Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017) - The Dad Talk Scene (6/10) | Movieclips

Spider-Man: Homecoming - The Dad Talk: After finding out his date's father is Adrian Toomes (Michael Keaton), Peter (Tom Holland) gets a very honest talk from the villain that has figured out he's Spider-Man.
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FILM DESCRIPTION:
Thrilled by his experience with the Avengers, young Peter Parker returns home to live with his Aunt May. Under the watchful eye of mentor Tony Stark, Parker starts to embrace his newfound identity as Spider-Man. He also tries to return to his normal daily routine -- distracted by thoughts of proving himself to be more than just a friendly neighborhood superhero. Peter must soon put his powers to the test when the evil Vulture emerges to threaten everything that he holds dear.
CREDITS:
TM & © Sony Pictures Entertainment (2017)
Cast: Michael Keaton, Tom Holland, Laura Harrier
Screewriter: Chris McKenna, Christopher Ford, Erik Sommers, John Francis Daley, Jon Watts, Jonathan Goldstein
Director: Jon Watts
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[@joe3755]

"You show my daughter a good time, just not too good." He did manage to fit in a little "dad talk" after the "I'll kill you" talk. Usually, those talks go the other way.

[@briang.2218]

LOL that's funny XD

[@yourhandlehere1]

"I'll kill you" IS the dad talk. You must not have daughters.

[@H.K.5]

@@yourhandlehere1 So you threaten to kill people? You must be a damn nice guy.

[@jinjeredge]

Hella smooth

[@spacedreams4636]

Hamza Khaliq that was not a threat

[@Ghaltouni]

Featuring the most iconic villain of all time : Your gf's dad

[@mrcalista722]

True story!!

[@DirtyJuvenile]

You might want to get a paternity test∴ She looks like Billy Dee Williams∴

[@crashpal]

or a psychotic named Beetlejuice

[@steverutherford6589]

This was a really good movie, but even as I was walking out of the theater, I was saying that Michael Keaton stole the show! He was an icy cold villain and truly scary!!

[@torquemada2]

@@steverutherford6589 he's my favourite character in the MCU

[@gibusgamer93]

"Don't let him intimidate you" Girl your dad is Michael Keaton, it's not a question of if I'm terrified, it's a question of how much am I terrified

[@varric]

"Girl, your dad is one of the Batmans. He's the personification of terror."

[@nsasupporter7557]

The Sam Raimi/Tobey Maguire movies are the only good Spider-Man movies. Amazing Spider-Man movies were crap. I didn’t care for this one either, except Michael Keaton. So I’d rather watch this one than Amazing Spider-Man

[@nsasupporter7557]

@@varric right! Plus the perfection of comedy as Beetlejuice 😉

[@nsasupporter7557]

The biggest issue I had with this movie was that it was too much like a kids movie

[@evanft6178]

ur spitting rn

[@PeterDavid7KQ201]

Man that was probably one of the most chilling scenes in the MCU. No violence, no action of any kind. Just a calm and utterly cold-blooded death threat.

[@nigabowls5046]

I mean everybody's Gon be scared if batman starts threatening you and ur family

[@Techle148]

"Violence"

[@sunmi2539]

Right

[@sunmi2539]

@@nigabowls5046 ...

[@nigabowls5046]

@@sunmi2539 woman☕

[@yabigboiiii9703]

Liz: Don’t let him intimidate you *Pulls out Gun*

[@TheShape--xt6pk]

Ikr? 😂 you had me dying!

[@josegloria6108]

How intimidating

[@Sir_Gugharde_Wuglis]

That’s normal

[@crashpal]

Liz: Don’t let him intimidate you Toomes: "I'M BATMAN!"

[@applejuicejunkie316]

@Average Titan16 yes among other amazing powers.

[@dishonourable_junkie690]

Imagine if Peter wasn't actually Spiderman and he was just saying this to some innocent teenager

[@lukahmad5683]

I will peed in my pants like Scott lol

[@RelicDoss]

Ahaha underrated

[@lengochuutu4821]

He actually revealed nothing about his identity, so I guess he was more than 90% sure Peter was Spiderman, but still careful.

[@cliffturbo2146]

"Dude, I... Just wanted to go to the party..."

[@Aaronmajowskavitz]

@Ajahni Cole that would truly be the experience ever

[@snavs420]

Michael Keaton can turn from charming to menacing in an instant. One of our greatest living actors.

[@SwordsmanRyan]

And he got his start on Mister Rogers’ Neighborhood.

[@bigfootwithinternetconnect2330]

Well he did play Bruce Wayne/Batman twice..that's what he is, charming and menacing lol

[@Sparkle0501]

Yes

[@crashpal]

Because he's batman!

[@robertthikkurissy8435]

He did a great job in the founder as Ray Croc.

[@thegamemaster9872]

The Loser Mysterio - Is a snitch - is a villain because rich man stole his invention - Fakes being a hero - Has a fishbowl head - Not a cool dad V.S. The Chad Vulture - is not a snitch - is a villain to feed his family - Doesn't fake being a hero - Has a cool helmet - Cool dad This comment is just a joke. I love them both

[@lepork519]

How is that a joke? All of that are facts

[@dosomestuff1949]

@@lepork519 nah. They both are great mcu villains

[@lepork519]

@@dosomestuff1949 no. Vulture: Tony Stark left us in misery and I will do anything for my family even if I have to fight Spider-man Mysterio: Tony Stark bullied and fired me so I'm gonna take advantage of a kid and kill him

[@dosomestuff1949]

@@lepork519 if u simply mysterio’s motive like that, ofc it’s gonna sound bad. Understand his motive properly first. He didn’t even wanna kill Peter at first.

[@dosomestuff1949]

@@lepork519 he just wanted the glasses

[@Seussenshmirtz]

He's scarier as Liz's dad than as Vulture.

[@huyla1472]

Joshua V. Harding he's being Michael Keaton instead of some horribly hawk-like designed villain

[@shimsokshim2995]

That's because as a dad, he becomes a real possible human being we could meet instead of a robot bird.

[@yellowflamegaulent3902]

Joshua V. Harding Espicaly in the thumbnail.

[@TobiNano]

except peter could have rekt him there and then without his suit

[@aviarad6511]

well im scared if he was batman

[@angelem5960]

That's how you make a scary villain: there's no need to show superpowers or supertechnology, just show how he dominates the situation.

[@wlot28]

that's the main reason why Wilson Fisk in daredevil was so brilliant.

[@Noobsaibot21]

Good example of why super strength is not always best. Loki is a decent example though he does have a super skillset/powers. Or even Grandmaster (who probably has some serious skills but never has to show them and has the whole planet in fear of him)

[@crashpal]

or just say he's batman and that will be enough

[@MarkEmperor]

Ángel EM Exactly, and I believe there's more to include on how to make the scariest villain ever. More terrifying than Emperor Palpatine from Star Wars.

