Speedmaster SBF Are They Really That Bad

[@buick4622]

Good to hear you are feeling better

[@nathanhartline9446]

I am glad to hear your heart is beating back to normal Eric! Thank you for all your effort to produce this kind of candid content on porting with data and testing to support it. This kind of information is not easy to come by and like gold for the amateur/hobbyist head porters. Keep up the great work but take care of yourself first. Thanks Eric!

[@Turbo4Joe363]

Glad to hear that you're OK and no longer 'burning the candle at both ends'. I don't get these Speedmaster heads... You save some money on them, then spend a LOT of money to get them ported so that they will flow decent numbers. Why not just buy a set of AFR 195 Renegades? Great head, great flow, great quality....no need for porting. How much $$$ did your customer have in those Speedmaster heads once you ported and corrected them? And he still has substandard aluminum and crappy seats!

[@jerrellkull5347]

Glad you are doing better. Thanks for the review. Take care.

[@Mustang_Chris]

I'm glad you're feeling better, and making changes to keep it that way.

[@geoffhibbert4719]

Great to hear ure feeling better 😀

[@scottshouseofh.o.racing]

Glad to hear you're feeling better!

[@patfleischman3096]

I looked at a set recently and I noticed the head gasket fire ring hung into one of the chambers. Maybe milling them would reduce the chamber diameter so a gasket would seal and the large bore head gaskets would get the fire ring out of the chamber. The other major issue was the intake ports are cast so tall that the top of the intake gasket, when lined up with the head gasket register tabs, that the gasket is over halfway in the top of the port resulting in very little area to seal, especially when combined with a injected 5.0 intake that has notches for the injectors on the flange.

[@markmccarty9793]

I have a set of those. I also have a professional ported 289 heads with 1.94 intake and 1.60 exhaust. We had a set of rpm heads ! The rpm heads were 1 tenths faster in the same car, cam-carb- intake combination! The 60' was actually quicker with the 289 heads! I'm building a 357ci Windsor. Think I'll use the ported 289 heads with the same springs on it! It going on a 94F150 Flareside. That low-end torque will come in handy!

[@yarrdayarrdayarrda]

There's a pair of Speedmaster 460 Ford heads in the shop right now, horrid chambers, gross ports, etc. They will not be used, customer can sell them to somebody else. We did a build with their 3V Cleveland heads last year because nothing else was available. Disappointing numbers on the dyno, thankfully it was a mild street build and the customer was happy. A pair of factory 4V iron heads would have made better numbers.

[@doomman700]

4v heads are some of the best heads made. They flow great cfm stock

[@ess2586]

Subbed! Fantastic content for the layperson!

[@frankkatsenis3812]

Thank god you listened to guy. Magnesium and calcium are good for not getting cramps too. I owned a repair business for many years I guarantee it took years off my life from stress six different ways. Good idea to quit working at 11 no matter what really should be earlier but I know you don’t want to work faster through the day either.

[@DSRE535]

I just dealt with a set of those recently but they were the 165cc runner versions they add all the extra material up in the short turn it’s a really weird port the other problem they have is the adjustable guide plates like to move around so you have to add washers underneath the rocker studs and you definitely need to weld them together Another issue I had was the Rockerarms Tips sinking into the tips of the valves so I don’t know what the valves are made up but it can’t be very good PS I’m glad you’re feeling better

[@TwoBlackMarks]

Does Lash Caps maybe cure the valve "softness"?

[@DSRE535]

@@TwoBlackMarks yeah for sure but I recommend getting better valves if you run these at a minimum

[@TwoBlackMarks]

@@DSRE535 Aha, it seems like a head you should get bare, and put in good stuff in them then maybe. My dad bought a set of Floteks, and I think they actually had different retainers in a couple of the valves, maybe it is fine, but you start to think about different scenarios in your head for why it is like that, and what kind of quality it is, when you see that..

