Spider-Man 2 - Howard Pigeons Emotional Side Mission (4K)

[@DanAllenGaming]

The Song is this Mission is Alessi Brothers - Seabird - kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpjdap5qa9Rqqqssi=StA3EVEbUKjmT-PY

[@joefur2835]

My father’s parrot passed away today and all I could think about is this mission and song. Thank you so much for linking the song , I just sent it to him. I’ve enjoyed your content for years but I don’t believe I ever commented before. So thank you profusely from the bottom of my heart.

[@Joe-fy5dz]

Thank you!

[@Mysterio1412]

When we're flying with Pidgy over the channel with the music it reminded me of curious George movie when they flew with the balloons.

[@maybenexttime8428]

thanks man

[@watant007]

I swear I was expecting a fun pigeon mission and it ended up cutting so deep

[@TrumpsLawyerr]

Same

[@conqueror55]

Same, I never expected anything like this

[@terrezhall3764]

Bro I just completed this as Miles. I was like wtf

[@khaleduddin1692]

I cried for a moment there while doing the mission😢

[@tabaksmolen]

Same

[@DH-ew9op]

I literally just played the mission and I’m in utter tears. Rip Howard we all loved ya lad

[@Ghostyplays53]

Same 😢

[@benjaminpetersen7317]

Ye this is so sad I loved Howard. R.I.P Howard

[@SpencerPhillips-co7sx]

Me too

[@scargod19winter2]

I just finish the mission minutes ago as Miles and i just said “Beautiful.” 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@morgana103]

R.I.P Howard Truly Inspired Us Al pl To Be Greater

[@GriffinWiebel]

So I didn’t know this was a whole mission so when I sat with Howard I just stared at the bay with him for minutes and minutes, taking in the view, the music, and the quiet. No swinging, no fighting, no combo meters. Just staring at some birds across the water. And it was one of my favorite moments in the entire series.

[@WaldoBagelTopper]

Isn’t that crazy? Same here.

[@raccoooooons]

literally same. i didn’t realize you had to look around so i just sat there with him taking in the night sky and listening to the music thinking that was the mission

[@maicooo123]

same here lol it took me a few minutes to realize I had to look around. When the quest ended, I stayed on the same spot just looking at the sea, processing everything that just happened probably one of the best experiences I ever had with a game

[@greenamogus]

No swinging No fighting Just birb birb

[@maxrochon1417]

Same here lol

[@williamcooper007]

"Don't worry, Howard. The flock is free." 😢I just finished the game, and when I finished this side mission, it broke my heart. Rest in peace Howard.

[@OniJoker9]

Bro, out of may and phin and almost Harry this death hurt me the hardest even though it was just a small side character he was with us since 2018 and spiderman was one of the only people who treated him right and even though Howard lost everything he was still the most wholesome

[@williamcooper007]

@@OniJoker9 Yeah, but at least he died peacefully. He's with his wife now.

[@OniJoker9]

@@williamcooper007 that line got to me

[@williamcooper007]

@@OniJoker9 Me too.

[@Sumnerstrain]

How do people finish games this fast

[@KingBookerT1987]

I think Insominac knew chasing pigeons was kind of annoying so they punched us right in the gut with this

[@ChrisXIllustratesXGaming]

I was never upset.

[@ChefCharlesBoi]

I’ll take chasing pigeons over chasing hunter drones any day

[@ShMartinJo]

@@ChefCharlesBoior Screwball.

[@SadikiStGeorgeangemon44]

I was never upset at all

[@devilofgenisis]

@@ChefCharlesBoibro facts, that was prolly one of the worst side quests, that and that one brooklyn visions one … you guys know what i’m talking about … nothing against gay people, a lot of my good friends are gay, but they made that kid way too cringe man

[@PizzaPyrate]

Wasn't expecting a side quest like this from Spider-Man 2. I sat at the dock and watched the water front for a little while afterwards

[@SebastianMartinez-sj4cj]

Same😶

[@christianmcbrearty]

Same

[@rose_d_mary]

beautiful. it really shows what a good person like spiderman is all about; listening to people and being there for them when no one else is. just talking to someone or doing them a favor can mean the world

[@DH-ew9op]

This reminds me of the comics when spider-man hears sandman is in critical condition in the hospital so goes in civilian clothes and his mask and visits him to find out he’s dying and can’t keep himself together anymore. So spidy takes sandman to his fave spot in new York a beach he went to as a child. Spidery never fought him here just talked and listened and even tried to offer help for his condition but sandman told him he appreciates the gesture and even thanks spider-man for treating him like a real human in his final moments. That’s what sets Peter apart from others. His compassion not just to the civilians to help them but his attempt to save and help his enemies even at his own risk. It’s why I hold Spider-Man dear to my heart he’s my childhood hero and a hero to me to this very day into adult hood.