[@keltonschuermann6715]

I mean he did have super technology tho lol

[@hkr0065]

I love how Toomes didnt even say "You cant see my daughter anymore." He was still perfectly okay with him seeing her, which really showed that he appreciated him as a young man. But he is also still willing to destroy him if he has to. That's good writing.

[@Kibinishi]

"You can't see my daughter anymore" is very cliche. The writing was done so well, it made me feel as if I'm Peter, and if Michael Keaton said it to my soul

[@bern9642]

I don't think he hates Peter Parker. Just doesn't want him messing up his business

[@malakaihernandez2235]

What the hell is a Toomes?

[@OrochiShiki]

@@malakaihernandez2235 That's Adrian's last name bro

[@shaniatreyu9303]

It's also a good form of manipulation. If Peter's involved with Liz, then Toomes can use her to keep him from causing problems.

[@filoni8434]

1:03 Genius cinematography right here. Waiting at the red light as he pieces everything together, and as soon as it clicks, the light turns green. A literal lightbulb moment. God, this sequence is one of the best in the whole mcu.

[@MisterFoxx]

Green being the color of the vulture

[@naethavenir9422]

Red being the danger

[@vonrumph5130]

I saw as who had the power in the situation red meaning spiderman was a problem for him and then once he knows it's peter and peter knows he knows. And it shows that peter is intimidated aamnd scared in the situation and once the vulture realizes it, it switches to green cause now its a spiderman has a vulture problem, not a vulture has a spiderman problem. If that makes sense

[@jeromevaleska2014]

@@naethavenir9422Red is not the danger, Heisenberg is the danger! A guy opens his door and gets shot, and you think that of Walt? No. He is the one who KNOCKS!”

[@sunofsotep8265]

Brilliantly done. Good catch my man.

[@matt9661]

Vulture: "I'll kill you dead." Peter Dinklage: "Yes... that's what killing you means..."

[@bigman4407]

Lol

[@x_joel308]

XD

[@charlieclark9552]

Murdered to death

[@shadowrev2914]

@From Transgender Diary I wheezed when reading that.

[@thealfather2752]

Emiya Shirou: Bold my beer. * Clears throat * *People die when they are killed*

[@Eyeofthetiger69]

I swear, this Peter Parker is terrible at keeping his identity a secret; I'm sure they based him off Tom Holland himself.

[@ln7929]

Especially in far from home

[@ShadowSonic2]

Peter's always sucked at hiding his ID....it's just that everyone who should realize it randomly would turn into an idiot and not get it.

[@aeronsumilong]

How about you bring your camera with a "property of peter paker" written on it while trying to spy on a super villain

[@ratchetandclankfan2]

Cant be as bad as virgil keeping his identity in his cartoon static shock No one can be more bad at keeping a secret identity more then virgil hawkins

[@nightfuel8368]

@@aeronsumilong Wow TASM 1

[@RooKangaRoo]

The movie gets exponentially better when the villains aren’t bots and actually internally process things to come to conclusions.

[@joerichmond76]

I’d rank Michael Keaton’s vulture as one of the top Marvel baddies. he’s actually extremely intelligent and quite fun to watch. The MCU is kind of hit and miss when it comes to villains

[@Kev24]

Micheal Keaton and Toms performance carried this movie in my opinion

[@jackzimmy8461]

That’s screenwriting 101. Engaging characters use bits of information to navigate the plot, showing curiosity, intelligence and determination. Likeable qualities. Badly written characters are just given information and don’t actually learn for themselves, so they don’t deserve any credit or attention. If you want a memorable villain then make sure they try as hard as the hero to win. Don’t give them everything on a plate.

[@darnellclinton8958]

@@joerichmond76 his villain sucks compared to the original trilogy villains especially green goblin and doc Ock

[@LeDareyus]

William Dafoe’s green goblin

[@thcdelirious1235]

That's what I loved about Michael Keaton's Vulture. He quickly figured out Peter was Spider-Man, he passively but firmly warned and threatened him, and then still respected him enough to say "Go show my daughter a good time." He did care about his wife and daughter, and it showed. I hope they bring his character back in someway

[@unclekarl5219]

Pretty sure him, prowler and scorpion are gonna work together at some point.

[@Spider-Man-257]

@@unclekarl5219 And sadly Morbius.

[@willh1082]

Best villain they've had in my in the mcu, in my opinion. He was just a guy trying to provide for his family that got pushed to the point of no return by corruption in the system.

[@jessepinkman5702]

hell yeah bro hes gonna be in morbius 2!!!!

[@JacobNintendoNerd99]

He was apparently going to be in No Way Home to represent the MCU itself among the roster of villains and make it the actual Sinister Six... But Sony decided just to butcher him in Morbius 2 instead.

[@JoeFanik]

It's hilarious how he figured out Peter's identity faster than anyone else

[@shawerful5209]

Because he is batman!!!

[@rimurutempest4945]

They don’t call him the World’s Greatest Detective for nothing

[@doggosho3044]

@@shawerful5209 AHHHHHHHHHH!

[@johnmartin4119]

To be fair Peter has never been good at keeping his identity secret. It’s practically sheer luck in the comics and other films/shows no one finds out

[@coolioso808]

Superhero identities can be hard. I'm still trying to figure out if Clark Kent is Superman. I dunno, one wears glasses and the other doesn't. That's just too different to possibly be the same person.

[@fraynetrain1370]

Michael Keatons acting is superb in this scene especially

[@Tan87ful]

Agreed

[@varunemani]

They don't call the Legend for nothing. Keaton's the best when making memorable characters.

[@tallperson117]

"Good ol Spider-Man" god I love Keaton's acting and line delivery, it's just great.

[@michaelkeaton5394]

Agreed

[@ifeelpretty5790]

Beetlejuice, Batman, Vulture, his versatility is outstanding!

[@skycase1976]

Vulture: Stop interfering with my business Peter: ILL STOP WHEN YOU FIX THIS DAMN DOOR

[@gixcosicosi2229]

Genius

[@arielbrathwaite7747]

Rent?

[@ikhwanmauaja1184]

I love how the only 'bad' movies in spiderman sam trilogy also the only source of meme 😂

[@subject_9875]

Lmao 😂

[@nevermore-4244]

lmao

[@Arcxile]

Even in this universe, he's the world's greatest detective.

[@lexdadon]

😂😂😂

[@DavidNolan0]

Im batmannnnnnnn

[@zaja2418]

@@DavidNolan0 Wrong. He is Man.

[@DavidNolan0]

@@zaja2418 swear at meeeee

[@zaja2418]

@@DavidNolan0 The Man Who Jonkles.

