Ulta Employee EXPOSES What They Do, Loren Gray FORCED to Delete New Photo

[@reveluvly]

I totally get Bianca’s point with the makeup. At first, it felt like she was attacking Ulta but later it felt like she was just discouraging people from returning makeup. I think Ulta is totally in the clear for this situation, what they’re doing is safe and sanitary. It sucks, but it’s not their fault

[@kamars5664]

Yeah, like you can't 100% know it hasn't been used ... you know if someone got an infection all the people who are saying it's wasteful would be up in arms saying ULTA shouldn't sell returned products.

[@sofiahoes7143]

Skylar Lange i understand why they also won’t let them take it home cause it could be tampered with

[@yiskak6341]

It's also what most makeup stores do anyway, like do people not know about this? 😂

[@Asyamariemeredith]

M S FACTS!! :))) -an Ulta employee!!

[@blakberri1460]

I totally agree and thought the same thing, maybe Bianca could have worded it better because half the video I was like "girl, why do you want them to re-shelf it ew."

[@annika2963]

It makes sense why Ulta does it. It would be much worse if they just put it back on the shelf.

[@anniebunny26]

And if people dumpster dived and then tried to return it again, or sold it to someone. Ewww.

[@slezzy8007]

that’s what i was thinking. i was kinda scared they would just put it back on the shelf

[@Lurkerlady]

It could be a huge health risk, I dont understand why people are sooo mad about it.

[@blueribenaberry]

It's a horrific waste of product & packaging. They could easily find ways around this, get employees to sign waivers, sealed products could be donated, or if that's not viable (which I get, especially now)! *at the very least* they could choose to work with the companies to recycle it.

[@ashleym.6072]

Annika Joseph I think they should just put a mark through the bar code and give it to women’s shelters..

[@Threehundredandsixtyeight]

The artist has a right to call out people stealing her work. She didn’t overreact at all.

[@faviolarodriguez9095]

She then in a second post made clear it meant in general

[@abbykelly75]

@@faviolarodriguez9095 plus in the first post it was pretty clear she wasn’t calling out Loren. she specifically stated that it’s rude to make loren believe the art was for her, meaning the fan account that changed it

[@SR-fq2jz]

I know! She did NOT overreact.

[@ste.f]

If anyone was overreacting, it was the people commenting lol

[@sachiarc]

“why couldn’t she ask loren privately” uhhh there’s a very low probability that loren would’ve responded to a random dm. It’s so sad to see this artist being attacked by people. Art takes time, effort and skill so it’s completely reasonable and justified to be angry when multiple people steal your art.

[@nito575]

EXACTLY she has 19.2 MILLIONS followers. She must get a lot of dms, some from fans, some from haters EVERY DAY. She would need multiple people to dm to Loren to notice, no matter how good she is. Is just not possible unless she has multiple people reviewing it every day.

[@skeletontoes7692]

If you post your art online, it will eventually be stolen. That's just an inevitability.

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

@@skeletontoes7692 That's doesn't mean it's right. We can help to change that. With awareness, tech, programs, rules or laws. We are moving into the future with things and jobs being more digital, so people need their work protected. It was just as much hard work. How is it different from stealing something physical? Why do some people say "support indies and small businesses and creators" yet make it hard for them like the ones on social media? When some people can only afford to start their work or business on social media.

[@ivorly8769]

With the ulta one I kind of get it so that like she said, people can’t steal it, and the person using it could’ve tampered with it or had a condition which contaminated it.

[@bl6973]

crusty leaf That and also any contaminants on the surface.

[@aileenvillalta5322]

It is wasteful but I guess from now people should take measures to ensure that they will truly like the product they are buying so they won’t have to return it. That’s what the testers are for and you could always give it to a friend who wants it.

[@allisa6010]

“So they can’t dumpster dive and steal it” so you throw it away? How selfish. ( not her but the people that tell her to do it ) it’s so selfish

[@noemilita1354]

@@allisa6010 they werent trying to be selfish, they were trying to throw it away because if someone puts it back up for sale and its contaminated and give people pink eye or infections thats why they throw it away

[@extraordinxry5191]

Allisa its not selfish so its selfish to care about peoples health ya i don't think so :/

[@squidkid7454]

“She could’ve asked Loren privately” yeah because people with millions of followers check their DM requests everyday

[@avocadotoast3087]

Init it’s Lorens fault. There’s just something about Loren that I really just don’t like.

[@Lazulite]

And it isn't even only a problem with just loren. She mentioned ppl do this all the time so no wonder she wanted to make a general statement

[@aleeeexmn]

Strawberry Milk if she wanted to make a general statement then she wouldn’t have tagged her and called her out by name

[@anzufutaba7026]

Omg Anzu 🥺

[@amygrey6006]

squid kid I just dont think so . They've got mils to answer . That will take forever. I remember I didnt ans DMS for z whole week, i got 12k followers , and familty members to ans ppl who idk , all shorts. Soooooòoòòòooo

[@reganmarie5007]

The whole Ulta thing isn’t necessarily a bad thing. ALL companies, (especially cosmetic companies), need to destroy products after they’re returned. Especially now during a pandemic, it’s the safest thing to do. Putting it back on the shelf isn’t sanitary.

[@IndependentOreo]

reganmarie *returns tv* Employee: GUYS *IT’S TIME*

[@lujain3234]

INDEPENDENT OREO funny bit that’s different used makeup can give u pink eye n etc

[@ligma3278]

Maybe they should have a no return policy

[@ingridaah3756]

It is actually like if people return food if there is something wrong with it like if it has something you’re allergic to they can’t sell it again, because it might have been poisoned or drugged and put back together.

[@kaeleighgilmore]

reganmarie exactly! it’s just like halloween candy, people can put chemicals or other things in the makeup 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

[@CrayBeauty25]

This is why in Sweden we have "open the package = no return" policy.

[@candicecart9786]

Some companies in the USA have that policy as well... but Ulta (bc I think they just want you to buy buy buy) they don’t have that policy- I asked the other week when I was looking at face masks (hydrating treatments) if the employee had used it or knew which one was better... she just told me “well if you use some of the masks and don’t like it, you can just return it within 60 days” 🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️

[@linlinthedinosaur]

I worked at a shoe store here in the US and if was wore outside we can't return and it has to be clean too. People are nasty

[@apersonthatmakesstuff1187]

Someone can re package it tho

[@yanelisserrano4170]

Sameeee! Here in Massachusetts! It’s more sanitary

[@lottetea8550]

Yes, I was so surprised to hear that in the US people can just return (unsealed) cosmetics!

[@celestiandraws7330]

I'm sorry. It's not a big deal? Do you not know how miserable artists feel when their art is stolen? It's THEIR work. It's THEIR time. It's THEIR effort. They work hard.

[@emmanuellaolondo4011]

Celestian Draws yes but it’s not Loren fault tho

[@paigep.1885]

True dat. It happened to me

[@FRAN-lb5fc]

@@emmanuellaolondo4011 she can say I'm sorry at least too

[@fshigmi]

Factss

[@queenpeach9284]

no, my name is tyler how can Loren give credit on a pfp? Even if she put it on her story it’d be gone after a day so there’s really no way to give the original person credit. And she thought it was for her because of the fan page. Both Loren and Marly are not in the wrong, I think the fan page was wrong

[@criticalchild2400]

Stealing art is stealing art. Regardless of credit. She didn't overreact at all.

[@yoanaru7927]

She credit her bruh move on if they credit her it means they didn’t claim it as theirs!

[@Lxuminee]

Høney that doesn’t mean a lot. A lot of people need to give consent for other people to repost their art. Art isn’t simple and it’s not something basic. It’s something a lot of people use as a job and people who repost art without consent can lead to consequences. You might think of it as a promotion but to others it’s theft.

[@wouldyoulikesomecoffee6]

@@yoanaru7927 so what. Let's say u draw something for the last like 4 hours. And then someone else takes it changes it a bit says it's theirs and ends up being more liked than urs which is the original. U don't even understand. This has happened to me and in the end they didn't even try to change a bit my drawing they just took it and wrote as a caption "it took me so much time" and then I literally dm this person from another acc and asked her to send me a drawing she made cuz she said in her bio that she makes drawins for ppl and she sent another drawing from my page. Well u can understand how mad I was. It's not that simple

[@PGOuma]

@@unephemeral79 she wasnt talking about her

[@PGOuma]

@@yoanaru7927 if they ask not to edit it, then yes, it is a big deal

[@ariannadshae]

i think it’s SO funny that people attacked an artist for being upset that her art was being edited and used by people with a big following without credit or acknowledgement. anybody would be mad. if the artist who edited it credited the original artist loren should have contacted her and asked.

[@lulu_luvsu]

agreed, but they dont understand the work and dedication artists put into their art 😒

[@ThatmfFluffo]

10/10 agree !

