Spice: The Synthetic Drug Destroying Lives (REDO)

[@IntotheShadows]

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[@firdatgame]

What is the reason for the redo? I'm guessing problems with KZbin monetization?

[@Volvith]

Why all the redo's lately? Genuinely curious.

[@soundspark]

Suggesting it for drug purchasing/dealing activities? Bots upvoting this ad?

[@soundspark]

@@firdatgame Perhaps to add these dodgy and questionably legal VPN service ads?

[@ProffyChaos]

I wanted to know too. If it is due to monetisation with KZbin that is interesting to know.

[@GoldNargacuga]

I lost a good childhood friend to spice. It was the most random and heartbreak thing I've ever witnessed. One moment we were talking and chilling the next. He coughed up a huge amount of blood and died. Me and some other friends were told by his mother and paramedics that he had died before he hit the ground. That was the day I put spice, k2, away and never looked back. R.I.P Michael, I miss you brother.

[@iraniansuperhacker4382]

fuck man I know Im just some random idiot on the internet so it dont really mean much but I know that is something that you will never forget and has a huge negative effect on you for the rest of your life. I have had friends die but never in front of me like that, I cant even imagine how hard that must of been to deal with.

[@Jay-jb2vr]

Last time I did Spice/K2 was 2010-2012. After that, it wasnt working for me anymore.

[@crichey56]

Damn bruv. That's deep, I hope your good man. I tried spice maybe twice in my life and both times horrified me enough. Doesn't mean the others were any better😢😢

[@GoldNargacuga]

Thank y'all so much for the kind words. Crazy thing is, we were all smoking the same thing at the time. I'm very surprised we all, there were 4 of us, didn't have the same fate.

[@alexdeibert3124]

Not on you man. You did exactly what your friend would have wanted you to do. Quit that shit and never look back. I've lost a lot of friends in my life, in front of me and far away. Each one has had a profound effect on me. All you can do is honor them by doing your best to do better. I'm truly sorry for your loss.

[@lpfanatic2003]

I was a firefighter/paramedic from 2011 to 2014 and responding to "possible spice" calls made us more nervous than responding to a shooting/stabbing or structure fire. You had no idea of what you were going to. Some times it's someone passed out in a phone booth standing up and other times it could be someone who's hallucinating so bad they're fighting things that aren't there in reality.

[@Stahlvanten]

What I understand; we could see Spice having a "generation shift"; First gen was kinda cannabis-like effect-wise but weird; like how sick you got when stopped smoking after a long time everyday consumtion (2008-2009) Second gen is when it starting to get really bad and weird. People starting to get "broken" quickly by their usage (2010 until todays date).

[@spidergoose891]

The crazies are probably bath salts. Spice just turns a person to mush incapable of anything.

[@cr02i45]

Sounds like a movie😂😂😂 why do people do so strong drugs Damn some a real joint if you didn't got high then smoke another one😂 What's the need of synthetic drugs

[@D.Ryback]

First of all, god bless and thank you for your time serving people. Then, about this... Im starting to study psicology, and from what here our host says and from what I know about this case, this fiasco was a result of the modern day "the end justifies the means", with the catch that the end is an illegal action where the means and/or resources are legal. Now that is, in itself, warped. Imagine if this happens in the same fashion as the homemade gunpowder for firecrackers. The only thing this man has to save him from hell is that, in first impression, he wanted a "legal" way to investigate recent advancements in science without resorting to illegal substance transactions. That's why the major question for science in not only the means, but ultimately the end. What could mean releasing this in the open World? This man did not think enough.

[@eyezikandexploits]

Did spice when i was in 4th grade, it was not fun at all

[@vinsanity982]

My friend was smoking it on probation a long long long time ago. I asked him if I could try some and he straight up said no. Considering how much trouble we used to get into together, the fact that he said no on this one was a pretty loud and clear message not to mess with it. And I never did Edit for all the cynics out there: At the time, you could buy the stuff at the gas station for a few dollars. It wasn't like trying to get a hold of pure MDMA or something expensive and rare.

[@strikervido]

He's a true friend.. a bad influence would have sucked you too into it.

[@208flatheads3]

I smoked it for a year or so because of job and after a year of it i started shitting blood and quit

[@cadenibz]

​@@208flatheads3 the issue with spice was that each batch had a wild range of different lab made cannabanoids differing in potency. if you started shitting blood though i imagine it had more than just the synthetic cannabanoids in it 😅

[@norml.hugh-mann]

It should say "not for rectal use" on the packaging...😂😂😂😂

[@9169enjoi]

GREAT fucking friend bro, seriously! Keep that man close, he won't ever do ya wrong! I smoke spice, all my friends smoke weed, so when im smokin they'll ask to hit it sometimes forgetting I smoke both spice and weed so if im smokin spice I straight up tell them no, and they know why and don't question it lol its TERRIBLE for some people, but doesn't even get others high. VERY random, hard to tell what side effects your going to get until you get them.

[@2pink1stink]

The addiction of spice is very unique. As someone who's been smoking regular pot off and on for the past 25 years or so, i remember when this first hit the smoke shops. Myself and many smokers didn't like it. It was powerful but uncomfortable, and the half-life was very short. It being addictive was thought to be a joke, until one of my friends became oddly addicted to it, and lost everything to it. Another friend got bad paranoid schizophrenia, and thought Lindsey Lohan was stalking him, and would stand on his air conditioner (a second floor window unit) and watch him for days. The addictive aspect of it seems extremely unique to specific people. People don't typically make the jump from pot, to high power synthetics the same way an opiate pain killer addict might switch to heroine or fentanyl. Another point to make, it's interesting this drug exists souly because of Marijuana prohibition. If refer madness hadn't taken over the country to protect the timber, tobacco, and alcohol business, none if this would even exist.

[@thelemon5069]

Had a friend jump from spice straight to meth. Crazy shit

[@into_the_void]

I tried synthetic weed just twice back in the the day out of curiosity.. its a strangely disassociative trip and made me nod off.. never touched that shit again

[@YZXRYDR]

I wish I could hit the like a million times on this comment.

[@alexdeibert3124]

Don't forget cotton, hemp stood to wipe out all of that old cotton family money. So they jumped on the wagon too.

[@zacharythornton1904]

@@into_the_voidhaha yeah me & my buddy’s would look for that stuff that would make you nod out for some reason like on opiates or something

[@balthazargelos7157]

I was homeless when I cam across spice. Everyone around me was doing it. I thought it was akin to weed and didn't think it'd be a big problem. I'd been homeless for many years at that point but had been savvy enough to avoid things like meth and heroin. Whilst I had been in a difficult circumstance, I was always proud to state that I'd never let it make me a bad person. But after 8 months of smoking spice, I was well and truly addicted and stole from a close friend in order to fund my habit. It changed me from someone who would never do such a thing, to someone who would betray a friend. Luckily this moment made me realise something was deeply wrong and was a catalyst for me changing my life around. But back in 2014 when this happened, I simply just had no idea how bad it was and what I was getting myself into. It was insidious how it marketed itself as a legal alternative to weed. It made me sick, addicted, dependant, desperate and selfish and in the early days before tolerance gave me frequent bouts of complete psychosis. I feel for everyone who experienced this blight.

[@Real-Ruby-Red]

I was homeless for 2 weeks, I can not fucking imagine years of it. Holy fuck.

[@leenevin8451]

How does the effect feel whilst being addicted?

[@VictoriousGardenosaurus]

The effect is a stupor followed by pangs of stomach pain and disorientation. Super short in duration. Withdrawals hit quickly, and harshly. Can't sleep without it.

[@hannahp1108]

I'm glad you're free from that hell now

[@balthazargelos7157]

@@leenevin8451 I have heard the range of symptoms can vary depending on which batch or version of it was being smoked, for me though very similar to how @caulkandsealalljoints mentioned it. Stupor, just hours and hours of being high and doing nothing at all. Sometimes catatonic, I didn't get any stomach pain, but I got a really nasty cough and would cough up obscene amounts of phlegm. Would need to smoke it hourly to remain comfortable and withdrawals made it very difficult to sleep and would become extremely restless without it accompanied with a pretty intense craving for it. I new folks on the street that were using it to get off heroin as it would make their withdrawal from that easier.

[@Sierra_My_Delta_YT]

I used to smoke spice in the barracks, when I wasn’t allowed to smoke real weed. The smoke shops outside of base used to sell it, and I would regularly smoke blunts of spice, sometimes mixed with salvia. It was crazy how strong the high could be, and I only stopped smoking it after I was able to smoke actual weed again. The last time I smoked spice was over a decade ago; I had such an intense panic attack and felt like I was dying and dissociating at the same time. Stick to the earth.

[@anxiety.n6482]

Bro said k2 and salvia, gremlin for real

[@antarcticmoongiant2691]

​@@anxiety.n6482crawling the ceilings.

[@FormerGovernmentHuman]

Spice was huge in the Bs. Everybody was hitting up the gas stations and smoke shops outside of Ft Lewis on friday.

[@NickWixx]

I heard a very wild story about salvia causing massive hallucinations stronger than acid and shrooms.

[@NickWixx]

Acid is awesome.

[@The-Autisto-crat]

I tried some once, and everything instantly turned into static electricity. All i saw, heard, and felt was television static while I experienced amplified versions of every negative thought in my entire psychosphere. Past regrets, future anxieties, personal insecurities, childhood trauma, rage, bitterness, all occupying my conscious brain at once. It was the closest thing to hell I can describe. I tackled my (at the time, new) friend to the ground and put my hand over her mouth because i was afraid of someone hearing us and finding me all strung out like that. I turned off the music and made us sit there in silence because i didn't want to associate anything with that moment. That was the only time I've ever lost control. It felt like becoming possessed.

[@shawnsheffield4766]

I literally had the same exact experience the one and only time I tried it. Down to it being the only time I've ever lost control. Everything was TV static too. It made me understand why some people end themselves during a bad trip just to make it stop.

[@The-Autisto-crat]

@@shawnsheffield4766 oh yeah, I definitely remember searching for a reason to cling onto life in that moment. I've heard a lot of weird unrelated stories talking about electrical sensations being tied to both these types of experiences, and kooky-sounding people talking about demonic possession, and I can't help but think it's more than just brain chemistry at play. If something outside of my body had been gunning for my subconscious and waiting for an entrance to wreak a little havoc in my psyche, I can imagine not much about the experience would have been different. I try not to sound crazy or commit too hard to a conclusion, but reality is definitely stranger than fiction. Glad we had the sense to only do it once though!