[@sbf_fox2434]

The newest Speedmaster heads seem to use the AFR Enforcer / NKB / Blueprint casting.

[@mikeleschber33]

Pro completely pos.....They have people designing their products that have no clue what the parts are used for. Nothing they make is any good and will always fail. Glad you are feeling better Eric!

[@chrislangdell117]

Well you hit the nail on the head. No pun intended. For the best vitamins and exercise for the Heart. Magnesium and Zinc are about the best thing you can do for your heart. And swimming is low stress, low impact but also uses the most muscle groups of any single exercise. The only other thing your missing would be diet. A diet that doesn't suck is the key. The best meat in the world for the highest source of Omega 3 and 6 fatty acids is actually Rabbit meat according to months health magazine. It has actually zero fat. If all you ever ate was Rabbit meat you would actually starve to death. Also grass fed beef gives you better benefits across the board. It tastes a little different but if you don't like the taste. Soak your stakes for 24 hours in milk or butter milk for 24 hours before cooking. Since this is a heart healthy diet better skip the butter milk. Do a little research and you will find that any meat that is pasture raised and grass fed has a ton of health benefits. Thats why the old timers of your grandparents Era could smoke and drink and live to 103. Back to the heads. Great info. After seeing the valve seats I dont think I would risk buying them if the seats are just going to fall out. Great info.

[@havebenthere]

Had Pro comp and Speedmaster crap in shop before. It's ALL JUNK. Wouldn't waste my money on them! All the hardware is good for the trashcan. Guides always wear out fast. Had a fellow come in with a set that needed redone, cost him almost more money than he could buy another set for. Polish a turd still have a turd when you're done. I don't work on them anymore, customer can take them elsewhere.

[@xlr8r3VA]

Hey, Eric, glad you’re better! You forgot to mention that those Ford heads are 20 deg heads too and they flow worse than SBC 23 deg heads. I think they may even flow worse than stock Vortec heads! Thanks for all the updates! Can’t wait to see your truck fly!

[@StainlessTIG2]

What burrs did you use on these cylinder heads for cutting. I’m getting ready to work on a set of these SBF Speedmaster heads. I’m going to redo the valve job very last, but I’m just curious of what type of burrs that you used. What grit of sanding roll that you started and finished with. Would it be easier if I emailed you instead of you responding on KZbin? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.

[@2010HarleyDynaFXD]

I wonder if just using the stock 1979 sbf 351 Windsor would just be better on a 410 stroker? I'm never going to run the motor over 4500 RPM it's just a truck motor. Should I just invest in a roller cam or do a flat tappet cam and set of AFR Enforcer or Blue Print Engines aluminum cylinder heads?

[@callofgeorge]

well that's crazy. i also get afib episodes occasionally. got to about 180bpm while sitting at work one day was how i first discovered it.. crazy/scary stuff. glad swimming fixed it for you. I'll have to try that. thanks for the video. i've always been curious of those cheap speedmaster heads and more so the blocks due to how hard it is to find and how expensive aftermarket sbf blocks are. would love to see someone do a review on one of those blocks. I've seen a number of people swear that the heads aren't that bad if you get them bare and build them with good parts. so this really proved that wrong. i'll stick with my trick flows :)

[@ericfitzpatrick5319]

I thought I was the only one with a A-fib thing.

[@robertseaman3362]

Not really surprised with the results. But then again I am partial to the Cleveland. Them things are just super flowing even stock

[@bdugle1]

As bad as that head looked, it flowed better than I expected on the intake side. I guess because it’s a 190cc port. That exhaust is just miserable, though. I’ll be looking forward to the ported results down the road. Could you also tell us what the rest of the engine consists of, and maybe a few of the parameters you consider when porting? I’m thinking usage, rpm range, etc, but cubic inches has to be a big part of it, too. I’m not going to build a Ford but it’s interesting to know regardless. Really glad to hear you’re feeling better! Sounds like a bit more sleep is a good prescription, too!