[@benedekfarkas1355]

When the 'dad talk' starts by the dad pulling a gun on you, you know he's serious about his daughter.

[@shadowrev2914]

It get's even more serious when he pulls out his exo-skeletal, winged and deadly suit of armor.

[@brandonreyes1920]

or he's one bullet away from being charged with murder or fatal assault

[@Walm89]

but he'll need to -be around- for his daughter, right

[@OvSpP]

Brandon Reyes he wasn’t gonna shoot him right there, he’s not stupid. The gun was to scare him.

[@syauqi5934]

Or a shield, a hammer, or a pair of hand repulsors

[@andreszarmach554]

I love that the light turns green on his face the moment he realizes that Peter is Spiderman.

[@SugarW1thC0ffee]

It turns green at the perfect moment. I forgot how you call it but whatever the symbolism was great 👌🏻

[@user-oe7oe2fl8q]

this scene reminds me how the first green goblin was acting

[@Voorhees67]

Yay symbolism!

[@skeletor8212]

Didn’t catch that at first

[@Alan-yb8kx]

Darknut64 I know!! It is awesome small detail that makes this scene intense.

[@wickermind6668]

Vulture: "And I'll kill everyone you love" Peter: *Loves his daughter*

[@cmgd6679]

also Peter: loves Iron Man

[@elmodeer7723]

@@cmgd6679 aye that's true 😧

[@anthonysmith7504]

You win this time Spider-Man

[@DaygoKid94]

I mean he didn't love her yet.

[@elmodeer7723]

It was his crush?

[@ZyxthePest]

I think my favorite thing about this scene is that it's not only a fantastic performance from Keaton, but that it's a GREAT representation of what a vulture actually does, preying on a being at it's weakest and most vulnerable.

[@garliconionshallot]

i mean, he didnt

[@erikgomesbraz7860]

@@garliconionshallot wdym he did Pete is going on a dance with the guy’s daughter and giving him a chance to leave vultures business alone

[@Bane520]

You're wrong, vultures exclusively scavenge. Stop villainizing animals.

[@arky1790]

I don't think mcu writers are that deep

[@ZyxthePest]

@arky1790 I'll never understand this critique. Writing is one facet of filmmaking. Could've been the director, could've been Keaton, hell the idea for the metaphors I mentioned could've come from the dude sweeping the sound stage. Filmmaking is collaborative. You can't pin everything on the writers, for better or worse.

[@MT-tu8dt]

This scene alone put this movie on another level.

[@sammywang3025]

Threat level: Midnight!

[@phenomenal3216]

Michael Tardi 1k likes but only 1 comment haha.

[@H.K.5]

OmarPlayz Yeah, that's pretty weird.

[@phenomenal3216]

Hamza Khaliq yep

[@juicestains52]

Michael Tardi yea, one of the rare movies where the third act is the best

[@stewhv94]

I love how Michael Keaton goes from playing Batman to starring in Birdman, a film about an actor trying to break out of the image of playing a superhero, to then play Vulture, a superhero villain in an actual bird costume.

[@brendansheehy8124]

And back to playing Batman again after all of that. Hope he shows up in Spider-Man No Way Home also. Can u imagine Keaton’s Vulture working with Molina’s Doc Ock🤯

[@MagicAl5F4781]

Winning an Oscar is a good cure for the existential crisis of an aging genre icon. William Shatner also became much more sanguine about being Captain Kirk after winning two Emmys for playing Denny Crane.

[@simplez4ck]

He's truly awesome and a character

[@julianmx13]

@@brendansheehy8124 he’s still locked up. You see a quick second of him in the Morbius trailer

[@Sonicteenhedgehog]

0:32;Uh-oh, it's happening all over again.

[@isaac_rios25]

Vulture: “I’ll kill you and everybody you love” Peter: “I love liz”

[@Kev24]

“You win this time Spider-Man”

[@florilestari]

Right...

[@MisterX867]

I bet that if this was a scene in a comic that's exactly what Peter would've said in that moment.

[@ssssSTopmotion]

@@Kev24 hishe

[@TerminalKitty]

Damn, this guy's good.

[@WillJM81280]

Michael Keaton is criminally underrated. Absolutely needed more screen time, and more villain roles. As intimidating with his tone, small facial expressions, and subtle menacing implications as any large hulking over-the-top villain.

[@drock1331]

His tone and mannerisms around 1:30 was very reminiscent of Jack Nicholson, which is obviously funny because of Batman. He's been acting longer than many of us have been living. A legend.

[@hazeust]

Michael Keaton is a lot of things. He is not underrated.

[@jeffreym.8957]

@@hazeust Sure he is. When you compare him to the "bigs".

[@juanrisa945]

@Noel T. Lat And then you renember they are both Batman...

[@NoamMendelssohn]

@@jeffreym.8957 I really don't think anyone in the industry thinks Michael keaton is underrated. He's a VERY sought after actor, doing only what he cherry picks himself.

[@denny8727]

"Nothing is more important than family" Dom Torreto likes this

[@PsychonautTV]

damn it. knew this was gonna show up eventually.

[@RobertEdwinHouse9]

La Familia es todo

[@Yu-sx3yi]

@@RobertEdwinHouse9 mi familia

[@risraid9324]

*Dom Torreto joined the Chat*

[@funwithtropes69]

Dom: Okay. I got a harpoon so strong it pulled an Antonov down the runway like it's made of paper. And a car that sticked to cliffs like your buddy Spider-Man. I know you're doing this for family, therefore a chair in our BBQ party. Deal? Vulture: Sure.

[@vasiliypupkin3239]

"That's terrible what's happened down there in DC" He talked about Batman v Superman.

[@thenippletwister3457]

You deserve a sub from me.

[@skinnypete2645]

And suicide squad

[@skinnypete2645]

And justice league

[@skinnypete2645]

And the titans trailer

[@skinnypete2645]

And the aquaman poster

[@Ese1Pac]

Vulture: “I’ll kill you and everybody you love!” Peter: “I love you.”

[@nebulous8389]

I love you daddy vulture

[@person43]

[@ramking7869]

Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

[@storyman385]

Peter: but I love your daughter

[@Harry-tj6bl]

The old switcharoo

[@alexcarter6446]

To me, Michael Keaton's acting rivals Willem Dafoe's acting concerning the Spider-Man franchise. Both send chills up my spine.

[@enigmaticbeing666]

cold shiver up ur spine

[@johnr1740]

Too bad we didn’t get an interaction with Tom Holland, Michael Keaton and William Dafoe in no way home. Like it was supposed to happen in the original script and concept art.