[@tyraecialjohn7561]

Your were dehydrated. I figured out if you drink tons of water you don't slump or go into a painful spiral. I had a very similar Experience of a few occasions.

[@youssefahmed-kx9yu]

the tv static be scary af

[@k2to3452]

That sounds simple awful.

[@OriginCorey]

I knew a guy who would slump over, asleep sitting on his bed in the corner of the room, bong in hand, when you would wake him up , he would phase into coherence, realize the bong was in his hand, hit it again, and pass back out. He would do this for days on end.

[@YvonneJanuhowski]

That's freaky & tragic....❤Y

[@wailingalen]

That's how my fentanyl addiction was like😢😢😢😢 Praise be to God that I have been delivered from this most insidious chemical. It's like the crack of opioids

[@doork01]

Ngl that level of dissociation would be heaven to me right now. Sleep is better than dealing with reality

[@LuxTheFolf]

​@doork01 I would recommend getting therapy, its cheaper over all, and will be better for you health 😅

[@apollo7307]

True that, gotta keep fighting tho M watching these videos to not do spice since i am having urges ​@@doork01

[@TheAlmightyDoge]

My brother got addicted to spice in high school. One night, in the middle of winter, he went outside to smoke spice in the middle of the night and passed out. The temperature outside was below freezing and he wasn’t exactly bundled up. If my dad hadn’t sensed a disturbance in the force and decided to have a look around the house my brother would have frozen to death in the backyard that night. Fortunately that night scared him straight and he never touched the stuff again. And yeah the withdrawal he went through was pretty bad.

[@AlexanderNixonArtHistory]

holy smokes! thanks for sharing. glad your bro's ok.

[@quillclock]

im glad your dad had a strong connection to his family. i can say that "disturbance in the force" got me in trouble many times as a kid and maybe saved my life many times as a teen

[@Mr.Helper.]

Is k2 same as ketamine ?

[@AlexanderNixonArtHistory]

no. ketamine is horse tranquilizer. K2 is a mountain@@Mr.Helper.

[@garden0fstone736]

Withdrawal? From what?

[@ayyjsanders9319]

The story about the dude who died came back and went right back to smok8ng I seen the exact same thing. Me and a guy were outside of a store when he fire up a blunt of toochi I normally smoked but did t want to at the time bcuz I was homeless and getting high increased hunger and with no food it was misery. Anyway, dude started smoking, and fell out. emt showed up and pronounced him dead. They were literally waiting for law enforcement and we’re getting the body bag ready, buddy sat straight up, looked around, jumped up, declined treatment , hopped on his bike, put his blunt back in his mouth, fired it up, and rode off. One of the craziest things I’ve witnessed

[@Klm49]

So it creates legit freakin' zombies?!?!?!?!?!

[@ayyjsanders9319]

@@Klm49 nah

[@brandonclifton2027]

One of the craziest things? What could be as crazy or crazier!?!?

[@ayyjsanders9319]

@@brandonclifton2027 and jus for the record, noticed quite a lot of odd and crazy occurrences during my life. Some crazier and some less crazy. Who tf asks, “what could be crazier”? Like literally anything anyone can imagine in their head to out crazy this story. I jus all around don’t get where ur mind was when asking that? It would seem, unless ur brain dead and legitimately was asking, that it was meant as smart ass remark. Which leads me to ask, why? Jus doesn’t make any sense if thought went into it ahead of time.

[@ayyjsanders9319]

Wdym nah

[@AntonHoward-mx9sb]

I've smoked Marijuana for 35 years. I smoked Spice once and I'd never go there again. Stick to the real thing.

[@Trizzle2Jernts]

Good ol' THC never hurt nobody!

[@marcel_kleist]

​@@Trizzle2Jerntsit actually triggered a psychosis for me, which was pretty bad. There where obviously other factors in my life at this time that weren't good for my mental health, but THC was the trigger for my psychosis. So there is that.

[@the_kombinator]

W...what happened?

[@itsmatt2105]

How many times have you tried to quit?

[@Trizzle2Jernts]

@@marcel_kleist THC isn't for everyone I'd agree 👍

[@JakezMad]

I once bought some "thc" vape liquid off a guy i knew fairly well. Had 1 10ml bottle of it. Worst memory was vaping in some woods near me, blacking out and waking up stood in the middle of a holly bush, covered in cuts, scratches, vomit and with a terrible headache. Its only in hindsight i realise i was vaping spice. The guy who sold me it died smoking spice a few months later. Scary that 16 year old me was so sure it was just strong thc vape juice

[@SCHMUNKERS]

Reminds me of when me and 2 of my other “friends” used to smoke tons together way back. One day they bought “weed” off some new dealer (it was spice lmao) and we all smoked like 3 bowls each of that sh, right when i finished my last bowl i laid back on the sofa and it hit me so hard i felt like i was on a bullet train, i looked at my friends and while they looked like they were having a good time and laughing at me obviously not having a good time they were extremely pale and their pupils were so dialated you wouldve thought they were on some pure MDMA. Right as a looked at them i immediately turned around and projectile vommited everywhere, they were laughing their asses off while i kept gagging and felt like i was about to die, my heart literally felt like it was getting weaker by the second and my friends kept taking videos of me fighting for my life and sendind them to the dealer, then i closed my eyes and just like that it was almost midnight, they were gone so i somehow got up and tried walking home, projectile vommited all over the street again and after i felt fine. Turns out they went to the store and just left me there to puke for like 4 hours. After all of that i cut them off and never talked to them again. Im glad i went thru that because shortly after they just completely quit school just to smoke more of that evil sh, kind of sad honestly.

[@wecirclethesky]

Dude waking up with cuts is wild man. That happened to me in my garage. It was just an instant gap in time for me and I came to covered in vomit and cuts. My parents heard me out in the garage and came down to me screaming and convulsing and flailing around on the ground. I didnt remember any of it and wondered why they were overreacting. I wouldn't have even believed them had I not seen similar things happening to my friend and him having no memory of it. That was the last time I ever smoked spice, that stuff was dark man.

[@fuegonomics2536]

I tried it once (specifically a brand called "scooby snax"). Absolutely foul experience. Had a rapid heartbeat and the most intense paranoia I have EVER experienced by far throughout the whole duration. I threw the packet away and never touched the shit again. The point of drugs is to make you feel good not like you are at death's door.

[@FieldMarshalFeels]

I've heard of that brand from some guy in a youtube video recording two spiced out women on a park bench.

[@listentoyourvibes]

I got some of the early spice, was pretty good. Then when the DEA started banning the designer cheese, that's where it started getting weird. Tried a bowl of a new Chem, and it made my heart feel like it was going to explode, felt paranoid and agitated. Havnt touched it since.

[@travisjanz4738]

I had the same experience, I thought I was having a heart attack at the time.

[@thomasfisher763]

I smoked that brand too myself. I actually smoked it a couple times, then I got worried because I knew it wasn't weed and really just tried it out of curiosity. I only bought it once but it came in too much for one sitting so I probably smoked it like 5 or so times. I'm very lucky I know now but when you said "Scooby snax" I remembered immediately that's what it was!

[@rm2kking]

I’ve had that brand before. It does make you feel terrible.

[@aardeng]

I had a friend who had a horrible spice experience. He smoked some and then started screaming and hallucinating. He hit his father then started punching the taillights out on his pickup before having convulsions and having to be rushed to the hospital

[@Savagepsykr666]

sounds pretty normal for spice tbh

[@dmo848]

That sounds like some devil taking over type of shit. Damn sorry for your buddy man

[@TheodoreBrosevelt]

It's horrible, took two hits and I could feel everything slow down and then I fell asleep for 6 hours. I don't buy shake anymore simply because I'm afraid of getting spice.

[@aardeng]

@dmo848 it was his big wake up call, joined the airforce a few months later and is living the dream now 🙌

[@simpleman5688]

Cool

[@NumberOneVillain]

I smoked spice once and had a panic attack so severe I actually went into tachycardia. I felt my consciousness slipping away and genuinely thought I was about to die. Never again

[@pindrop.]

I had a similar experience. I smoked some and felt the paranoia coming on, so I took myself to bed to try and sleep it off. While I was lying there, my mind racing, I heard a cracking noise. I knew it was only imagined, but it sounded clear as day. I truly believed in that moment it was the sound of my consciousness breaking, and I remember thinking, "I might not come back from this." That I might lose my sanity forever. I'll never touch that stuff again, and it's made me extremely sceptical about any mind altering substances. You just don't know going in how something will affect you and whether it'll be you coming out the other side.

[@miab5746]

​@@pindrop.I was spiked with spice :/ I thought it was a regular joint but it was laced with spice. Worst experience of my entire life. Horrible paranoia, my heart rate was extremely fast and I completely lost any sense of reality, I was unable to move my body and was stuck in my mind just watching everything infront of me repeat forever. It felt like it lasted an enternity but in reality it was only a few minutes. I still have panic attacks now nearly a decade later when I'm stuck in places like long lines, on trains, in the car, anywhere I can't escape quickly. Repetitive sounds and music are a particular trigger, especially the repetitive beeping if tills and how you are just standing still waiting. Sends me right into a panic attack.

[@lewisjeffreys9175]

That's exactly what happened to me, I thought my heart was going to explode. Never touched it again!

[@doughrito]

Yep everything just started fading to black and I felt like I couldn't breathe for about a year after that. A few months of being jolted awake when I entered rem sleep and generally never being the same

[@KING-RICO.]

Same never again

[@phillippereira6468]

He who controls the spice, controls the universe.

[@Hugh_Jassle]

Abomination

[@padoraye]

Was looking for the mandatory dune refrence

[@phillippereira6468]

@@padoraye I am surprised it didn't occur earlier

[@MrCivildefense]

Shai hulud

[@markthomas9703]

Ok Lyndon.at least the stopped weaponizing the weather.

[@Lynxie2323]

I had accidentally smoked spice once. A friend of mine packed up a bowl and I thought it was regular cannabis. I realized something was off when I smoked it and it smelled very incense-y. It hit like a truck and I honestly don't remember anything but blackness for about 10-15 minutes, then it wore off very quickly. It terrified me and definitely taught me a lesson about trusting other people's drugs.. it was honestly scary and I can't imagine chasing that kind of high. I'm glad you're bringing more awareness to it, most people still see it as a joke drug. Thank you for your video!