[@mochi_1070]

@Eridanus Eridani imagine you spend 20h on a drawing and people steal it and edit it just to get the credit. Yea no big deal at all

[@danielaregal7372]

Eridanus Eridani and? why don’t you try and put yourself into the artists shoes who’s been dealing with stolen art for possibly years. It gets tiring. People don’t respect artists and it shows.

[@aubreythomas8569]

Eridanus Eridani tell me why shouldn’t an artist get credit for their own work? Think about it like this, if you had a big project at work or school and your partner who was supposed to do it with you claimed the work you did as their own. Would you be upset? Would you talk to your boss or your teacher? This is about giving credit where credit is due and not STEALING! Her work is her intellectual property. To say it isn’t a big deal and the artist is essentially clout chasing is belittling to the plight of every artist who gets their work stolen.

[@karan.kk.h]

The ppl hating on Marley is basically just ‘tell me you aren’t an artist without actually telling me’

[@thatchick1205]

What did y’all think they did with returned makeup when it’s open?? Seriously. There’s a reason they do that. They can’t sanitize it safely so yeah. Get a grip people.

[@kaitlynm9463]

Dumpster divers know what they’re getting into dude. So do people who buy used makeup. It’s always a gamble, destroying it serves no purpose.

[@tisme8157]

@@kaitlynm9463 words of a dirty dumpster diver

[@Syanri2]

She said they also did it to unopened items as well.

[@SakuraFanBoy]

But like the unopened ones like what? I guess precaution, still though.

[@ratboygirl]

​@@tisme8157 if a poor or homeless person wants to dumpster dive who's to stop them? why judge someone for that?

[@LMatchi]

i swear tik tok is really getting toxic like even when she was giving a good explanation on why she had to destroy them, people wanna still be braindead and attack her smh

[@ArielMDavis]

lana k Right

[@wonhoscake1214]

It’s tiktok so it’s not surprising lol

[@912009]

isn't the majority of tiktok children? Makes sense that they're brain dead, because their brain hasn't developed all the way. Also kids in my school were so mean...

[@jurassicjaws]

tiktok isn't toxic already? There's a huge problem with eating disorder communities enabling each other and predators trying to slide in the DMs of literal children.

[@namjoonsoldmyjamsfor3dolla404]

lana k this is why I don’t use tiktok (and it’s cringe)

[@bubblegumlizzy2492]

at first i was like “that’s horrible why would they throw out perfectly good makeup?!?!” but after watching it it makes more sense

[@marinaSassygUrl88]

true

[@sachaford8640]

nalla bandz but it’s for YOUR SAFETY

[@huntersreptiles2068]

Yeah exactly. People should not be able to return makeup and shampoos etc. Period. They just need to change their policy like come on 😂

[@zabranjenopusenje6317]

@@nallabandz5666 So would you like to use somebodys used lipstick?

[@melliscool]

nalla bandz did u not watch the video?

[@shinko6342]

So uh. There is a GOOD reason why it's done. You never know what contaminates come into the products. You never know what could have gotten into what. It's a health and safety hazard NOT to do this. Wasteful yes. Then dont return your ulta items and give them away instead.

[@floppa7766]

Exactly... Contamination isn't a joke.. Sometimes it can be less harmful but also some can be fatal especially of u have any sort of allergy

[@lauringrace1389]

Exactly. Just give it away so it doesn't go to waste. Things going to waste is very sad, but people could be doing a lot more beyond just complaining and bitching.

[@gummy5862]

I mean giving it away after you’ve used it is still really nasty. Just be mindful of what you buy and try not to throw things away.

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

@@gummy5862 Just be honest that it's used and let people to choose to accept the risks or not. Some are willing.

[@luvuberrymuch49]

She doesn't need to apologise for calling people out for stealing her art! Editing someone else's art without permission is definitely stealing and she has every right to call ppl out for it. Besides she calmly aired her frustrations in the insta story why were people mad at HER for OTHER PEOPLE stealing her stuff???

[@mialiriano143]

the volume inside this bus is astronomical

[@aleeeexmn]

Ace people were mad because she didn’t need to tag Loren but she did meaning she was calling Loren our for stealing when it had nothing to do with her because someone else stole it and told Loren they made it for her so she should have called out the person who stole and edited her art but instead she called out Loren

[@jay787aj]

Elexus Nunez Because it seemed as if the girl had edited it herself. Which is why she was tagged, but that doesn’t mean the artist should have to apologize for how they felt. I’m glad it was resolved though.

[@alipali]

Ikr. These guys laughing at her when THEY should apologise is ridiculous

[@dearsofia9895]

@@jay787aj but did she know it was her that edited it well idk but I'm on both sides the creator did take time, then someones just gonna steal it!? wow rude but again Loren didn't know and thought it was for her and its good she did apologize because the creator didn't know that Loren did not know it wasn't for her but then saying some stuff like she did steal it hmm yah that it

[@mia.m6400]

It’s HER art she’s allowed to address the situation of people stealing HER art. She wasn’t even rude to begin with. She’s not “overreacting”, she’s tired of people stealing what she worked hard to complete. Why do y’all always act so entitled? If you aren’t the artist you have no say in the matter.

[@User292-m3b]

Facts!

[@aestheticgravity5716]

Than she shouldn’t post it on The INTERNET. If she doesn’t want ppl stealing it she should sell and not allow people who buy her stuff to post it. If she’s that sensitive about her work the internet is not the place for her

[@kisshibie7283]

@@aestheticgravity5716 Actually, artists who want to make a living off of it HAVE to put it on the internet. I'm a 3D artist and it takes hours of work to finish one product. It's not being sensitive its called being upset.

[@Clanka1]

I don’t understand, So ppl who are artists when you try to sell your art do you go on a certain website to sell that’s made for selling art is there one?? Or do you guys just go on like Instagram or Twitter. I was just wondering I hope I’m not being rude

[@wandering6252]

I agree! she was actually so nice in her story pointing out the stolen are. She just explained her feelings on the situation and stuff. Celebs have made more harsh call out posts than that....

[@baxel54230]

That’s literally sanitary laws...they’re not going to sell reused make up ffs! Did people lose their brain ? Explanation: imagine someone buys used makeup and gets pink eye, they would use this opportunity to sue Ulta and make millions

[@maxinetran1446]

I know! And to the people who think they should donate it. I’ve heard so many stories of people returning counterfeit makeup as part of a scam or just tampering with it period (switching out product for cheaper product). No one wants to accept that kind of liability if something goes wrong

[@moniyat]

Didn't Ulta used to resell barely used makeup too? And didn't they get sued over it or something

[@Lalalaitsme]

And is Bianca fired?

[@kamars5664]

People don't remember the whole Tylenol poisoned bottles back in the 80s before tamper-proof packaging was made. There are wackos out there who will poison things just to poison them.

[@lisahenry20]

I remember hearing a story about a store refusing to refund condoms, because who wants to take that kind of risk with people's health and wellbeing? At least they were letting people return the product, because what would happen if they didn't get returned? They'd just not get used and thrown away or get given to someone else, which people can still do instead of returning. A business can't risk reselling it or giving it away because then they'll be liable for if someone gets ill.

[@tinywalnut6337]

I'm real confused. Bianca: This sucks. Also Bianca: This is totally fine and good.

[@lisahenry20]

Ikr. Her opinion about it changes depending on who she's talking to.

[@raerohan4241]

I guess she meant something like this “hey, we do this to returned items, so don’t return stuff okay? And yes this is a good and necessary practice, not returning is the only way to avoid this”

[@TheSuperFairy]

I guess she ment that it sucks that the products need to be destroyed and she feels bad for doing it buuuuuuut in the end it s for the best🤷🏼‍♀️

[@stephanieknowsbest]

From the video, I just concluded that she understands Ulta’s perspective and the reasons as to why the makeup can’t be resold, but still finds it a complete waste to mess up all of these products that are otherwise completely fine. Right cause, wrong method.

[@tinywalnut6337]

@@TheSuperFairy I think you are correct.

[@evakrajenbrink7630]

Poor marly, getting your art stolen and edited sucks and she didn’t overrreact

[@esmeray9704]

Maybe becasue someone stole it and tagged Loren's name ya never know :|

[@bored5182]

eva krajenbrink but Loren didn’t steal it

[@jae2ology]

Emma Isagirlgaming but her fans did

[@chello9408]

2MuchJay as Marly said they gave credit :)

[@kelseybab]

Your friend in the dark they tagged her

[@iibunnyhxpii7316]

Bruh “you coulda privately told her.” I know for a fact that Loren being a huge influencer with millions of fans wouldn’t have responded to it unless it started getting attention. A single DM wouldn’t get noticed. She did the right thing

[@odysseythompson8858]

iibunnyhxpii exactly🙄like ppl are pressed at the artist for no reason influencers only care about what they look like to the public. As if she would’ve taken it down if it were talked in private

[@maple5800]

if she saw the fanart dm then she could see other dms too.

