Spinoza / Gurdjieff "God and Free Will"

[@nicolemorton89]

I am so grateful for coming across your post! I found it very interesting, and would love to hear more. I will definitely check out your site. One thing i recently determined, in my belief, is the " greatest form of power,and control, is of ones self." This, r3flecting on the change in society, aswell as my personal experience with abuse, and mainly related to Narcism, and its increase as well as its growing notability, and its affects throughout society. (Something to discuss another time.) As far as GOD, i believe similar to what you described, there is not A, one, or right or wrong. Yes, a master, leader,ruler,CREATOR, of ALL, but not specifically individually, or intentionally specific, yet, just as important, valued, and responsible for. (Chain reaction, evolution, reproduction....you get my point.) Cause and effect is a HUGE STAPLE, a concrete universal law, much like up down, in out.....they are laws, rules, TRUTHS, that can't be denied or defied, yheybare the foundation. Many different aspects, environment, culture, education, social, economic, play a big part of shaping individuals, or determining our destiny, BUT, thats where FREE WILL, comes into play, BUT, my most important aspect i feel thst has b3en overlooked and disregarded, is INTENTION. I BELIEVE, the meaning amd purpose of life, and all the answers we seek, are very very simple, and have been and are available to us, since creation. The EARTH, our MOTHER, (from which we are created from, and retun to )the only known, self creating, and sustainable planet, provides all we need to survive, and thrive, and prosper. Yet, we rather seek an alternative, than invest in our only resoce, and provider. Our choices, ultimately,are what shape us, BUT, ITS THE INTENTION, THE reason, root to our core, the one thing that droves is to DO, that we sometimes can never answer, and will never underestimate. To each their own, as we arrive, we shall depart. It is then, we face judgement, or, determine ones value, your worth, if your good,bad, going up, or down. You may have believed you did the rigt things, and others had a different precetion. You omly have to abswer to one, for what YOU are accounts for. Stay strong.

[@nicolemorton89]

Apologies for my inconsistent random confusing rely, there's just too much to say, on numerous topics, but I'd love to have the opportunity to discuss further, and more indepth. Very encouraging to know someone out there is interested in the same.

[@lewisalmeida3495]

Thanks for your thoughts.

[@jeff_forsythe]

We should neither be after power or control, true wisdom is truthfulness-compassion-tolerance, human kind....................Falun Dafa

[@glenmccarthy8482]

As it becomes ever more apparent that global warming is an abrupt irreversible exponential function , have we collectively created this dilemma , knowingly or are we victims of predeterminism ?

[@SamuelDimitrij]

Why are we victims to predetermination in the case of climate change more than any other scenario?

[@lewisalmeida3495]

Unfortunately, we are doing things unconsciously, we follow our desires which are determined by causes that we are not aware of. We have been influenced since childhood what to believe and follow in what is good. We seek immediate gratification without concern with our future. Fortunately, there is a way to awake and become self-determined.

[@wayofspinoza2471]

@@SamuelDimitrij the belief in free will is an obstacle to grasp what I am communicating and to understand the nature of determinism.

[@wayofspinoza2471]

the problem with human nature is the belief that they have free will. You and I are act automatically to preserve and exist, We are unable to comprehend what are trying to make sense of. I know, I have the way to free oneself from being unconscious of this reality.

[@jeff_forsythe]

No, we have all cast out the Divine allowing Satan to rule. Faith is the cure...................Falun Dafa

[@geoffburton822]

Gurdieff said "Remember Yourself". With that, you might come to know thyself. Don't expect to understand God.

[@wayofspinoza2471]

I found Gurdjieff as a great introduction to the work that I do; however, he has his limitation of the true nature of man and of God. Spinoza is very clear, he explains in his Ethics, that the more you understand your emotions the more you'll understand God. Self-observation from the level of ego goes nowhere. I know by practice that when you surrender to you pain, hate, and anger, when triggered by expectations that were not met, then journaling the experience, the law of the mind will be awakened. You see, God or Nature constitutes the essence of your mind. In reality, your awakened mind is a part of this infinite non-anthropomorphic Beings intelligence.

[@Capnmax]

How is it only partly true that Spinoza was a pantheist?

[@wayofspinoza2471]

Your imagine you know what a pantheist is and what God is. Go to my website and do some work to improve your understanding.

[@RiserOfficial]

Was with you until you started saying billl gates is smart and does good things for people.

[@wayofspinoza2471]

Your right, Bill Gates has done a lot to confuse the public with his idea about climate change, about GMO, and purchasing thousands of land to convince people to consume his food.

[@hassnao6231]

I’m sorry to say Sir you’re very limited You need to read more Maybe master other languages(a good help for you to understand “things“)

[@wayofspinoza2471]

Thank you for your comment; however, it would help if you are more specific.

[@jeff_forsythe]

No, a great teacher is needed...............Falun Dafa

[@BigBunnyLove]

Cult nonsense Falun Dafa. Talk about not knowing yourself.

[@jeff_forsythe]

@@BigBunnyLove Yes, exactly, if you consider practicing truthfulness-compassion-tolerance nonsense, right on.

[@BigBunnyLove]

@@jeff_forsytheinstead of leading with your ignorance, you led with your pride. You sir are just a muppet. In a cult, the leaders know it is bullshit. You know the difference between a cult and a religion, in a religion, the cult leaders are dead. Wake up muppet. You’re a liar. Your ego has taken control of you. Have fun.

[@ronwhitehouse23]

You are so difficult to follow. There are no gods no devils no heaven no hell,

[@wayofspinoza2471]

If you have understood my video, you would realize that Spinoza has given us an idea of the true God. You must discern the difference between your imagination, fantasy, and true knowledge that is possible to realize. However, you have to learn how to awaken your higher thinking mind. I have a process how to do that.

[@jeff_forsythe]

Guess again. Surprise, we are not here for fun, earth is a last chance for us to suffer away our sins and to return home to Heaven...............Falun Dafa

[@ronwhitehouse23]

@@jeff_forsythe PATHETIC Look after our planet your religion wants us to USE it.

[@ronwhitehouse23]

@@wayofspinoza2471 I couldn't find myself to watch it, it was painful and therefore never really found about Spinoza unfortunately.

[@BigBunnyLove]

@@jeff_forsythe Hey, leave the wise man alone. Go pedal your cult nonsense to the fools it was made for Mr. Falun Dafa. You are asleep. Sweet dreams. Stay awhile, have some fun 🤩