"disgustingly OP" - Japanese review of the Turtle Ship, 1590s
@EvilDoresh22 күн бұрын
"Plz nerf" "This new ship meta sucks"
@KimFareseed22 күн бұрын
Patch Notes: -Turtle Ships nerfed, Admiral Yi has been dismissed.
@a.nonimus670522 күн бұрын
@@KimFareseedNext Patch Notes: Psyyyyych, Yi just wrecked your 100+ vessel fleet with 10 ships by luring you into a narrow channel against unfavorable currents Japanese: Hax. This game is broken. We're only playing land maps now
@zaratrustamaster21 күн бұрын
gotta love to imagine yi sun shin as an insanely skilled micro player, while the japanese general, hideyoshi, was that 'screw it, patrol in' type of player
@SciFi228521 күн бұрын
"Pls make Chinese more noob friendly... I am low elo" - Ming Emperor, 1590s
@chingamfong22 күн бұрын
0:44 "Admiral Yi .... Yeeted Japanese battleships" I laughed way harder than i should
@Hanfgurkenhasser22 күн бұрын
I cannot believe I just heard this 40-something year old man unironically say that without chuckling. Amazing.
@magossvinctus22 күн бұрын
you might even say... he Yi-ted...
@CrniWuk22 күн бұрын
"A gentle yoink!" - Admiral Yi, ca. 1500.
@Caiotus21 күн бұрын
I had to go back and listen to it again after hearing it hahaha
@SY-jd7dm21 күн бұрын
@@Hanfgurkenhasserwait, Spirit is 40? He looks so young though.
@paulreiter701522 күн бұрын
I think it would have been a good idea to include a bit on how turtle ships fare as anti-building (mainly towers and castles) ships because I've see the cannon projectile trip new players up into thinking they're replacements for the cannon galleon.
@STevEKlm01222 күн бұрын
That's a good point. Things like cannon galleon relies on it's range and bonus damage to destroy buildings, both of which turtle ship lacks.
@truepietro22 күн бұрын
You hit the point man!
@YuriXEstelle22 күн бұрын
I really like the inclusion of historical facts for some context. I hope to see it in more unit overviews.
@Duke_of_Lorraine22 күн бұрын
You forgot the most important buff the Turtle Ship got over the years : an AOC patch changed its appearance, it notably had a single-beam "tail" instead of the twin one, and was narrower.
@EvilDoresh22 күн бұрын
It was also overall more oval in shape, whereas the front and back of the more authentic-looking ship are "cut off"
@Hemostat22 күн бұрын
they really took the "turtle" part and ran with it
@Duke_of_Lorraine22 күн бұрын
@@EvilDoresh indeed, to allow forward- and backward-facing cannons. I built a turtle ship in Space Engineers (called "Typhoon Serpent", it's on the Steam Workshop), on it I decided to have 2 forward guns. No rear ones, as I prefered using the room for a bigger broadside.
@Duke_of_Lorraine22 күн бұрын
@@Hemostat they mainly rushed the design as Microsoft told them to add the Koreans 5 weeks before the deadline. The design of the Turtle Ship was fixed but the gameplay design of the civ is still in the air 24 years later.
@AllahDoesNotExist22 күн бұрын
@@Duke_of_LorraineThat was to appease the Korean StarCraft players right
@LightKnight_Age_Of22 күн бұрын
The ad in the end from SOTL is the only ad that I genuinely like to watch
@michaelbird914821 күн бұрын
Yeah, genuinely creative and natural feeling with a very clear call-out at the start and end of the video. Great approach.
@jjforcebreaker22 күн бұрын
Shoutout to Spirit Of The Law, for continuing to make entertaining and informative videos.
@counterman-namreview51622 күн бұрын
imagine Turtle Ship suddenly pack side way and start shooting ALL OF ITS SIDE CANNONS lmao
@widodoakrom393822 күн бұрын
Too op
@Showsni21 күн бұрын
And then bust out their historically accurate sails to become the fastest naval unit too.
@ersatzvitamin121 күн бұрын
BROADSIDE ATTACKKKKKK
@bobjoe10921 күн бұрын
That's age of empires 3 lol
@robdenini697221 күн бұрын
Fun fact about Yi: he won every battle against the Japanese, never lost a single ship and, in his most famous battle, he was outnumbered 50 to 1 and still defeated the Japanese while losing like 5 sailors.
@BayWa4eva21 күн бұрын
have the japanese ever been a strong naval force though? if so then i have never heard of it.