[@tannerz7411]

Mxple The fan art wasn’t a dm, they had tagged her in it.

[@toku3469]

Unrelated topic: i love ur profile pic lol

[@ninthepenguin462]

Periodt

[@CWazBroadwayBandGeek]

“I feel so bad for Loren.” You wouldn’t be saying that if it was your own art being stolen.

[@jackieisntcool9306]

The people who defend that stuff don’t even make art most of the time

[@hannia3014]

its that loren didnt know that the art was stolen so its not lorens fault it the fan acc that tagged her in it she thought someone made it for her and thats why she put it as her pfp. ppl feel bad for loren bc she was literally ATTACKED by artists when loren didnt have anything to do with the situation as she didnt know it was stolen and edited

[@LylyNynx]

@@hannia3014 the marly girl didnt attack her. So idk about what other artists though.

[@animonae7739]

Nah, I would still say it since loren didn't even know the art was stolen.

[@arrleiii6785]

I would be mad if someone just literally copied my drawing.

[@yanazbobanaz]

I can't tell you how many times people have tried to return hair products that are clearly tampered with or they replaced the actual product with something cheap. You cannot resell that. You can't trust what people do with products once they leave the store. Sure it's wasteful, but better safe than sorry.

[@Da69expert1]

Dude if someone is desperate enough to rummage through the trash and apply those products to their skin, they should be able to accept any and all repercussions of that decision.

[@Apples765]

Shouldn't we not accept opened items for return?

[@gazingsky7987]

@@Da69expert1 Problem is, they can sue the store/brand if they get skin issues claiming they bought it after dumpster diving for easy money or free products.

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

@@Da69expert1 3:49 Yeah, but Bianca said dumpster divers return or sell those products. But if people are willing to buy from unofficial sellers then they should know there are risks.

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

@@gazingsky7987 How can a store be sued if the people chose to get it from the trash?

[@khanhhuynh5434]

These people will NEVER understand why it’s a big deal to steal art.

[@ΚατερίναΣ-ο7λ]

But there are less fortunate ppl out there that cant afford the high priced pallets ,lipsticks etc .. why destroying it if its fine ... Why make everything about the money.. art is supposed to be everyones privilege.. 😕

[@macklorine5015]

Κατερίνα Σ. Bro what 💀💀💀 Art is not supposed to be everyone’s 😭💀💀💀

[@nimeris.]

exactly! I'm an artist and I wouldn't want anyone stealing the drawings I spent hours/days on.

[@ΚατερίναΣ-ο7λ]

@@macklorine5015 i didnt mean it that way 😂i mean if there is a chance that someone could have it ,why destroy it ..i mean its not like the brands gonna lost 40 dollars ..like they care

[@kyleag86]

@@ΚατερίναΣ-ο7λ theyre talking about the second story not the first

[@danielleandrade6345]

I can’t believe people are getting pressed about the whole makeup thing, it’s so unsanitary go search videos about sample makeups in store it’s disgusting the type of bacteria’s they find in them

[@hehehehehehehehe9043]

Literally watched a lady put on the sample lipsticks and i just couldn't 🤢

[@rosehill9537]

In the age of covid19 I hope ppl realise just how responsible it is to dispose something that might be used. It's could be contaminated it might harm. Health is priceless.

[@mars-yk9il]

Don K LMAOAOAKS

[@AntiVegan]

Depends on if it's sealed or expired or not lol

[@rosa97509]

I'm an artist myself, and speaking for myself, I think having your art stolen is one of the worst feelings that an artist can have.. (fortunately it never happened to me but it happened to many artists)

[@AddorableV]

Absolutely.

[@koffee_1024]

my art prolly got stolen 5 times, i lost faith in instagram they never take this issue srsly

[@rosa97509]

@@koffee_1024 aah I'm so sorry! I'm glad mine never got stolen but I don't really share it much so that's also why😔

[@annaclements6488]

This sucks. Also, on a not as related note, not being able to draw the other eye.

[@_madstar_]

@@koffee_1024 i post my arts on instagram too but i put it on the private option, it's safer

[@TheOneTheOnlyMars]

Of course they destroy a customer return! You wouldn’t want to buy lipstick that was previously owned by a stranger. As for dumpster diving, that’s not you or me finding some treasures in the trash to save a couple of bucks one day. Dumpster diving IS a business. People hope to steal large quantities to resell to unsuspecting customers. These customers are not informed that these products are stolen or have been deposed of. These customers don’t know they’re buying trash. It’s a cutthroat business, too, where they don’t care about a person’s wellbeing. Other dumpster divers are their competition. It may sound silly to you, but many resort to violence regardless of whether or not you’re aware of it. For safety reasons, I would suggest that you don’t put stuff on your face that has been previously owned or in the trash.

[@najwasabilayusuf1611]

“Then put a watermark” this is always so annoying, when u make smth original it’s under copyright law, blaming the artist cuz the ‘didn’t add a watermark’ is disgusting. Also, the drawing was traced, it wouldn’t matter anyway if a watermark was on it or not

[@bethany508]

Ikr, and watermarks can be removed also. For some reason when an artists work gets stolen its always their fault somehow :/ when really it clearly isn't.

[@hephaestus5859]

Exactly. As an instagram artist myself, it feels awful to have my work stolen/reposted. It feels like all your hard work goes down the drain.

[@cynthia-fu6lj]

ok karen

[@werewolfcrush2131]

fr there was an artist who put a huge watermark on their work.. hours later it was completely erased and reposted to pinterest 😀

[@mars-lf8gi]

Exactly, watermarks sometimes ruin my good art.

[@ironslidess46]

as a struggling artist who’s had their art stolen by others with a bigger influence, been attacked for “making a big deal” about my art being completely stolen and told that “im just jEalOus” for absolutely no reason, yeah, marly had every right to be upset

[@nova-qs6th]

ironslidess it never happened to me personally but as an artist I can kind of imagine

[@medameg]

ok but how would Loren know like chill

[@memesandstuffso]

THANK YOU

[@ashhyy1355]

@@medameg Neither people are in the wrong. That artist had the right to get upset that people stole her art. As an artist when someone steals your hard work and claims it as there own gets annoying. Loren apologized because she didn't know and then the girl also apologized for attacking her. The person that should be getting heat is the person who traced the work and stole it.

[@bonzaitje]

Clown Dotcom // she didn’t even apologise, she just said she didn’t know.

[@joeyy8939]

Honestly...stealing someone’s art is very bad and the artist didn’t overreact she didn’t even say anything bad she was upset becuase her art was stolen anyone would react the same! But I have to say Loren really took this in a good way no over the top explanation which I really appreciate :3

[@medameg]

period

[@dagoth_ur_official7604]

Johedus I’m an artist and I have no patience for people who steal art. I understand why the artist was so upset, she had every right to be. That’s intellectual property, and it’s incredibly insulting when someone takes that from you and uses it.

[@kingoverseas9052]

The Tik Tok responses were typical of the demographic it's aiming for, kids, and so I agree that she is absolutely within her rights to sound the alarm, especially since it continues to happen.

[@camilasantaella7784]

@@dagoth_ur_official7604 Exactly. She was only getting heat cause people are toxic and always defend people in an unusual way. (btw I meant some fans not all fans)

[@camilasantaella7784]

iiHoney beeii I never said loren did anything wrong, I said sometimes people get toxic.

[@wolfyboo4056]

Even if Lauren didn't know, I feel like she should have taken the chance to educate her fan base that stealing art is not okay. Though it's good she changed the pic and stuff, but I feel like her response could have been better

[@alexfrog546]

I got so annoyed when people say "it's not a big deal" to the person who's art got edited. That's her art and if she doesnt want anyone to edit it that's fine

[@briyuh4630]

Exactly 🙄

[@Lin4346]

I have had my art stolen several times and then the people defending others that edit my art attack me for being mad abt it. People online can be so toxic.

[@elena4875]

People who don’t make art just don’t understand what it’s like to get their own work stolen :/

[@teacuptea9155]

Elena exactly

[@LoganL1014]

Exactly, I’m a professional photographer and I actually have it in my contract that clients and/or others in possession of the photos, are not allowed to re-edit them. It’s an insult to all the hard work I put into my job and they usually edit it badly so it taints the style you have worked so hard to put your name on.

[@possumfriend2335]

So, people get angry when it's cleaned and restocked and they also get angry when it's destroyed so it can't be resold.

[@annie_kwok]

Pretty much

[@ReyeLynn]

Literally, everyone always has to say something bad

[@madiCOB]

I think the biggest issue was the fact that it could not be ‘taken’ from the dumpster. You know - ‘free’ make up...

[@jemish_3353]

I find it so weird,Because I thought using say like someone's lipstick,mascara etc. was actually bad.

[@MissKitae]

@@madiCOB Dumpsters get locked up because that "free" make up isn't typically being kept and used; nine times in ten it gets sold on something Mercari or Marketplace or eBay.

