Spiral Wrap - Why and How

[@ramoutdoors6415]

Not an idiot Florida! That was a very good explanation of a spiral/acid wrap, one of the best. Gary Loomis gave a very good explanation of it also. I will be doin the same. Thumbs up and great vid! Richard from Kansas;)

[@fdxcustomrods]

Thanks Richard. I tried to show a visual so it made sense to everyone. Thanks for watching, Lee.

[@ramoutdoors6415]

@@fdxcustomrods Lee, it was perfect man!

[@jasonroberts8540]

As a rod builder my only disagreement is less eyes is better. Up here in northern Michigan I've seen countless times on steelhead rods.......the more eye the more sensitivity. Great video man. Very informative and helpfull

[@fdxcustomrods]

Send me an email to [e-mail]. I would love to hear more on that. That's a style of rod I don't build often.

[@janethennies9623]

I just went over to a rod builders house in Breezy Pt, Mn today. He teaches classes and is a great guy. I needed a couple parts. He’s a Batson rep. I asked if he could critique my first couple builds. He said I screwed up the spine. I thought I had it right. He then told me about a cat fisherman named Roberts who developed the spiral wrap as in your video. He showed a couple rods he built with this guide pattern. Craziest thing I’ve ever seen. Might try it. Fun to see his shop.

[@fdxcustomrods]

That sounds like a fun day.

[@todddivelbliss4706]

Another great video I love the knowledge and experience and the reason why you do things the way you do them. I told you today I was ordering some rods after we get back home well they will be spiral wrap

[@fdxcustomrods]

I told you when you fished with one of mine, it was going to cost you...😀

[@mmacionk2]

I've bought a SLX rod a time ago, since I used it mostly for fishing techniques that I needed good sensibility, I tryied rewraping it's guides for a spiral wrap, and I tell you, it improved the rod's sonsibility a LOT

[@fdxcustomrods]

The difference in performance is amazing

[@LunkerFishing]

Interesting idea. I never built a spiral wrapped rod......yet.

[@fdxcustomrods]

Yet is the key word in this crazy hobby...😁

[@unclecosmo5364]

I own (and still use) several spiral wrap rods built by Rich Forhan over 20 years ago.

[@fdxcustomrods]

Yep, this is not a new idea.

[@tomosedwards8369]

Thanks for the vid! Has inspired me to try it.

[@fdxcustomrods]

Awesome, thank you, Tomos

[@kelvinlloysellis5976]

Makes perfect sense to me thanks for the explanation. Would I be correct in assuming the spine should be at the bottom of the rod?

[@fdxcustomrods]

Yes sir, that is correct. Thanks for watching.

[@EdwardSmith27]

Love your videos

[@fdxcustomrods]

Thanks for Watching!

[@daveengstrom9250]

Absolute genius.

[@fdxcustomrods]

Thanks

[@BarnwellFishing]

Where is the spine in correlation to the the end of the rod I guess what I'm trying to ask is do you use the spine like regular casting or do you do it like a spinning rod use the spline on the inside at the end of the pole or do you use the spine on the outside and at the end of the pole?

[@fdxcustomrods]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYvdZpyZl6iMjM0 This might help. I put the natural bend of the rod on the down side as you fish it.

[@ronaldrapmund4901]

Great video iv been looking at makeing one what would your guides layout would be for a 6'6" rod

[@fdxcustomrods]

That depends on the manufacturer, power, and action.

[@craigcampbell2687]

Hi, do you need to use a larger guide eye opening for first 2 guides. I am building a 7 foot med heavy casting rod and want to spiral wrap. Thanks

[@fdxcustomrods]

I wouldn't start with less than an 8. You will likely have to use 4 guides in your spital to keep the line from touching the blank.

[@craigcampbell2687]

@@fdxcustomrods Thanks

[@craigcampbell2687]

@@fdxcustomrods Funny thing happened. I had the guides in place for casting guides in top held in place with bands and tip top glued. I started to load it up with line through all guides and tip top. The guides closest to the top of blank with a load on rolled over to the bottom. Will be doing spiral wrap for sure after seeing that. Thanks for the videos.

