Spine Talk: Lasers and Spine Surgery

[@alfred576]

I made the biggest mistake of my life last August to see neurosurgeon Ara Deukmedjian at the Deukspine Institute in Melbourne Florida to have a Deuk Laser Disc Repair at left C5-C6, C6-C7 plus bilateral C5-T1 rhizotomies. I woke up from surgery with a dropped head, burned, inflamed paraspinal muscles, extreme stiffness of the neck, big lumps around C6-C7 at the back of my neck, and awful pain worse than before the procedure. Over the last 8 months my issues have got worse with more pain than ever. The discs that were treated were already thin to begin with and the neurosurgeon broke a surgical tube inside ny neck. I saw a dictor in the video that was hammering this dilator between the vertebrae of my neck with quite a bit of force. This cost me $77 US. On my return to Aus the new MRI demonstrated inflammation of the paraspinal neck muscles, edema, hematoma of left C6-C7, C6, C7 compression and foraminal stenosis. I wish that i never got laser surgery. I have been paying a very high pain price

[@scotties.3414]

I went to Laser Spine Institute in Scottsdale in 2016. I had pain that began as a neck ache and developed into debilitating pain radiating down the right arm to the fingertips. I was approved for surgery by both my insurance and LSI and felt extremely lucky to be in such good hands. The doctors showed me before my operation the images of what he was going to do with the laser. I had stenosis in C6 and C7 and after the procedure it was just like the commercial. I had a small incision and no more pain! Yes they had to cut through some muscle but it was an easy 6-week recovery and I am very grateful for the experience.

[@teak5476]

You should watch Ara J. Deukmedjian, MD perform the Deuk Laser Disc Repair. Plus he cleans the annular tear to promote healing. He uses the laser for entire surgery until he uses grabbers to grab disc material. It would be interesting seeing you speaking with him on video. Safest surgery for disc problems. He broadcasts every surgery he performs.

[@aradeukmedjian5957]

Great comment. These surgeons are living in the past.

[@ginzo666]

@@aradeukmedjian5957 Quack quack.

[@aradeukmedjian5957]

@@ginzo666 I agree, youre a duck!

[@ginzo666]

@@aradeukmedjian5957 What kind of spine surgeon comments on YT videos? The good ones certainly don't have time for that. 3 months just to get an office visit.

[@aradeukmedjian5957]

@@ginzo666 Yeah. Just the bad ones. You are just so smart. You got me there.. Maybe I should hire you as my personal assistant. You know to give me great advice and on all important matters. You sound so smart to me.

[@coolworl]

There are laser procedures on KZbin with the surgeon talking through the process. It looked very safe to me. I had ACDF C3,4 and 5 five years ago so I have some experince. The post-recovery was very tough. Right now, I am exploring laser to take care of a pinched nerve on C6/7 because of its minimal invasiveness.

[@michaelflores9796]

Did you go through with the laser surgery? I assume if you did you probably went to deuk spine institute.

[@jbonetns]

dr deuk is the man , dont listen to these guys @@michaelflores9796

[@the1972bulldog]

Yeah I'd like to know also after nearly 15 years of Chronic back pain?

[@jbonetns]

yes i went through with the surgery for c5c6 c6c7 and the procedure went well ,its been 3 months since n no pain killers after . also had the rhizotomy on right side c5-c7 . no bone removed . most if not all the centralized disc pain i was having is gone . only problem im dealing with now is dystonic tremors in neck and hands which is a separate issue that was present before the surgery and seeking botox or possibly prolotherapy to treat those symptoms at the moment .no hand numbness anymore. also i have thoracic and lower back ventral chord compression from years of abusing my body playing high level tennis so will be addressing those issues as well . the only issue with deuk spine is the cost up front, and not having some kind of payment plan , and good chance that your insurance wont pay you back or cover it because its deemed as an experimental procedure . meanwhile theyll cover procedures that dont actually work from surgeons that will cut you up in a heartbeat and put metal or artificial discs in you so they get their kickbacks from those companies . thats a fact . also notice that the guys talking in this video wouldnt dare to respond back because they know its the truth . think about how f****d up someone has to be to do that to you knowing its not most likely not going to fix the problem . you should see the looks on the faces and pessimism of my doctors here in ny when i even mention laser to them . i was getting billed even for phone calls to some of my docs here dragging their ass and providing no solutions or prospects but still the smugness in their voice . its a joke . just like trying to find an honest mechanic or worse lol

