Christine Nkonge- It's Not Illegal To Identify As LGBTQ in Kenya

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Christine Nkonge, Executive Director Katiba Institute
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[@rawtation]

It is true that when you dwell on a subject then it becomes it becomes a Norm. So that the best way is not to give it airtime

[@blessyqueen1741]

Stop sugar coating call them homosexuality or mashoga

[@georgeodhiambo598]

@@blessyqueen1741 You are the one who is under-informed. Homosexuals are just one part of that group. There are lesbians, or female homosexuals if you prefer. There are bi-sexuals. These are heterosexual people and even have "normal" families, but they still sneak out to their homosexual partners to satisfy their homosexual fantasies, Then there are trans-gender characters. It is said that they are people who think they are in the body of the wrong gender! I am not certain about what the other ones stand for, but calling all of them homosexuals would be misleading.

[@ChaineOrel]

and that is how you "normalize" genocide, dehumanization, nazism, dictatorship. "not to give it airtime" means "hide the truth so they don't know about it, so they don't know they are humans, and that they matter, so that we get no resistance, to ease the one sided massacres". You have to "dwell on a subject" to teach yourself, to open your eyes to the truth, to get rid of the hateful illusions you care about.

[@alexandermeans364]

As an American there is a pattern. Once we were done with taking land from natives we told other countries stop taking land. When we were done with slavery we told the world its unacceptable, after we built our nuclear arsenal we told other dont do it, when we accepted homosexuality when tell other they should also. I pray countries like Kenya have the strength to stay true its own values and not feel lesser because of their values. Wonderful discourse.

[@mochipickles]

Intelligent thoughts followed you everywhere, but you were faster

[@ChaineOrel]

yes, because they started all of the hate, so they are telling them to stop the hate they tought them to do. This hate toward gay people and such were also tought by white people What Africans call traditional values today is just what white people came and tought them. It is those "traditional values" they used to overthrow Africa and got Africans to participate in the great racism movement: the triangular trade. Africans before white people were reputed to hate nobody. White people, in order to ease their hate, invented illusional excuses such as rewriting bible to "justify" all their hate, and many. They tell them to give up on all of it, because they started it. We still talk about those dark times because it is still active today, like in Africa. Africa is one place they had not been scraping since. Now look at them still cherishing slavery culture. When you say everytime that africa is still poor and do barely any advancement, that is due to all this deshumanizing traditions they refuse to give up on. They don't know their own history and values before white people, 400 years of traditional slavery made them "good slaves". Now, not living as a slave is against their slavery values, for them.

[@jessiebirungi4512]

Alot of sense in here 👏👏👏

[@wayando]

It may not illegal to call yourself a rapist ... But it's illegal to try and form an NGO to promote rape, and try and introduce rape into the academic system.

[@YahwehBYBYahweh]

I also want to say that the USA is promoting transgenderism, which is totally unnatural. Also, they are beginning to promote pedophilia.

[@John-qr4kf]

If you were not aware,it will be known that it will be illegal to even dare identify. And mark my words,the moment the Kaluma bill is passed,and it will,finally the rain that will fall in our land will be a sign that we have finally decided to go Gods way.

[@lugaritzbrown2250]

a god whose existence cant be proven.

[@John-qr4kf]

@@lugaritzbrown2250 One day you will come to know of His existence,if not in this World,then in the next,and unfortunately it will be too late for you.

[@lugaritzbrown2250]

@@John-qr4kf very usuual of religion to use fear and such manipulation,death is a natural biological phenomenon,i wish religion could heal covid then atleast it would be believable.

[@John-qr4kf]

@@lugaritzbrown2250 Covid was there for a purpose. To aweken us spiritually. And fear is your friend,not an enemy,otherwise all of us would have walked to hell blindly.

[@njoroge2061]

MPIGS wanogopa kuipitisha watakua sanctioned so mujipange

[@haroldonditi7081]

This woman is one of them. No doubt !!

[@danomyte67]

So?