[@BongoSeason]

Glad you both are still here.

[@XeroSHWANG]

same thing first time i tried it just blackness and total stillness ... second time was crazy panic attack thinking a meteor was about to hit earth... after that it was fine"for a while" until i ended up in hospital with what i thought was a freaking heart attack

[@JRH087]

not a freind

[@Lipi19821]

99.999% of drugs people take are "other peoples drugs"

[@TronBonneVonne]

10-15 minutes is not quick.

[@shrryph]

I worked with a girl who started smoking Spice back ‘12. When it was sold at local head shops and even the people who worked there back then had starting telling people not to take it. She completely lost her mind and her boyfriend and family had to have her hospitalized. And then institutionalized. I have no idea if she ever recovered.

[@IveSeenSomeStuff]

I use to smoke that BS a while back, 6 years sober now. I stopped because my last trip felt like someone slit my throat and thoughts in my head were giving me scene’s of me being in the hospital with a tube down my throat. I thought i was gonna die that day, thank god I had the will to live and change my ways

[@iamsoup1210]

I used to know people who thought a trip like that was sweet as

[@alphavasson5387]

I'm glad you're doing better now!

[@NicoleZXO]

I’m so glad yeah me too I smoked it for 6 years

[@Backyardmech1]

I never touched the stuff since maybe 2009. Back then it was found to not be something looked for in random drug tests. I didn’t do it very often as it was incredibly strong and made me paranoid. It wasn’t until I started learning about how the chemical structures in the stuff was getting tweaked back into being “legal” that I wouldn’t want any part of it.

[@jamesleate]

I lost my best friend to spice 5 years ago. He was a heavy drug user and we were constantly worried about him getting addicted to opioids or stimulants but he bought this once without telling anybody and died on his brother's sofa the first time he used it.

[@Veninne]

God that's heavy. I'm so sorry for your loss, it must have been terrible for you

[@thebrownlow]

Darwinism, mate... survival of the fittest and eradication of the weak. Don't worry about it, it's just the circle of life.

[@wolf.eye._-]

Omg I'm so sorry 😞

[@That540iMSport]

“He was a heavy drug user” one hit of spice didn’t kill your friend unless you’re making this whole story up to get likes

[@mates5D]

@@That540iMSport could have been anything if they found rat poison in spice, doesnt matter if he was using anything besides that

[@greghancock5465]

I have a relative who got completely hooked on spice/budha/whatevertheydecidedtocallitthatday. He had a seizure, and ended up seeing two angels outside the hospital window deciding whether he should live or die. Thankfully, he is now clear and helping people in the same circumstances. Well proud, love ya cuz.

[@futilelamp4188]

I had nearly the same experience except my angels were arguing over weather I lost my mind or stayed sane, luckily the sane one won,never tried it again.

[@Jenny2dicks]

What did they look like

[@Jenny2dicks]

@@futilelamp4188 what did they look like

[@Vinny_TheCableGuy]

Spice made it's rounds in my highschool back in 2012. I, being an eager freshman, bought some thinking it was weed. Luckily, my friend's mom caught him with it and saw our texts about it. I had only tried one puff. I thank her to this day for catching us. She was also a parole officer.

[@FatRescueSwimmer04]

that's a good momma, she actually paid attention to her kids lives....... super rare these days sadly

[@corytanksley7909]

My first time trying it, one puff was all it took to get me to the moon. I took 3 in total and freaked out in the back seat of my friends car. I continued to use this drug for 6 months... I was pretty dumb back then.

[@corytanksley7909]

Bro, I was hooked on this stuff for about 6 months. They pulled it from the shelves and I went through the worst withdraws I have ever experienced. That was about 10 years ago, I didn't realize this stuff was still going around. I remember not being able to eat anything unless I was high, I would get these insane stomach cramps and vomit anything I tried to eat unless I smoked first. During the withdraws, I could hardly even keep water down. I was picking through the carpet where I used to pack my bowl hoping that I would find enough for just one more hit. Thank God that I lost easy access to this drug when I did. Once I finally got pass my withdraws, I made a promise to myself that I would never allow anything like that back into my life.

[@Igiveashitofaname]

That sounds very similar to my experience with that stuff, the withdraws are hell on earth. Besides don't be able to eat i had leg and arm cramps and couldn't sleep for days. But the worst were the constant anxiety and panic attacks. Took 2-3 weaks until it starts to wear off but i needed over half a year to fully recover.

[@ShadowZ6677]

I'll expose myself a bit here. I smoked spice for a year when it first came out. (In the US Military we couldn't take Marijuana, so Spice or K2 was the big thing for a lot of us when it came out.) Most of us just found it to be something completely harmless, and when I got out, I didn't have withdraws or anything like that getting off of it. It was as if it was just a flash in the pan for me, and I'd all but forgotten I even did the stuff until this video haha. But the packets were basically made to tell you "You are smoking incense." And people were even gaslighting others into that exact thought process "Relax, it's just incense that you are smoking. It's harmless." What isn't said is just how far into government and military Spice actually got. I had Lieutenants that were smoking it with us. I had top brass going along and doing the drug as well. This was a big thing that no one really was talking about. The military didn't do anything to stop people from using it. As long as it wasn't Marijuana or anything illegal at the time, they didn't care. We were also told that it was untraceable and couldn't really be detected. This is like 13 years ago now. Thank you Simon for reading this script, and whoever decided to write the script, you did an excellent job on this piece.

[@sucha603boy]

I remember this stuff getting popular while I was in from 09-15. The base I was on started black listing stores that sold it. Seemed sketchy and why risk your military career

[@TheCrapOnYourStrapOn]

I was in the US infantry from 2003-2009 and I remember when spice started showing up in the barracks. Friend of mine got busted smoking it in his room and they found a fake dick for taking drug tests, syringe and a bunch of oxy. Needless to say he jumped out of the window and we never saw him again.

[@TheCrapOnYourStrapOn]

@@sucha603boyat first kids were getting away with it. Smoking it before formations and even literally in the barracks. Ugh. Even officers were getting in on it as I was getting out in 09. I was too busy abusing my fentanyl patches to get into spice, thank god.

[@timetravelkitty425]

Yeah 13 years ago was probably about the last time I remember seeing anyone smoking any of these marijuana alternatives. I never did understand the appeal but I guess that’s because I was able to smoke weed😅 I had a friend who had just moved from Long Island to upstate New York so it was kind of a culture shock and they were selling it in all the stores in Hudson so she was buying it and smoking it because she couldn’t afford weed or find anyone to buy it from for that matter. I was pretty firm on I don’t wanna smoke any of that shit don’t mix it in with any of the weed I think it’s gross. I had no idea it was so dangerous until later on

[@TheCrapOnYourStrapOn]

@@timetravelkitty425 you can’t smoke weed in the army but all of your non army friends smoke weed. That’s the attraction, it wasn’t on the urinalysis. Same reason I bought thousands of dollars of tramadol online before it became a scheduled drug. I’m guessing kratom is probably an issue these days although you can easily test for it (I don’t know if the army tests for kratom yet but it should because it’s just as bad but you can get it absolutely anywhere)

[@bobcook2800]

I was briefly addicted to spice, a brand called Mister Happy. One day the police raided all the gas stations and took everything so there was no where to get it easily. I went back to regular weed and it didn't get me high anymore but it killed the craving for the fake stuff. Eventually I started to get high on regular weed again so I didn't perma fry myself thank God.

[@davidgraham2673]

I remember that stuff. Had the smiley face on the package.

[@zakaarbovus1872]

@@davidgraham2673 yup I remember that shit. Had an intense anxiety attack and thought I was the worst person alive, being on drug and whatnot

[@aethervagrant244]

happy face and diablo wiped my ass with asphalt

[@davidgraham2673]

@@aethervagrant244 , That was some very potent stuff. So was Soldier of Fortune.

[@justicedemocrat9357]

You should've tried crack.

[@ayakajackson2648]

My Mum tried spice once, she's always just smoked weed and didn't know what spice could do. I came home to find my poor mum hallucinating, screaming and writhing on the living room floor. It was like she was literally in hell being tortured, I've never seen any thing like it. Luckily she was fine but very shaken up and I'll never be able to get that image out of my head.

[@BillyTheCheeseMonger]

Yikes:/

[@1marcelfilms]

When mommy is a druggie

[@ellemmenn2930]

That’s terrifying, I’m glad she only did it the once and was ok and very sorry you had to witness that

[@jarodlentz7644]

​@@1marcelfilmsmost people in society are druggies on some level.

[@Dgafsranger]

That's not spice I'm very anti spice I was an addict for 5 years that crap is horrible I went threw almost all the chemicals they used and smoked the pure chemical on top of the already made spice but what you described is definitely not spice that'd be more like flaka or bath salts she might have got told that but it's wasn't anyone who still uses it is stupid and should learn from others mistakes like mine

[@Derouin91]

Almost 9 years clean off spice. I went to the gas station I used to buy it from after I got clean and the guy behind the counter was shocked I was still alive. I would throw up all the time, and had a horrible cough that wouldn't go away. It even gave me temporary amnesia a couple times. I wouldn't be alive today if I didn't switch to regular ol' mary jane.

[@SimonMester]

The fact that mushrooms are a schedule one drug is the greatest injustice in the UK drug laws. It's one of the very few drugs that have completely legitimate usage in low doses. And yet we have synthethic garbage killing people that is somehow 'less harmful/criminal' according to the law.

[@PianoFish]

Drug laws are based on many things but science isn't one of them. Back in 2009 the government's top drug advisor was sacked for saying cannabis, ecstasy and LSD were less dangerous than alcohol and tobacco. He and the rest of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs recommended that cannabis shouldn't be 'upgraded' to class B and that ecstasy should be downgraded from A to B because the scientific evidence didn't support it being in the same category as things like heroin and cocaine - the government ignored this and basically told them they weren't allowed to contradict government policy.

[@nonamefound68]

Well, you can have the mushroom spores legally and all the growing ingredients. It's illegal to mix them though lol

[@HellsYeah8]

I mean, you guys arrest more people than Russia does for online speech. What do you expect?

[@scootaymildo1070]

​@@nonamefound68 been looking into sites to get spores. Any recommendations?

[@davidgenie-ci5zl]

In a society that offers junkies free food, housing, and healthcare, the costs borne by others, we need to outlaw drugs that make people addicted, less productive, and dependant on the working folks.