[@NoWayJose24]

Guess that's what makes him a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man

[@onefairyfan87]

@@DH-ew9op I think what made that moment hit so much harder was that Peter was ready to reveal who he was to Sandman, but in one gesture of goodwill from Sandman himself, he didn’t really want to see who Spiderman was, he was fine with never finding out.

[@E-Chap]

Friendly neighborhood Spiderman. 🥲

[@itsjordan1042]

This is the exact reason why I truly appreciate the FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD Spider Man. Not the spectacular, not the amazing, not the ultimate, just the friendly neighborhood.

[@johnathanholmes1297]

I rarely cried... Damn. Who would have guess that by catching all those pigeons in the first game would lead to this. It is beautiful.

[@GrampaJoe]

You’re in for it with the missing grandpa side mission

[@johnathanholmes1297]

@@GrampaJoe Already did. It even have more of an impact cause that is my grandfather current state. He would tried to run away three times and if I didn't follow him... we would never find him.

[@mehiloll]

Yeah this hit way too hard after the first game. I remember struggling to catch those pigeons, but it was always fun, and I enjoyed it. Howard is the GOAT.

[@Stella-3469]

“Don’t worry Howard your flock is free” 😢 That pain in his voice

[@iCxurch2009-_-]

It affected Peter pretty bad since Howard was also his friend

[@sammerscrescent7925]

After playing this and getting my soul absolutely crushed, I came to realization: Howard has been holding Pigeons as fragments of his memories about his wife. Birds symbolize his own soul split into different memories and emotions. But the longer Howard held on to his flying family, the more burden he held on by himself. In certain points, Howard knew he could no longer hold his pigeons hostages. His time was near and he had to let go. So, he divided his soul into pigeons and had Spidey deliver the pigeons to a peaceful place, that way he can also rest in peace. The mission not only shows pigeons moving on, it also shows Howard himself spiritually moving forward. He has transitioned from memories of pain and grief to happiness and inner peace.

[@angry_batman8142]

I always loved Howard's missions for one reason. It shows that Spider-Man isn't some big superhero like an Avenger, he is the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, helping an old person cross the street or talking to a homless in need is the kind of things he does because he is here and will be there for as long as he can. It's a side of the character that many forget about and prefer to just see him in big epic action moments when he's just a friendly guy in a red suit doing the right thing anytime he can

[@E-Chap]

Agreed. That's what makes him so damn likeable. Just a nerdy kid from Queens who happened to accidentally gain superpowers and wants to do the right thing. Same with Miles

[@Elitesolider1023]

I mean, there are all just regular people that just do the right thing.And costumes, even they had moments like this, where they're helping people, which is what makes marvel so g****** special, they don't do it for the fame or the money or whatever they just do it, because it's the right thing

[@WaldoBagelTopper]

I just did this Howard mission. I thought that it was going to be the typical funny/wacky adventure with Howard’s pigeons. Wow. Didn’t expect it to be this emotional. I knew something was up by the way he was talking. RIP Howard 😢

[@G.S.Productions]

Yeah, I almost teared up playing this. Mainly because of the song that was playing while I’m swinging around New York with his pigeons. The song alone almost made me burst into tears.

[@27Bayleefs]

god damn it. Im gonna miss him and all them pigeons =(

[@thenitpickchannel9993]

Same. As I did I was thinking like “wow, these gonna be like a series of funny wholesome missions with Howard? Cuz this is fun!” and then that “Howard? Howard?!” hit me right in the gut

[@Ohm_Kazhbu]

the fact that this game can make me cry over the death of such a seemingly insignificant character just shows how damn perfect this series is with the characters it introduces

[@randomcommenterr]

Nah you better be joking. Howard? Insignificant? Does not fit in the same sentence.