@MrDwarfpitcher21 күн бұрын
The Japanese were strong in ww2. They also performed well against the Russian Baltic fleet which is a very fun story to look up
@BayWa4eva21 күн бұрын
@@MrDwarfpitcher thanks, i'll have a look at that
@robdenini697221 күн бұрын
@@BayWa4eva They defeated numerous Korean fleets (when not under Yi's command) and were also known for their piracy during the middle ages
@melissagrenier220021 күн бұрын
@@BayWa4eva I don't know but it'd be weird for an island nation to not have had a strong navy at any point wouldn't it?
@yuuumtheepic411822 күн бұрын
I bet 1000 dollars the next civ overview WONT be koreans. He knows we're growing complacent with these video predictions, and is gonna throw us for a loop. I personally support this, never let anybody know your next move Edit: FUCK
@azurerider81222 күн бұрын
See you next video
@shizukousapostle1stapostle71020 күн бұрын
But he already did that last time meaning he wants us to think that the next civ overview won't be Koreans but it will actually be Koreans and surprise us. We have already lost
@Feuerpfeil3697 күн бұрын
Ehm, sounds like a good bet :D
@gamingwithdrgoblin22 күн бұрын
Yep, we now know what the next video is gonna be
@rat_thrower560422 күн бұрын
Top 10 worst barracks
@brainwasher987622 күн бұрын
Mongols!
@harshawardhanthopate48722 күн бұрын
It definitely is not the Korean civ review. We all know how SoTL surprised us the last time 😅
@thegmer524922 күн бұрын
The question is: when?
@chingamfong22 күн бұрын
He still owes us a Teutons overview
@Wuuj_21 күн бұрын
Admiral Yi Soon Shin pulled some crazy shit with these back in the day. He really got treated horribly by the corrupt politicians and systems back in the day but he was a genuinely an unrivaled, wartime strategist, gigachad patriot that held off the entirety of Japanese Navy, once even outnumbered like 1 to 10. If he was an AOE player NOBODY would beat him in a water focused map.
@CrnaStrela20 күн бұрын
He was apparently never defeated, not even when he was a mere border officer. He becoming admiral was because of jealously of the other border officers and that position was more of an exile than promotion. Yet, he managed to fix the navy and became the sole reason why Hideyoshi couldn't invade Korean land. Bro's worst enemies are literally his own people.
@NicvB22 күн бұрын
We need a food centric video so that the sponsorship can be for the website spirit of the slaw.
@FleishDawg22 күн бұрын
I remember as a kid this unit just mystified me. What a cool looking gigantic boss battle unit - always reminded me of the Battlecruiser of Starcraft 1 at the time.
@lollaloopa22 күн бұрын
Remember when you got some turtle ships as an easter egg in the aztec campaign? It felt so magical to young me.
@stylesrj21 күн бұрын
@@lollaloopa A gift from the gods?
@ersatzvitamin121 күн бұрын
@lollaloopa Now, it just became looted cannon galleon
@fullmetalx22522 күн бұрын
Serendipitous you posted about these ships and Yi Sun-sin while I've been reading the book Imjin War and came upon this passage: "On April 23 a small fishing boat was stopped in nearby waters and the two Japanese on board, a twenty-seven-year old calling himself Sogoro who "could read and write a little," and a forty-four-year old illiterate named Yosayemon, were arrested on suspicion of being spies. The two were brought before Yi Sun-sin, who interrogated them through an interpreter. This is what they said: We are natives of Izumo, Japan. On the 18th of this month we put out to sea in a small boat for fishing and were caught while adrift before a storm. We don't know very much about the daily activity or the way of espionage of the Japanese soldiery, but we heard that an order arrived from the homeland for evacuation of the Japanese armed forces from Korea before Third Moon regardless of victory or defeat, because during two years' stay in a foreign land the Japanese army suffered so many casualties. Therefore, the Japanese army here will go home as soon as its friendly battalions from the north will come to join it. Commander Yi, finding their words "cunning and vague," had them tortured, but no additional information could be extracted. He then ordered their arms and legs torn from their bodies. Finally they were put out of their misery by having their heads chopped off."
@bionetik21 күн бұрын
What a wholesome and uplifting anecdote
@dokhanh104422 күн бұрын
Turtle ship has Dragon head since its sharpe may be not based Turtle but 귀부 (or Bixi in chinese). In mythology, Bixi is eldest child of Dragon with enormous strength allowing him to carry mountain on his shell Some versions said it should be turtle head but for psychological warfare, it is replace by dragon head en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bixi
@peterkeleher22 күн бұрын
very cool!