[@moonflower9403]

Thank you for doing an episode on this issue. My daughter is severely addicted to this. She just completed rehab after loosing her 2yr. No one would listen to me when I stressed how bad this drug was. She would become extremely violent, fractured my hand when I tried calling 911. It STILL can be bought at any corner store for $5. It’s permanently changed my daughter. I’ll continue to speak loudly and strong against this concoction of drug. I live near the city originally dubbed spike city. It’s considered a “sanitary code violation” when someone is caught with it. It’s not a law violation. This needs to change! It’s destroying families.

[@thebrownlow]

how many times did she whore herself out to pay for it?

[@AfroAtze]

@@thebrownlow countless times. when you are addicted, nothing else matters except getting the drug. she has probably done unspeakable things and is read to do more just to get another hit. it is over for her.

[@AiyaSGC87]

I had no idea it was still legal anywhere! WHY??! There's so much documentation on the dangers!

[@Joedackie7]

@@thebrownlowwhat is wrong with you, why would you even ask that? Very very sick on your part

[@thebrownlow]

@@Joedackie7 it's a fair question; people agree with me. And maybe look at the parent @moonflower9403? There'd be a reason she's now a crack-whore, and I wonder what abuse she suffered at their hands growing up?

[@ReallyGoodBadBoy]

I do homeless outreach in my city, and spice is an epidemic. Ironically it didn’t get really bad until the government tried to legislate it. That is when they started swapping out isomers of the original spice and all the horrifying stories started occurring. I don’t know if there is an answer, we have so many programs, treatments, organizations, etc… that are absolutely free and people gladly turn them down to continue living on the streets getting high. It’s really made me pessimistic. I’ve helped countless individuals get free housing and drug treatment, to then have to send them back to the streets a week later because they turned their free apartment into a drug den…

[@Oldetoast]

That’s the problem with these really intense highs, they feel so good that everything else becomes a grey disappointment. Why pull my life together and go through so much effort and “grayness” when the thing that makes me feel best is right here. This is why those habits are so hard to break: the human mind is all about seeking an easy, steady stream of dopamine, and these kind of drugs highjack that. I just want to say that people like you are angels, and I couldn’t have gotten clean without the help I received from people like you.

[@watchingitallhere]

Story checks out.

[@hemlockVape]

Friend went nuts and jumped off a 7th floor balcony. 😢

[@bickyboo7789]

​@@Oldetoast idk I've been doing meth and benzodiazepines for the past ten years. I'm doing pretty good, everything in moderation. Some people just can't handle life in general, or drugs.

[@ElonRust668]

Thank you for your work. Are you able to help me get off of the streets?

[@C-wey]

Introduced by my brother who couldn't smoke because of the military - We used to "get babywierd" and play ssbm till we all passed out in the living room. After enough times of this some of us noticed heart pain or strange beating patterns. That scared us all into just preferring weed again and i am extremely grateful myself and my friend group stopped without anyone having real problems. Years later we heard of crazy stories of people having heart attacks and lung bleeding (no idea what's fully true and what isn't) and found out it was probably one of the dumbest things we ever did. That stuff got you really fkd up, and not even in a fun way a lot of the times.

[@jamiecarter459]

Me and my friends were all big stoners in our teens and I remember this being available in the shops, along with methadrone. We were at a friends house once and someone had some of it, they'd tried it once and didn't like it and had planned on throwing it away. My best friend decided to load a huge bowl of it being the "big man" because he thought "how bad could it possibly be".... 5 minutes later he didn't know who he was or where he was, it was scary. Years later he still said he felt like he was never the same after it

[@angytater]

Yes!! I tried it once back in high school in like 2013. I barely remember anything but I just remember how I forgot everything. Who I was, who anyone was, what was going on. I couldn't even speak. It took hours to come down and I would say the same thing as your friend, I've never felt the same. I have times frequently where I dissociate and feel exactly as when I tried it. Not something to mess with.

[@EZ-D-FIANT]

🤢🤮 thanks for reminding me about that fishy taste of meth...🤢

[@jamiecarter459]

@EZ-D-FIANT oh man it was the worst!!

[@jamiecarter459]

@EZ-D-FIANT we used to call it fish paste back when it was still sold as "shake n vac" in the headshops 😂 remember how the smell stained your wallet permanently 😂

[@EZ-D-FIANT]

@@jamiecarter459 Yea I remember the girls liking it too.....😅 Feckin shit tbh, I nearly lost my partner to spice, litterely got her on crack and gear to get her away from it, a way safer devil to dance with if ya know what I mean, clean and thriving now (thankfully) but most of my life long friends lost themselves to one or the other, dead or not the same any more, hard lessons man, so far it's been millennium bug, 9/11, plages, recessions, zombies, ww3 threat so yea no one could blame us for still smoking plenty of weed....🤣 Stay safe and keep smiling bro....👍👌👍

[@TheItalianTrash]

I did small amount of spice every night for a few weeks due to drug tests, and always enjoyed it with a few beers. But, the one time I tried it all alone without any alcohol and it made me severely depressed, and never did it again. It definitely seems that the first batches of spice contained compounds that were safer than the compounds that they kept replacing future batches with.

[@stevengill1736]

Yes - as new analogs were developed to evade the law, they often had unpredictable potency and negative side effects....

[@joshbhoy]

I had similar experiences with early spice. never really had a bad time on it and only really smoked it when i couldnt get weed. Luckily weed got easier to get and i stopped it long before they started banning it and the more dangerous newer compounds came out.

[@dontreldontrel416]

​@@joshbhoyWhere can I find this stuff and will it pass drug test??

[@dontreldontrel416]

How did the drug test part go??? And I'm in search of it now. Where??? 😂

[@TheItalianTrash]

​@@dontreldontrel416 I passed every drug test for 3 months and also didn't drink for 3 days prior to a test. I haven't seen spice for a decade as recreational marijuana is now legal in New York. I would advise against searching for any of the new batches of spice as it's dangerous. You're better off using small amounts of shrooms which most drug tests cannot detect.

[@hoenheim94]

The story of Barry Kidston and MPTP is actually a little bit different and actually an even better cautionary tale then the version you have told. He hadnt just made it for personal consumption, he had actually been selling it in the surrounding area as well. It caused a brief epidemiological mystery when a growing number of heroin users in the area started showing up to ERs with signs of extremely progressed parkinsons disease despite having no prior history of it. Also, the resulting toxicity wasnt due to any synthetic impurities, but rather to a primary metabolite of MPTP, MPP+. MPTP very selectively targets the Dopamine Active Transporter (DAT), a receptor found on dopamine releasing neurons in which basically pulls some of the dopamine back out of the synapse and into the cell. It is transported into the cell via DAT, wherein it is metabolised to a second compound known as MPP+. MPP+ then induces programmed cell death in the neuron. At scale this translates to rapid and highly targeted killing of the subset of dopamine releasing neurons involved in motor functioning (if I remember right, the sub-specificity to that circuit is due to it targeting only some variations of DAT, but its been years since I covered this, so I could be wrong). Establishing routes of metabolism is an important part of drug development which any legitimate pharmaceutical must go through, but can be an afterthought to a non-professional. Ironically though, Barry did actually end up making a significant contribution to medical research; because of its selectivity MPP+ is now one of the preferred tools to use to create animal models for parkinsons research.

[@alexsetterington3142]

To purposely give animals Parkinson's disease?

[@chemistryofquestionablequa6252]

It's a terrifying story that anyone thinking about making their own novel drugs should read/watch. This is why we test in animals before moving 9n to humans, and there have STILL been unexpected human deaths in drug trials.

[@gregparrott]

Thanks for a detailed explanation. I've never tried PTP or Spice, and know little about human metabolism. But I get the gist of its action on dopamine and conversion into something that activates neuron cell death. Common sense dictates avoiding any synthetic 'recreational' drug developed in the last several decades, let alone those synthesized by unknown, illicit labs. An error in any compound or process step of its manufacture, and the resulting product may be vastly changed.

[@mirandasapphire8203]

Thank you for covering this. I was just combing over an old friend's FB page who passed away in 2020. She was 25 years old 😢 and smoking "mojo" (as she called it). She ended up running out and had a seizure while driving to her dealer's house. She wrecked her vehicle (thankfully did not hurt anyone else or herself) and woke up in the hospital a month later. She was put into a medically induced coma because she would not stop seizing. She was sent to a mental institution afterward because she was experiencing psychosis. She said she did not remember anything her mom told her she had done, being combative by hitting, cursing, and standing up trying to pull out her catheter. She would continue having seizures from that point forward. She was placed on a bunch of meds to control them. Ultimately, she got into a relationship with an abusive man and began using the mojo again with him. I know that she lost a ton of weight bc I saw her maybe a week prior to her passing. She was frail; her spine was visible. Fastforward, no one had heard from her for a while. One of my other friends, with a group of girls, decided to pull her window unit out of her home and crawl in. she was there on her bed, deceased with a bucket next to her, which was presumably there bc she felt sick/vomited. They still haven't figured out exactly what caused her death yet. I imagine it was related to the spice. Please do not smoke this toxic substance! I can't believe it was sold in stores. After breaking up, my ex-boyfriend met a girl on work release, and he would go get it for her so she could pass a drug test back in jail. It is less popular in my area now, but I know some people probably still do it. It is not worth the risk! 😟🥺 Your life matters. RIP Melynda & others ❤🕊 Wow, that was long. Sorry! 😬😅

[@LordAlucard22]

Me and my sister use to smoke spice/K2 when it very first hit shelves, of course we immediately discarded the "not for inhalation" warnings and it did not take long to realize this was not in fact anything like the weed we normally smoked. We eventually quit after throwing up some mysterious brown substance after a long smoke session. Thank goodness we stopped before one of us died or was seriously effected by it. Be careful what you put into you body, folks.

[@dustincarroll7296]

K2 was the shit lol

[@Finnbobjimbob]

Moron

[@beavisroadhog9629]

Be careful what you put into your body, folks. Mebbe a good time to be careful would be BEFORE you do it.

[@zackdaripr]

@@dustincarroll7296nah, just shit.