[@cleb6720]

sup

[@mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm3153]

cringee

[@riceboi78]

How awkward would it be if he gave the “Dad Talk” and he wasn’t even Spider-Man to begin with. Haha

[@crystalsugar4136]

Your Mom Goes To College That would be so funny, the guy just walks in there giving lizz the time of her life and then disappears to another town Meanwhile Spider-Man keeps appearing and Vulture is thinking about how he may have revealed his identity

[@RadekCrazy1]

Even more awkward would be if his plan did not work and Peter attacked him. He would have him shot in the car. Imagine the scene from Lizzie´s perspective when your dad escort you and your bf to the party then have some dad talk with your BF then immediatelly shoots him in the face. What was Vulture even thinking LOL

[@yeetwchybaban]

@@crystalsugar4136 hmm

[@belland_dog8235]

@@RadekCrazy1 lol that would be awkward, but unless his spider sense was acting up there's no way he'd be shot by a gun, especially from that distance.

[@theodre0896]

Lmfao

[@brianbrush5107]

A seriously underrated part is How Peter is desperately trying to stop Liz from getting him killed at the start. Its darkly hilarious

[@JSsquad-kz9tj]

Yep she's just talking about how he disappears all the time, literally give her dad the information he needs to kill him

[@danielz-v4083]

Melina Galano it reminded me of Ringo , from Pulp fiction, telling “Honey Bunny” to “Be cool” in desperation xD

[@AAron_Pendragon]

Her nonstop yammering is directly attributing to Peter’s demise lol! It brings truth to the old adage...”Ignorance is bliss!”

[@MoonwalkerWorshiper]

Girls always complicate life for young guys.

[@jordandavis3867]

Peter brought that on himself. He was talking too much. When she said he was at her party he should of said nothing. He talking bout it was a beautiful party like she wouldn't say anything.

[@Jaxymann]

Jesus this scene was tense. You could *feel* the atmosphere of this scene so well.

[@MrRandomCheeseGuy]

Do not say that name in vain.

[@theguyintheworks8838]

It feels.. *_..T E N S E.._*

[@dookiekong7482]

It really makes you *feel* like Spiderman

[@saikonakoshi4334]

@@dookiekong7482 lmao underrated comment

[@hilfigerish6401]

Mark L hey man this is the internet

[@isaaclefevre7226]

I love how Toomes is being all out terrifying in this moment but Liz doesn't even notice. It's like, oh yeah, my dad talks like this all the time.

[@jeremiassalaya2074]

Who's ever idea at Marvel was to do this scene was a mastermind. The way that the situation creates suspense is just thought of beautifully. Including the way that they put the shadow of the green light onto Michael, Keaton's face is just incredibly perfect. It really reminded me of Sam Raimi's Green Goblin but as well fit into the vulture's real suit in the comics since it's green.

[@TheJellyinmybelly]

Green light is there for symbolism. The moment he figures out who peter is, it turns green. Kinda like a light bulb just more subtle :)

[@l0sts0ul89]

Expect for the fact Peter is a literal Super Human fighting a old guy

[@robnoxiousplays2385]

@@TheJellyinmybelly I thought this, too. Then I watched again and realized that (judging by the line of questioning) he'd actually figured it out about 20 seconds earlier.

[@TheJellyinmybelly]

@@robnoxiousplays2385 good to know someone else saw it too! :)

[@jacobesnard]

It wasn’t Marvel’s idea, it was Jon Watt’s.

[@eddiehoward7002]

This is straight up the most stressful MCU moment.

[@tylerm6191998]

Eddie Howard The thing I love about this scene and the house scene is that it is as tense as it is just plain old awkward, even without all the spider powers and alien jetpacks. Just imagine going to grab your date to prom and her dad looks a whole hell of a lot like the murderous arms dealer you saw a few days ago, or the other way around when your daughter's date enters the house and suddenly looks like he's going to die.

[@cian2168]

Watching this scene makes me so hyped for the inevitable sinister six movie. We have three members so far. Vulture, shocker and scorpion. Now I hope for doc oc or electro.

[@HABO2210]

but why?? Keaton can't do shit to him, he's just a man with a gun, Petar is a guy with superhuman reflexes and strength. I can buy tension when both sides are equally powerful, here I don't get that.

[@cian2168]

Mario Habijanec Do you know what a gun is? Even if peter has superhuman reflexes, a bullet is much faster than he ever could be.

[@HABO2210]

Do you know what superhuman reflexes mean? It means he can avoid bullet's trajectory and getting shot in the first place.

[@beccag2758]

"Don't mess with me" "...why?" *"BECAUSE I'M BATMAN"*

[@DHARANIKRISHNANR]

Hishe?

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

"WHAAAAAAA?"

[@patrickadriantrinidad4112]

I understood that reference

[@kiannamartinez157]

im so rich and bat man-internally stares into soul-

[@thatoneguyRyan1]

Or is he 🪲 🧃

[@jman217]

This was, for real, a very scary moment for Peter. The villains finding out his secret, is not something that he has dealt with, up to this point. For Peter to hear the way Vulture nonchalantly threatened his life like that, would have been extremely nerve-wracking for him, since he IS still just a kid, having to learn that there are, in fact people like Adrian Toomes in the world.

[@karlmackarl]

The green light on Keaton's sneering face was a niiiiice touch!

[@onestupidgamer]

And the red light when he started to put two and two together

[@alexandermartinez1318]

There was none

[@thecasualgamer3324]

@@alexandermartinez1318 There was

[@elwinvanhuissteden7729]

Gotta love the symbolism there; he's waiting for the light, but at the same time the light shows the audience how far Toombs has figured it all out. Cinematic perfection right there

[@andrew4029]

@@onestupidgamer: Very much yes.

[@Isaic02]

I liked how Keaton immediately realized the truth! There was no hint dropping with the villain thinking “no way, must be a coincidence” and then only realizes it once the mask is torn off in a fight or something. It was very satisfying.

[@V2Joao]

Isaic02 there was a "its a coincidence moment" he suspected from the house part and maybe even the voice but he was like "nah cant be" so he asks about dc. Dc is the thing that solidifies his belief because up until that point he mighve just known spiderman or just be a coincidence since his daughter was also near both the times spidey was featured

[@1027srich]

His daughter basically told him without knowing because she gave all the hints about Peter disappearing lol

[@crazyape515]

Green goblin figured it out too

[@DarcyIsLame]

I’d never thought Batman would threaten Spider-Man, but hey it’s Marvel, anything could happen...

[@kingpablothe1stoverlordoft871]

If only he had the cowl, then peter would've had to spend the rest of the night hiding in the bathroom trying to clean the crap he dropped in his pants.

[@mickeye6428]

@@kingpablothe1stoverlordoft871 Spider-Man would make easy work of Batman. So would this Vulture.

[@johndoe3011]

Tom Holland said in an interview that Michael Keaton Scared the crap out of him with this performance. When they yelled cut Holland said Keaton did a 180 and said " Hey Tommy I'm hungry wanna get a burger?" He was speechless for a few seconds.