[@ronaldodyra5799]

Ujinga wapeleke Europe n US

[@cobinziyech]

Thank You for seeing it too

[@adammohamedkasai8675]

She's a lesbian

[@mpendaamani1332]

True.We cant be swayed into accepting western culture.African traditions prohibits that

[@alexandermeans364]

Be careful and mindful Kenya, these organizations are not just to discuss hardships but more so to identify like minds, organize, and galvanize. about 40 years ago God revealed this era to me and I literally watched it unfold as it is now doing in your country. I will prayer for your governmental institutions, our government eventually went against the will of the people.

[@otienoroberts]

This whole hullabaloo is a waste of time. If the government can register an association by the name "rapists association of kenya" as a legitimate organization if the applicants for the registration claim that they merely want to advocate for the rights of reformed rapists, then by all means they should register the LGBTQ association. Because as things stand, rape is a crime, in the same way that Gayism and Lesbianism is also a crime. So hii kizungu mingi is a waste of time and should have been thrown out at the level of the high court. This nonsense should not have even gone beyond the high court.

[@waynewayne8419]

This is why we need courts, people like you don't even understand sentences let alone law provisions

[@otienoroberts]

@@waynewayne8419 did you yourself understand what I said? Stop projecting your daftness on to other people.

[@u-know-this]

How is registration promoting a behavior. We have a smokers organization doe that promote and recruit smokers? Gay people are not recruited they already exist and perform their preferences.

[@otienoroberts]

@@u-know-thisA hypothetical rapists organization would also not be promoting rape, but such a name for an organization would be deemed inappropriate on account of the fact that rape is a crime under our laws. The same thing can be said of homosexuality and lesbianism. Smoking is not a crime so the example you have given doesn't make sense with regard to the point I was making.

[@otienoroberts]

@@u-know-this and just to be clear, I am not denying their existence even though the act itself is illegal, after all, you can not police morality. But that doesn't mean they should be given legal recognition because the act is still against all our collective cultures as Kenyans. Prostitution is illegal and has been known to be illegal since independence. And although the illegality of prostitution has not hindered the trade much, the fact that it is still illegal ensures that certain boundaries of social behavior are not outrightly crossed. The same goes for lesbianism and homosexuality.

[@alexandermeans364]

Answering the question of identifying as homosexual but not yet engaging in act. Yes! I teach in high school in the USA and have students that began thinking they were homosexual as early as 5th grade having not committed any acts yet but having a mind to commit acts at some point. Some of these students went on to commit acts while others changed and committed heterosexual acts.

[@andeyo1]

It means it is a choice

[@balancedviewpoint7418]

If you form an association of certain category that promotes that which is illegal or immoral in societal view Nkonge, how then can their acts be(intimate conduct) be regulated? "Can someone be identified as homosexual and not engage in the act of gaysm?" Nkonge can you be candid on that with clarity? My view is, you cannot legalise a group that engage in a certain illegal activity and manage to monitor their activity. Talk of blowing cold and hot air at the same time. Criminal gangs engage in illegal activities, fact. Now, criminals meet and apply to NGO counsel to be registered as a recognised criminal gang but Nkonge tells us, after registration they could not engage in criminal activity which in the first place was the driving force to form such association!! Gangsters should be treated as human beings by all means Christine, because it is a fact, but creating an association of GANGSTERS "can't be allowed. If prostitutes in Kenya come together and say they want to register an organisation to manage their affairs and rights, will it be registered by NGO board? I leave it to you to conclud including Christine herein. All individuals must be treated equally but our Constitution and law must regulate those individuals conduct in day-to-day lives. But nonetheless Christine you are sharp and eloquent in your articulation 👏. I can easily hire your services as my attorney.

[@janaleokesho8374]

We know more Kenyans have been recruited into these.once an entity is registered it will recruit more and more

[@FelixMwendia-zb6pd]

How are they bieng recruted?

[@waltermwaria3234]

Please invite postor T for more discussions.

[@ladysafari01]

And Pastor Martin Ssempa of UG....

[@davidokoth5614]

We do not need women in Leadership positions.

[@ronlaw3305]

It is an interpretation issue of the Law.If being LGBT is criminalize then even an association to promote issues thereof is illegal.We cannot associate to promote an issue that is already illegal.

[@samuelkahiu2758]

You should watch what is a woman by Matt Walsh and see were we are heading.

[@ishengomanelson]

It is not acceptable, period!