[@LiShuBen]

The one and only time i did spice, i got stuck in a single moment, as in i kept repeating my physical movement (i was rocking back and forwardl and mentally i was picturing a distorted version of myself walking through hell but only a single step. Each time i took a step id start back over, like a youtube short that was less than 2 seconds. I was fully aware of the mental place i was in and my physical body at the same time and it felt like my brain was being ripped apart. While i know now this experience lasted only a few minutes, it felt like i was trapped in that 1 second for 10 years while i was high. I feel so lucky that i wasnt mentally broken by this experience which i know can happen

[@ASMCourtney]

Hey, that's what happened to me, my soul fell out of my body into an eternal hell rollercoaster and it was an eternity where the only thing I knew was the mistake, and I didn't know what it was, but it was all I was. That is a shit drug bro... Glad you are still here.

[@noelahg79]

The hallucinations are insane I hear.

[@ytsm]

Same.

[@LiShuBen]

@leadinurhead same to you. Glad you made it out, it really goes beyond words how terrible it is to he trapped in your own mind, for years, within a single moment. I tell everyone I know about this shit cause I wouldn't wish a bad spice trip on anyone.

[@LiShuBen]

@noelahg79 very insane. It was like I was experiencing multiple things at the same time, like the hallucinations existed ontop of the physical world but I could still fully perceive the physical world while being caught up in the hallucinations .

[@robertbeecroft5570]

My brother and I smoked spice years ago. Bought a little container of it for a few bucks. The high was similar to weed, but we both got paranoid as hell and hid in a park. Our hiding spot? Shadows made by trees. We squatted in the shadows, obviously not really hidden, and watched a dude drinking a 40 on a swing set, thinking he was watching us. We threw the rest away after that.

[@Duddyyd]

Addiction to alcohol and cigarettes really wrecked my life. I remember a few years back, after my divorce, when I went down a rough path with both. I ended up dealing with severe depression and was diagnosed with CPTSD. It wasn’t until a friend suggested psilocybin mushroom therapy that things started to change. Honestly, that treatment saved my life. I’ve been completely clean for eight years now. Much love to Mother Nature and those amazing magic mushrooms!

[@Edwin-j9h]

Amen! God bless everyone. Take care of your health and mind life is way better without heroin, cocaine, alcohol, and cigarettes. Plus, you’ll have more money in your pocket! Big shoutout to everyone who’s turned their back on the devil’s trap of addiction to things like alcohol and cigarettes, which can really mess up your health.

[@Marching-b2t]

Can you help me with the reliable source. I'm 42 and have suffered for years with addiction, anxiety and severe ptsd, I got my panic attacks under control myself years ago and they have come back with a vengeance, I'm constantly trying to take full breaths but can't get the full satisfying breath out, it's absolutely crippling me, i live in Switzerland. I don't know much about these mushrooms. Really need a reliable source!! Can't wait to get them

[@AlabranJarredRay]

YES very sure of benmycologys I have the same experience with anxiety, depression, PTSD and addiction and Mushrooms definitely made a huge huge difference to why am clean today

[@ConStruction-v3o]

100% agree I used to have Psychosis and paranoid thoughts like "people thinking about me talking about me etc. Very odd behavior after getting off Adderall from 7-16. Antidepressants at 18-29. 34 now. I took way to much, but took about 20g of Gold caps (Psilocybin containing mushroom) I analyzed my entire life. The emotions that came out helped me understand behavior etc more. Wont ever need to do it again because I'm happy and contempt forever, but I wish more people did this to alter their perception of reality. Would help with healing much trauma

[@BullardJohnPaul]

How do I reach out to him? Is he on insta

[@OhioBahn440]

Ive heard a dozen stories, including my own, of spice causing absolutely mind melting panic attacks. Full blown visual and auditory hallucinations, getting stuck in time transport loops. Every single batch had a totally different potency. Im suprised more youtubers havent talked about all the research chemicals people were getting fried off of in 2012

[@lokismischief2512]

2-CB fucked my night up once. 5meo-dmt was another really weird one.

[@gundegas2597]

Oh yes, the time loop :(

[@MZ-zu7wk]

Yep. I remember I would go to the gas station right down the street from my house, and pick up 500mg of "Tranquillity Bath Salts" and a packet of "Black Magic Incense" All for under 50 bucks. Literally getting drugs over the counter at the gas station. That was like 2011 or so, when I was 19 years old.. it's crazy to even think about that now, and I'm even more grateful that I never had any serious reactions to these drugs. I remember the bath salts being like a really dull amphetamine high, but I enjoyed it when I mixed it with liquor. The black magic felt almost identical to weed. I was fortunate to not get addicted to these drugs, but I've seen them absolutely destroy people. It seems the spice variations just got progressively stronger and stronger, because when I see people smoke it now, they look absolutely psychotic.

[@mikepatrona472]

Mr nice guy was the only twack that wasn’t insane. Now that shits only ever smoked in prison and it’s probably 100x easier to buy flakka both are dead drugs at least outside of prison

[@willcresson8776]

​@@lokismischief2512I liked 2cb, but 5meodmt was a little too much. Regular dmt for me, please. What I really miss is MXE

[@bw5020]

A former friend of mine tried to get me to do it. He described it and really thought the idea of a simulated heart attack sounded dope. He was also kinda aggressively addicted to it. To the point where he left me in Glen Burnie, almost 2 hours away from where we stayed at, because he was too high to remember I was going to hold the bus so WE could go home. It was 30 degrees and dropping, drizzling, and I was out back in a fall fleece. I called when I saw the bus skip my stop. Told him it left us. He said he was on it... broke my heart because off the stuff, he is one the sharpest most clever dudes I knew. Weed never made me feel like that. So I dipped. Broke my heart but I can't go out like that...

[@janog222]

This stuff ruined my marriage to my high school sweetheart and turned my children’s father into a drug addict. Thank you for making this to inform people. People look at me like I made it up when I tell them this was the drug he was addicted to.

[@arcuz7862]

Wow, you are a sad existance.

[@cardiiiiii]

no you ruined all that man up

[@lixm3675]

@@cardiiiiiireal he made the decision, no drugs are bad just the way people use them.

[@5555aa-xr5zc]

@@lixm3675 Cyanide pills.

[@PaceFootball]

​@@cardiiiiii Drugs have different effects on different people due to the complex variances in brain chemistry. You don't know what happened with their marriage so F off

[@hendos7464]

Substances are just too big for humans to consume. I'm finally getting off alcohol as I've realised it's got just a big a come down as drugs. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's ok. It just means it can be taxed.

[@AliveBoldTV]

💯

[@ClaytonBrownMusicOfficial]

I knew a guy who tried some of this stuff thinking it would be close to the real thing, and while he didn’t get aggressive, we did have to pick him and his car up off of the side of the highway, as he was driving at the time. He was so fried he basically had to give us riddles as to where he was. Thank God he was near the one place in town that would ever have “just a _bunch_ of birdbaths.”

[@StandTallTx]

I don't use this word to describe things very often, but this stuff is legitimately evil. I'm 34 and I did it TWICE during my teens because apparently one awful experience wasn't enough for me to learn my lesson. Both times I absolutely regretted it and if I had to choose one word to describe the feeling, it'd be "overwhelming". You feel wrong; like I was on the urge of having a major panic attack. I had to force myself to fall asleep otherwise I knew I was going to freak the hell out.

[@Revan2908]

My closest friend's late husband used to use this stuff. She said she traced the noticeable change in his personality back to that time, as if it burned a hole through his brain.

[@nicholasbrown668]

​@@bessthurgood9444it's ok grandma, time to take your pills and go back to hospice

[@garretth8224]

​@@bessthurgood9444Do you know that a predisposition to addiction is a genetic trait that can be passed down? Also being an addict doesn't mean you are a terrible person.

[@Revan2908]

@@bessthurgood9444 Actually, despite my decidedly leftist views, I come from one of those really "Christian" conservative families who frown upon such things as weed.

[@jamesphlames7498]

Oh lord. I bought some spice about 10 years ago because i was told that it was basically just like marijuana. As soon as i walked out of the shop i hid behind a wall and smoked a pipe packed full of it. I immediately started tripping out and the worst part was that i was in the middle of a city centre. I desperately tried to make my way back to the train station so i could go home but my mind was so warped and i was hallucinating so badly that i ended up just wandering around in circles completely lost and incapable of figuring out where anything was. I eventually gave up and scuttled into an underground carpark where i hid for an hour or two until it wore off. Absolute nightmare material.

[@k2to3452]

I don’t know why anyone would try this absolute horror stories😮

[@maryearll3359]

​@@k2to3452 Yes why ? The way it is eulogised is sickening and pathetic.

[@tannerogle551]

I smoked spice when it first came out for 6 months. I started tweaking really hard, trying to find crumbs in the carpet when I was out. At that point I knew I had to quit. I told my wife to lock me in a room and not let me out for 4 days until my withdrawals were done. Dry heaving and convulsions the whole time. After the withdrawal was done it was still physically impossible for me to eat food for another 5 days. I think I lost like 40 lbs… worst drug I’ve ever done, and I’ve been around the block

[@pinchewey7]

I went through this also and would be throwing up, withdrawing, unable to eat and would keep trying to do anything to get more spice and get rid of the dope sick it would give me. I lost so much weight everyone around me started noticing I was on some hardcore shit but didn't know what. It was at the end of 2012 and I just turned 18 and was a very popular kid with the large social group I had from school and my neighborhood and everything but I quickly lost many friends when people saw me like that all skinny and looking strung out. One day I got sick of it and bought an oz of weed and locked myself up for days and just smoked weed and sat in the shower with super hot water for the withdraws and I got off of it. Right after I started doing really well and came up on a lot of money and everyone who stopped wanting to be friends with me started either hating me more or pretending to want to be friends again to use me cause they continued looking at me like I wasn't shit and didn't deserve going from a junkie for a year to having a new car and being up doing all kinds of things. Anyways, showed me what everyone's true colors were and who had love for me regardless. Lots of my family treated me like shit afterwards also

[@thegraffitiplayground1325]

Same

[@Jamesquish]

same here man, I used to spend hours crawling around my carpet just trying to find the tiniest bit to curb my cravings. that drug is something else! even heroin doesnt come close

[@cattmartyr8156]

i usually hover around 225 and i got down to 175. i found an old camera with footage of me spun out and i didn’t even recognize myself. i looked like a cancer patient.

[@cattmartyr8156]

@@Jamesquish i feel that. at least heroin and pills was a predictable withdrawal. i knew what was happening. spice was different.

[@petrakhor3513]

An acquaintance of mine used this stuff, destroyed his life and marriage. Thankfully no one else was physically hurt by him, but it's a sad ending. What a vile drug :(

[@amberlopez7477]

😂

[@maryearll3359]

​@@amberlopez7477 You're so clever and funny.