[@naingmon]

@@kingpablothe1stoverlordoft871 Nah, Keaton Batman wouldn't be able to turn his head. That damn cowl.

[@SMSenshi11]

DarcyIsLame : well played, my friend. Well played 🤗

[@andrewallen7962]

Underplaying a villain humanizes them, and lets the audience start to identify with them. The best actors know that. So far, all the best Marvel Movie Villains have been the quiet type.

[@cadenvanvalkenburg6718]

The best villains are those who don't bluster or show off. They're the ones who are quiet but efficient.

[@peanutbuttersmooth4849]

1:55 "Does she know?" "Know what?" "I am Batman!"

[@JordanWheeler1999]

peanut butter smooth, *me if I was dating his daughter* Me: your a overrated "superhero" that fights crimes so if your going to threaten me sir then let me tell your daughter that your batman... Bruce wayne.

[@danger6609]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaat

[@Patricknotstarr]

Jordan Wheeler wow you’re so badass

[@frpsty189]

More like im batman not i am batman

[@shadowrev2914]

@@JordanWheeler1999 *Cough* Batman isn't a superhero, he's a vigilante, ergo he isn't an overrated superhero.

[@WarhawkBeyond2040]

Michael Keaton's performance as The Vulture was the best thing about this movie

[@Ruosteinenknight]

Aside from the obvious funny connotations with his past, he did really good job as vulture. pics.me.me/you-either-diea-hero-or-you-live-long-enough-to-25080048.png

[@kawaki4441]

Tom also nailed role of Spidey and Peter Parker.

[@Spongebrain97]

I'm just glad marvel didn't waste Michael keaton

[@Spongebrain97]

TheSlyStalloneFan1 Stallone not even to kill him off but not making him another lame uncompelling mcu villain

[@diogopereira3731]

He and Tom

[@ikemarthlinkrich]

One of the rarest and well executed Superhero/Protagonist and Villain/Antagonist talk (because most of the time, they don’t, or they do but immediately kill the other). The Villain owes the hero a life by saving his daughter, therefore not killing the Hero. It just take a little bit of logic to make a close decent scene like this.

[@ooo8421]

I agree it's a good scene, put personally if I were the villian. I would be like "I didn't ask you to save my daughter, therefore I don't owe you shit". Either way, he wouldn't have killed him right then and there. His daughter would've known, as well as every student.

[@mahada7649]

O O O But it makes sense for him to be thankful to spiderman, because his daughter would've been dead otherwise.

[@jasonking7570]

O O O just because you didnt ask someone to do something doesnt mean they didnt do something for you

[@ikemarthlinkrich]

O O O If that’s so, it would make him a terrible villain automatically, because it wouldnt make sense if he's a villain with reasonable motives to start with.

[@tonytitarenko9284]

O O O he couldn't have killed him anyway since Peter Parker would overpower him

[@godkingjacklee3065]

This is the closest we’re going to get to Batman vs Spider-Man

[@mrmassi555]

The dad talk is every man's fear in this scenario. Believe me, I know.

[@brandonfleming7118]

out of experience, it's terrifying. Especially if he thinks his daughter is banging dudes already.

[@cosmic2859]

Thank goodness it’ll never be mine

[@sixravenx]

True story

[@keksterbojester818]

Nah just be honest and tell him you want to screw her brains out eventually. He'll respect your honesty and buy you a beer.

[@dfkeija8213]

@@keksterbojester818 Lol.

[@mannyp-1]

0:32 - 1:07 Keaton's performance was brilliant in this. He goes from a slight anger and suspicion to an epiphany within seconds. I loved how the audience knows exactly what his character is feeling from the reflection of the traffic lights. That "good ol' Spider-Man" delivery was cold too. A clear indication that the one who has been tormenting him the entire time was literally right in front of his face. Really good moment there.

[@SacredDaturaa]

Also the way he moves his head when he's figuring it out subtly suggests a bird without being hammy. It's crazy how much more Keaton's performance brings to this role that should have been super forgettable.

[@nicorodriguez7508]

Dude the way he acted that out reminded me so much of Jack Nicholson in The Shining

[@ninjaguyYT]

Lmao it makes no sense that he was in Spiderman. He's batman. Batman is DC Comics (detective comics comics). Spiderman is Marbles. They really messed up

[@thevaccinator666]

​@@nicorodriguez7508Good comparison!

[@xxshanexx1114]

"Don't mess with me kid" "Why" "BECAUSE I'M BATMAN!!!"

[@themysteriousredwarriorblo1662]

Shane Hall I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw this in theaters

[@ezrablake1234]

And also birdman

[@mediadragon2191]

Lol I only came here just to comment that

[@sophster4341]

Shane Hall yes hishe rocks wait I am groot

[@jeagerbam3898]

Copy cat that's from how it should have ended

[@DwayneHicks426]

It took a cut from a bike messanger for the Green Goblin to realize who Spider Man was. Vulture went full Batman and used his wits.

[@andrewkoumis4070]

Michael Keaton... playing winged comic book characters since 1989.

[@briansivley2001]

Veritas Aequitas yep😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎.

[@danny90099]

Batman , bird man ,vulture and Dumbo

[@OwenRona]

Rick Sanchez the fly

[@wlliamson53]

Batman doesnt have wings

[@crashpal]

does Beetlejuice count?

[@adamengel3502]

this is hands down the best scene of the movie

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

Debatable

[@thebotfather9508]

@@Marvelfanatic3658 non-debatable. the rest of the movie was ok, but this is superb writing & acting.

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

@@thebotfather9508 agree to disagree

[@thebotfather9508]

@@Marvelfanatic3658 the rest of the movie is standard Marvel fare. nothing special about it. this scene is creepy. says a lot without spelling it out to the audience. puts Michael Keaton's superb acting on display. shows why he is a veteran actor. the rest of the movie is nothing special that I haven't already seeen in other Marvel Movies like Iron Man. but this scene is what acting is about.

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

@@thebotfather9508 yea, I think the acting in this scene is great, but so was the acting in the scene where Tony takes Peter's suit back. And also the scene where Peter gets crushed by the building ruble was a great scene as well with Tom Holland's acting.

[@asbehsam]

This is the scene that made me believe Tom is a great actor. He's genuinely terrified of this man. Just a kid.

[@nathanlittleton7675]

Anyone would be afraid of Micheal Keaton. Haha. I think its just Tom being himself in this scene.

[@ShnNar1000x]

But he was not terrified at all. He did not hesitate to go after Toomes the moment he left the car.

[@ernstthalmann4306]

Tom wasn't acting.

[@CometStar100]

@@ShnNar1000x Yeah he was worried cause he knew taking down Liz could mess up her life. I think he was just in shock and thinking about how this could effect Liz.