[@KenLwenyi]

What the Lawyer and courts are saying is that its legal to register any association as long as you arent cought in the act itself. So after LGBTQ gets registered next it will be Alshabaab Association in Kenya, or Bandits association or Mungiki association or Sungusungu and all other proscribed groups… AsLong as they arent caught and proven guilty of doing the act of association

[@anneekiru5071]

True, infact Alshabab will say they are unfairly arrested. All criminals will have justifiable reasons to associate.

[@georgeodhiambo598]

What do you mean by the act of association? Registration of the association is required for them to register their members, open and operate bank accounts, maintain financial records, solicit for and receive funds for their operations, etc. What's illegal is the act of two or more members engaging in acts of sexual perversion. Secondly why should it matter to me what two consenting adults are engaged in within the privacy of their bedrooms if they are not invading my space or stepping on my toes? There are too many people invading my space and stepping on my toes everyday for me to start prying into the privacy of other people's bedrooms. I should be able to find for myself other beneficial activities instead of prying into other people's bedrooms.

[@njoroge2061]

Sielwei how can you register something that is illegal

[@nancyhunja915]

You are called after what you do so the argument does not hold.

[@alexandermeans364]

I think the question is the same as it is here in America. Do you trust the wisdom of your founders and what do you think your founders would say if they were alive today?

[@charlesmazigo8106]

I can't agree at all,we in tz we are amazed,how this can happen in a majority christian country

[@njoroge2061]

Wacha kujifanya munafanya hizo tabia ki chini chini Kenya isnt the exception

[@charlesmazigo8106]

@@njoroge2061 off course tunafanya kichinichini because we know it is not a right thing 2 do.that is the difference

[@anthonyndungu5431]

Wengi wetu hatujakubaliana na uamuzi wa mahakam kuu,Ile suluhisho ilio baki ni kubadilisha katiba kuhusu Hilo swala.

[@lisayasmine1283]

How safe is our boarding schools and universities? After all said and done, we are doomed as a nation

[@u-know-this]

When were they safe?

[@nationalist_ke8200]

very sad state of affairs

[@edwardobuya3892]

Kwisha sisi

[@edwardobuya3892]

Kwisha sisi

[@mwendapoleee]

This things started long time ago and some kids don't know whats going on.I was maybe 11 or 12 we had what we called "darlings" it is in a girls boarding school me i thought why not but this girl was a day scholar and used to bring me food and for a boarder i didn't refuse though i was confuced now i think it was not mere friend ship only i was just ignorant wat i was getting into the relationship died a natural death cause i would say delivered from these feelings and it happened to me severally in girls schools which were missionary schools and boys or men were almost forbidden but in one goverment school we were allowed to mingle with boys so i think this relationships with fellow girls.

[@blessyqueen1741]

We need a president like museveni in kenya.not like ruto who is greedy for Money

[@kipnarration5043]

Huyu takataka ni member

[@Luciakilyu]

Huyu mwanamke ni bure sana

[@georgeodhiambo598]

Demonstrate that you are any better by putting forth a credible argument. She has put forth hers. Where's your line of thought apart from throwing around baseless statements?

[@lugaritzbrown2250]

The issue of LGBTQI is about lack of awareness of our sources of morality.

[@kwekuegyirdadzie3284]

After thousands of years of human existence?

[@lugaritzbrown2250]

@@kwekuegyirdadzie3284 i could rephrase...having conflicting sources of morality.

[@alexandermeans364]

The aspect of this law relating to colonization is irrelevant. Africans across the continent, since it was known as Alkebulan have been in opposition to homosexuality. It is the one commonality of all African nations and kingdoms for 4,000 years.

[@victoriajane5106]

Prayers of Liberation should be done by uprooting and casting out this wicked evil spirit destroying human beings and marriages . Read Genesis 6:1-7, Rom. 1:18 - 32 the anger in the mind of God. And God expects us a align ourselves in righteousness in marriage and be found Righteous by that time like Noah

[@rukuwangaracu]

the issue here is engaging in it not association or human rights and dignity

[@pinyliet7791]

A wise man or woman keeps his or her affairs circumspect. We should keep away from taboo topics in African cultural context.

[@lugaritzbrown2250]

you dont solve problems by ignoring them.