[@mecha417]

Spice was openly advertised in magazines I used to read. I remember it being touted as cannabis-free and "legal". My stupid brain thought it was literally spices like cinnamon or pepper prepped as mix to smoke. I don't smoke, so imagine my humor at the time thinking people are "spicing" up their smoking experience with cayenne powder.

[@leighz1962]

Probably better off with the pepper seasoning and people probably tried that unfortunately..

[@luckyy3691]

What magazines? Genuinely curious now

[@mecha417]

Specifically, I remember c't having those for a while some time between the late 2000's and 2010's. It's a German computer-tech magazine. I could be wrong though.

[@ZainAli-b8d5z]

There was a crazy spice rage in the UK lots of teens thought they were smoking thc but were smoking spice. And are still feeling the effects

[@wastelander138]

The stuff is vile. I'm glad I never touched it. I remember seeing it in a headshop and giving it a pass. A few weeks later I seen videos of guys looking like zombies, rolling around in garbage. A bullet well dodged.

[@bestprice1776]

If you shop in a headshop, then you are already messed up and what's the difference?

[@goreobsessed2308]

​@@bestprice1776their are levels to just how fucked you can get

[@wafflesarelove]

@@bestprice1776 not at all

[@muddycatfish5396]

@@bestprice1776 That not necessarily true, these type of places also tend to sell disposable vapes, cigars, rolling papers, even liquor at some places. Any average joe could buy them, the difference with spice is that average joes turn into a psychotic mess, willing to do anything for the next hit.

[@HedonisticHarv]

​@@bestprice1776bruh bruh, you're not better than anyone cuz you don't smoke weed or nicotine, you just POTENTIALLY have healthier lungs. Go wash another Advil down with a Mickey's.

[@dillonbussard9576]

I had coworkers who got into this stuff while out on work release. They came in one day fine, the next day they were an hour late and couldn't remember my name. They smoked weed before being locked up so when they came out on work release they looked for the first thing that looked like weed but could be hidden from the guards at the work release center. The vacant look on their eyes is something I will never forget. They just stood in one spot for hours never moving.

[@spuriouseffect]

My cousins did it. The first time they couldn't move their legs to get up out of their chairs, and when one of them tried and fell on the floor, they all laughed for hours while he tried to get up. The second time they did it, they were playing poker but thought that they couldn't make decisions quick enough to play, so they sent half of themselves to the future to learn what they had played so they could come back to the present and play it. Crazy stuff.

[@roguespartan345]

My own mother decided it would be better for me to smoke spice instead of marijuana. So she bought me spice and I was hooked for almost 9 months. I had to move out of the house and into my friends house 5 states away just to get away from her and the drug, the withdrawals were horrifying “hot and cold with shakes, heart palpitations to the point where one day it felt like a horse kicked me in the chest and my nose exploded with blood” I bled a constant stream of blood like a faucet was turned on and almost died. Just weed for me now, thanks mom!

[@MrDarkavenue]

Wow crazy story. Glad you're doing better. I could really use a doobie right about now, as well

[@xtheflabeox8813]

Pretty sure that wasn't the fucking spice killing you dude

[@TehOneTrewIdjut]

A friend of mine who was absolutely terrified of drugs but had smoked pot on and off for most of her life had some spice without realizing what it was. I was sitting on the toilet when an unknown, screaming voice entered my house (she was my neighbor). “Tim! Tim! Becky hit some fake bake and she’s dead bro! Please help me!” I got up as quick as I could and ran over there. She was laying in a chair pale and kind of blue, her white tongue hanging out of her mouth. I had no idea what to do, but I seen her head move a bit so I tried to give her a drink of cold water. She came to and took a deep breath and started cussing me immediately. That was scary shit. She apologized but I knew she was out of her mind so I wasn’t worried about it.

[@peteschweddy4263]

You probably got tainted PCP not spice. I don’t know though haven’t had spice or real pcp in like 15 years. Doesn’t exist in my area any more. You probably had soemthing else on there. Where did your mom get her hands on that? Sounds laced to me. Probably some kinda synthetic opioid or something. Or maybe a nicotine health problem. If you smoke moles or spliffs/blunts you could have a a problem with nicotine/tobacco. More and more people are allergic to tobacco these days. Know a guy who had something like that happen. Cannabis alone won’t do that typically (unless you have lung or organ failure) but I dunno. Cannabis isn’t ideal for your health either but it’s better than all the other stuff, or at least as healthy as you can expect from Soemthing you burn and inhale. Still not as healthy as psilocybin/psilocyn.

[@samueldavis5895]

@@peteschweddy4263spice is laced by nature and almost always different and inconsistent

[@PandoraFoxxBurlesque]

My area of the UK (North East) was one of the worst hit by "Spice Zombies". It was pretty terrifying seeing people staggering into traffic, eyes rolled back in their heads, muttering to themselves, or just frozen in place with vacant looks - not knowing if they were dead or just off their face

[@Dylan-ti5zd]

My dad was the biggest seller of it in Newcastle not knowing the ramifications of what it was doing to people. He regrets ever getting a hold of it now knowing the damage it caused. He thought since it’s legal there’s no harm in it and it’s easy way to make money without getting into trouble selling weed.

[@williambrennan5701]

in Miami our zombies ate peoples faces. imagine being a cop coming up to a man eating another mans face alive like with his teeth , shooting him and the guy look's up growls and goes back to eating.. here's what happened Eugene - who eventually became completely naked, discarding even his shoes and his Bible at the crime scene[5] - encountered 65-year-old Ronald Poppo at approximately 1:55 pm. Poppo had been lying underneath the elevated Metromover people mover viaduct when Eugene began to pummel him, strip him of his pants, and bite his face. The attack unfolded at the west end of the MacArthur Causeway, near the headquarters of The Miami Herald in the Arts & Entertainment District neighborhood of Downtown Miami.[7] It was at first believed that neither Eugene nor Poppo[2] knew the other before their encounter, until a July 2012 publication revealed that Eugene had met Poppo while working for the homeless community of Miami.[8] A passing cyclist, Larry Vega, came upon the scene and alerted authorities via 9-1-1.[9] A few minutes later, Miami Police Department officer Jose Ramirez[10] arrived and, after doing a double take at the spectacle,[11] warned Eugene to desist from attacking Poppo. Eugene ignored the officer's warnings and, instead, reportedly growled at him, then resumed biting his victim.[9] The attack ended at 2:13 pm with Officer Ramirez shooting Eugene once at first, which proved ineffective, and then another four times. The ordeal was captured by a security camera on The Miami Herald building.[12] Surveillance video shows that the attack continued for 18 minutes before help arrived@@Dylan-ti5zd

[@TheLoneWanderererr]

​@@williambrennan5701he had no drugs in his system except a small amount of weed it was mental illness

[@kuroneko334]

​@@Dylan-ti5zdyeah I'm sure he regrets it 😂😂

[@jackoh991]

Gordie?

[@DeTofuKing]

I smoked spice as a teenager. It was what all of my friends were doing. Luckily, no one died from spice. I have lost a countless number of friends to other drugs, and am glad I left drugs behind years ago.

[@Hoolianvon]

I had one crazyexperience growing up, I was 15 years old and had been influenced by my older brother. During the time he was on probation and spice it what he smoked. I ended indulging him and enjoying it a few times. There was a particular smoke season that sent me into the most involuntary out of body experience ever. We smoked and all the sudden, I had fallen backwards without noticing. Straight on the the concrete like a board. I hit my head so hard I didn’t feel it and simultaneously spun into this nightmare of a hallucinatory state where I experienced this kaleidoscopic loop of a body being ripped apart over and over again. I thought it was only my only existence where I would never return from. It subsided after some time then I experienced every emotion one at a time through another kaleidoscope or color, such as fear and uncertainty. I remember feeling like I was this immovable object and an unstoppable force was headed for me, it was what I thought a being rocking towards me, stuck I knew there was no way out and I accepted this fate. After that realization it faded and I found myself in a 2 dimensional world where flying through these lands of different colored being. Like blue, green, yellow so on and so fourth. At the last cycle of this the whole world illuminated in gold as I ascended from the world, being thanked by every being there. As I flew away everything began to turn white all around me. I noticed a small black dot in what seemed to be the center of this space, edging closer to it, it was a bubbling tar like ball gurgling and I saw a black figure emerge and simultaneously as it rose up my physical body, and this being both took what felt like what I would describe as a first breath of life, concluding my trip.

[@pokeitwithastick7869]

The "unstoppable force and an immovable object" paradox is a classic paradox formulated as "What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?"1According to modern scientific understanding, no force is completely irresistible, and there are no immovable objects and cannot be any, as even a minuscule force will cause a slight acceleration on an object of any mass2. An immovable object would have to have an inertia that was infinite, and therefore infinite mass2. An unstoppable force must be an un-acceleratable object, and that means that an unstoppable force and an immovable object are really just the same, viewed from different reference frames.

[@Kryzzpu]

Video starts at 1:28

[@mayhem-l4e]

Brain can't comprehend 1 minute?

[@elizabethdelamater6930]

God forbid we don't want to hear about sponsors instead of the topic we fucking click on​@@mayhem-l4e

[@chadtyers]

@@mayhem-l4epeople pay premium just to avoid adds. We dont deserve more advertising

[@Thesalviashop]

A prime example of how the war on drugs often makes the drug problem much worse

[@dddux]

Yeh, they should just legalise Marijuana, really, so nobody would have to smoke this stuff again.

[@arribaficationwineho32]

Legalize cannabis

[@user-Cata7sti7ma7]

@@dddux Vancouver as enter the tchat : Lets me doupt about that. Legalization without proper regulation/planning can result of a catastrophe, making thing way worst.

[@arcuz7862]

Only degenerates smoke weed, legal or not. Don't be worthless, don't do drugs.

[@thebrownlow]

please expand on this generic answer... what exact example are you referring to. I agree the war on drugs is not winnable, but how does it make it worse? in this instance, they would appear to have banned its sale from public facing shops, which would prevent thousands from knowing of the drug, let alone taking it. the ban has pushed Spice etc onto the black market, but that has tripled the price making it less affordable and only a small percentage of people know how to buy from dark markets effectively.