[@draileduncommon]

I always see out of the box reviews at least this is on the flow bench, but question is how much an affect does the exhaust have in relationship to the east of the setup.. I loved roadkill because they played around with different setups on the dyno and found sometimes more results less. I dont think the exhaust numbers are going to affect anything under 600 hp

[@JohnThomas-vb9se]

I bought a set of Skip White NKB’s and they look much better IMO. 1000 dollars to my door. With PBM valves and Comp springs, retainers, and locks. Curious if you’ve ever dealt with those?

[@indyrock8148]

He did but under another retailer name, assault I think. He got over 300 CFM for his sister's engine.

[@JohnThomas-vb9se]

@@indyrock8148 Wasn’t his sisters engine a SBC? Mine are NKB’s for SBF.

[@indyrock8148]

@@JohnThomas-vb9se sorry yes it was. I didn't know NKB's came in SBF now as well.

[@richardgutteridge2127]

Pro comp have a very bad reputation in Australia for all of their products everyone should stay away from their stuff. Glad to hear you are better.

[@montinaladine3264]

Yep! And I also wouldn't touch their electronic distributors.

[@charliedom9360]

I just reasently bought a set of speedmaster heads, they were 2022 built, and I was concerned when i watched this vid after i bought them, but i just got them and check them and it seams speedmaster is actually improving in their casting and seats, i check all the seats and didnt find any gaps or crees, and I checked the ports and they fixed the problem of using to much material and shrinking the port size, over all, all the things that i was concerned with have been fix by speedmaster (as i said, my heads say they were made in 2022 so maybe they just recently fix the problems so maybe older head may still have this things)

[@Jay-zk7xk]

How did everything go after installing them?

[@bradleywise835]

Sometimes cold water can shock you in or out of afib, that's been my experience,foods can do it to man, you can also try a vasal vagal maneuver, ive had 4 ablations and 2 heart surguries and am finally doing alright with diet and exercise, god bless man

[@oscarwalton1188]

I'd value your opinion on heads for the LA / magium from trick flow

[@joshreese1721]

Hope your doing better still, looking forward to the ported review on these

[@thomasleclair7418]

thank you............for the explanation............out of box needs massive change....for big power...........

[@jdtv...9134]

4.0 explorer seats are like that. Alot of blending had to be done. 2nd option would have been adding epoxy to reduce the turbulence from The ridge of the seat. I'm not on your level but if there's power to be found I'll find it. I love your content thank you

[@ericfitzpatrick5319]

Congrats on the workout brother!!!

[@nothanks81]

I've heard rumors of speed master selling the china dart clone sbf heads everyone and the brother has been private labeling the past few years. Aka the Yongyu head, the casting afr uses for the enforcers, its also the same casting as the pro header head you talked about along with a ton of others. This videos shows the same old casting pro comp \ speedmaster has had for years, still a head I would avoid lol.. Really liking the hands on videos showing some of the true budget heads though.

[@TwoBlackMarks]

Potassium is good for the heart, also for fluid regulation which then again helps the heart more, fluid retention in legs is often an sign of poor heart function or circulation issues. I now get some fluid retention in the feet/calfes after a day of standing, for me working out calfs helps, citrulline really helps me for bloodflow and helps reduce fluid retention, and slow down on caffeine if possible in regards to the hearth health and bloodflow. I was gonna write an paragraph here, but I am not an doctor, and the doctor probably disagree with me anyway..

[@indyrock8148]

My opinion with procomp heads. If you already have them or get them nearly free and they are not junk, you don't mind blending valve job, don't run their hardware and it's a relatively mild deal/non race. Then they're fine. If your SR then forget it. If your buying valves? Get 2.08 and blend throat to fix the ridge. Applies to SBC heads as well.

[@robertwest3093]

What do you think about the Blueprint Engines cylinder heads? The company thinks the world of them. Some of them out price AFR, and they are one of the newest heads available! I would have thought that they would introduce them at an attractive price, then go up once they have proven themselves. They are pricing them so they stay on the shelf.