[@pinyliet7791]

@@lugaritzbrown2250 it is extremely foolish to discuss your sexual preferences in broader public, trying to create a non existent problem.

[@lto4827]

@@pinyliet7791 Well that’s not how sexual assault on tea fields will be solved.

[@pinyliet7791]

@@lto4827 the topic is LGBTQ not sexual assault, penal code and criminal law deals extensively with such undignified human behaviour and personal conduct.

[@lto4827]

@@pinyliet7791 While Indians are walking over indigenous Kenyans…

[@anneekiru5071]

LGBTQ promoter cornered! Well done presenters. It's not going to happen in our country

[@georgeodhiambo598]

What's not going to happen? Cases of sexual perversion are rampant in the country! It has been happening for decades.

[@newempire158]

@@georgeodhiambo598Here you go again trying to defend this disgusting bs. Yeah and ya’ll will keep on doing that wicked sh!t in the darkness but not public (we won’t allow that sh!t). “But there is nothing [so carefully] concealed that it will not be revealed, nor so hidden that it will not be made known.” ‭‭ Luke‬ ‭12‬:‭2‬

[@LearnSwahiliFastBeginners]

This debate is lit,

[@wayando]

But it's the wrong thing. We shouldn't be giving nonsense airtime

[@georgeodhiambo598]

@@wayando Then what are you doing here? Get something else to keep yourself busy with.

[@nevilleokumu7885]

This is a more reasoned debate on this issue compared to the one you held with Kaluma.

[@naz7759]

Kaluma is an opportunistic joker... If you want to know the truth, look keenly into the amendment bill he sponsored about the marriage act...what he said in public and what ended up in the actual bill were like chalk and cheese... 😬😬

[@bryanotieno7106]

Indeed, yesterday was not worth to watch at all

[@MaverickAoko]

Why would we be giving such barbaric conversations airtime in the first place? Nauseating

[@ronaldodyra5799]

Hii ukumbafu does not need to be given airtime, our constitution is clear. Hii mambo is from the west so wazungu waendele na Ujinga wao. Kiafrika we don't give kwa upuzi kama huu

[@georgeodhiambo598]

@@ronaldodyra5799 Even our constitution is based, to a large extent, on western values. Mwafrika, where and for how long will you hide?

[@noble-exploits]

Amazed at the blatant contradiction of terms : to IDENTIFY WITH simply means BE A PART & PARCEL OF!!!!a product of ( by choice or generation)...so this pedestrian talk , needs to present validity to warrant any attention ....if any

[@balancedviewpoint7418]

Having this LGBTQ conversation with a Sober mind without confrontation and or negative mindset from both parties might make everyone understand it then decide on way forward. Recognition that they exist is a natural right thing but engaging in their activities is where the big issue is if you may.

[@pedrozjoshua2319]

Satanic

[@MaverickAoko]

Why the fuck should they exist in the first place?

[@edwardobuya3892]

Sin sin sin period

[@danomyte67]

@@MaverickAoko because we are normal people too

[@georgeodhiambo598]

@@edwardobuya3892 If you were to list what constitutes sins, it would take you a year and beyond. Homosexuality and lesbianism aren't the only sins.

[@believingforgiving5350]

What of Uganda colonised by the Germans....not British,Polish

[@officialkanyau]

What are you even talking about? Uganda became a British protectorate in 1894 and they were colonized by Britain until 1962.

[@alexandermeans364]

If there any reason to have fear it should be based on the fact that the disease rate in the homosexual community is at epidemic proportions thus perpetuating and exacerbating this lifestyle increases disease in any society which means a greater burden on any society communally and economically.

[@nuwabinedenis6820]

What is the purpose of association, what do you intend to achieve from the association!

[@georgeodhiambo598]

You will register members, operate an account, solicit for and receive funds to carry out administrative operations, etc. You can't open a bank account in the name of an unregistered association, neither can you receive funds in the name of such an association.

[@nuwabinedenis6820]

@@georgeodhiambo598 and members for what?! Improve agriculture, grow the economy or population?!

[@georgeodhiambo598]

@@nuwabinedenis6820 Members for advocating for the interests of LBGTQ! What else are we discussing?