[@MelsLife570]

I would be disgusted if it were put back on the shelves.

[@cosmicfive7860]

Dang right

[@bubblegum.7361]

Mel’s Life570 for real:/

[@doodoo3579]

If it’s unopened and unused, I think it’s different tho

[@grayscalefeline]

it would depend on how it was used,, like if it wasn't used at all then i would be fine imo

[@kxaras9621]

Mel’s Life570 samee Yes

[@nanmause.animator]

Art theft makes me hesitant to post anything anymore.

[@grecia3146]

Why would people attack Bianca? She is just a employe.

[@bazuka4247]

Because people say it's a bad thing to do and she shouldnt do it

[@janaalzamil6942]

Broken Time but it isn’t her fault nor she can change it

[@dyownne]

Exactly, she can’t change it.

[@izzym0lina]

@@heartzneo8634 ok and let's spread cross-contamination and get them sued. like why would u put it back did u not watch the video?

[@cosmicnic]

@@heartzneo8634 no they cant, its a health regulation you just never know. Wasteful but what can ya do 🤷‍♀️

[@yvettetshuma6991]

I bet even if they didn’t throw it away they would be angry...

[@psychott6]

Yvette Tshuma That’s an actual problem, so yes, a LOT MORE people would be angry

[@xFuzzyLove]

Yep this brought up before this was happening. They were reselling used products ugh... 7:11 🤮

[@joliax1646]

Loren could've apologized for accidentally stealing her art. why is the artist getting the heat? she was rightfully upset her art is getting continously stolen

[@non8079]

Jorgina Fuentes loren did apologize

[@madelyna9338]

what’s wrong with me o-O Not really she just addressed the situation but never said sorry.

[@zahraimran4788]

bcs its literally not her fault

[@ThatmfFluffo]

I think ur right. Loren could’ve Ben more careful with the edited pic and no joke, if she just clicked on the account she would’ve seen that there is just this edited pic and the others are not like the drawing. And the artist had a right to be mad. Just like she said, she worked hours on it and someone that is not careful enough just takes it. She could’ve done some research. Loren should apologize.

[@robberguy2253]

Ppl who don't draw or make other form of art (example music and writing) just being clowns not understanding why the artist got mad. If it was my art I'd be angry too I don't get why people don't see the problem, it's litereally stealing. Loren was the one who made it her profile pic and she should've at least said sorry and then move on. But she didn't, what just shows how she only changed it bcuz of the backflash/just doesn't care smh

[@dontexist8059]

I just wanna say as a dumpster diver I found a beautiful cat who is the sweetest girl named General P.S found her there and now I am her owner

[@katie3054]

You got the cat checked out right

[@sarahgolden2711]

@@katie3054 lol hopefully

[@jannyhawkins7135]

Yay! That’s awesome! I’m all about rescuing animals

[@wolfetteplays8894]

@@katie3054 nope. Big pharma shouldn’t be applied to animals too

[@dani_drawzz]

Awwww

[@malinasworld]

It breaks my heart to see people hound the artist for overreacting, it sucks when the art you put so much effort and heart into gets ripped off and used without credit.

[@tina-dw3ry]

😪you are brave enough to share you art with the world and it gets taken with no credit or question.

[@liam6772]

Ikr

[@Jackie-mx9fu]

Elise Duarte it makes me sooo mad that people say that the artist was overreacting they put dedication and time to it and for people just to say you’re exaggerating is just rude

[@goofyshirt7392]

Exactly There aren't enough people with your mindset

[@cherylalexandra8765]

Elise Duarte the thing is loren didn’t know plus the artist could’ve talk privately with loren

[@emmaayala1315]

I feel like she’s just doing her job she shouldn’t even have to explain

[@rosibunni2246]

Yah.

[@isabellamayer6385]

then why make the first video anyways???

[@Whydtheyaddusernames]

isabella mayer She explained to she made the video to show they have to break the makeup and it’s not just “put back on the shelf”. That way people know that it will just be thrown away even if they return it. Just in case someone might not want to be wasteful.

[@lauryn1911]

Im Bored oh yeah good point

[@Candi91481]

isabella mayer she explained she made the video to show people it’s not always right to return because that’s what they do with it,she just made the video to spread awareness,she does not want to waste so many things.

[@TeyaNekole1]

Sephora does the same thing Ulta does. It's just to make sure there's no cross contamination.

[@kittym.h.1926]

This. Especially at a time like this, there are posts up about not accepting returns due to Corona.

[@KatieKatt18]

Every kind of store does it because it’s the law.

[@CassidyStarke]

Why can people even return used make-up products?

[@lovelyxpew6716]

We bein knowinG😐

[@TeyaNekole1]

@@CassidyStarke There's many different cases for why people are allowed to return used makeup. i.e. foundation not being the right shade for you. I know I'd want to exchange or get my money back if I'm not going to be able to use it.

[@indominusdragonlee1805]

I’m glad that Ulta cared about what she was going through. And I didn’t know that they kept paying their employees throughout the closures, makes me want to purchase solely there.

[@omneity5579]

I’m so annoyed that Bianca was getting attacked just because she wrote paragraphs and Loren wrote 2 sentences. Like literally, the girl was just annoyed that another person had literally traced her work. To be honest, I don’t even know how she was chill and actually apologised i would’ve gone off for people attacking me.

[@hyunjinsmole5391]

fr

[@haidyn1230]

like was she NOT sopposed to speak up?? if anything it was good that she took the chance to explain more on the situation even saying that people have come to be confused when she’s tried to explain. So it makes perfect since that paragraphs would come from it. and she shouldn’t be even have to apologize bc she didn’t even do anything wrong but say it was an edited photo of her work? which again, is an understanding thing to speak on. both Loren and B responded normally calmly and it was done, why did fans have to stretch it over more!?

[@mahekkarnani9707]

I have a feeling that she's gonna get fired even though she didn't do anything wrong as such

[@crodudebro]

She should not share whats happening in the job. Thats private. And she just want attention. Thats what she get.

[@camilasantaella7784]

@@crodudebro How does she just want attention? She was doing an innocent video where it shows what they do with their returned makeup. Jeez.

[@anitahanjaab782]

CamiCami No, sis, Ulta will see this as bad publicity and would fire ‘em. I find it so irritating when people who work for Sephora or Ulta do TikTok s of their jobs instead of actually working and this is coming from someone who works at Sephora.

[@crodudebro]

@@camilasantaella7784 she should work in the work. Not doing tiktok videos. Besides she was literally whispering this means what she did is wrong so she is hiding.

[@cadeneelisabeth]

Çiğdem Can 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@chaldev3038]

The people saying "I feel bad for Loren" do they even realize how many hours it took us artists to sketch, lineart, clean lineart, color, shade, highlight and give a background to our drawings and art just for it to be stolen, traced, etc? It's sickening to say that the artist overreacted!

[@The_Pony]

This 💯 percent

[@millienne8201]

I mean, I’d get annoyed if someone borrowed one of my sentences in an essay, let along something I might have worked hours on! (Btw I’m not an artist, so I don’t really know how you feel. I sympathize with your righteous annoyance, but I can’t actually empathize)

[@scarxnnivs]

Chali Devilianne but it wasn’t even her fault, yes, she used it but she had no idea it was traced, they blamed her for something she didn’t do

[@gabi_c12]

I anger for u and artists🤍, Loren should not have stole the artists work and people trying to say they overacted don’t understand that it’s the artists literal own art piece and that Loren did no work in creating it or anything and that it takes so much effort and joy and passion into creating art pieces 🤍

[@BlazerGirl16]

And even though Loren didn’t know, she doesn’t deserve anyone to feel bad for HER, when she can’t even feel any sympathy to the artist to actually apologize with real care

[@elsaken2840]

The first one ?!? Tf , as I was watching it , I thought why in the world would it be a problem?? Isnt it the right thing to do??? People in the world really have nothing to do! 🙄

[@ih8mylife110]

Ok but can we just talk about how she broke the Kylie lip pencil, she looked like she didn't even try!

[@jksartstudy1001]

Omg I was thinking the same 😂

[@camilasantaella7784]

Literally, my noodle arms would give up in a millisecond 😂

[@luhjayluh]

She probably been doing it for like forever 😂😂

[@nicolewelch6165]

Shes done it before lol

[@swankelly]

She's gotten strong breaking them lip pencils lol

[@ronnie7557]

"You're so wasteful" "THATS UNSANITARYYY!!" Dude what do you want.

[@KudryavkaNoumiWafuu]

Beauty stores should just throw the stuff away, if someone buys it from someone sketchy online instead of at a store which SHOULDNT be selling you anything that's been touched by others then its on them, but i feel like thats a fair medium

[@ronnie7557]

@@KudryavkaNoumiWafuu Agree.

[@SR-fq2jz]

KudryavkaNoumiWafuu - Agreed.