[@Ohm_Kazhbu]

@@randomcommenterr I mean his significance to the plot, he didnt effect the plot once and still had such an impact on me

[@fathimathnabeela6247]

I knew him for only a few minutes, but it felt like we were lifelong friends

[@Justin6400]

Side question should have been rated extreme level difficulty because I am in shambles Emotionally

[@JoshuaPerez-ys7cy]

Howard’s death sits up there next to Arthur Morgan. Going into the mission expecting a pigeon chase and it turned into a waterfall of tears. RIP Howard.

[@goofybad]

This is it. This mission is what being spider-man is all about. Rest in everlasting peace, Howard.

[@MariusBoss11458]

Dave Fennoy making me tear up TWICE! 😭😭😭 First Lee Everett... now Howard...

[@darthdracul8372]

Don’t forget about Lucius fox but yeah, Dave always did know how to make people emotional

[@MariusBoss11458]

@@darthdracul8372 Damn, you're right! I can't forget him! "We really made difference... didn't we, Batman?" 😭😭😭

[@CuhhDiii]

I was about to make that comment right now. He just supposed to die in every game he’s in.

[@thecatmangaming5503]

I love Dave Fennoy and both those characters so much man

[@maisynefrazier1936]

GOD DAMMIT, why’d you have to bring up Lee

[@gamertoyfreddyfnaf]

I think this is what most of the movies of spider man forget and lack peter being you're "Friendly Neighbor Spider-Man".

[@paoerfulone1089]

This and the Grandpa Earl missions got me, man. Those two were easily the best side missions in the game for me. They really hammered home why he’s the FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD Spider-Man. Insomniac just *gets* it!

[@joefur2835]

My father’s parrot passed away today. I could only think about this mission and I sent him the song. He had that bird from 2001 until today. The bird hated everybody but him. Rest in Peace Penny. 7/2001 - 10/22/2023

[@TrumpsLawyerr]

Just played this mission and I'm actually in tears. The memories from first game and miles morales.. Rip Howard man

[@SadikiStGeorgeangemon44]

This mission was so special, had to be done after the city hall mission.. felt like a return to form for Peter

[@nicholaspeters9919]

I’m thinking of having it be the very last thing I mop up on my next playthrough.

[@RileyWritey]

It was the last Peter mission for me

[@FunnyRedemption]

Gliding over the water with a flock of birds around you is literally like a movie scene.

[@azureryuga3931]

I was looking forward to seeing Howard again. Didn't realize it would be the last time. Rest in Peace Howard. Your pigeons are safe in a new home. Have fun on that adventure.

[@XaladraTM]

The second I started talking with him, I knew it was going to end up being that way. Even though it's a game and his characters are not real, still hits just as hard as if they were real people. Fly Free Howard, good luck on your adventures with your wife.

[@SuperRober94]

The freedom of a soul that is at full peace, that’s what I felt when I was flying with the flock, when I realized Howard was at a better place I knew he left with so much peace and that is a true blessing. What a great game T_T

[@morshugriffin976]

This was the very last thing I needed to do for 100% all districts and I’m glad it was the thing I chose to do last. A solemn yet great way to end the game

[@ZeePro-5054]

I plan on doing it last too. Its gonna hurt a lot

[@RealDOMSOM]

Literally just did that too started crying

[@capncooktwd3824]

Bro this was literally my first quest and i did not expect it at all 😭

[@TimTams_64]

This made me so upset i had to stop playing.

[@goonishereva]

Same, dude. I had been recently dealing with the death of a friend. So this hit

[@theboibc0522]

@@goonisherevahope you feeling better

[@galaxybruh9613]

@@goonisherevafeel better man 🫂

[@GojoStiglitz]

Same. I just finished this mission and had to switch to Cyberpunk. I was not expecting a mission like that.