[@WeingartnerRacing]

I have only seen some and they were good.

[@hotrod7938]

Wow I have a set of as cast on my wife's 65 mustang. I may buy a set of head gaskets to work those. Granted they are a ton better than old iron 289 heads.

[@rle1020]

Hey Eric have done any Oldsmobile heads. If so what kind of heads and what was your results? My buddy has a set of old school Batten aluminum heads he looking to get ported maybe it’s something you be interested in doing.

[@danielbeiersr3642]

Glad you're feeling better and learning to get adequate rest, keep up the good work

[@troymecey]

Glad to hear you are feeling better. Can't wait for the results of the ported heads and I'm not even a Ford guy, lol

[@shoominati23]

Did the springs you got seem like stock springs? because a buddy bought a set of BBC heads that were supposed to be good for 620 lift or whatever, and they lookeed very much like stock springs and they didnt send the right manifold, theyh sent the rectangle port instead of oval port

[@deesunshine9507]

Glad it cleared up! have a great day. Unless you've made other plans.

[@yodawunn6700]

You even sound more relaxed. Take care of yourself. Glad your doing better.

[@annwilliams2128]

Was wondering I picked up a set of eBay 220 cc ,64cc straight plug, 2.02 ,1.60 sbc alum heads. What length valves should I use ? Planning on roller rockers and locks . Have you ever built a set of these ? Your recommendations would be helpful thanks . Keith

[@robertseaman3362]

Hydraulic roller needs a . 100" longer than stock valve stem. Mechanical roller needs . 200" to get your geometry correct on them

[@302hobronco]

These look pretty close to the sbf blueprint as cast heads. Same with the flow numbers. By curious how well you clean these up

[@arnaldosac6671]

Eric, greetings, I have some similar to those mounted on an SBF 393 CI, they were only cleaned if we do a good porting according to your experience, how much more could they improve? if they will be a Diamond in the Rough?

[@psychoholicslag4801]

Those Ford heads are actually of poorer quality than the 3V Pro Comp Cleveland heads. The seats are about the same. Too thin. Good video, I run Fords myself so I was a little surprised to see the windsor heads.

[@bryanmaloney6651]

The 3v Pro Comp Cleveland heads I am straightening out for a customer are junk. Soft alloy, terrible valve job, poor port shape, cheap guides, and some of the intake valves needed replacing due to poor machining.

[@psychoholicslag4801]

@@bryanmaloney6651 yep. Replaced all the guides in new heads. The ports are OK but can be improved a lot. Biggest flow problem is the chambers are to deep. The seats should be higher. Still better than any factory ported windsor.

[@young11984]

My mom is 74yrs old and dealing with Afib now, her dr says likely from the jab he also recommended....getting another dr tomorrow. Take care of yourself hoss, nobody else can teach us what you have in your head and if its not done by 9pm it doesn’t need to be done that day anyway.

[@ZZTOPGUY1]

What do you think about flotek 205cc Ford heads? Are they the same casting as proform and speedmaster?

[@tonysayles2891]

the update on the s10 was good ta here ,,, not ta mention real glad ta here you are feeling better thats great news for sure !!!

[@Joebauers2505]

For the price and to be used as a stock replacement aluminum version theyre perfectly fine. If you want big power gains you wont get it from the $600-900 pair of heads.

[@andretorben9995]

Some personal experience on Speedmaster Mopar heads but i believe they all suffer the same issues. The valve guides are extremely soft and don't last long. I've found the guides can also be too loose on the valve. I use Ferrea valves so I know the valve is good, the guide bore is big. Where Eric shows the step behind the seat insert usually also has a lack of material in general so there's not only a step but also a "hollow" in the port shape meaning you cannot grind away this problem. The valve seat diameter throat are generally too big with most intakes measuring up around 94% which again leaves no room for porting unless you go a bigger valve. They really are rubbish.