[@SR-fq2jz]

I really don't know why people react to stuff like that. And some are the same people! It's good to have different opinions, but when it's the same person, and being hateful...why...

[@EE-me8lb]

Im your 1000th like

[@hunnybee_]

“she could’ve asked loren privately” 🙄🙄🙄 yeah, bc someone with MILLIONS of followers is so easily going to see one message out of THOUSANDS..... yep, it’s that easy. 🙄🙄😤

[@jackyvillegas2610]

Yeah Loren with MILLIONS could still see her to the point of stealing her art

[@ilhan1585]

she didn't even apologize she closed the situation quickly it was her art she can talk about it publicly if she wants

[@josi2992]

Also tbh, it's a general problem that art isn't appreciated as it should be and very often not credited. So I have no problem with making it public, because people who maybe didn't realize, realize now that it's wrong to steal art. (Often people don't know that an artist can be really hurt by that, because they didn't know it's such a big deal. And that's the real problem I think. It should be addressed more.)

[@hiimmya1041]

@@jackyvillegas2610 Loren said a fan tagged her in an EDITED version so she thought the drawing was of her and for her so she used it

[@maddielen7210]

Ikr

[@shekinahrose.e]

people are so rude, why would they attack her for doing her job. 🙄

[@trishmatteo]

Why does she feel the need to report about it?

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

@@trishmatteo I want to learn about it and jobs. I thought returned products become testers. It's important for me to know so I don't return products any more. It's hard for me to say this cause some people assume everyone knows what Bianca says.

[@sunnynorris6833]

She confuses me, one minute she is like "this is wrong, I wish they would donate it" and the next she is like, "cross-contamination people, you don't want pink eye."

[@abigailadams7083]

Sunny Norris I’m giving her the benefit of the doubt and assuming she meant donate the totally unused stuff (but still has a broken seal) to women’s shelters and give the stuff you’ve tried once or twice to a friend if they’re chill w it but idk

[@victoryt9]

@@sunnynorris6833 I'm guessing one statement is before her manager talked to her while the second is after.

[@haruharu4680]

Maybe she meant that she wished they could donate the stuff but knew it was impossible to do so

[@shantxee]

Exactly

[@ry.butterfly]

I think she meant the unopened stuff

[@parvanirose]

Yeah, it sucks that they have to waste the products essentially, but it’s for the safety of others. Not to mention that there are videos of people who go and dumpster dive, then “clean” up the products and sell them online. I’m sorry, but that’s disgusting!

[@labj143]

But there are plenty of people who dumpster dive just to use the products themselves. Which is a much better alternative to the chemicals going into landfills. Some beauty products are more dangerous than electronics and medicine for the environment, yet they don't have disposal standards like those do. Also, the companies destroy stuff to avoid lawsuits and prevent people from making money off their products. If they cared about people, they would find safer solutions than just dumping.

[@hvm5210]

@@labj143 the FDA does't care about the environment

[@LizbethVMoreno]

@@labj143 well that could be something to talk about a safer way to dispose of them. But yea I van see a lawsuit when someone gets sick from using a product that someone "cleaned" from dumpster diving and then suddenly Ulta has to pay.

[@susanresha8107]

I just finished a micro bio class and the final test was literaly all the horrible deseases that could come from cross contamination. A lot of those deaseases start with the skin and enter though the mouth, eyes, and nose. So "dumpster diving" is extreamy dangerous. And I am not just talking pink eye either, makeup expecialy has tremendous potential to carry desease causing microbes and depositing them right where your body's first line of defense is the weakest is a terible idea.

[@rw9399]

And then they would try to sue Ulta. I can understand the reason for trashing the product. Instead of returning it, gift it to a makeup loving friend.

[@lovergirl7560]

Okay but why is the Bianca getting attacked what did she do? She’s so innocent

[@StarWarsThrowbacks]

People get triggered for no reason.

[@karend1809]

Ana it’s most likely because she acted like it’s ultas fault that she was destroying the makeup and then she tried to defend it being policy look at her body language during the video

[@deinem0mliebtnad1ne21]

Ikr

[@addie3133]

Karen D no wonder your name is Karen

[@sueliferreira8585]

@@addie3133 why dose it matter what your name is? Imao

[@Hi-ql3cq]

i like how people attack her when this is what should be done, and if this was the other way around, they’d be saying: “they should be destroying it! it’s just contaminating other people that could potentially buy these products!” 🤦‍♀️

[@jennieraves]

these 10 year olds obviously don't see the problem, stealing peoples art and not crediting the artist and claiming is theres is wrong. regardless if theres a misunderstanding or not

[@abbymcbride8516]

she never said it was her art first of all, second how would she have credited her if she didn't know who the person was, im not a fan of loren gray for many reasons, however I feel that there are so many other things to worry/ be upset about instead of some childs art/fan page that no one cared about until she made a big deal over it which is uncalled for in any circumstance.

[@chandrakantajaiswal8322]

Saying 10 year olds is kinda stereotypical lol. The whole thing is happening on Insta and TikTok, and I dont think 10 year olds have it and tik tok.

[@bubblydonut7280]

@@chandrakantajaiswal8322 no there's a lot of kids on tik tok trust me

[@alisonbhuyna1602]

I’m 11 I think she has the right to be mad when she saw her art being used

[@hoshiisaurus]

@@chandrakantajaiswal8322 the kids from a lower grade in my school is on tiktok, even 7 year olds.

[@stpidv4mp]

The fact that people are out here like “omg it’s not deep, it’s just art” people put in so much or their time and effort into ONE piece of work, it’s not something to put aside and I’m just saying facts

[@odysseythompson8858]

soft chi exactly ffs whjrnfjjfjdjdj

[@Jinspurplewig]

Exactlyyy

[@frozenyogurth]

For real! Plus, that would count as copyright infringement. The biggest problem with reposting without proper credit, is that the original artist (like in this case) gets lost over the sharing history, and their work can thus be more easily stolen by random merch-companies who make money on the work of another person, without any monetary compensation.

[@futuristiccat5636]

EXACTLY

[@ye3m]

I’ve just started digital art and it is so long and tiring. Seeing that some people have the nerve to steal other’s art is so disgusting.

[@2ynthiaa]

i understand it wasn’t loren’s fault but these clueless people saying “its not that deep” shouldnt even express their opinion if they don’t know what artist’s go thru like sit down

[@itsmegloreo8178]

•Cynthia • i think it’s mostly creatives that can relate to how deep it actually is😪 not getting credit for your work and having people making changes to it without your knowledge hurts.

[@pacmanslittlebitch8131]

They sound like the ones who ask artists to draw something for them and get mad when they know the price for it and say "I'm better anyways".

[@nova-qs6th]

Yeah it’s so frustrating because the artist spends a ton of time for making a drawing and doesn’t even get credited for it

[@KingofKings351]

It’s like Walmart in the frozen section anything left out or opened for more than 5-15 minutes gets thrown out or poured down the drain in the back.

[@qtpinikki]

Imagine making the artist apologize for somebody stealing their own work.

[@greeniete8906]

That's horrible

[@bloomy27]

Nikki Morin-Perez cause she attacked Loren instead of the people who stole her art and edited it

[@sierralewis]

Loren didn’t make her apologize nobody did

[@Sanchezzz.480]

She’s literally just doing her job why they hating people are losing brain cells😑

[@savannah7842]

It's not like she has a choice😭

[@moreruffles89]

It’s the same type of people that come into your job and complain about prices. Like dude I don’t own the place and have any say about pricing. I just work here.

[@kikilriki]

Her job isn't filming what she does

[@MelissaRodriguez-xy9gu]

Kalina G Grudova girl shut up

[@jteez8204]

@@kikilriki she's not going to risk her job just to satisfy dumpster divers

[@habsluvsguitar9527]

12:06 “If you don’t want anyone to steal your stuff, then put a watermark” Or just...don’t steal others art.

[@AddorableV]

Exactly. Like how easy is it to edit out a watermark anyway. People need to stop stealing what they did not create. This is a huge problem with today's society - entitlement.

[@habsluvsguitar9527]

@@AddorableV PREACH

[@princessdeathray]

Art thieves are trash

[@gatha2476]

Yep

[@skye387]

@@AddorableV Yeah, especially how many easy free editing apps nowadays

[@kets1481]

"every place does it" *Target here just throwing stuff not even caring if someone dumpster dived*

[@tburrrg2502]

Y’all. I worked at Victoria’s Secret in college & I had to destroy returned underwear that was unused. You don’t see me crying. it’s a policy for hygiene reasons, just like Ulta’s.

[@gg-dg6rk]

tburrrg exactlyyyyy. People don’t think about reasons why things happen..

[@clownfishco.1434]

ya exactly like people need to understand that im sure they wouldn't want returned underwear

[@cassj9636]

it's literally a rule they have to follow everywhere. What did they think happened? !?