[@PrinceOfKings55]

Same I switched the whole console off and had to take a walk 😢 I was gonna stream again and it took the whole mood out of me

[@SkunkPunk714]

I’m in literal tears after playing this mission. Especially if you played the other 2 games & helped Howard with his pigeons, this one really hits the feels. And when Howard said “Not many folks have been kind to me in life…” that line really got me. He felt like he was another one of Pete’s/Spider-Man’s friend… R.I.P. Howard, we all loved & still love you brother ❤️🖤

[@rustiumsprime9146]

R.I.P Howard 😭😭

[@ellis8426]

Fun fact : Howard's voice actor Dave Ferroy also voiced the Telltale's game The Walking Dead season 1 as Lee Everett, While Peter's voice actor Yuri Lowenthal also voiced the Telltale's game Minecraft Story Mode season 2 as Radar

[@jwarnock291]

I think what hit me even harder during this was the song choice and the fact that it was daytime in the game. So when I hit the triangle button and was soaring alongside the birds, it made me really emotional and happy for a moment. 😢 RIP.

[@the-ironclad]

The fact that I saw Howard dying the moment he was reminiscing his life at the bay and his voice trembling, it still hit me hard. This whole game had me in a roller coaster of emotions.

[@jasonknowsit]

Did he die of illness or did he get killed according to google

[@hsd287]

​@@jasonknowsit some illness of natural causes

[@The_Ultimate_Agent]

⁠@@jasonknowsitYou probably know by now, but he died of natural causes.

[@H1storix]

I just did this mission - Was expecting a few lil chase missions again but then got this short and bittersweet mission! RIP Howard, the best man a pigeon could ask for!!

[@akmalarief3395]

Everything about this side quest is perfect. The voice acting, the music, the swinging with Pidgy’s flock, allusion to the 1st game, the ending. I coincidentally wore the Noir Spiderman suit so it somehow matched the scene. And now…. I’m in shambles.

[@gabinidal6908]

"Don't worry Howard, the flock is free" even spidey's voice was beginning to cry....

[@lex_rodriguez]

I did this mission at night and it seriously hit harder with that setting. Probably my favorite part of the game.

[@flipnote3dgamer112]

Peter may blame himself for not taking Howard not getting medical attention, but we all know he saved Howard's life. He took his time to help him with no reward, always willing to chat, and even so helped him at his end. Something anyone can do but took the plunge and be there to living up his days.

[@ElectricPeaPlayz]

0:30 strange how the mission mark appears on that boat and immedieatly turns off when howard says no... does the same for the other boats mentioned. i like to think peter just immedieatly considers to take him on it before he rejects

[@WHY-FHY]

I thought it was going to be a nice swing around the city with Howard's pigeons... I am in tears, I just finished the side quest. RIP Howard

[@sorakid100]

I was tearing up by the end and then when Spiderman brings up him finally being on an adventure with his wife I totally broke down. Absolutely beautiful mission.

[@batknightchannel8169]

Dave fennoy is perfect for howard ,like He did for Lee in telltale the Walking Dead ,Fox in Batman Arkham Knight. Glad He made his mark in Spiderman ps series too. Plus this mission is very emotional and good for players to encourage them to just stop and enjoy this beautiful virtual world Insomniac created. That's one of few things I love in open world games : We get to be in many worlds with lot of beautiful sceneries. I always take my time to stop at a high /low point just to kick in the views ,whether it's superhero game or not ,as long as I get to be in many worlds while staying at home.❤

[@mohamedalmheiri3736]

What made this so dramatic was the song in the background and it also captured the very essence of Spider-Man’s endearing character .. the way he spoke to Howard as well as how he spoke to the pigeons

[@Spifel]

This is top 3 most emotional Insomniac Spider-Man deaths 😭 this was more emotional that mile's dad dying because we knew howard since the start and we weren't expecting it 😭 when i was in the mission i kept on thinking "hopefully we see howard in the next game" and then he died 💔

[@simoschouz2480]

"Don't worry Howard the flock is free" i felt the pain in his voice 😢

[@Smoking-Green]

I cried when I played this. When he said he was going on an adventure. I knew that meant 2 things he was actually leaving or he was gonna pass on. This mission is very sad and it shows you nothing lasts forever. Typing this now I'm tearing up. Howard wasn't a huge part of spiderman but he'll always be in our hearts

[@Ral15rok]

Best mission in the game yet. & I’m saying that after having just done the Venom mission in the same session. Very bitter sweet & unexpected hit in the feels 😢 Bravo Insomniac. Bravo. 👏 R.I.P. Howard

[@davedepaz24]

I literally took a break after this mission. Mfs really did that to me

[@bruce518]

Damn you, Insomniac…. You hired the right psychologist to get us emotionally

[@RekarMajid]

Man I felt so free flying with the birds and so emotional with Howard’s ending. Spider man series truly shows the right sign of humanity.