[@alexvelez2141]

This may sound like a stupid question but can you do a review on a Buick 430 head? I'm thinking about getting into the Buicks. Just want to be different

[@WeingartnerRacing]

Can’t do it I don’t have the plate to flow a Buick head.

[@alexvelez2141]

@@WeingartnerRacing no worries

[@peteJoseph-x3h]

Damn! That AFR commercial was great…

[@20alphabet]

Very educational.

[@TwoBlackMarks]

I am thinking about buying Speedmaster Oldsmobile heads, since there is no other options, more or less. I am somewhat skeptical, this review is not too reassuring either, but they seem decent. And they certainly are affordable, so the price is nice, but potentially a loose seat is not what I would want to happen, it sounds like Speedmaster may have tried to fix those issues though. It is too bad there is not any new available Oldsmobile heads with smaller nice chambers. I guess there is too few buyers available. I have read that Edelbrock was gonne produce a newer type of head, but the way the world and everyplace is out of stock of everything now, I do not have high hopes..

[@andretorben2813]

If you really need to buy their heads buy the bare ones and fit them up with quality valves,springs & hardware. Have your head shop check the guides for fit and hardness and of course get all the seats reworked.

[@moparnut6286]

Glad that your heart is better....get more sleep!!! And zinc is very good for you!

[@speedprofessor5397]

I teach sleep diagnostics, and I have never met an A-fib patient who didn't have at least a mild case of obstructive sleep apnea, or other sleep disorder. Sometimes they only have trouble sleeping on their backs or during REM sleep. If you have A-fib, you most likely should have had a sleep study years ago.

[@WeingartnerRacing]

I had one 6 months ago after the first episode and I passed. No sleep apnea.

[@speedprofessor5397]

@@WeingartnerRacing Unless you had lost a few pounds before that study, that would be unusual. In my experience, most patients get A-fib because they had an untreated sleep disorder. The latest research confirms the strong correlation between the two. A-fib has a higher correlation with sleep apnea than a thick neck.

[@montinaladine3264]

This is very inetresting to see... especially the low quality alloy/aluminum they use, although being a Mopar man, they would be the same deal I'm sure. But I'm wondering, if you went to the trouble to back cut a couple of valves and do the flow, why didn't you make the extra effort and CC a couple of chambers? At least 4 chambers, say 2 on each head), then that would give a general idea and be a more complete synopsis overall of the claimed data from the factory. Just saying, "I'm not going to bother CCing the chambers" is a bit strange considering this is a video about their manufacturing quality.

[@johnnolte952]

Are they any better than stock e7 heads though? Do they make any power over stock??? I gotta surf this guys channel

[@WeingartnerRacing]

Yes e7 suck

[@TonysHotRodGarage]

That's great news about your heart! Unfortunately I got talked into going down the speedmaster road on my big block Mopar. I ended up sinking almost three grand into those fucking heads before I made anything decent out of them. Never again!

[@BBCharger5spd]

So what's you're saying is these heads are questionable in quality and are essentially on par with a factory head as far as flow? I mean let's be honest - many people will buy this head because it would be A) aluminum B) possibly cheaper than having factory iron heads redone.... if they were searching for peak performance they would probably go with a more reputable and $$$ aftermarket head. I know these heads are not stellar but would you say they are a respectable head for the cost. ie... You find some 302 shortblock and need some heads... its between factory iron heads or these... which do you spend your $$$ on? Do these have more potential over a stock iron head?

[@Haulass95gt]

These flow a lot better than stock heads, slightly better than stock "GT40" heads. I picked up a pair and they looked better than the ones he has, but I'm definitely going to clean up the ports and work on that exhaust transition a fair amount, otherwise, just looking to make a peppy 302 for as budget as possible as see what they do.

[@redchris97]

Glad you are feeling better Eric.