[@choyv]

@@georgeodhiambo598.... The questions are rhetorical. It is implied that there is nothing of value/substance in these perverse associations/organizations, but that they only spread depravity. It is not the same as other organizations that actually contribute something of value to society. Discernment matters. 🛡🛡🛡🛡🛡🛡🛡

[@georgeodhiambo598]

@@choyv "it is implied..."! Who has implied? There are two sides to any debate. Listen to both before you judge.

[@Lerian_V]

Allow them association but toughen up the laws against engagement and promotion of such unnatural acts. They should associate under the assumption that they are not acting on their inclinations.

[@alexandermeans364]

I disagree that it is about fear. That is what is always used by those that push the agenda. "Homophobic" I don't think illegal drugs are good right but I am not Illegal drug phobic". This case is looking citizens in the eyes and asking them what their values and morals are. Values and morals are on the pedestal of judgement both personally and societally.

[@stephennganga340]

Why is this lady so zealous to support sin? there should not even be such debate about this things, it is a sin, period!

[@georgeodhiambo598]

She is from Khatiba Institute which is an organization that strives to explain and simplify the law to lesser beings like you. She is the face of her organization. Just get in touch with these fellows and step into their studio and expound on your alternative interpretation of what that Supreme court ruling entailed. Kaluma has also been here to expound on his stance.

[@stephennganga340]

@@georgeodhiambo598 it's ok

[@mcsal5929]

Insightful;looking forward to the other disciplines interviews the medics,psychologists.South Africa is just on another level on L.G.B.T.I.Q.A ++ you should just listen to "transgender individual".

[@oseebarose79]

Same to Kenya for disappoint you Africa and God.

[@believingforgiving5350]

What name is now been registered is it lgtbq or lgtbqi

[@mcsal5929]

@faithpallangyo5350 it keeps on evolving Lesbians,Gays,Bisexuals,Intersexuals,Queenstown +++++

[@edwardobuya3892]

We should rethink about the supreme court role in our country

[@Rev_Blanket]

Within the African context, the mere mention of LGBTQ+ is limited to Homosexuality and Lesbianism. Any other subject within LGBTQ+ is regarded as a taboo. More enlightenment on the issue is necessary.

[@anthonyndungu5431]

The alphabet people have caused alot of mayhem in America,they now say that men can become pregnant and women can impregnate other women,thus man let's say John can wake up in the morning and say that he feels he is a woman and now henceforth he is to be known as Joan,he should be granted access to women facilities,compete against women in sports but does that make him a woman That's the absurdity that is being seen in the west in the name of minority rights,the Supreme Court does not know this but they have just opened a Pandora's box,we are soon going to experience this delusions and insanity in our society

[@ageemo9352]

Which Kenya??? Just because Kenyans have been tolerant does not mean it is nor illegal. Soma constitution ya Kenya dada.

[@Polka_254]

Allow freedom to smoke weed!!!

[@mutukuboniface3463]

next time bring an anthrupologists, psychologists

[@elizaphannjuguna9517]

Who FUNDS Katiba Institute? Gay and Lesbian organizations.

[@janeayako5231]

They always twist every thing

[@njoroge2061]

Ivio ndio kunaendaga mkiallow wanawake kulead

[@marydanbauchi3308]

The law of God and the law of cultural norms of a nation should not be trade with human rights or democracy . He about the right of those who don't believe in it,? Hw about the abomination that will come in to the land? As far as I am concerned if they want to go with their own beliefs and conviction they can keep it to themselves but not to legalize it . We Will not descriminate them but they should stay away from our future generations. We are all siners but not all doing Abominable things

[@creativebuildsrb89]

This is us against sodom and gomora - MP Kaluma. The sodomites are here

[@fahmyayoob5775]

MAHAKAMA KUU NI WATUMWA WA WAZUNGU. WAENDE KUISHI ULAYA.

[@bonfacemarube6196]

She heads an organization majorly donor funded hence need to tread carefully with her responses not to injure their ego. To that extent am not surprised on her position much as she seems not to believe on what she's defending.

[@njoroge2061]

Yes i did a background search on it TRUE

[@adammohamedkasai8675]

Homosexuality remains as a crime under the law of Kenya. Simple as that.

[@dominicruriga5866]

Our people are too hungry and poor to be gays. Those are rich people problems.