[@Brother_hood35]

At a 420 convention in Las Vegas back in 2011 all the head shops that had booths were giving out free spice sample packs. I left with a huge bag full and that day in Vegas changed my life and I'm still recovering from it today. If I could take one thing back from my past it would be that day. This stuff will ruin your life and leave you with lasting side effects that could potentially last the rest of your days.

[@brianjenkinson144]

I’m in the same boat my friend

[@marcuslee7868]

What still affects u family? Please We let me kno I’m so curious please!!!

[@brianjenkinson144]

@@marcuslee7868 bad mental health issues my friend

[@josheubanks4266]

I smoked spice as a replacement for marijuana for two years and it changed me mentally. Not long after I stopped at developed severe anxiety and I’ve had mental health problems ever since

[@russellsimien7936]

@josheubanks4266 So sorry to hear that. Spice is on a whole notha lvl

[@josheubanks4266]

@@russellsimien7936 appreciate it brother

[@briang7392]

You should try cbd. Might help.

[@mr.peanut1281]

What sort of metal problems? Are you related to Drew ?

[@josheubanks4266]

@@mr.peanut1281 Drew Eubanks of the Phoenix Suns? No I do not believe I am but after I got off of Spice I have been dealing with severe Anxiety and depression. Something I’ve been managing with Benzos which has been a battle in itself

[@granddaddy_funk]

I once smoked spice with someone in highschool. He never smoked weed before and he seemed fine after we smoked. Then later we had a class together and he wasn't there. Turned out he had a seizure after we were hanging out. I felt so guilty about it. He is ok btw

[@Ksoism]

I heard yesterday that my friend from our teens has died a while ago. Sweet guy, very gentle and sensitive. He once posted a vid of him doing spice, and it was dumbest shit i have ever seen. He was so proud of it when i confronted him about it, he took a big hit of it on the video and basically just collapsed. Not able to do anything. And at that point, it was his definition of having fun. Didn't remember anything of it. He probably did pretty much everything else too, developed mental problems and the whole deal. None of my friends relatives came to the funeral. Guess they had buried him years ago, when they saw that he is gone, and just uses anyone who sticks around. And they are right. That body that now gave up, didn't have him inside it for years. Such a fucking waste.

[@bobbressi5414]

Who would have thought synthetic weed sold at gas stations and called "Spice" would be dangerous?

[@HeWhoShams]

I smoked spice at 14 and the high and subsequent actions I did were the worst. I felt my vision and motor skills slow to a crawl. I could not think properly. I literally started praying as I thought I wasn't gonna come back, but, I started freaking out when I couldn't remember the word "Amen". I passed out, going through a high that was more of a absolute nightmare. When it was all said and done and I came back to, I had broke the hotels air conditioner, the closet door and was punching my friend in the face as he held me in a headlock. The girl present was freaking out and as I was basically carried downstairs to the parking lot I was puking everywhere. Never again.

[@rachelspeck1230]

I tried it when I lived in Texas and it was the most unpleasant and frightening experience of my life. I could not wait for it to be over. I was so relieved when it finally wore off

[@CunningLingu1st]

My younger brother got in a car accident at 16 and was prescribed Oxytocin. This eventually led him to black tar Heroin years later once he couldn’t get “the old Oxy’s” (before they started being made with a non-water soluble wax based binding agent which made it basically impossible to crush/dissolve to administer intravenously, snorting, etc.) and realized it was also far more potent and cheaper. Fast forward a few more years and he’s now transitioned to Roxie’s/blues/fentanyl. He probably smokes 4-5/day. He told me he’d still never touch Spice/K2 because it’s absolutely terrifying.

[@tjakal]

Puffed that stuff once when handed to me by this weed-enthusiast friend of mine who vouched it was just like the real thing. Stupidest thing I ever did, this was early on before we knew what we known today but I knew better than to trust such compounds. Nothing lastingly bad happened but it threw me into this weird head space of hyper focus and anger directed at nothing in particular and alarmingly elevated heart-rate, pretty much the exact opposite of what happens to me on weed. Realized I was primed to get myself into some real bullshit so I decided to call it and went home and slept if off. I rate zero out of ten kids, never touch.

[@darthmalgus9039]

I always think about spice from Star Wars and Dune and how it was such a dangerous drug they spent so much time trying to eradicate it in multiple parts of the franchise. I can't believe it's a real thing that might be even scarier than the space drug.

[@whatsmolly5741]

.......... except spice in dune literally let's you see the future and makes hectic orgies even better than normal hectic orgies instead of just making you go full schizo mode like our spice does.....

[@killyourego1185]

Mmm, space drugs.

[@Mightydoggo]

"He who controls the spice controls the universe."

[@pronoydutta614]

Spice in Dune was abused to oblivion. Consumption of it for civilians was a grey area, particularly on Arrakis, origin of the substance. On one hand, it facilitated interstellar travel through guild navigators. Those things were humans horribly mutated with over exposure. Mentats used spice to enhance their cognitive abilities. It was used in food and drink. The fremen practically breathed the stuff. It gave prescience to those gifted or engineered for it. It was mysterious. Real world spice is a something else.

[@grantorino2325]

I can't wait to see guys IRL with half-a-mustache!

[@SXDSCXM]

i lost a bestfriend to spice a long time ago. we kind of fell out of touch as it was before smart phone and i had moved but i always hit him up on myspace. he ended up passing away from an od on the stuff and that had more consequences than he could imagine. his mom which i knew really well ended up committing unalive and left his dad and severely autistic brother by themselves. i've never been the same since i found out. i miss him everyday and i hope he's in heaven with his mom seeing all the good shit their loved ones have accomplished. rest in peace anthony (cheeseburger) and to his mom as well. i remeber sitting in the porch with her making fun of neighbors and talking crap. oh man.

[@gaius_enceladus]

A very thought-provoking video. I'm in NZ and I've just started taking CBD (on prescription) for sleep problems. It's obtained from the plant and I'm *hugely* grateful to the company that grows and extracts the CBD and the doctors and nurses who prescribe it. Having now had first-hand experience of taking a weed product, I'm an even stronger fan of legalisation than I was before (and I was super-pro-legalisation even then). At least "the door is open" now, with weed products being legal on prescription, and hopefully it's just a matter of time now before common-sense reigns and cannabis is fully legalised here, as it has been in other places.

[@christiane5984]

Pure CBD is great. You are so right about weed legalization.

[@_mycotroph]

You need CBD on prescription? That's wild. It doesn't cause any intoxication. That's like making cellulose illegal because it's in cannabis. nz and Australia need to get with the times man, get out there and vote

[@caymens604]

I was a prison nurse for one year. One patient came in high on spice. He was chained to the bed because he'd clawed out his own eyes - just bloody holes in his head. He just sat there, staring straight ahead. That's a sight I'll never forget.

[@somervillearron]

Don't talk shite

[@rob3rts666]

That….never happened.

[@caymens604]

it really did. I could write a book about all the crap I saw in that one year. it's Union Correctional Hospital in FL. Let's just say my time working there made me HATE prison guards. way worse than the inmates@@rob3rts666 it was also the most dirty place I've ever worked. Tons of roaches and rats. They let inmates die a lot

[@thepjup4507]

@@rob3rts666 these types of things happens daily in the world. Right now, in your city/town/area, some one is experiencing some horrific traumatizing nightmare the likes of which you could never imagine. I would say welcome to reality, but if you think this is completely fake I am happy you have had such a comfortable and guarded life to not see such horrible things. Stay safe kiddo.

[@scubasteve6175]

@@rob3rts666sounds right out of outlast lmao

[@The_Hairy_Hermit]

I was homeless and took spice because it is a sedative, they just want to forget for a while. Until we fix the issues of mind that attract people to self medication, the hard droogs will stay. Stay safe y'all.

[@prezidenttrump5171]

You'll be homeless again in no time.

[@WyzszaKalibracjaPerspektyw]

Wtf you could v got drunk but decided that shit would be better makes no sense

[@samturner6061]

I remember when it first came out, I got this stuff from ONLINE called Pineapple Express. Rolled a joint, smoked it, came upstairs and no joke, what hit me, felt like I was doing ecstacy - the kind of 'gouging out' paralysis feeling that feels really good but also very uneasy in a way. Barely being able to focus on my phone screen up close. Difficult reading texts. I couldn't off my sofa for 10 minutes straight - it totally blew me away. A friend and I got into it and stayed on it for quite a while, with both of us ending up with lung issues from it.

[@cattmartyr8156]

i was hooked on spice for a good three years. most of which i have almost no recollection of. it’s the only drug that ever had me resorting to stealing from loved ones. i began coughing up black sludge with blood in it and still couldn’t and wouldn’t stop. it took me at least 3 years to feel normal again. spice becoming illegal was the best thing that could’ve happened. otherwise i may have lost my life.

[@MitchellG-kp4xv]

Haha I coughed up black mucus for quite a bit it stopped after I stopped smoking spice I also did it for 2 or 3 years in the end it was just a 5-10 minute high sometimes passing out then just smoking till I got to tired again I got a pound once 16 vacuum sealed bags 1oz each I had it right before/same time smoke shops started selling. Also it was in the AM-2201 days

[@thebrownlow]

do you consider yourself to be a weak person, who knew they were developing a problem, yet took the easy way out and continued to smoke it? or are you going to give me the lame response, 'you were hooked the moment you first took it'? this is a serious question as everyone here seems to blame 'the evil drug' itself rather than take personal ownership of their actions. I am sure no one was holding a gun to your head.

[@cattmartyr8156]

@@thebrownlow oh for sure. i was coping in a seriously unhealthy way. i take responsibility for it. but i ask you, with this question, are attempting to be helpful are hurtful?

[@thebrownlow]

@@cattmartyr8156 my intent was neither; only you can interpret the way you read things. it was purely out of interest in the topic with some straight talking - man to man. no offence ever meant

[@cattmartyr8156]

@@thebrownlow i don’t blame the drug. it was me, coping terribly in the only way i knew how at the time. therapy has taken me a long way from the person i was and i’m still not out of the woods. recovery is a lifelong journey.

[@Toadaboticus]

Had a coworker who became a friend slowly lost himself due to Spice. He was on house arrest and probation so he would buy it on his way home at a gas station and over a years time he stopped being himself and slipped into delusion and psychosis. It was hard to watch

[@risinbison1106]

I worked in special education at our local HS when K2 first hit the market. IT felt like overnight this stuff was everywhere and I had kids addicted to it within a months time. I remember kids literally running out to their cars after school and racing over to the local head shop to buy this. My class size dwindled as kids would skip school and smoke this crap all day. Thank God our local city council took action and basically banned it. It was still available but was not as easily available as it had been.