[@martaribeiro96]

I still don't get why American stores allow returns like this though. In my country, we can't return anything the store can't resell, unless obviously there's something wrong with what you bought but that's a different story. It creates so much waste.

[@cassj9636]

Around Colours some places you can’t return makeup. Target. Walmart. CVS. Drugstores. But Ulta and Sephora you can.

[@trapqueeneden]

loren handled it well, her fans saying the artist “overreacted” is so selfish :(

[@joaquinarondan6378]

yes. i agree

[@vanessasu7530]

It’s honestly ridiculous, it’s their art and they have the right to get angry if someone stole it without their permission

[@taylorelissaa]

Eden Kara I agree when I used to edit tv show pictures for my fan page I alway put watermarks on every edit so no one can take it.

[@constantartblock]

iiHoney beeii Well it’s their art taken without permission, so it’s safe to assume that she thought it was stolen from her.

[@xoxoozen]

@iiHoney beeii their art was taken without permission, of course she would assume that it was stolen.😑

[@landifie5015]

They're yelling at the artist, when someone else took their drawing....pretty sad.

[@catluvr8781]

loren didn’t know it was stolen.

[@Candainsocks]

sparkliena watermarks can be removed the only person to blame is the one who traced it

[@landifie5015]

@@catluvr8781 not her, the account that actually tagged Loren stole it

[@catluvr8781]

landi fie huh

[@오징징-u6z]

@sparkliena what? why is it the artist's responsibility that people don't steal? it's not the artist's fault that lauren ended up with a pfp that wasn't even of her lol. watermarks can be traced over. to be honest, you are right to say that lauren isn't in the wrong as she didn't know but you're also wrong to say that it's the artist's responsibility to make sure their stuff doesn't get stolen. people shouldn't steal art, period.

[@livevibrantly8685]

If she’s so fiercely defending Ultas policies then why even post about it? In the first video she was acting disgusted that she was destroying it.... 🤣🤣

[@naynay9434]

My thoughts exactly 😂

[@mattoreo5854]

She's saying she understands what they're doing but thinks it's wasteful. Therefore she's saying that you shouldn't return products, and should try to find somebody who will use them

[@muhammadnazrin3390]

@@mattoreo5854 People can't even be bothered to watch the video before commenting, like the video explains her viewpoints completely, yet still so many people want to jump down her throat.

[@AbigailNicolee]

@@muhammadnazrin3390 because she switched her stance multiple times. She acted as if it was horrible to be dumping out the products but seconds later she’s saying “they have to do it for safety reasons” she should’ve put that in her original video. Her intentions were to obviously get a negative reaction. Then maybe she realized she could be fired. She should’ve never posted the video in the first place. Almost all retail companies do this. To act like ulta is the only one..... lol

[@ClipZ_Gaming_1]

Views baby, views!!

[@antoniawhyte429]

It’s al always “not that deep” when it’s not happening to you.

[@gavinreed7262]

F.A.C.T.S. 👏🏻👏🏻

[@GojosCat.]

preaach!!!!

[@m1989]

so what you want now 3th world war

[@Joose_Dreams]

Mampy sarkar “3th”

[@ogkubzscouter743]

YES UH P E R I O D T.

[@janinebean4276]

The artist has every right to be upset that people are stealing and altering her work. And she DID use a watermark. And publicly addressing it brings attention to the issue, which is needed.

[@blookysugar7592]

Exactly

[@aleahlrb]

I'm not a big fan of Loren but I like how she handled the situation and quickly changed her profile picture. Also, I'm thinking the people who said it wasn't a big deal have next to no experience in art communities. Art theft and no credits have been quite an issue. It often leads to the original artist not getting enough recognition while the reposters (who don't credit) and tracers get all the attention. And while yes, Marly (the artist) may have worded it differently, I understand why she acted that way.

[@Ok-vr8fu]

Thank you. Some ppl disrespect artists so much saying it’s no big deal when it’s literally their job... ppl think it’s sooo easy being an artist, I can’t stress this enough.

[@cindy2106]

@@Ok-vr8fu that kind of people have the same energy like those kind of people that will DM u and want u to draw them for free and get mad when u mention price and said something along the line "it's just a drawing" or "i thought we're friends" pffffft these ppl got no shame if it's just a dRaWinG for them they could've just draw it themselve hahahahah these ppl makes me laugh.

[@skrittle555]

i felt so bad seeing that marly thought she had to apologize, and even then, many people laughed at her apology. art is intellectual property and she had every right to stand up for herself! "it's not a big deal" umm people do this as their primary source of income. i bet they wouldn't like it if their boss told them "actually this month we're paying this random stranger for the work you did instead of you." bet it would matter then. no empathy, some people. jeez.

[@eylulvv]

Exactly! She has every right to be angry. Being an artist isn’t easy. I’m not one but I understand how hard it is to be one. Especially dealing with people that don’t see it as an actual job

[@kirin1230]

I was appalled people were saying it's "no big deal." The situation was handled very well, but it's flat out insulting to claim an influencer stealing art (even unintentionally), is a big deal. She is entitled to her own propterty.

[@hayley2158]

"It's not that deep" Yep, because 8 hours of work and then someone edits it and calls it her own. How would YOU feel if someone took YOUR work edited it a little bit and then called it their own? You can't be talking if you haven't put yourself in someone else's shoes to see how THEY feel.

[@Emma-ry8zk]

those dislikes really are just people who dumpsterdived and got pink eye from ulta

[@romina-l8n]

Haha , but true

[@rapturals]

right

[@taylorswiftsbloodytampon]

Lol

[@xoxohsmfan]

Its sadder if ppl who think dumpster diving is a good thing. Its in a trash thats full of bacterias and they are going to put it on their face. Even worse .. sell it off to other ppl. Thats s just disgusting.

[@britegirl]

I mean honestly, she’s literally just doing her job. Every store/ makeup store does it

[@aworte3266]

She's posted that video saying it was "so they don't dumpster dive and steal". Then said it was for sanitary reasons. Like why complain about something then defend it?

[@DickbuttChillingOnPluto]

ayanna worthen she’s not doin anything wrong she’s following store policy and defending it cause there is nothing wrong with it

[@alexandrap1280]

@@DickbuttChillingOnPluto i did not see where she defended it in the first video ? looked like she thinks its "awful" as well after that she defended it

[@imoffendedohmy6150]

@@aworte3266 I think she's trying to encourage people to not return products back to ulta by showing how products will be disposed

[@smilesiel]

@@aworte3266 People dumpster diving IS unsanitary though. Because the product was used or could be tampered with. And if someone dumpster dives and uses/sells such product they might get bad reaction from it and blame it at the store despite it not being their fault.

[@astrelec651]

As for the art thing: She has EVERY right to get upset. art theft is a huge thing in the art community. If she explicitly stated this multiple times then yes she did have the right to call out the girl who edited it. I understand where this seems extreme, but it is a higher profile issue that is very upsetting when ur not the one who’s work is being stolen. Please ask before taking, reposting, recreating, tracing, or referencing in ANYWAY!! saying credit to the artist is not enough. stating their tag is not enough. Actually tag them!! I respect her for handling this the way she did, even if it may have been more polite to reach out privately, it may not have gotten Lauren’s attention. I know this isn’t Lauren’s fault, but this highlights an important issue.

[@nikkiortiz192]

Yes! Exactly! The people who said "it's not that deep" as rude and don't understand how frustrating it is to see other people take the artwork you worked so hard and long on to be edited, altered, and used on other people's page without being tagged or acknowledged and lets not start with the people who claim that artwork is theirs just BC it's a different colour. It's frustrating and I'm glad she stood up for herself ESPECIALLY since they started to NOT edit their artwork multiple times

[@travelamazon]

Why is this shocking? I'm not understanding why people do not understand cross-contamination.

[@jannamariam3545]

why does Spill makes it sounds like Marly's on the wrong here. She has the right to be upset, the right to speak up.

[@bagoheado9065]

This!! I felt spill wasn't objective on this story. :/

[@daylite34]

speak up about what?? her right to give the homeless eye and lip infections???

[@omu6740]

@@daylite34 they're talking about the loren gray situation, not the ulta one.

[@valeriaayala3108]

Marley was kind of in the wrong for not addressing it with Loren first instead of taking it publicly. Maybe she should've talked to Loren and then the fan page. But it doesn't mean she didn't have a right to be mad. Spill said that Marley wasn't in the wrong but Marley should've handled it differently, they never blamed her.

[@adisamagickal8339]

@@valeriaayala3108 Well, when more than Lauren are taking her art work, she has a right to make a public post about it.

[@kksoffyy]

people who don’t realize how serious art theft is, are childish.

[@giselleshernandez3145]

It's just art not a big deal

[@Hamisaurus]

Giselle's Hernandez it is a big deal to the people who actually spend time and effort into doing a singly piece. Art theft is similar to stealing the same exact design (traced and only lightly modified) from a custom tee shirt and selling it. We, as artists, put alot of time into our craft to develop it and we don’t appreciate it stolen from us on a bigger scale.