[@evancejohn1294]

Exactly,100% I agree with you bro

[@pedrozjoshua2319]

This idea of registering LGBTQ association is vry dangerous once registered they r going start registering members straight away , cauz they r aware Kenyans r in desperate stuetion right now

[@u-know-this]

So I f i register a Luo organization Luos will comeup from thin air and join the organization? We need to think like we went to school

[@officialkanyau]

@@u-know-this I swear Kenyans are extremely ignorant. I read that comment and it made me realize that I underestimate just how ignorant people are.

[@georgeodhiambo598]

What desperate situation are Kenyans in that would lead to people forming a bee-line to the offices of that association? There is nothing new about sexual perversion in society. We come across it even in the days of Lot in the Bible. Gid created the world to be a mixture of Good and Evil, so that human beings are called upon to choose. Appreciation and joy of Good can only be felt if one is acutely aware of the pain that comes with Evil. The beauty of Light is loudly felt when one is aware of the sadness of darkness. Etc, etc, etc. It is a part of the grand divine design. Therefore, fear not the presence of LGBTQ, after all they gave been there from Lot's days. But instead take up the challenge to fortify your children/family with divine wisdom to be able to face realities of life and choose wisely. Such are the qualities that will trample over social challenges in the offing.

[@lugaritzbrown2250]

@@u-know-this it is very easy to debunk homophobes.Their only refuge is archaic religious texts.

[@anthonyndungu5431]

Right now the alphabet agenda is the inthing in the west everyone is dying to join the bandwagon when you have the President of the United States the driving force for acceptance of the alphabet agenda in his country and in the world how much money and funding will be thrown at Africans to normalise the alphabet agenda.

[@bikokamau1511]

✊🏿🇰🇪we also want to register NGO Called MUNGIKI na KENDA KENDA....bcoz this lady is evil na wako wengi...waah...pure evil..rotten to the bone nd soul....ata sisi tunataka associations pia....

[@pro-Russia]

True

[@ashleykerubo6053]

Remove our prestigious flag from your violent comment Biko Kamau.

[@ashleykerubo6053]

"'On 12 July 2007 Kenyan authorities reported that MUNGIKI decapitated and mutilated the body of a two-year-old boy, possibly as part of a ritual."'

[@bikokamau1511]

@@ashleykerubo6053 What do you think will happen when they catch Lgbt another rapist organisation.....we want our criminal organisation back also...

[@georgeodhiambo598]

Stop being reactive. Just apply for registration. Then if you are denied registration then go to court.

[@fancytulula9537]

Being paid dirty money! Tamaa tu!

[@jenniferngure1136]

Keep on misleading Kenyans.

[@trutharchaeologist]

How does mankind think, God said no what makes some human think that this is normal

[@georgeodhiambo598]

God said no to very many things. Even Supreme court has not said yes to it. What Supreme court has ruled on is whether they may associate or not. And it has ruled that they have a right to associate. Abd do bear in mind that Kenya is not a theocracy. We are guided by the constitution.

[@victoriajane5106]

Allowing this to be a constitutional right it will attract servere and dangerous judgment like Turkey, Syria, Japan etc earthquake

[@mouricelikhanga]

But let's read the Bible first before we debate , what does God say about this issue?

[@georgeodhiambo598]

@@mouricelikhanga Kenya is not a theocracy. It is not based on the bible but guided by the constitution.

[@georgeodhiambo598]

What was allowed in Syria, Turkey and Japan that might make us draw a parallel that if we allow such things then earth quakes will befall us? Did their Supreme Court also rule in favour of association of their LBGTQ members?

[@TrippleBeans]

weuh!

[@dannysengata2298]

I wonder...I wonder unapataje ujasiri wakiongea mambo ya kijinga kama Haya kwenye media

[@nyapetegath409]

pumbavu

[@bernita_b]

i thought the law protects people from all the fears being mentioned by this weirdos like being killed anyhow and we dont'tneed LGBTQ registration to strengthen the law for this minority endangering the moral composition of the majority.....we need to review our moral compass as a nation because without values the nation is endangered. its time we have people who speak outright sio ukoloni mingi ,,,, this whole thing is being speared by people with selfish interest and good influence

[@njoroge2061]

Uyu madam anabonga akiangalia juu kumaanisha anaongea uongo.