[@andredarin8966]

@@jbonetns The red flag for this "chat" is neither man addressed the elephant in the room: the high rate of FBSS (Failed Back Surgery Syndrome) as a consequence of open back surgery. It can approach 40%--or higher. Not addressing that issue was skimming the bottom of the deck.

[@bruceweis2235]

Dr. Shim, I appreciate your videos. I am going through a disc herniation now and it has taken some time, but I think I am on the healing path now and your videos gave me confidence that it is possible to heal from a herniation. I heard about laser, as I have researched a microdiscectomy in case i just can't ever heal and didn't understand the advantage of a laser or disadvantage, this discussion gave me some clarity. Mr. Mazza didn't seem happy at the very end, he mumbled something under his breath, but you can see his lips mouth it. It seemed he agreed with you and wasn't promoting laser surgery, but maybe there was some disagreement that I couldn't pick up on or understand, which makes me feel I must be missing something in the discussion, even though I listened to it a few times. I only ask because I like to get all sides of an argument for my own knowledge going forward.

[@crawford323]

No what is going on is wanting relief and hope plus being affected by advertising and promotions. The hope of technology advances which relief their pain. What are the options for cervical facet pain besides radio frequency ablation?

[@flininto5781]

Thank You for your HONESTY. if you were in my city i would definitely be going to you (& tell others to as well) & or going to you for a second opinion "That's for DAMN SURE..". people have the right to know the TRUTH.

[@aradeukmedjian5957]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHzXY4yEh9Ctatk

[@fladay3928]

We’ll look up dueke lazer disc repair right here in Florida.

[@TheCDonn3]

Um, did you watch the video

[@aradeukmedjian5957]

yes, deuk laser disc repair, the best. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHa4k6CGnKmSq7s

[@teak5476]

It is the best option in the world for disc problems.

[@supermushroom3175]

​@@teak5476no its not. it's obvious that your KZbin account is fake. U r working on behalf of deuk Laser to promote his life destroying procedure. Get out of here

[@brianoconnell2009]

I just moved back to Sarasota . Nobody has a straight answer . 24 hour suicidal pain . Barely able to walk . Entire spine bad . L4-5 in 94 ACDF 9 yrs ago z will you see me . I want straight talk . Just retired as a nurse due to veteran disabilp

[@badkarma6181]

I had a laminectomy on my neck. Now there’s that hole that remains. My question is: Why can’t the surgeon grind down the removed piece of spine and replace it somehow? Can it grow back on as would a broken bone be mended? That hole is rather worrisome.

[@misamisa2677]

Dr cantor in ft Lauderdale Florida shaves the Spurs without removing bone

[@badkarma6181]

@@misamisa2677 Isn’t that laminotomy?

[@lawrencefil5]

@@badkarma6181 Ultrasonic Laminaplasty. I had it done

[@badkarma6181]

@@lawrencefil5 Well, the rest of my neck is going now. Pain meds don’t do much…. I’ll have to check it out. Thanks!

[@urosjurisic92]

​@@lawrencefil5 how is it now?

[@paulsdrc]

Awesome video, but where does that leave us? I have multiple disk injuries from my time in the military, one doctor says two sections of fusing, another says disk replacement. I’m active and I don’t want to end not being able to continue to do the things I enjoy.

[@urosjurisic92]

Did u maybe find any good solution?

[@paulsdrc]

@@urosjurisic92 We’re going to try disk replacement on two of them, and come back next year and do the other.