[@edwardgrant69]

So second Howard started saying some interesting shit I knew homeboi was as gonna die. This and grandpa were my personally favs

[@shoemakertc5]

I had such a big smile when I saw Howard pop up, then I caught on quick when he was talking. I'm gonna stop playing for the night now...

[@rustyjr4260]

You really hit this at the right time of the day. The sun going down just makes this mission better. Insomniac does a great job at tuggin at out emotions. Just a Beautiful moment.

[@lukelikeschilli5839]

When I played this side mission didn’t expect it to be so deep RIP Howard

[@EchoMutant1]

I’m really gonna miss him. RIP Howard ❤

[@ttalk0]

Man I just cried a little playing this mission. Emotional way to close out his story in this trilogy

[@SlickbACkE]

Who said a game can’t make u cry?😭 thought this was a regular side mission now I’m crying😭 Howard u was with me since I was in highschool when I first got the game now you’ve left me during the age of 20😭this game of the year man wtf🤧

[@TheDevonnMarieShow]

Man was homeless and all he had he shared with his pigeons. 😢 he’s at peace now. Fly Free Howard. 😢😢

[@GigaLem]

I wasn't expecting Howard to pass on so quickly, You could tell he's been taking it easy for a while. But dang, I saw the ambulance and had a sad quiet "oh no" Sucks a lot when you weren't able to say good bye to them one last time. I know what that is like all too well. I always enjoy how alive and humane these stories tend to be, giving us breathers from all the super hero work. Seeing the walks of life that show it isn't just about beating bad guys. Sometimes spiderman can be a long time friend to talk to when you really need it. Dang I just teared up saying that.

[@kiblade2613]

You collect them In the first game....you set em free while they follow you in the 2nd...❤ amazing side mission which I'm glad I did before anything. Soon as I seen the ambulance....I cried.

[@carlmccartney1025]

I seen it coming even before the flying with the pigeons but it still got me

[@bradtraq1]

This mission made me cry like a little girl. The only game that's ever done the same is the ending of what remains of Edith Finch. One of my new favorite missions in a game ever

[@FallenOne669]

This is the mission that embodies Spider-Man as the greatest superhero. He doesn't just fight bad guys, he helps people however he can, and I guarantee he got more satisfaction out of helping Howard and his pigeons than he ever did putting people like Scorpion or Electro in prison.

[@liveforeverjr1]

Insomniac was like “ you think we’re going to annoy u with chasing pigeons, nope pow right in the feels”

[@demi-fiendoftime3825]

The end of this mission devastated me and all but brought me to tears and very few games have made me cry

[@Megadoomable]

Fun fact: Howard is voiced by Dave Fennoy, who voiced Lee in Telltale's The Walking Dead.

[@LILMCJOHN]

Never knew a game could make me break down and cry like this. I love this game.

[@Earth_1048]

I finished this side mission a while a go and I..I don’t know what to say, I’m in tears. Rip Howard.

[@aidancohen6244]

Please read!! In August 2022 my Grandfather Howard passed away in his apartment in Battery Park City. He lived in the apartment building just south of the boat parking lot and Brookfield Place (Glass Shopping Mall). I started this mission and realized I’m meeting “Howard the pigeon guy” on some steps in Battery Park City right next to where my grandfather lived. I couldn’t believe it. I started the mission and realized this is in-game Howard’s final mission because something is off with him and there’s a calming song playing while traveling with the birds. I wrap up the mission and go back to see he passed away, with an ambulance there to pick him up. My eyes started welling up without control. I put my controller down and cried into my hands. After the mission Spider-Man is perched, looking out onto the water right next to the apartment building on the left where my Grandad died. I LOVE AND MISS YOU GRANDPA ❤️🕊️ REST EASY

[@MOEREESE19]

Very deep mission! From the way he talked about his wife and old job to the fact that he had his cart with him, but Miles/Peter are still very compassionate.. I did the mission with Miles right after I visited his dads grave. 😢 well done

[@noritakin7340]

Bro....i just played that Mission and i'm crying for 4 Minutes god damn....