[@eecyakeikcor2615]

it makes me cringe, like do you not have a single braincell?

[@bubblebang2065]

@@giselleshernandez3145 that's ignorant

[@dearsofia9895]

I'm on both sides Loren didn't know so yah and the one who made it takes time to make that then someones gonna edit it! and steals it! wow so rude but... Loren is also right she didn't know and the creator did apologize so let's just forget it

[@amandac805]

ok so in the loren situation her fans really made me mad. Someone works hard for work, so when seeing it being stolen and edited, she didn't like it. She addressed it so she could warn others. Then, Loren apologized and said she didn't know. The artist understood and apologized as well, and said it was a mistake on her behalf too. She didn't attack Loren that badly and once Loren addressed it, it shouldn't be a big deal at all but its her fans that continue attacking the artist when they're saying she/he's making a big deal. I don't get that at all when they could've just stopped it right there and understood her mistake just like how they did for Loren. It's pretty ridiculous.

[@everythingwillbeok7334]

Exactly

[@sashapolska1822]

Her fans are 9 year old girls. They have no understanding of life and what is considered fair.

[@TheBlondeInPink]

I agree with you 100% I hope though now that Loren knows who the artist is maybe she can do an actual cartoon drawing of Loren for her and she can use it publicly while supporting the artist

[@spoons7092]

tbh it didn’t even seem like she was attacking Loren herself at ALL. just letting people know not to steal her art. also it’d be super cool if marly did an actual drawing of Loren now. marly has such a cute and unique art style!

[@killiandinyes2802]

Yeah and they yelled at her saying “oh yeah now she’s apologizing”. Which yeah that’s how apologies work you apologize after you upset someone or a group of people how was she supposed to guess that everyone would get mad at her.

[@NoOnesBusiness5]

I think the reason they have to "destroy" the products is, like the video said, so people don't dumpster dive, and possibly get perfectly good products for free. That way they don't loose money.

[@fluteaboo]

Not just that but they'll try to sell it. 🤢

[@amybly1400]

They can write off any returned product as as a loss and use that $ amount as a tax exemption.

[@xnellyxs1]

Yup, taking things you threw away is not stealing.

[@catglory1]

Y’all got mad when they put used stuff back on the shelf, and then they started destroying and y’all got mad again. MAKE UP YOUR MIND!! What do y’all want?!?!? Like seriously

[@BreannaAgirre]

CatGlory 1 shows their cleanliness..

[@fr22d]

*make up* thought it was a pun

[@mahlet8350]

diggi me too 😂😂🤣😅

[@bbymilka]

Haven't you learned yet? Humans will never be satisfied with anything.

[@FAlRYERl]

CatGlory 1 donating it would be an option

[@M3DUSATHESINNER]

Y’all are way too soft, everything triggers y’all. It’s protocol they do the same with the products at Bath and Body Works

[@briapryor1709]

Voodoo Dahll Fr, I don’t want something someone else has used. These people would be mad if they put it back, and they mad that they destroy it. People need to get a grip. 😒

[@Je551kuhhh]

I swear people don’t think about the reason why it’s happening. Just wanna be mad. Never mind someone can harm others and tamper things on purpose.

[@StarWarsThrowbacks]

Exactly! Good lord. People get triggered so much it clouds their common sense.

[@jessicawolff6560]

Honestly I believe this is policy at all stores that sell cosmetics 🤷🏽‍♀️.

[@sina3602]

You sound like a conservative EvErYtHiNg TriGgErS yALL

[@kiratrimble464]

As an artist, it's a MASSIVE deal when someone edits your art without permission and posts it without credit. Artists shouldn't have to put a watermark over their art so it isn't stolen

[@yakim4000]

Natasha Trimble EXACTLY, I’m not an artist but I make video edits and let me tell you it’s gets annoying when people steal your ideas without giving proper credit!

[@heart-pop8023]

Natasha Trimble i’m an artist too but either way i’d rather put a watermark than have it stolen so

[@mountainlion4156]

Yeah I'm so triggered at that part. She isn't even overreacting

[@Ok-vr8fu]

ashley pleitez I agree becuz whatever you post on internet, when you get a number of following, ppl will steal the thing that gets u the following cuz they would want the same for themselves but don’t do it w their own hard work. There are good and bad ppl, we can’t force ppl to not steal, some ppl are just like that. So it’s better safe than sorry.

[@limey_bastard]

I completely agree. I had someone do this to me and everyone in my class liked her drawing bc she colored it differently even though mine was not only the orginal but I colored it correctly (fan art) and made that picture SPECIFICALLY for her. Its why I don't give people my art other than my close friends who're artsists too.

[@erinfrazier1439]

I don’t understand why someone would think they would put back a palette that they opened..

[@ignartcioperez5202]

Everyone telling the artist she’s overreacting clearly aren’t artists. Creating artworks takes loads of time and effort, for many of us it’s our main income and even if we decide to share online it’s still ours. Someone using your work for their own personal gain without paying you is like me going to a store, taking some clothes and just wearing them without buying them and then telling the store owner they are overrating if they get mad. Being an artist is a job as any other and stealing someone else’s work is indeed a big deal for the artist who has spent years learning and hours working to create it

[@bonjovi2792]

But it is still not Loren's fault. Why should she assume it wasn't just fanart?

[@bonjovi2792]

@Chicken_nuggies28 Not no one. A lot of the artist's fans were attacking Loren for not apologizing enough for something she didn't do in the first place.

[@bonjovi2792]

@MARIAN ALEXIS ORTIZ GIL MENDEZ No. Like, dozens. Those who didn't stop to learn what actually happened.

[@ignartcioperez5202]

@@bonjovi2792 if someone gifts you a stolen piece of jewelry or a stolen shirt it’s not your fault but it still doesn’t make the fact that it’s stolen okay. I’m not blaming that girl whoever she is, just saying the artist has the right to be very upset

[@bonjovi2792]

@@ignartcioperez5202 I know. I believe the same. The artist has the right to be upset that her art was stolen. I am just talking about some of the artist's fans who were angry at Loren for using it.

[@jodes7984]

i work at a makeup store. if someone returns something and the seal isn’t broken, well put it back up as a tester. but if it’s been opened, or if the seal is broken, we legally cannot resell it. we cannot donate it either and donation centers require for unopened and unused makeup and hygiene products

[@2pr4nkl3z]

jodes i think thats fair

[@inkshits7290]

that's very fair!

[@undefinederror40404]

The people who say it should be donated clearly aren't thinking this through, it's unsanitary and unsafe to put it back in the store but giving it to people who struggle with money is okay? Like it's fine if they get an infection or worse from used make-up? They deserve clean products as much as everyone else does.

[@inkshits7290]

@@undefinederror40404 EXACTLY!!! testers are dirty anyway 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@DreamyNini]

"Not that deep" .... DO THESE PEOPLE NOT REALIZE THAT STEALING ART IS CONSIDERED THEFT TOO?!?!?

[@bethany508]

They're probably the ones to say tracing is a form of art too-

[@choaerie]

Okay but they gave credit sis sooooo

[@expensivegurl1112]

Ikrr, imagine being an artist spending so much time and effort just to have people use your art and edits it without permission /credit

[@schizophrenic.prayers]

art takes a lot of time and effort so yeah I completely understand her anger over it

[@xanzusx]

The same kind of people who think commissions can be paid with exposure

[@Konani_the_unicorn_queen]

"one drawing takes me hours" -cries in one drawing takes me weeks-

[@soldiertricksterlemon6494]

OOP-but how???-

[@anna84259]

@@soldiertricksterlemon6494 I think OP means with breaks? They do one part in one day, for example idk sketch, then another fay lineart, then another a bit of colouring etc etc. Not literally weeks

[@hello9955]

Poor Bianca. She's getting attacked for no dang reason when she didn't do anything wrong

[@rayansalama2155]

People nowdays is sooooo sensitive and defensive without any reason , people are getting more and more irrational.

[@heliumtrapeze69]

Yeah she’s basically informing consumers so we can make more informed choices!

[@matreen427]

Ya especially when she has done the right thing.

[@momomomo__]

For whoever thinks the artist was overreacting, I'll put it this way for you: you spent hours and hours making a project for school and something decides to steal it and get the good grade for it while you get nothing. Now imagine you have this happen to every single project you put your hard work into. How would you feel? Probably very mad. It's the exact same thing here. This person spent so many hours and put work into that drawing just to have it stolen and get no credit for it. She isn't overreacting, it's a completely justified reaction and it clearly wasn't the first time something like that has happened from the way the artist was speaking, so she was fed up with it. She had nothing to apologize for. While Loren wasn't really at fault here, since she was misled as well, she could have apologized to the artist. I don't understand why people are feeling sorry for Loren, she admitted it was a mistake on her part and was just trying to fix it, she wasn't a victim here at all.