[@aradeukmedjian5957]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHzXY4yEh9Ctatk

[@cloudstory24]

​@@paulsdrcdid you had the surgery done?

[@paulsdrc]

@@cloudstory24 yes, 3 weeks ago, great Doc awesome results

[@joeblow9548]

Maybe you should ask the patients of the deuk spine center how it is

[@ronaldsheppard2594]

JASON MAZZA - DIRECTOR OF SPINE CARE for SHIM but not a doctor! he says there were few studies that exist but says it doesn't work? It does have a lower risk of infection! I bet they said the same thing about laser eye surgery back in the day too! Maybe that is why back surgeries still suck so bad. you would think in 2022 they would have come up with something better to diagnose where the back pain is really coming from and how to fix it. It's funny too, if you play professional sports they fix your back.. ala Tiger Woods,,, if you are jane the housewife or some garbage collector guess what your disc might heal itself just wait.

[@mariajaramillo1135]

You are so right. I always wonder how is it that sports stars get fixed right a way the best of the best, but plain Jane need to take 100s of pain pills that don't even work and they damage your stomach, liver, kidney, and intestins. I have done everything you can think of to manage my pain. Till I couldn't stand it anymore 😪

[@xgodzhiredgunx]

What about Deuk Laser Disc Surgery?

[@aradeukmedjian5957]

We do this procedure successfully every week. Thanks. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZO4lYaAa7KEjNk

[@EdVonBoeckman]

No replies to this question?

[@supermushroom3175]

Simple, he's a charlatan. Getting rich off destroying ppls lives

[@armandaliotta7065]

Dr shim,what are your thoughts about ozone nucleoplasty?

[@Brian-yt8fu]

Over the years its never neen offered to me. I recently went to see a spine specialist he only offered a injection of Rx or surgery. I first heard of laser surgery several years ago. One advantage is less or no bleeding so you dont have scar tissue.

[@michaelreydegorio5254]

We did laser in my large herniated disc in c5-c6 last 5 years. And its good i can do everything even sports. It took 1 day recovery only Dont know about this doctor what they are talking about🤣

[@crystalwiser5980]

Where did you go

[@arrepuess]

How you doing now?

[@Natalia_M93]

How you feeling now? Is it still good?

[@SandraSmith-w5x]

I had the Deuk Laser treatment for my spine, L4 L5 & S1 a month ago for torn and herniated disks. Let me tell you, it was the very best decision that I could have made. I have to take it easy for now, and sure, time will tell, but all of my back pain that I've had is gone. What more could someone who has suffered for years night and day want than to be released from pain. Deuk laser is the way to go, in my book.

[@Natalia_M93]

What is the cost of this procedure?

[@michaelcarydakis790]

what is the best neck disc that wont fail with silicon plasics in most

[@mrchrisadams43]

I'm all excited to see a spin off skit from "I think you should leave" Still wondering if it is

[@ShimSpineVideos]

Hmm......

[@tonysorice5142]

doc what about proteolytic enzymes,,can that work,

[@Slaneous]

Dr Chol Kim will completely disagree with this.

[@aradeukmedjian5957]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZO4lYaAa7KEjNk

[@supermushroom3175]

Dr Chol Kim is a clown and so is his beautiful arrogant assistant

[@marilynaderson6568]

Looks like they do not want to retrain - the life of the patients afterward is awesome. Dr. Jeffery Cantor teaches doctors how to do this procedure. It also does not make you correct.

[@ShimSpineVideos]

I am glad you are passionate about your surgeon. But, understand that the goals of surgery should be the same. If laser can achieve that outcome, great. We are currently in the "follow the science" era. The science of use of Laser in spine surgery has not been very good. Thanks for your comment.