[@LP4LIFE82]

Nah he wasn’t scared at all he didn’t wanna cause a scene and plus he still a kid that respected Adults

[@wildbill9490]

I love how Toomes connects the dots almost instantly and doesn’t fall for Peter’s obvious BS, while Peter keeps his cool the whole time.

[@SuperJutah]

It's because he is pinpointing all the circumstanial evidence... He recognises Peter's voice... He's like I'm certain I know you... And Liz confirms he was at her party First is the Stark internship... Nothing to think about Tony Stark has LOADS of people Then Liz said peter always leaves early... and then toombes is like "Wait a second... Is this dude Spider-Man?" Then he asked him in CODE because Liz was there... "Was you scared when Spider-Man saved you?" Now Liz being there... IF Peter tried to lie.. Liz would casually say you wasn't there thats why peter was panicking and confirmed he wasn't rescued by Spider-Man so Toombes said Good ol' Spider-Man... He correctly deduced that Spider-Man was Pete through sheer thinking!

[@divaalfirman3295]

Fun fact: Michael Keaton often randomly said “I’m Batman!” in his Batman voice on set in-between takes 😆

[@riorovandor317]

Behind the scene ?

[@moroccoisback477]

He is Bettlejuice first

[@lmaoded1550]

Yes lol

[@Petrichor9505]

Source: trust me bro

[@MrRedBlock1]

@@Petrichor9505 lmao

[@thejonbrownshow8470]

0:41 I like how he doesn't just assume at first Peter is spider man, he just suspected and just started probing him by asking about washington, and with Peter stuttering his excuses, he was like "got em"

[@MrMegaSuperDuperMe]

The use of the traffic light is cool too. It starts out red, and then turns green when he figures it out. It's like one of those moments in a cartoon when somebody gets an idea or figures something out, and then a lightbulb pops up over their head.

[@thejonbrownshow8470]

@@MrMegaSuperDuperMe yeah, I really appreciate when they use mundane things like that to symbolize plot progression there lol

[@DanielSlva]

@@MrMegaSuperDuperMe And it starts out red when he assumes a more threatening aura. The music even changes.

[@alcrutch1283]

He went Batman mode

[@ejej_shej7958]

@@MrMegaSuperDuperMe nice catch

[@MrTooner13]

The color usage at the stoplight is amazing.

[@warhorse5152]

His colors in the comic

[@RedDeadDepressionist]

War Horse thats not what he meant, he meant that when the light was red and he didnt realise peter was SM but when the light turned green he realised it

[@warhorse5152]

Turtle P O R G exactly my point It was a normal Ride to the prom until spider man was mentioned then like after said realization. The stoplight turns green upon his face leaving a shinning twisted grin on his face, not only as an reference to his trademark colors in the comics but as foreshadowing his personality as a family man willing to do anything. In other words the stoplight is exposing his true colors I.e His colors in the comics. But all I can say is this scene actually made me queasy

[@RedDeadDepressionist]

War Horse i though u meant his suit was red and green in the comics? My bad

[@warhorse5152]

Turtle P O R G you’re fine

[@rdear]

One of the things I love about this scene is the initial look on Peter’s face when he pulls the gun. There’s not a doubt in his kind that if he had to, Peter could rip the gun out of Tombs’ hand and never for a second be in any danger. It’s not until Tombs mentions his loved ones that Peter gets scared and doubts his ability to stop him.

[@Catswithouthats123]

Peter actively puts himself in danger. And he can handle it. But his loved ones can’t. He cares about them all. So he stops.

[@ermonski]

and at the end of the day, Peter is still a kid. An adult with a gun is still kind of scary for him. Especially if that adult is not just the Vulture but your girlfriend's dad.@@Catswithouthats123

[@gerardusedwardsusanto507]

Villain: Peter, nothing... is more important than family (in the distance) Toretto: Ma man!

[@satrioditoprastomo]

Frank Lucas : my man

[@docrofreborn7497]

Vito Corleo-oh, right.: *raises a thumbs up from beyond the grave*

[@tanishkshinde7215]

Vin Diesel:yo ma man

[@antioligarki61988]

And han still alive 🤐

[@yohnwong780]

I can hear this comment!

[@phonemadefilms875]

Wow the vulture guy is good at acting he should play Batman

[@goblinsish]

@@theofficalchairmanrevoluti614 r/whoooooosh

[@theofficalchairmanrevoluti614]

@@goblinsish Ah I see

[@anshumananshu667]

I think your'e something of a Futurist or a prophet.

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

@@anshumananshu667 *visible confusion*

[@Webshooters1]

He'd never pull it off.

[@CGR0620]

1:04 You can see in that moment that the Vulture figured it out when the green light lit up.

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

he figured it out when Peter said he wasn't in the accident at DC

[@ItsJustHunor]

also, when he's driving down you can see that he's driving slower and slower to pay more and more attention to the conversation, and when he stops you can tell from his face he's like "wait a minute..." So... Well... Directed!

[@minihalkoja590]

@God Emperor of Mankind 3.0 Well yeah, he figured it out earlier, but the green light thing was to show that he has now gone into Vulture mode.

[@Darksaviour]

God Emperor of Mankind 3.0 I like to think he figured it out when Liz said Peter was only at the party for 2 seconds. Peter in DC confirmed it for him.

[@Gloocifer]

The red light that appeared in his face also portrayed his suspicion

[@mordecool9696]

I’ve seen this movie 5 times and this scene still gives me chills

[@SuperAxon2]

In a parallel universe: "I'll let you live and I'll let you live alive"

[@AfyxSyahmi-kj3nx]

Live means alive dude

[@SuperAxon2]

@@AfyxSyahmi-kj3nx I know man. Dead means dead!

[@literallysnake]

@@AfyxSyahmi-kj3nx idiot means idiot

[@MisterX867]

Christ lmao that's some dumb Bizarro line isn't it?

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

@@literallysnake uhhh wha-?

[@melmel-pe2uh]

"Does she know?" "Know what.." INTENSE

[@Crrrow]

Vulture:Does she knowthati'MBATMAN.

[@frankmiranda707]

They makers of this scene were genius

[@moviemaster8510]

Can you believe they were also responsible for that shitty Vacation movie with Ed Helms?

[@JinnDante]

Michael Keaton made this scene . Top notch actor

[@mariosimpostor731]

THEY ARE CALLED "WRITERS."

[@Spartanshaq777]

Its not the writers, its the actors that deliver..Michael keaton is VERY SUBTLE..and that works more than being over the top

[@clibreros94]

@@Spartanshaq777 still, the writers must've had a chub when they finished that scene

[@CBright7831]

"I'm going back give Peter the "dad talk."" **immediately gets a gun out of his glovebox after his daughter leaves** These "dad talks" can get intense.