[@timothyesmond7358]

It's almost like taller seats need to be put in them and then they need to have a valve job done

[@datsdylan007]

I’m running these in my 302 you get what you pay for picked up a set for $400 but might swap with some better ones on the next build

[@johnkufeldt3564]

Are you still swimming? How is your son doing with his swimming? BTW, going through your content again (slowly, a few vids a day, 2-8 or so), I'm not Superman either. Cheers from Canada.

[@robertkeime4907]

Great video. Glad you are feeling better

[@1WILDsMoPARtech]

Speed master/pro comp is well known for false advertisement and poor finish work...and their 2 angle valve jobs are legendary. I wish they would leave the bowls smaller than the seat rings and add ssr material near the head bolt bulge.

[@CherezianRacing]

Eric do you ever use a sonic tester when porting?

[@WeingartnerRacing]

I have one they just don’t work well on tight rounded surfaces.

[@jonathoncouchey7151]

When you get precompiled heads. You should assume you are going to at least need to blend in the valve job. If not get a new one.

[@BuzzLOLOL]

Lots of videos saying never use heads right out of the box no matter what brand...

[@vrm86gt]

glad your health has improved!

[@rossgirdeen3247]

Are they worth 700 dollars. Any iron sets worth getting

[@paullutherborrow637]

Be good to see a hardness test done on the aluminium! Also the seats cause I. Heard of many seats falling out

[@BuzzLOLOL]

Chrysler new Hemi valve seats also start falling out after 125K miles... see the videos...

[@doctorwhodj]

So chevy sbc is a better exhaust port

[@brianholcomb6499]

Glad to see your out & around! I'm really glad you got that BS taken care of! I don't know if you know how bad STRESS kills people! I have some fairly smart friends up here that work @ Yale New Haven medical, Its way worse than you think! Thats the main reason I said to get a CNC first, so you could do all the other stuff, while your heads are being cut! Thank you so much for speaking about the quality of material! People seem to think, cast aluminum or cast iron is all the same stuff! I could tell you for sure its not! You see it all the time when your machining a factory piece, compared to a good aftermarket piece! Alot of factory aluminum is really cheap, lite duty, material that is similar to what most American aftermarket companies use to make intake manifolds! Some parts from over seas are made from recycled soda can material & the casting cores are packed with some ones FEET! Not with a big press! So you really cannot expect much from overseas junk! If the shit runs in a hot rod, there usually happy, because they most likely never had real HP! If they think they are going to pour a bunch of boost or nitrous thru those type of parts, they are mistaken! Because they don't hold shape as well, which causes all kinds of issues, gaskets blown, valves sticking, seats falling out, heads lifting & bending making them really easy to blowtorch! Besides anything that's moving, [structure wise] is just sucking up horsepower! My boss had a customer that brought in all good engine internals, to put into a factory aluminum block & heads, w A Kenny Bell blower. It did run good, so we thought! It made around 940TQ & Almost 1100HP! After the first season, he brought it back, because he knew the stock resleeved block was on borrowed time! We replaced factory parts w A Dart block & heads combo, we took all the internals & put them in the Dart block & heads! We dynoed it again, same everything, timing, pulley ratio, cam, cam timing, compression, Blablabla! It made almost 60ftlbs more TQ & 100 Hp more! Everything was the same! Boost dropped from 14.5psi to 12psi, & of course it needed more fuel! If that doesn't show the difference in parts, I don't know what would! Sorry for the book Bud, I just like to share hard learned lessons, with people I would like to see succeed! Who the hell beat the dick out of your yoke? Finally, If you have cable, Venom, Carnage is on Starz channel! Either on demand, or Saturday Am Or Pm! I know you love that movie, probably saw it already! 😂😂😂😂

[@cgarris8674]

@Eric Weingartner - Did you ever finish polishing these turds? Did $1200 worth of porting (plus the initial purchase price) get these to flow as well as a $999 out of the box Edelbrock head? LOL 🤣

[@jessewait2931]

Everyone of the seats on my 862 5.3 heads were that way...