[@fdxcustomrods]

In the chaos part 2 video coming soon, I spiraled a big boy blank, starting with and 8, and it required a stripper and two transition guides.

[@tonyduran4764]

I've been debating on whether or not make a spiral wrapped rod. I may just have to do it.

[@fdxcustomrods]

You will not be disappointed.

[@jarrodbriggs8246]

A question about the layout and guides. Would you use single foot microwave air guides on a heavy rod like this with being spiral wrapped. I know there’s a few ways of securing the guides just wondering if theyed hold up? Last was wondering how many guides you ended up with.

[@fdxcustomrods]

First, I don't belive that Microwave casting guides give you much advantage on a spiral wrapped rod, but they don't detract either. Guide number and placement will be determined in a static load test. See my video on guide placement and testing I did a month ago.

[@jamesshelton2125]

should u do this on all rods or just flipping rods?? like crankbait rods or moving baits ??

[@fdxcustomrods]

I use a spiral wrap on almost every rod I build.

[@aaronwilde]

I fish bait casters almost exclusively and have bought and built many now, and all have been built traditionally with guides UP. I have never broken a tip once, even using light gear on larger fish. I truly believe that tip breaks are almost always due to abuse of the relatively more delicate and thin top section. I even think many situations where I broke my rod in the thicker lower sections have been to my weight bouncing into the blank while I have the hook in the keeper and bush whack. Although some blanks seem to take that abuse. I did try to make a spiral wrap once but I did the version where there is only one transitional guide and I didn't like it. Maybe the two transitional guide version would be better for long medium action Salmon/Steelhead float fishing rods. I'm about to test guide placement on a 9 foot rod and will mess around some more. I build 4 piece fly blanks into bait casters so I can pack them easily, and I find the ferrules come crooked after fishing a lot. I wonder if that could be eliminated by spiral wrapping and thus having no rotational torque... hmmm. I also never really spine the rod as from my research the blanks are tested in all directions and I like to build on the straightest line instead, but maybe your point about spinning it evenly for rotational torque could come into play there too.. Cheers

[@fdxcustomrods]

Thanks for your input and perspective , Aaron.

[@jasonroberts8540]

If you don't spline your rods......your wasting material and not a rod builder Please stop saying you build rods. That's rod building 101 shit your hot doing.😊

[@jasonroberts8540]

Dumbest thing I've ever heard come out of someone's mouth. I'm guessing you don't try on pants before you buy them either. They say skinny jeans and you buy them😂

[@sebessorok1393]

Hi! I like video! Why didn't you use 4 spiral guides with the first 0° 45° 135° 180° rotation? 0° 90° 90° 180° is better?

[@fdxcustomrods]

It depends on the diameter of the blank and the height of the guides. You can do it any way you want and does not appear to effect the performance. I just keep it as simple as possible.

[@sebessorok1393]

​@@fdxcustomrods I undestand! Many thanks!👍

[@stevencurrie5385]

I’m building a 6’10”’ casting wrod with spiral wraps guides. I’m having hard time with rod spacing. Using other rods to go off but what would you recommend

[@fdxcustomrods]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqCVaGOlmqtkic0 This should explain how to figure it out.

[@mikeensor9012]

I have a custom built “Roberts wrapped” rod , at least that’s what the gentleman who built it for me 30 years ago told me!

[@fdxcustomrods]

Nice! That a collectors piece.

[@angeldelarosajr341]

Would you recommend on a surf rod

[@fdxcustomrods]

I would recommend this technique for any casting rod. Actually, the heavier the rod rod, the more effective it can be.

[@kelvinmodeste7549]

Can you effectively use a spinning reel on that rod?

[@fdxcustomrods]

No. It is strictly a bait caster rod that has the benefit of no rotational torque on the blank.

[@adwhite804]

This affects distance casting I would imagine?

[@fdxcustomrods]

It increases distance as much as 15%

[@BigTimeFishin]

Cool.

[@fdxcustomrods]

Thanks for watching

[@dougsmith7031]

To be optimal, and increase line efficiency, you need 1 more transition guide.

[@fdxcustomrods]

I've tested a lot of rods, and on some of the larger diameter rods, it takes 2 transition guides. But on most small diameter blanks, only 1 guide is necessary.