[@sergentpugsley5137]

The guy literally pulls a gun on peter. That is downright the most stressful and one of the scariest scenes in the MCU.

[@Tan87ful]

Exactly

[@boah1668]

enjoy

[@Theeinsom]

Nicky The Greater ok kid

[@TheLegend-pc2hv]

Scary ? Lmao

[@thefastrightptg5048]

a normal man with a gun is intimidating spiderman with fadt reflexes super strength and spider sense smh

[@DaOmega95]

This scene singlehandedly made a just-okay movie into a really good one.

[@msucsabahmuhammadhazman1821]

This movie is much better than far from home in my opinion

[@DaOmega95]

@@msucsabahmuhammadhazman1821 I'd agree.

[@rafaelteodoro5687]

@@msucsabahmuhammadhazman1821 oh totally

[@kai-jz6vv]

@@DaOmega95 when you realise that Peter has super strength and other powers and Liz dad is just an old man In this scene all Peter needed to do was just grab his hand or punch him to knock him out and he would have won

[@halonostalgiatheater7440]

Just not too good

[@ultragarrison]

Closest we can get to Batman vs Spiderman

[@yellowflamegaulent3902]

ultragarrison Uhhh Death Battle.

[@ultragarrison]

I meant an official one. Not a fanmade. Deathbattle is fanmade.

[@zebras1016]

Iron men vs batman

[@kimjongchrist8943]

Batman would never say "nothing is more important than family" because he has no family...

[@tronovonflidder775]

ultragarrison Lol but it's closer than this. Michael here is old, bald, and is playing a completely different character. A fan made but arguably accurate hypothetical fight between the two fictional characters is a lot closer than an actor who once played Batman, having a "dad talk" with Spiderman, as the Vulture. But I think you know that already, and tbh, I just sense a lowkey salt over the fact that Spidey beat Batman in that fight. That's why you dismiss it so easily, and favour the idea of Michael being Batman in this video, because in this very scene, he has Peter Parker peeing himself. Typical Batman fanboy if I do say so myself.

[@Stew91]

The use of the red and green light in this scene is brilliant. Fantastic writing. I also like how they trust the audience enough to have Vulture just straight up go, "Does she know?". and not, "Are you Spiderman?"

[@michaelnally2841]

A great way to showcase he’s put two and two together and the red being he’s just about there and the green is like “bingo I’ve got good old Spider-Man”

[@shooterDisease]

It’s also such a great touch how he was so excited on catching on to Pete’s secret that Liz had to remind of, ya know, the green light lol The green light had a purpose beyond it being thematic

[@HoodGoblin]

I love how quickly Toomes put it all together. “Good ol’ Spider-Man.”

[@UFOUAPMagnet]

Powerful scene of psychological positioning. Pete could rip his head off with his bare hands, with no effort. But, he cant. He is powerless to sit and be threatened by him. He showed a lot of control and humility.

[@hades_7727]

Well actually no he can't seeing how he's A) Just a teenager and has still a mindset of a teenager and not some psychopath B) He knows even if he gets a scratch on her dad in the car it would look suspicious and cause a lot of commotion in the car, especially seeing how her dad has a gun and it could go off in a fight C) Even if he could, he'd be the only one to blame since Liz(I believe is her name) left them two alone

[@gelothegogang]

@@hades_7727 Superhuman strength/reflexes/agility/durability not to mention he casually dodges bullets thanks to his Spider sense. He could've grabbed the gun before the guy could pull the trigger because he could make a move faster than a normal human, and he could've taken him down without killing him in just one hit before he could even react thus preventing a needless commotion, he'd be able to do it guaranteed if Peter wanted, but that's not how the story was written.

[@jaredpp4151]

@@hades_7727 i mean you literally just proved is his point.

[@elijahstark3663]

@@gelothegogang at this point in time he didn’t have the Spider sense but he had a gun pointed at him in point blank range with no room to move

[@gelothegogang]

@@elijahstark3663 He has his Spider sense, its been shown in Civil War when Bucky threw something at him when he wasn't looking, lets say even if he doesn't have it he still has superhuman strength/reflexes/agility, he still moves and reacts faster than a normal human, and Peter is aware of the situation unlike in Civil War, he could dodge in that small room for sure, if not he ends up breaking the damn car while doing so, he could bob and weave, however I'm perfectly sure he could react before the guy pulls the trigger, Spiderman 2099 dodges bullets and he doesn't even have a spider sense due to him still having superhuman reflexes and agility.

[@sonarata]

When she kept talking the whole theatre was like “YOOOO STOPP”

[@danster442]

Most unrealistic thing is the fact that he wasn’t instantly honked at for waiting at the light in NYC

[@yezen6889]

Liz: "Don't let him intimidate you." Vulture: *pulls out a gun*

[@w1ndgeneral226]

*I SURRENDER!*

[@fantin298]

Copied

[@ripp3rjak934]

Peter should of been like "Put that gun away sir"

[@senpie9087]

Vulture: *pulls out Batman Glare*

[@Reznight]

Get your own comment dude

[@Simplyred2003]

Liz: “dont let him intimidate you 😁” 2 secs later Liz´s father: (pulls out gun)

[@llRoyalty]

😂

[@billyjoe8185]

I am so not intimidated right now

[@natwalsh2710]

O_O I’M intimidated though… *Trembles*

[@johanandhira5429]

That moment when a regular dad gives more dread than half of MCU villains battling with power of gods

[@rchai433]

Yall see that look and sigh Peter did to her at 0:50? He was genuinely pissed at her for yapping and revealing his identity. Girl couldn't shut them lips up

[@87alsjth]

This scene was intense watching it in the theatre lol. His smile at 1:39 is just so dang creepy!

[@ColdestSubZero]

Try watching it in the front seats

[@antoniomedina1398]

My heart was pounding so damn fast and I got 90 layers of goosebumps.

[@letsgo_inc]

I was like, "GURL SHUT UP. U EXPOSING UR MANS"

[@ashdude55]

crap i didnt notice that... that was really unsettling

[@jadespider5451]

87alsjth it looks hilarious to but still creepy

[@dylanadams3896]

Liz: yeah you disappeared like you always do, like you did in D.C Michael Keaton: *huh look at that the kid's pulling a me*

[@theiosif3632]

The Vulture is such a lame villain. Yet somehow, Keaton makes him one of the most compelling characters in the MCU.

[@MegaMerlin5]

He would've made one hell of a green goblin

[@arjungrewal17]

@@MegaMerlin5 he would've but defoes portrayal of goblin is fantastic, he has the emotion, the aggression and the devious look

[@MegaMerlin5]

@@arjungrewal17 two words Beetle Juice

[@jordancrooks6752]

I mean vuluture was a threat to spiderman even on the comics

[@adamhogan5442]

@@jordancrooks6752 uh no he isn't he's canonaly one of his weakest villains and the weakest sinister six

[@kncnetko7789]

Keaton, best Batman and a very good villain

[@phylypdecuk7815]

Peter was like: Liz, can you just please shut up

[@SwordsmanMercenary]

Michael Keaton should play old Bruce Wayne, in a live action Batman Beyond movie.