[@Seer-cw9lu]

I say follow patients that are healed, fk the science. Science is only good if it works, otherwise it’s mumbo jumbo

[@b326yr]

@@ShimSpineVideos Then retrain and start using it. It is not a Marketing Tool. It is just Better

[@supermushroom3175]

​@@ShimSpineVideosthank you for being honest and genuine. some of these docs like the one at deuk laser get rich off destroying ppls lives. i wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing everything i have is from lasering up ppls backs and making them worse in exchange for thousands of dollars. money can make ppl do horrible things

[@jcaleca60]

Hi I was told i have spinal stenosis need operation Lazer no.good I see

[@aradeukmedjian5957]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZO4lYaAa7KEjNk

[@stevenwalters8557]

They told me very little lazer use I think they just put some pain killer in my neck it was better for 2 or 3 months so yeah no help from them now left me hangin kinda

[@kimsmith819]

It may seem like a failure to you, but i would be thrilled to death with a couple of pain free months, if you can go get it done every 2 to 3 months

[@Wolf-rg7ih]

@@kimsmith819 so this therapy does not. Help heal or cure. Herniated disc ? You have to. Go every 3 months for this therapy FOR LIFE. ???

[@hadisahba9855]

hello , this is my test result : there are only 4 non-rib bearing pre-sacral vertebral segments(transitional vertebra)L5 looks to be sacralized.there is also evidence of spondylolysis of L4,but no obvious listhesis.lordosis of lumbar spine also is exaggerated disk spaces and vertebral heights appear normal pedicles are symmetrical and normal SI joints are unremarkable impression: 1:transitional vertebra at lumbosacral junction as described 2:spondylolyisis of L4 with no obvious listhesis 3:Exaggerated lumbar lordosis So,do i need surgery or by chiropractic and may be phototherapy i can make it better? THanks.

[@ShimSpineVideos]

You are asking for specific recommendations. Unfortunately, I can only speak in generalities. Your profile picture suggests an adult. In that case, your results do not seem too alarming. Please speak to your doctor who ordered the tests. By the description, it does not seem to be surgical problem, but a trained spine specialist should examine you and look at your studies before offering a definitive option.

[@wildflowermusic4028]

You spelled Presented wrong at the end "Persented by ShimShine". Sorry...

[@ShimSpineVideos]

Thanks. I have to spend a little more time reviewing things before producing.

[@Grace17893]

Great work; God bless you guus

[@mariajaramillo1135]

Thank you, now I know not to go to you. To me a second opinion is to let another doctors say what they have to say and I reserved my opinion towards the second opinion doctor. I even go to a third opinion and just listen to what they have to say then I make a desition on my own. This doctor is way to negative. I had my back fusions done and the pain was unbearable, but after little by little the horrible pain I had before surgery is not there anymore.

[@mujeeburrahmansharrief8841]

Yes he said correct words: too much science fiction, reality is manual is only the best procedure as of now dear.

[@bobbydale1938]

lazer is a sales pitch word !

[@ShimSpineVideos]

I agree. Also "minimally invasive", robot assisted and stem cell.

[@b326yr]

@@ShimSpineVideos Keep Lying to people

[@teak5476]

@@ShimSpineVideos Bring Ara J. Deukmedjian on your program. It would be a great time for your platform to introduce the safest surgery available to anyone with chronic back pain and radiculopathy.

[@supermushroom3175]

​@@b326yrhe's not lying, what he says is truth. Laser will fk ur back up bad and Stem cells are a complete scam

[@jbonetns]

these are the guys that you want to run from , the reason they are talking poorly about the laser is because they are not capable of using them correctly , ive met plenty of surgeons like this , smug as can be , its very simple , they make less money just using a laser and grabber to remove herniation , they want to sell you on fusion and artificial discs because their bank account gets bigger from kickbacks from the artificial disc companies and metal cages and screws they want to put in you . period ! why would you want bone removed if you dont need it . or screws and a cage which will surely lead to adjacent segment disease and weakening of the structure . also the recovery time will be long after all the muscle disruption from them opening you up . the only exception would be fractures which requires fusion for stability . dont take my word for it , do your research , doctors like this guy only like the sound of their own voice .

[@jbonetns]

total hacks , i can see the dollar signs