[@timothyarnott3584]

Hey Eric, Tim here, SO Glad ur heart fixed itself!!!.....WATCH that shit yo!!.....we want u around for a long time!!......i dunno about the magnesium thing from walmart, but i know it didnt/cudnt hurt!!....nice to hear positive news...... On another note, i look fwd to flow results of those SBF heads after u port them......they didnt do all that well, but u pointed out what wud most likely hurt them.......i am VERY intrested to see....ok, take care, GLAD ur back up to snuff!!

[@christanhartley434]

Don’t eat a lot of red meat or bread, stick to fish it honestly made a world of different for my heart Rhythm problems.

[@GregHuston]

With Olds there was only 2 choices out of stock Edelbrock or ProComp clones of an old Edelbrock head. If I were building a SBF I'd just pay up for Trickflow. When there's choices out there I don't know why people go with this low end junk.

[@neilhansen9886]

Great report

[@brentonk461]

Way more Expensive American Made Dart, and World Products heads are No better when it comes to as cast heads and them doing their valve seats.

[@bryanmaloney6651]

Have you actually worked on the "Pro Comp" heads? The Cleveland 3V knock-offs I have here are not worth their cheap price.

[@walasiewicz]

EXACTLY RIGHT!!! That's what I'm saying. I hate watching people badmouth a company that is making it super affordable for low budget guys to build themselves an engine. You break out a bur bit and watch a couple KZbin videos on how to clean them up right and you got yourself a killer set of heads

[@walasiewicz]

You're such an authority on head porting! You pointed out everything that dart heads would have wrong unless you pay them $1000 for CNC work. I don't think i like your negative attitude Mr man!!!

[@forcedinduction5245]

Well let's not forget that regardless of how much work this seat needs it's probably not going to stay in the head. You want to bust his balls for his negative observations and then compare include all of it , not just what you want to hear or see. I'm thinking about a set. So I turned on the video from a 100% neutral mind set..I don't know if it would be a good savings for good set of heads or not. Think about what the other person said about bad mouthing a company who is offering a cheap deal. Yeah ok so he has it all done and third time out for a drive and oppps,!! The intake seat falls out !! Yeah and at say 5200rpm. Now where is all the back yard guys money? I'll tell ya in the oil pan alone with most of 3 pistons and a couple heads of valves You ever look at how many guys put just a little too much spring psi on those china valves and pop the head off. Yeah and every one I talk to says there is only 1 company that actually sells an assembled head that can actually be bolted on right out of the box. It's not Dart not Canfield not Brodix not TFS all those companies use the China crap that fails all the time. What about that ? You want to go to bat for a cheap set of heads where the same people put shit for parts in the head knowing they will more than likely fail. So what about the guy who says what are you talking about they are fully assembled and brand new? I'm not taking them to a machine shop to be "fixed" That guys has his Brand new heads on his Life long dream car and is ready the heads are brand new remember? Yeah lol!! Of comes the head.of an intake valve. And I need not say anymore.. So if your goin to complain because the are getting a bad rap then maybe they should quit screwing people. Let me ask you this the average car guy is very very unaware of what's really going on. Right and he hears all the bad stories. So he plops down $800 buck of his cash for a Brand New set of heads . Now you try to convince that person to take them in when the come in to a good machine shop to be COMPLETELY REWORKED AMD SPEND ANOTHER $800 good luck on that one. So I ask you a simple question knowing what we know and you still think they are trying to help? Buddy my own son couldn't be convinced to do a vavle job on a set of Skip White heads you know the youngsters so live and learn my son. He drove the car for awhile found out he was way down on power hmm? Do tell jr. I'm all ears well let's just say he had problems with those new heads right out of the box. And get this he still doesn't think they are all like that. So in.time I hope. But for now I would be more concerned about letting all the info out so we all can make wise choices. Keep in mind this guy is only a messenger he didn't make these heads. Be glad someone has the balls to tells us straight up info. Rather than take a kick (as in a few sets of heads) to promote lies and say good things about shit. That's my .02. let's the chips fall where they fall and you make your own decisions.. and on that note...peace out bitches!!