[@destinyking8992]

I don’t want to sound rude or not sincere she does have the right to be mad. But I have a question if she’s had these problems for years then she shouldn’t she have put a watermark or done sum so if someone stole it they would know it’s hers? You know what I mean?

[@meu9054]

@@destinyking8992 @Destiny King Artist do put watermarks on their art, but art thieves always find a way to get rid of them. So, it's not as simple as "just put a watermark". Also, please stop trying to justify this kind of behaviour.

[@destinyking8992]

Meu I didn’t justify it, like I said she had all the right to be mad and frankly I was asking a question. I should have been more clear but I wasn’t justifying anything

[@Mythical4227]

Destiny King Your classmate then erases your name from your homework and puts theirs on it after getting the good grade for your project.

[@longlivetheking69]

bruh art theft is illegal. "it's not that deep?" tell that to a judge. i'm honestly tired of people thinking they can do whatever with peoples' hard work, just because they saw it online. just because you can see a painting in a gallery, and you CAN technically take it, doesn't mean there aren't consequences if you do. an artist's profile is their gallery and their portfolio. what do you think would happen if they applied for a job, and their employer saw a reupload of their work and thought the artist didn't make the original? that's when you get sued lol.

[@lunarvalley3006]

@@brunna7995 But it's not HER art??? It was stolen, traced, and it wasn't even for the "famous person", that's messed up.

[@mississipi1103]

Just a question, can we redo Art that we like at home without posting it nor saying that we created it ? Because I have no imagination lol

[@mississipi1103]

@Katelyn Wilson Thank you ☺️

[@createinspain]

The fact that people even try to return make up and personal products is pretty disgusting. If it's broken/ damaged, that's one thing but not for any other reason.

[@piss-v4l]

she’s not overreacting. loren’s fans need to calm down when she wasn’t even talking about Loren, she was talking about people that were stealing arts (which includes the fan who edited her drawing to Loren which made Loren misunderstood and didn’t know she stole it) she was never talking about Loren, she was talking about the person who edited her photo (which was loren’s fan)

[@guacamoli7]

Thank you

[@beepboop7614]

Exactly!

[@ivaloveshati]

Exactly! Like, Imagine something you made that took hard work and passion then see somebody change it a bit and call it their OWN, then think its ok to reassure a Tik tok Star that it wasn’t stolen from somebody else.

[@vonnejvr4540]

But Loren's fan did give credit tho... This is just an example if why you should think before you put anything on social media. Bc she came off as overdramatic and as if she was accusing Loren.

[@yybd]

Vonne JvR Just because they gave credit, that does not mean that she had the right to take the drawing that she spent hours doing and converting it “her own”, if she really wanted to make a fan art of Loren she should’ve done it herself from scratch and not take someone else’s art work. What makes you think that “crediting”, tracing and publishing as something “new” is the same as not stealing. Things don’t add up there. Crediting is acknowledging someone publicly, not taking that original artwork and transforming it into something else which is plagiarism. Plagiarize means to steal the works of another and making it as your own. So idk what you are talking about “over dramatic”, I think you should take your own words into consideration “think before you put anything on social media” because you come off as an uneducated person right now, maybe you should start paying attention in class more and maybe do your own research on plagiarism and crediting. And like the artist said, she had nothing against Loren, she was just against her art being used in a wrongful way.

[@Kiki_Reborn]

And this is why you can’t return cosmetics in the UK. Solves this whole issue.

[@sotrue5413]

I wish we could do that, it would be so much easier! Unfortunately, in the U.S. we have entitled Karens that would make a huge scene for not being able to return makeup, and the companies are major wussies who want to enforce that "the customer is always right" and end up giving into the Karen's demands.

[@smilesgirl17]

Yeah...Sales should be final on cosmetics, unders and swimming suits

[@0v3rdu3]

Yeah, I think that applies to the rest of europe also

[@katiathecake-lovingcat6912]

@@smilesgirl17 Hair tools too

[@viktoriaschmied6627]

@@0v3rdu3 pretty sure the rest of the world too. Afaik it's only north America that has that whole return consumables (eg cosmetics) thing when they have been opened.

[@user-rn3mq5tl8y]

She wasn't overreacting, art takes hours it's a skill and drawing something like that is really difficult, so to take it and call it your own is awful, I do art and if anyone did that to me I'd be much less polite about it, she has the right to be annoyed

[@labj143]

Difficult or not, tracing and editing are fan art and people are free to do that. The artist can ask someone not to post them, but they can't make them take it down(even more so if their reasoning is that they don't want their art depicted that way). It's like asking people not to post fan fiction.

[@stinky2367]

@@labj143 uh no theres a difference between writing and making an entirely new piece of work inspired from something and just drawing over top of something instead of making it yourself

[@braveheart1572]

@@labj143 I’m sorry but did you really just try to justify people stealing others work. I understand using bases and the artist saying you can use or trace her work but when an artist DELIBERATELY says she doesn’t want anyone editing and tracing it. Then you shouldn’t do it. It’s called a copyright claim. And second writing fan fiction is giving credit to the work that it is about. Tracing without credit is stealing.

[@deru1922]

@@labj143 Tracing is art theft if you don't credit the original creator. You do not need to trace, you can use it as a reference, but not directly trace over it or edit it and call it yours. It is not yours, you copied it. If you used something as a reference, then you can call it your art because you did it on your own with help.

[@clsxtae.795]

@@labj143 🙏🏻 *Please let Others copy your answers during Exam* Because- "Tracing is a type of practical art form" - you (labj143)🧠 So OFCOURSE it wont be cheating or unfair or "YOUR HARDWORK GOING TO WASTE JUST CUZ OTHERS COPY IT AND CLAIM AS THIERS" 😒🙄

[@lesliebean4594]

Ulta “body checks” their employees before they leave? WTH.. that’s harassment.

[@Xplzk1]

Well now I know where to not to work anymore

[@sourbuzz1867]

Ever been to an airport?

[@harmonixharmonious203]

How so?

[@genuinelyweird6358]

But they do that at airports too-

[@lesliebean4594]

They do it at airports for the safety of the passengers, the pilots, and the flight attendants. Leaving your place of business isn’t any comparison.

[@raynymph8514]

Why the artist has to apologize? They probably have their art stolen daily, I would be done

[@odysseythompson8858]

ray undergound right? Especially when Lauren didn’t even apologize to her she disgusts me🤢

[@peacheekeen5244]

Odyssey Thompson why would Lauren have to apologize if she didn’t know either ??? Y’all are making it out like she did the edit herself

[@bloomy27]

ray undergound a fan page stole the art edited it and tagged her Loren DIDNT edit the photo or stole it from marly

[@frozenyogurth]

@@peacheekeen5244 The credit was on the fanedit. She should have taken more time looking at the post. She's not entirely innocent.

[@frozenyogurth]

@@bloomy27 The fanpage did credit the OG artist though. If Loren had properly read through the post, this wouldn't have been an issue.

[@VillainApologist_]

“Why waste the make up” Uh, one word: Corona.

[@myristicina.]

Chloe or just common skin infections lol

[@alivia_nicole]

haru myuki because it’s the number 1 thing everyone is worried about right now. it’s super easy to get the virus now.

[@nobody1747]

@@M3gur1n3luk4 gee I wonder why, it certainly couldnt be because we a have a worldwide pandemic right now, and it definently couldnt be because preventing its spread is the only thing people are focusing on.

[@allisxia]

LOL they don’t cause the coronavirus

[@jurassicjaws]

They did this before COVID. There's no shortage of reasons to dispose of the makeup rather than risk reselling it or donating it.

[@caitlynjackson3087]

I think what Ulta's doing isn't horrible. Stealing is really serious and "ruining" the product before it goes in the garbage makes sure that people can't dumpster dive. Bianca did nothing wrong and I understand why ulta would do that

[@DuckybeauROBLOX]

Katie Jackson Im suprised you can even return make up .. Of course It cant be used again so I think people shouldnt be able to return it

[@koikat6638]

@@DuckybeauROBLOX mostly because customers will throw a fit if they aren't catered to at all times.

[@laiyaorchid5464]

Dumpster diving isn't stealing. It's trash. It's discarded. It no longer has a price tag so if someone wants to take it, who cares?

[@blairinsertlastnamehere3140]

@@laiyaorchid5464 people shouldn't dumpster dive makeup anyways because it puts themselves at risk. Anything else that can be washed though is free game, I also think shampoos/conditioners should be free game.

[@evemary]

Duckybeau ROBLOX in the UK, if the products safety seal is broken it can’t be returned (there is a few exceptions eg- if the product is broken)

[@insertnamehere9558]

I think it’s not Loren’s fault as she didn’t know, and she handled it great. The first artist reacted a great way, neither of them are in the wrong except the person who edited it first.

[@ClipZ_Gaming_1]

She says she didn’t know. She knew. Its always “my team did it”. She knew.