Spin Training!!! In a Cessna 152

Fly along as I fly spin training with Matt Beyer of Rocky Mountain Flight School in a Cessna 152.
www.MattBeyer.com

[@adamspringer2442]

This is one amazing instructor for so many reasons, consider yourself lucky to have him! Great video and thank you!

[@mohlenair]

Thank you for watching! He is a great instructor!

[@adamspringer2442]

@@mohlenair Thank you both for the education on watching it, it means a lot to see this! I hope and pray you both always make it home "on a wing and a prayer". God Bless you both! 😊🙏

[@etarheel1]

I hope you realize what a great instructor this gentleman is. The ones I had were ok at best. Props for going one more time even though clearly you didn’t feel well at all, that’s a sucky feeling and you sir embraced the suck! Kudos to you both!

[@mohlenair]

Thank you for the comment. Matt is definitely a great instructor and I feel lucky to learn from him. Appreciate the kudos, it was tough but worth the extra spin. 👍

[@davidmangold1838]

I attained private, commercial, instrument and multi and ATP (never a CFI). I don’t recall ever doing a spin in training (maybe once 53 years ago). In 28,000 hours, I’ve avoided getting into a spin🤞🤪. Have done upset training many times, in airliner sims. That was fun ! Now I have a 1947 v tail bonanza, and I don’t ever get close to a stall, so I avoid spinning altogether!👍🏻🤞

[@mohlenair]

Nice! That’s an amazing amount of hours! Thanks for watching and keep flying!

[@ericm333]

ATP you’re a CFI by default. Go get your spin training 😊

[@phillipzx3754]

In 1971 I did a 10-hour block in a 150 Aerobat right after I soloed. Best thing I ever did.

[@mohlenair]

Sounds like fun!

[@joshuaespinoza6331]

This is probably the only thing preventing me from finishing my hours. The excitement/fear of never being able to recover is overwhelming!

[@mohlenair]

You can do it!

[@davidmotter5140]

Its part of knowing your flying machine , you can do it !!

[@jacktorres8691]

hey, instructed in 152 and 172 for many hours. 5k. 152 is certified for spins. let go of controls on either when on a spin. pedals and yolk. damn plane recovers itself if you have altitude. incredible. can not stall them if you keep the ball is the center. rudder work, i used to call back in the day. pedal dancing!

[@mohlenair]

So true, they are incredibly stable!

[@MENSA.lady2]

Regular 152 is NOT certified for spins, only the Aerobat version.

[@georgelevin6134]

If flaps are deployed get them up immediately as part of the recovery if you don’t believe me go out and spin a Cessna with full flaps.

[@lawiley]

As a CFI I felt the skidded turn stall, one that could be encountered on a base leg to final turn was most important. The pilot flys through the final approach path and responds through excessive application of bottom rudder to bring the aircraft onto alignment with the final approach path. Instead of entering the spin through the bottom of the turn a skidded turn can result in the airplane going "over the top" and entering the spin to the opposite side ie. entering a spin in the opposite direction. It is my opinion that a skidded turn stall/spin entered low to the ground is the most dangerous type of spin that can be encountered.

[@mohlenair]

Great reminder of how serious that can be. Thank you for watching and your comment!

[@lessharratt8719]

I agree. My instructor made me do stall and spin recoveries that were entered from a variety of different circumstances. He was ex military and the best flight instructor ever.

[@ericohara2582]

Thank you for this, I remember thumping my head on the C152 door frame as the aircraft went “over the top” quite violently during my first demonstration by the instructor. It is a good point to remember and experience even via a brief aerobatic course if it is no longer on the ppl course

[@simonmurray8220]

Excellent footage of what spins are actually like.

[@mohlenair]

Thank you for watching! It was an eye opening experience to go through them!

[@erickborling1302]

The funnest part is that short moment during entry when you're briefly inverted.

[@mohlenair]

Ha! I can’t stop laughing at my faces. 😁

[@michaelquillen2679]

Memories. My CFI covered spins/stalls and situations that could cause them, way beyond what was required for my private ticket. No regrets for the additional cost in airtime in training.

[@mohlenair]

Very well said! I thought it was incredibly valuable experience.

[@bobwilson758]

Tums - Chew up a few tums - Good to go. I always carry them . They work Quick !

[@mohlenair]

Great suggestion, thank you! I’ll add them to my bag.

[@dwighttaylor5107]

Great video lots of great information thanks.

[@mohlenair]

Thanks for watching!

[@RodClarkson]

I am almost done with my PPL. I am going to do this. This CFI is one cool cat!