[@forcedinduction5245]

And yes my machinist told me he has checked many sets of AFR heads and each and everyone of them were bolt on right out of the box. And as we all know there is super crap from China and there is just cheap crap from China The stuff AFR is using is pretty good. It's not Manley or Ferrara but it does stay together. I trust my machist.and that's why I said it . He's got no dog in this fight just info. Take it for what it is worth.

[@edspencer7121]

It didn't take much convincing that these were what I thought they were.

[@jerrygregory5959]

We spent a lot of time porting a set of Procomp / Speedmaster and put better valves and springs. 1st pass at drag strip a valve seat fell out and put a hole in the cylinder of the block.

[@brianrose2487]

Sorry to hear about your health I have the same problems was on three medications. I had no problems before the vaccine, it is medically proven just goggle. Take care

[@WeingartnerRacing]

I am really starting to believe the vaccine caused this.

[@mikes9939]

I don't understand why people buy these poor heads with so many problems and then will end up paying a great amount of money trying to make them better. Would it not make more sense to start with a good casting, something you won't have to worry about the seats falling out of, and then do a porting job. Seems like you might end up better. The higher quality heads are made with better aluminum and therefore will probably be more durable in the long run. I also know that a seat falling out is a great way to ruin your day and fixing the damage will convince you to buy a better head next time.

[@Hjfvvdst]

That thing has air curtians everywhere.

[@andretorben2813]

After several personal experiences I have found that anything Speedmaster/Procomp sells is rubbish. I've had terrible quality of core shift in manifolds, valve covers that didnt seal and had to be welded heads where valve seats work loose. Anyone looking to buy performance parts do yourself a favour and spend a little extra to buy something decent to save yourself a lot of headache later on.

[@montinaladine3264]

And don't forget they also make electronic distributors, a large range to suit different makes for cheap. They have their fingers in lots of pies. I woudln't touch them either. You get what you pay for. Everything is made to a price.

[@wilsonjohn9766]

I don’t know how these kind of people stay in business over here. I would just save and spend more money on good American made heads and be done with it. I’m just not a cheap person when it comes to anything I really want. Dart or Brodix thank you.

[@timrayburn2461]

You sound like you feel better

[@raymondbattle4394]

Glad you are doing better, am having problems with my heart also,in the doctors office watching the sbf video, question for you,did ur heart start giving you trouble when the pandemic began thanks Ray

[@mr.know_it_all]

You think this seat/port match is bad, you should see the patriot performance.

[@leftyo9589]

perfect head for the average American consumer. CHEAP! you get what you pay for in most cases, and the average consumer is a cheap azz.

[@wizzkidelectronics]

We are getting older sleep is super important

[@terrywillis5784]

Sleep is very important.

[@frankieford7668]

Ive had the same problem with the Pro comp Stuff....big Pieces of Seat Popping off the intake Side....Cheap material....👎👎👎

[@AmericanThunder]

Be careful what you say, they will take away lollipop breaks for the 10 year olds slaving away in the chinese factories, making these heads.

[@clevo351]

Just shit from Speedmaster/Procomp!💩 Is there anything they make decent?

[@cgarris8674]

I bought a set of valve covers from them and they were so out of square I had to order 3/8" valve cover gaskets to get them to stop leaking. when you combine the price of the expensive gaskets with the cheap valve covers, I could have bought a nice set to begin with...

[@jesusgutierrez145]

Short answer... no! Their cams suck too. Had a cam with 4 lobes ground retarded from the rest.

[@young11984]

Its bad what i saw for NA and i can only see it getting worse, much worse with boost as far as durability of the materials.

[@neilhansen9886]

Do take care with your health👍

[@jimjoe9945]

The best stress relief.. John 3:16. He's real.