[@tavinprice2310]

These are the only video games to ever make me genuinely cry. This mission is the one that hit me the hardest. Its beautiful

[@oi7917]

i wasn’t too big of a fan doing the pigeon quest but it was for a loving and caring man. take those over the drones any day.

[@patrickrudolph1258]

As soon as he started talking considering we helped that old man with dementia at the beginning of the game reminisce about his wife I had a bad feeling the instant Howard starting talking the way he was. I knew. I knew what was about to happen.

[@ferestrod3242]

This almost made me tear up, im a person who barely cries but people can tell when im sad even if i don't cry, so this metaphorically made me cry

[@James-ke4gq]

Bro straight up what did I just experience. I went to do this mission as nothing more to rack up some exp before jumping back into the main story and I ended up crying to the song while I was flying with birds. this game continues to blow me away with each hour I put in I love you all

[@Gymjonathan8]

You can literally hear the pain in his voice when he says “the flock is free”, I’m sorry Howard, may you rest in peace

[@iCxurch2009-_-]

Rip Howard I'm always going to take care of your birds

[@VexenDmitri]

This and the find grandpa mission are my favourite moments in the game. It showed how much empathy Miles and Peter have for others. You can be someone's hero by just sitting down and listen to them.

[@urtre]

Brooo the side mission wit the grandpa reminiscing bout his wife🥲

[@TheAwesomeDarkNinja]

This is why I personally can't get the criticism that the game is boring when you're not punching people as Spider-Man. Spider-Man has to do dumb stuff here and there but it's always in service to the people. That's what I find truly fulfilling in the game.

[@Kamanda010]

This mission and the yuriko mission from ghost of tshusima are just so hard to play through emotionally

[@michaelafton2494]

When i heard his voice i immediately thought of lee from the walking dead i will never forget Dave fennoy voice :)

[@glezard212]

That moment when you get a call from someone you love and they tell you that the person who you spoke to the other day is gone. That’s when you realize that you can’t tell them how much you miss them or how much you love them. Because they finally found a new adventure. A new home away from you.

[@CrazyPills-465]

Dave Fennoy, a voice that even when it’s fading, never fails to put you at ease.

[@yaelmurillo1863]

If I had a nickel for every time Dave Fennoy made me cry during a video game.

[@Steel-101]

Oh man, I don’t cry much but wow this got me. Howard is a really cool character. May God rest your soul Howard, enjoy your adventure. Man only two video game scenes ever made me cry like this is: 1. Anderson’s death from Mass Effect 3 & 2. This side quest for Howard. Well done insomniac, well done.

[@emiliomorales8507]

Rip Lee Everett again 😢😢😭😭😭😭😭 (Same Voice Actor for Howard. Dave Fennoy)

[@QuanzyDiscord]

istg i started crying, i thought this mission was gonna be a fun pigeon mission😢 RIP howard

[@AngelMendoza-bv5iv]

The only mission i dont ever replay in honor, unless i start a new game and always 100% with it

[@Quicksilver20233]

Heartbreaking, had to wipe my eyes after finishing this, I hope there’s an update in the future where we can feed his pigeons 🤞

[@silentgaming6287]

When howard was talking the way he as with Peter going "uhm howard, howard?" And the pigeons were free i knew some sad shit was gonna happen but i didnt expect THAT! RIP Mr H we will all miss you and chasing the pigeons for ya😭😭😭😭

[@TheLlamaking116]

Just finished this mission and I’m not afraid to admit I cried

[@sweatyplayermeme]

It is so sad what happened to Howard but it is almost fitting it is the voice actor for Lee from the walking dead tell tale games

[@ellis8426]

It really fits Howard's voice, A depressed man who wanted his pigeons to be free and see the world with that deep voice

[@wb6930]

Insomniac really understood Spider-Man, he is not only strong but compassionate too

[@koro4689]

Cried during this, what an emotional trip. This game was amazing❤️

[@Jokrd00d]

Doing this with Mile’s hearing his perspective and worry in his voice made this just much more harder to deal with. Rip Howard, pidgy will miss you, whole flock will

[@devoncox1808]

“Don’t worry Howard, the flock is free.” That hit me so hard. RIP Howard 😢❤

[@FaytLinegod]

I think this is my favorite side mission so far. It was really nice to see Howard and Pidgey again. Even if it was only for a little while.