[@mohlenair]

You’ll enjoy it! Congrats on you PPL!

In Canada, it's not on the ppl check ride but you're required to have an instructor attest that you've successfully recovered from a spin at least once.

[@aicrag11]

Great job! Thanks for sharing. Seeing it in training makes me less anxious about it.

[@mohlenair]

Definitely consider doing it! I’d encourage capturing video of your face during the maneuver. 😁

[@DWBurns]

What could go wrong? Piper Arrow driver, an instructor wearing a Mooney tee shirt spinning a Cessna 150, no issue here.

[@mohlenair]

Ha, no issue at all!

[@davidmotter5140]

The piper manual says do not spin

[@bobwilson758]

Good instructor pilot !

[@mohlenair]

Agree, he’s very good!

[@donnowakowski4224]

Remember “PARE”….P= Power off, A= Aileron neutral, R= Rudder opposite, E= Elevator forward.

[@ProPilotPete]

Great instruction, great student, and great job on the video. The footage was awesome!

[@mohlenair]

Thank you I appreciate that. Thank you for watching and your comment!

[@rumblethis2023]

WITH NO SEAT BELTS! just brilliant!!

[@troncoop5676]

they have waist straps they just dont have shoulder straps on, yes its legal

[@toddalligood5891]

Lmao😂.. your expressions were exactly like mine when I did spin training..loved it. Great video . Amazing instructor as well

[@mohlenair]

Thank you, and appreciate you joining the 'out of control expressions camp!' 🤣

[@dagger4146]

I guess I missed the most important part of spin training in the video, which is what to do in the aircraft before you set up for the spin. I was instructed to commit the HALT procedure to memory, which properly sets you up for the maneuver. H: harnesses and hatches. A: altitude (3000 agl). L: lose objects inside the cabin secured. T: terrain and traffic, fly a figure 8 at your entry altitude to make sure there is no traffic in the working area, and make sure you are not over a populated area and have suitable terrain below you in case you need to make a forced landing.

[@mohlenair]

I haven’t heard the acronym HALT but I like it and will incorporate it. We did a clearing turn and pre maneuver procedure before each spin but I assumed that no one wants to watch us go through it. Thank you for watching!

[@dagger4146]

@@mohlenair Thanks for the thumbs up and comment. I loved spin training and it was also mandatory in Canada. I think it was either the 5th or 6th lesson in the itinerary. It really helps teaching control of the aircraft and gives the pilot a feeling of wearing the aircraft instead of riding/driving it. Keep up the good work !

[@glenjohnson9775]

@mohlenair I too was wondering why you didn’t use the shoulder belts?

[@karhukivi]

@@mohlenair In my day it was HASEL - Height, Airframe (flaps, CofG, etc) Security (loose objects, harnesses etc.) Engine (boost pump, carb heat ) Location (airfield, ATC, towns, traffic). Nice video - thanks!

[@ericohara2582]

Brilliant... thank you both for sharing.

[@diegojon8267]

Great job😊

[@mohlenair]

Thank you! 👍

[@Cosme422]

I’M SO EXCITED! This video was awesome! I’m going to my first lesson next week! Thanks for this video!

[@mohlenair]

Thank you! Enjoy your lesson!

[@blueyonder360]

That’s awesome. What an experience. I’m interested in what your next Spin training lesson will cover.

[@mohlenair]

Next lesson will include spinning right against the left turning tendencies, calling out the recovery steps as I’m doing them and noting altitude before and after. 👍

[@tomstrum6259]

Not a pilot & Won't fly GA, but if Extensive spin Training & Recovery isn't Mandatory something Major is Wrong !! .....After adequate Training, can a pilot Sense the Pre-Stall warning sensations Before the Stall horn goes off ??

[@mohlenair]

It should be mandatory. There are some signs like mushy controls and buffeting that can indicate a pending stall.

[@jimbower9268]

I inadvertently spun a C-152 during power-on stall practice. Fortunately my instructor was there, because I panicked. I did NOT recognize what had happened. He calmly explained what was going on and how to recover. At this point in time, actual spin training was not in the syllabus. They TOLD us about it the first week of ground school, but all that information got overshadowed by everything else that I had to learn. Later, while practicing power on stalls solo, I accidentally spun the aircraft again. This time, I knew what to do, and I felt like I had all day to get over it. Had I not had that happen to me earlier, I think I would’ve died. I wholeheartedly urge flight schools to go out and do actual spins so that the student can recognize them and know what to do. Talking about it in a classroom does not cut it.

[@annsheridan12]

Elevator foreword? When I did one in a C152 it went slightly inverted, scared the hell out of me.