[@crashpal]

that is if Tim Burton agrees too. not the same without Burton and his gothic style

[@TrenElZombie]

Nop, future batman is not gothic xD

[@caikelm5766]

How about The Dark Knight Returns?

[@chrisbryan2333]

Brilliant suggestion.

[@carlkeenan5975]

If they do that they need to get tim burton to direct

[@Synphus]

Peter: "I'll show your daughter a good time when you fix this damn door!"

[@H3Y0o]

I remembered watching this in the cinema back then when it first came out. Me and my friend were extremely impressed by this scene, especially how devious Michael Keaton's performance was, so chilling and ominous that it's easily the most unforgettable scene in Homecoming.

[@Whatchamawhozit]

Keaton plays a villian in a move from the 90's called Pacific Heights... I recommend you check it out.

[@fuzzyscarfandmittens4772]

Michael Keaton. What an actor. The absolute menace he shows in this scene is what nightmares are made of.

[@jkoff76]

"Now you go on in there and show my daughter a good time. Just not too good." "So we talking third base?" BANG!

[@MalcolmXtreme]

Credits: Spider-Man will not return.

[@storyman385]

God damn that got dark

[@crashpal]

@@MalcolmXtreme Sony and MCU: too soon

[@TheGreenFan]

jkoff76 I don’t think you realize how hard I laughed at this comment 😂

[@Cund]

Explain the joke please.

[@Gakpolice]

This scene is a masterpiece. The moment that Vulture clocks that Spiderman is in the backseat of his car and the red glow from the traffic lights descends on his face, eyes wide and tone lowered. Just flawless. Best scene of the movie obviously.

[@FirstLast-ur6xt]

Ok nerd

[@Gakpolice]

@@FirstLast-ur6xt butthurt hater for no reason. L.

[@49.2k]

Facts man, he was made 😭😭

[@HempBraum]

don't forget the trumpet score

[@bullrider1368]

When I saw this in theatres, the part when he figures out who Peter is & says “Good ol’ Spider-Man” I thought in my mind, “He really is the world’s greatest detective”. 🤣

[@akaimpc7237]

Michael Keaton is one great damn actor

[@AWDTH1111]

This scene along with Tony watching the footage of Winter Soldier killing his parents made me so uncomfortable in a marvel movie.

[@Tan87ful]

Me too

[@kaaluha]

the tension is crazy

[@Sathya_1996]

Same

[@Qwnntm]

I still feel uneasy just thinking about this scene. And the civil war one too.

[@johnprice2012]

Vulture as a news reporter: “young man killed to death”

[@alipsheep216]

lol

[@GoggleMan25]

This was such a tense scene the first time I saw this movie, and still is. One of the best moments in any spider-man movie

[@fergalreid]

You know, there's an alternative way to read this scene: that Peter isn't actually intimidated by the gun or the threats at all; that he knows he could just easily take the gun with his super reflexes, and that instead what's stopping him, what he's thinking about, is how this is all going to totally mess up Liz' life, no matter what. That's consistent with the first thing he says when he does confront the Vulture later "how could you do this to Liz". With this interpretation, the Vulture's threats are kind of tragic, and ironic; and Peter's hesitation is from compassion rather than fear.

[@commanderkeen3787]

Physically, Peter is faster and stronger than Vulture. Psychologically, he is not stronger. He's still a frightened kid and he was clearly scared during this scene. Toomes has killed before in cold blood, Parker has not. When you're eye to eye with someone like that, your "special powers" mean very little, it becomes about more a game of wits, and Parker is far less experienced than Toomes in the law of the streets

[@Globeguy1]

@@commanderkeen3787 He doesn't have to be psychologically stronger due to immense physical ability difference, do you think you can be intimidated by a 4 year old who talks tough? Yea that's basically what's happening here except Vulture's not even at 4 year old level without his suit against Peter.

[@gelothegogang]

@@commanderkeen3787 Bruh Peter has fought criminals before already, he's dodge bullets and fought heroes in Civil War, besides give me or anybody Spider powers like Peter and I won't even be threatened by a gun when I know I could casually dodge bullets and move and react faster than a normal human.

[@commanderkeen3787]

@@Globeguy1 The whole point of Spider-Man and the "With great power, comes great responsibility" line is that there is a young kid behind those incredible Spidey powers. Entering into a battle of wits with a hardened killer puts Peter at a disadvantage, he doesn't have the experience or killer instinct that Toomes does, regardless of how strong he is. Strength doesn't always give you the edge. Lex Luthor brings down Superman with Kryptonite. Knowing that he will never be a strong as the Man of Steel, he is smart enough to identify and exploit his weakness. That's the killer instinct that Peter lacks. For this reason I always wanted to see Peter take on Carnage, because it would be interesting to see how Spider-Man handles an actual serial killer

[@ShnNar1000x]

I think the fact that he was not actually intimidated at all is that he immediately went after Toomes the moment he left the car. No hesitation - he was going to get the guy, despite the threats against him and his family. In fact, the threats probably made him more determined. But he could not do anything at that moment in the car without giving himself away or creating a mess he could not explain.

[@commanderkeen3787]

Excellent, well-written scene. This shows that simple dialogue can still be more tense than a hundred CGI explosions. Toomes clearly respects Parker and everything he did for his daughter, but wants him to stay out of his way. Parker is scared of Toomes but wants to do the right thing. In the end, Toomes still protects Parker's identity

[@MidoriNatsume]

That second sentence is so random and nonsensical. Off course explosion are not for tension, they are for spectacle.

[@commanderkeen3787]

@@MidoriNatsume Actually you're wrong there, little buddy. Often explosions in film will be used for purposes of building tension because they threaten the safety of the protagonist or other characters we care about. A great action film like Speed (1994), for example, uses multiple explosions not for spectacle at all, but for building tension. How ironic that your own comment, which only you upvoted yourself, is entirely random, nonsensical and idiotic 😂

[@MidoriNatsume]

@@commanderkeen3787 Nice of you to assume I upvote my comments. At least you had the decency to use more original insults that "Weeb", I appreciate that given modern internet.

[@aly-zy4th]

@@MidoriNatsume You seem full of yourself, then again to be expected on the "modern internet" as you would put it

[@commanderkeen3787]

@@MidoriNatsume lol sad bruh, try again

[@Alan8tor]

“Don’t let him intimidate you” Too late

[@zombiejager9735]

The character of Vulture alone gives me hope that they can capture what made the Raimi villains so great in NWH.