[@sarahbell8886]

My grandmother's neighbor took it, and he walked into my grandmother's house asking her to help him find his way home.....he lived directly across the street. It was spice, but they called it something else.

[@Xayver1082]

I heard of people having seizures, manic episodes, psychosis and I knew I never wanted to try it. So very very glad I didn't

[@NicoleZXO]

They did I’ve seen it

[@johnnylego807]

Original first Generation of spice actually had a safety profile, and was relatively safe too the users (I know it sounds crazy) there wasn’t many reported adverse effects. Where things got BAD is when they Banned it, making the chemists making this stuff go back too the drawing board and end up slightly changing the chemical structure too make it legal again. This chemical change led to unpredictable effects and all kinds of craziness, leading too the epidemic we have today, as these newer substances have no safety profile, if anything the opposite.

[@rainred2540]

Jwh-018 was amazing, everything after that was trash.

[@antonpoweryoyoyo]

I grew up in a small town in Sweden. When the weed was empty we had to go with the second option spice. I was already sensitive of weed so when I smoked spice it felt like an instant psychosis.

[@SnowWolfK9]

Today I tried some spice, literally 4 puffs and let me tell you I will NEVER EVER do it again and I urge anyone and everyone to never try it. I actually thought I was dying. I lost my vision and before you know it I was on the floor hallucinating. It was the most devastating experience I have ever gone through. Do not underestimate it and be careful I tried my utmost best to snap out of it and come to, but I just couldn't and had to endure the whole room spinning in circles with a feeling of something heavy pressing hard down on my chest for almost 2 hours.

[@Zombie_Chess]

I've seen it first hand, while doing volunteer work at a outreach centre for homelessness how bad spice can (and often) gets. This drug is evil

[@nwvfd22]

Firefighter here, once took a run for an EMS call of a possible overdose. Arrive on scene and it's pandemonium in the residence. A groups of 20 somethings found a bag of Spice and thought it would be funny to spike some kids drink. They started to feel ill and shortly after they fell unresponsive and combative. They broke a fever of 106. Paramedic immediately sedated them and hauled ass to the hospital. Had some friends in the ER keep me posted. They called for a helicopter but the flight service denied the trip as the patient was still combative getting on 2 hours after arrival. They were kept sedated as much as possible and still had a fever of 106. When the shift ended the last update I got was they had tried once more to see if they were responsive, but they were not. They still had a fever of 100+ so any hope of surviving let alone being normal was zero. This was my first introduction to Spice. That night I learned Spice and other synthetics are not to be f*cked with, no other words will do I'm afraid. Not even once.

[@linac5804]

I remember buying almost a pound of it as a senior in high school from a head shop the night before it went illegal. They just sold all of it to me for 10c on the dollar. We split it up among my friend group, but after seeing how we’d always be in a fit of rage while coming down, most of us stopped using it. My girlfriend collapsed after smoking it and I never touched it again. Had no idea how close to death we all got.

[@JDG602]

About 14 years ago when I was 19 I knew a huge amount of people who smoked spice including myself. This was when it was sold at any smoke shop for dirt cheap. It was commonly known as a great alternative to weed and no one had a clue of the dangers. It was especially popular with people on probation for marijuana possession since it was completely undetectable when they were drug tested. I feel lucky nothing terrible happened although I did have some odd experiences especially when I quit. My self-awareness was distorted, time perception was totally off, confusion and felt like my brain was vibrating. Crazy, scary way to feel. Fortunately, no one I knew ever died from it or anything like that.

[@KoryBrooks]

I tried it one time back in 2007 because my friend and I were enlisted in the military and it wasnt tested for. I smoked enough for a head change and stopped. I was sitting in my friends kitchen and he left the kitchen shortly after, and I felt like I was staring at a cabinet for a couple of minutes, then stood up and went home because I didnt like it. In reality, I was sitting there for a few hours staring at a cabinet before I came off of it and decided to go home. I realized it after looking at the time when I got in my car. Neither of us smoked anymore after that, but Im just speaking for myself on that.

[@magickmarck]

This is what marijuana prohibition gets us: random, unregulated black market drugs that are far more dangerous than the thing people use them in place of.

[@Hebdomad7]

Alcohol prohibition is the big reason spirits and other high alcohol content drinks became popular. It became difficult to snuggle barrels of beer, so people turned to bottles of whisky and vodka which was easier to snuggle.

[@TwoBs]

Sort of … But at the same time, this is just what drug culture is regardless what is legal or not. It’s the act of chasing a high that will replicate or be felt more than their first time getting that way … Just about everyone I have ever known (as a former drug user and heavy addict myself - 8 years sober now), most people chasing drugs started with marijuana … and whether it was legal or not didn’t matter or contribute in any way with what they sought after next. Didn’t matter if weed became legal the next day after their first time trying, they were going to want to find the next thing that could replicate that first time feeling or give them a “different” feeling. A lot of the people (outside of cases where it’s some young kid getting their hands on it somehow) using spice aren’t exactly turning to it because weed isn’t 100% legal. I know people who could her their hands on marijuana just fine, but still turn and do stuff like spice because they _heard_ it can give them a way better “buzz” at a much cheaper price.

[@Gekkoid]

@@TwoBs while I get what you're saying, so many people would never have taken spice to begin with if weed was just legal.

[@TooLameToDie]

Weed is perfectly legal in my area and loads of people still smoke spice.

[@herbalterrorist420]

@@Gekkoid it goes waay deeper than that just think if it wasn’t for prohibition and greed that professor would have never made synthetic cannabinoids as there would have been no reason or need for them as they could and should have used natural plant based phyto-cannabinoids instead for medical use as they are much more effective than synthetic ones even when compared to the same cannabinoid like natural thc vs synthetic thc like marinol. Had there been no stigma or any negativity associated with the high from thc or other cannabinoids there would be no reason to experiment in synthetic versions. there would be no need to make synthetic versions that could be patented if natural ones where used instead and greed and profit didn’t come first. Both prohibition and the pharmaceutical industries greed and rampant need for bigger profits have really screwed us over and made us loose out on a whole load of amazing potential medical treatments the cannabis plant could provide for many different illnesses etc all because it’s deemed “not profitable”. it’s why they are no longer researching cannabinoids for use in anti cancer treatments when the natural ones showed massive amounts of potential because synthetic ones do not work the same and natural ones aren’t as profitable. (There’s a research paper online that literally states this.) so corrupt and fucked up that money comes before finding a potential cure/treatment for anything especially cancer.

[@victoriaeads6126]

Fear is the mind killer....or maybe it's the spice.

[@thejudgmentalcat]

Dune was a thinly-veiled drug PSA

[@captainspaulding5963]

The spice must flow.......

[@AliceBowie]

Stick to the juice of sapho. The thoughts acquire speed the lips acquire stains the stains serve as a warning it is by will alone I set my mind in motion.

[@rubiconnn]

@@thejudgmentalcat The worst PSA ever. "If you take spice you'll become omnipotent. You'll be able to see the future, think faster than a computer and have impossible fast reflexes. Don't do it"

[@angelbabies7]

Just look at your average navigator. That's warning enough.

[@jasonkosinski153]

Thanks for you work on all channels

[@roninnder]

When he said, “a £10 packet could get you high for a week,” my American brain heard: “a 10 lb. packet could…”

[@InAHollowTree]

Same, lol!

[@TheAsheybabe89]

I heard that too till he said 50P afterwards. My first thought was "shit must be weak as fuck if 10lbs only lasts for 1 week" 😂

[@matthewladd3427]

I tried spice once just after high school, a friend had gone to the head shop to buy a bong and they gave him a packet of it for free so we went home and mixed it with some weed and I took the very first hit of it and it was the worst experience of my life I was begging my friends to kill me telling them I would live on with them in spirit and all kinds of shit, it felt like I was in a continuous state of paranoia and then I threw up so much it blew all the plaque between my front teeth out and I felt so sick. Haven't touched the stuff since it was absolutely terrible.

[@dormantlime215]

I tried spice as a legal alternative when it was a big new thing, and my god. Myself and everyone I've ever known to have tried it have had the most HORRENDOUS, some of the *scariest* experiences we have ever had from a substance. I can absolutely attest to it causing heart/bloodflow issues, intense paranoia, serious sensory disturbances ("stop motion" vision/other visual disturbances, feeling like being pulled in every direction like putty), and really fucked with your lungs. Everyone was coughing up weird shit, having a harder time breathing, etc. The marketing was one of two styles; some would claim it was a "potpourri" thing, that you shouldn't smoke it, etc... but the packaging was clearly for something they hinted at being for smoking. Then there was the second style, with their full chest claiming it is a legal alternative and a perfectly harmless blend of herbs. Thankfully myself and my direct circle of friends were smart enough to start off with small doses and stopped when things got weird... but so so many were not that lucky.

[@TronBonneVonne]

Smoking anything fucks with your lungs. This is no exception.

[@dormantlime215]

@@TronBonneVonne Yeah, not shit. They weren't made to process combusted material. But smoking certain things can do more damage more quickly than others, and that is a known fact.

[@natashamaddox3117]

I was in active addiction when the rat poison batch made it to Illinois. We all still kept going and only bought from old plugs whom we'd been going to for the longest. It was sold mainly on the street and the stores had what seemed to be clean bags.

[@ScootsMcPoot]

I remember when the original k2 came out. It was almost like a real thc high just more panicy. But things got weird after they kept banning it. I started using it because of probation. Stopped pretty fast. Had horrrrrrible panic attacks.

[@ZijnShayatanica]

IDK if it was K2 or Scooby Snax but I remember it having a weirdly metallic taste, like when you smoked weed through a metal pipe or a soda can, & it made my head feel like it was buzzing. Ugh, it was the absolute worst... Brain static, vertigo, & intense paranoia. Just one hit was even worse than when I've greened out & I'm VERY SENSITIVE to THC as it is.

[@colewilliams9432]

Spice was huge from around 2009-2012. You could get it at most gas stations and there were plenty of shops that sold nothing but spice

[@Froseph707]

Thank you for this. That evil garbage stole two years of my life, along with my ability to sleep more than 2 hours at a time or retain body heat and any math skills I had above elementary level. Still don't know what effect it will have on my lifespan.