[@karhukivi]

Forward enough to get the wings un-stalled, but not holding full forwards. To enter the spin he had the elevator full aft.

[@annsheridan12]

I cut the power, wings level, and pulled back , I was beyond looking straight At the ground. If I had pushed forward I would have gone totally inverted

[@billpowers8213]

Great video!!

[@mohlenair]

Thank you!

[@rolandlewis-evans2381]

Great video, enjoyed it a lot. Great instructor, giving relaxed confidence. Just one observation. Slightly worried about the Cessna seat movements. We had a pilot have his seat slide rearwards in the U.K. on climb out, he couldn’t reach his rudder pedals, plane ended up stalling and spun in, sadly with loss of life. Be worth getting the seats checked. Keep up the good work.

[@mohlenair]

Thanks for the feedback. That story is tragic and I agree, I hope the seats were repaired in this plane. After this flight I didn’t fly in it again…

[@dwtees]

I did spin training in a 152 aerobat. I didn't know a regular 152 was approved for spins.

[@mohlenair]

In the utility category it was. My understanding is some 152s, 172s and Cherokee 140s are rated for spins in the utility category.

[@pstott5903]

Great job

[@mohlenair]

Thank you!

[@davidmotter5140]

Love how the stall horn screams like a baby in a spin in the 152

[@alanrader3016]

Great video, thanks!

[@lakeguy65616]

clearly explained

[@ChrispyByDefault]

What a boss! I probably would have been done after one of those.

[@brennangouaux945]

Soon as I gag, put me back on the ground. Your a freakin trooper for going for that third one lol

[@mohlenair]

Thanks I appreciate that. It was a little rough LOL.

[@MENSA.lady2]

In the USA only spin avoidance can be taught in a normal C.152 Deliberate spinning is only permitted in the Aerobat version. No i don't know what would break first and I have no intention of finding out. Better idea is to find a school that has aircraft that can be spun, like the Piper PA38 Tomahawk.

[@davidmotter5140]

I think you need to reread the rules cessnas are spinning dreams and very neccessary for learning avaition

[@MENSA.lady2]

@@davidmotter5140 I read the rules, back in 1990, and the only deliberatly spinable version of the C152 was the Aerobat version, built in France and scarce in the USA. That's why I bought a Piper PA38 Tomahawk instead.

[@bbrydr331]

Great training! Adding that to my list. Too bad you can’t duplicate that training in the Arrow but PARE is PARE. Well done!

[@mohlenair]

You’ll love it when you do it! You can do it in a Cherokee 140 which is about as close to the Arrow as it’s going to get!

[@captgrant]

So on a hard landing and sudden stop, do you have some new way of preventing your body mass from leaving the aircraft?

[@farmgene]

I was concerned about the discoloration between/after engine covers

[@jamesbraun7709]

I was in a climb and departure stall at 3K ft. It rolled over to the right . Instructure asked if I knew what this was , I said a spin , he asked how I get out of it so I did and went back home . He asked if I was scared , I was not .

[@mohlenair]

Nice job recovering and keeping your cool!

[@jamesbraun7709]

@@mohlenair It was easy for me as I soloed when I was 6 ,models of course .If anything scares you don't bother taking lessons . Went on to get helicopter and multi ratings , too much fun .

[@robertshaver4432]

OK question? Can a Cherokee PA-28 140, 160, 180 legally do spins too? I've got another more technical question too but we'll catch it later, I'm not sure if I'm scripting to the instructor or the student here. If student: does the instructor have a You-tube channel? Great Video BTW That was Awesome! Thanks: Robert

[@mohlenair]

Hey Robert - I’m the student in the relationship. Matt told me 152s, 172s and Cherokee 140s are soon rated, but best to verify in each POH to be sure, and in what category or limitations. I fly an arrow and want to try a 140. Thanks for the feedback and watching!

[@robertshaver4432]

@@mohlenair Thank you. I'm looking to get a 160 and add all of the Knots 2 U mods as well as the header pipe that adds 14 HP. It should petty much equate to a 180 except for the fuel burn. 180 at 12 GPH and the 160 @ I think 8 or 9 GPH. the mods are a-bit expensive but over time so is fuel and the mods definitely make the aircraft more airworthy and safer too boot. Wing tip extension with Horner tips, seals for all control surfaces, wheel pant additions, wing to fuselage faring's and a couple of other detailed drag reduction items. Can't remember the company name for the header pipe but 14 HP brings a 160 to 174 We'll see but it's worth considering if your thinking about a 140 Thanks for the Awesome reply! Robert

[@kirkprice-ys2uw]

Yes a Cherokee can spin ,usually takes a burst of power along with rudder. Otherwise you’ll get a steep spiral and rapid speed increase.