[@cytkl]

They are called mentally enslaved fools

[@joyceomboga5906]

You can't be homosexual if you can't engage your self in this UNGODLY manner of sexual acts.

[@lugaritzbrown2250]

what kind of reasoning is that.

[@maluethsantinobolweet6731]

Please you are wasting time! Just remember your children be feed into what you are planning now either wrong or right.

[@CorncropTv]

It is crazy to see how homophobic so many Kenyans are, some of you need to do yourselves a favor and travel somewhere, this countries laws are stuck in the dark ages but that's really no surprise considering the lack of development.

[@pro-Russia]

There are countries that support LGBTQ agenda, people who support it can move there, 99.9% of the country is against LGBTQ agenda

[@danomyte67]

@@unt_folly and that’s a report

[@ladysafari01]

Nobody is hating on the people but the idea of same genders having a romantic relationship is against our culture and God's design...just like you would never hate your child no matter even if they were a thief, love your child but not agree with his behavior. Joseph Kabuleta was spot on in his article " The 6 stages of deception "

[@ladysafari01]

@@ZuriArtia It maybe so,like the perverted Sodom and Gomorrah but The fact is; this was not the Creator's plan. God created Eve for Adam period!

[@ladysafari01]

@@ZuriArtia oh oh....no point in moving on coz we'll be going down the rabbit hole here....the Truth will come out in the end, I'll stick by mine and you stick by yours...🤣🤣

[@cytkl]

Mentally enslaved selfhating africans fools hufuata tu mbeberu kesho wakinja wamwambie mkule mavi zenu mnakula.

[@ambatadancun4508]

Useless argument

[@consigliere254]

This woman is a liar. Her duplicitous nature hasn't gone unnoticed. She initially said she couldn't definitively say what the position of majority of Kenyans is on the issue. Then toward the end of the video, she acknowledges that it is a behaviour that is not widely accepted in Kenya.

[@daniellimo4087]

This NGO was going to open the door for this rubbish

[@georgeodhiambo598]

Not "was" but "is"! The court has issued its ruling and it is in favour of allowing LGBTQ to register their association. Unless that ruling is reviewed, the next port of call will be to register the association.

[@fancytulula9537]

Which views? Whatever you will be talking about is about how you will propagate Lesbian & gaysim!

[@antwainebarkley9765]

For me is not whether is ligal on not its what would be the reaction of kenyans on the streets seeing a grown man in lipstick and bra and a wig thats what am waiting for

[@humphreymarangu7145]

Kaluma come now, this argument is backdoor

[@waltermwaria3234]

These people are not serious at all.

[@annkamau6729]

Too much splitting of air and burying the head in the sand let the penal code also be amended to and make all those unnatural acts legal since no one should be discriminated.

[@edwardobuya3892]

Kwisha abomination

[@ronaldodyra5799]

Sin, period

[@georgeodhiambo598]

The discussion here is not on legal/illegal acts. The discussion is about LBGTQ members gave a right to ASSOCIATE. Supreme court thinks they do. That's the subject before us.

[@ronaldodyra5799]

@@georgeodhiambo598 exactly what the court allowed is what we don't want. Next a gang of thieves will to court n ask to be allowed to form organisation. What you think they we promoting in that organisation. Ujinga hatutaki...

[@georgeodhiambo598]

@@ronaldodyra5799 Are you replying to my comment? I was not commenting on what you want or don't want! I was calling the attention of the person I was responding to, to remain focussed on what was under discussion! Supreme courts rulings are not guided by what you want/don't want. Courts responsibility is limited to interpreting the law. Court rulings don't have to be popular.

[@onyangomoses9591]

This devil talking here is one of them

[@mahadabdi4870]

This woman is one of them. No doubt!!!!

[@wayando]

Ni pesa amepewa likely ... Same behavior as hooking. Selling out yourself because money.

[@allansadia8358]

​@@wayandoThe woman is so intelligent and very beautiful and I like her so much even if she is one of them...What is your problem with homos?

[@richardboaz-mashagospel2346]

She's crazy and idiot indeed. She has kids or relatives kids. I think she don't use the brain may be she uses her ass to think