[@saliherenyuceturk2398]

keep making videos

[@mohlenair]

Thank you! Appreciate you watching and your comment.

[@dundas9222]

so the seat latch malfunctioned, the door came open, the side of the ship looks like shit. WTF

[@HoustonGamerTVHGTV]

Have you gotten your cfi rating yet?

[@tommynhardt6229]

Need to try a right handed spin….over the instructor…..great instructor….reminds me of my first time….closed my eyes…

[@mohlenair]

Right handed spin is definitely on the flight plan for next time. Thanks for the suggestion! He’s a really good instructor. I can understand closing your eyes; it’s a lot. Thanks for watching!

[@cg_justin_5327]

EVERY PILOT should be tought spins. EVERY PILOT EVERY TIME.

[@mohlenair]

I'd agree!

[@infectdiseaseepidemiology2599]

Not if the plane lacks certification for spins.

[@cg_justin_5327]

@@infectdiseaseepidemiology2599 seriously? Really? 🤦‍♂️

[@RNWDawg]

Many years ago the FAA eliminated spin training from the private pilot checkout. More pilots were being killed by doing the training than in actual flights. Having said that I went and did spin training in a Decathalon many years ago. The first few were disorienting, after 10 or so I could do a 3+ rotation spin and recover on a predetermined heading. After 60 or so spins they were no big deal. Probably need to go out and experience it again. Aerobatic training is great but do not go out with someone who is not completely competent, and also go in an airplane that is set up for it. Wear a parachute as problems can occur. Back in the day parachutes were required for the spins, loops. rolls etc that we did.

[@neilcigelske4454]

If you want a real thrill do spins in a Piper Tomahawk (ASNA Tramahawk)

[@mohlenair]

I’d love to try it!

[@rrocketman]

08:20 gets wild

[@mohlenair]

That’s where the fun begins!

[@chucklemasters6433]

i prefer a more realistic spin entry as it would be in real life with a bunch of cross control to initiate the spin. so nose high with power and a bunch of right aileron to keep the nose from going left instead of left rudder. this is how actual real life spins happen most of the time when low time pilots do slow flight with not enough right rudder to keep the wings level and use all right aileron instead. also i know of pilots who died doing spins because the person who taught them did not show them what happens after the third turn. This is so important because if you only do 1 or 2 turn spins the airplane will recover by itself if you just let go of the controls . they will think the airplane always recovers like this if you do at least a 3 turn spin and show them how different the recovery is after number 3 it enters what is called a steady state spin where it won't stop spinning when you release the sontrols. you must push forward with no hesitation with considerable force to get both wings flying again. someone could easily be killed ifthey have never been shown how important this is to know.

[@KikixPT]

If your instructor uses the watch upside down he's not playing around

[@mohlenair]

Ha, that’s funny!

[@bobbybabsonjr787]

I didnt know Cessna did tail art 🤔 lol

[@ivorharris4200]

Sorry that is completely the WRONG way to teach/demonstrate a spin entry for purposes of spin recognition and avoidance (and subsequent recovery of course). Spin entry method used in training should always be off a slow over-ruddered (ie stalled skidding) gliding turn: THE WAY IT HAPPENS IN REAL LIFE!! As the Tiger Moth instructors used to drum into their students " don't stall and skid in a gliding turn, or for sure you'll crash and burn". This can also be turned into a good entry into a spiral dive by simply relaxing the back pressure on the elevator a little as the incipient spin transitions to the full spin, thereby providing a good demonstration of the differentiation of a spin from a spiral dive....critical of course for the recovery method to be applied.

[@purdueschmidt]

That plane was all sorts of sketchy

[@mohlenair]

It flew pretty well! Very stable aircraft.

[@timeatak5248]

Don’t want to be that guy but…..intentional spins in a normal or utility category aircraft are prohibited. What you are accidentally teaching is how to intentionally NOT comply with regulation. And you should never do these without a parachute. But most civilian trained pilots never know what they don’t know.

[@smitthakker4651]

Don’t want to be that guy but it seems you never read the P.O.H of C172 and commenting w/o appropriate knowledge

[@blatherskite9601]

Aerobatting over a suburb... Not so good.

[@mohlenair]

Our maneuvers were over a reservoir. Thank you for watching.

[@blatherskite9601]

@@mohlenair Thanks for explaining. The camera angle made it difficult to be sure.