@cassiolins120322 күн бұрын
I think an important side of population efficiency is that it free pop space for villagers and fishing ships. For example: if a Turtle ship can beat 3 Galleons, it is actually a better unit even if it cost 3 times more, because now you have 1 military unit (which is worth 3) PLUS 2 villagers/fishing ships.
@inioszi305322 күн бұрын
More historic references, even longer ones. I loved this one
@Imperiused21 күн бұрын
Watching this video made me think... something we're missing is a Team Bonus that let's you recruit a unique boat unit. If we eventually get one of these, hopefully it'll have great synergy with Turtle Ships. Maybe a small cheap karambit-like canoe? Then you can use them as a meat shield and swarm your opponent while your Turtles turn it into a snowball.
@xavierinthetube21 күн бұрын
"Admiral Yi, as he yeeted the Japanese" you outdid yourself Spirit
@TheOhioNews21 күн бұрын
8:24 amazingly, we just saw this matchup in Regicide Rumble 5 a couple hours ago, and a couple hours AFTER this video posted
@MC-wh3xm22 күн бұрын
Turtle ships are also pretty good at map/chokepoint control, if you can protect a few near the opponents shores, they're going to lose all their buildings eventually. They basically 1-2 shot all ground/trade units.
@civ-fanboy213722 күн бұрын
Your Addbreaks are simply the best
@yasirbukhari100620 күн бұрын
Hey Spirit of the Law, guys here! On the latest Town Center podcast ft. The Viper and Masmorra , Masmorra said that you'll be coming on that podcast soon. I really can't wait for it.
@MouseDestruction22 күн бұрын
One of the better units to use repair on as well, high durability and expensive.
@chickenadobo716622 күн бұрын
SPIRIT OF THE S L O W
@trailblazer174821 күн бұрын
That add build up was S tier stuff.. I want to go see that “spirit of the slow” website right now. XD
@smugshrug22 күн бұрын
are you turtley enough for the turtle ship club?
@CyberDrewan22 күн бұрын
Turtle ship! Turtle ship!
@lewstherintelamon24422 күн бұрын
How do dromons do against Turtleships?
@redman145822 күн бұрын
bad
@widodoakrom393822 күн бұрын
Up
@daarom347222 күн бұрын
depends what kind of dromon.
@SOUPNPC21 күн бұрын
Played against Koreans as the Armenians (Id argue best Dromon Civ) they wipe.
@zeroyuki9221 күн бұрын
@@SOUPNPCwho wiped who?
@Doktersocks22 күн бұрын
The koreans are what got me into AoE because I loved how their unique units look.
@Doc_Calamari21 күн бұрын
The Turtle Ship has been one of my favorites ever since The Conquerors was released. Only recently, when Definitive Edition was released, I realized how unpopular it actually was. I was quite bummed because people simply never used it as intended, which is in a big ball of all the ships. Regarding their weaknesses, even though real life Turtle Ships were relatively fast and maneuverable, considering their heavy armor, they performed poorly on open water or at rough seas. The first time the Turtle Fleet was commanded by someone else than Admiral Yi (who had been imprisoned for being too successful), they were baited into open water where they were easily outmaneuvered and destroyed. So in a way it makes sense that the AoE2 Turtle Ship is better at defending chokepoints than chasing down Galleons.
@michaelengelbrecht-hk8zw21 күн бұрын
I see we’re getting to the Spirit of the Blog with Squarespace today!
@UnDeaDCyBorg18 күн бұрын
The one comparison we haven't seen is a mixed ship army of all 3 types for either side, that is, where the opposing force brings a tiny group of demo ships to the battle. After all, those also deal pretty decent damage against (Korean) fire ships, so I think that's a relevant comparison.
@BrownFoxWarrior21 күн бұрын
7:40 That demo pathing made me die a little inside.
@Nostryck22 күн бұрын
Always a pleasure to see your unit presentation videos! I wouldn't have thought it was so profitable, given how rarely we see it. On the other hand, there are two aspects not covered in the video, which I would have been curious to know: - what does it give against units compared to a galleon (given that it hits in AOE) - how does it look compared to buildings, such as a tower or a castle
@BayWa4eva21 күн бұрын
no naval unit is particularly strong against buildings. cannon galleons only work because they outrange castles and towers, their dps can't keep up with land units and if they ever get in range of a castle they're dead. regular dromons can't even outrange a crennelation castle, total losers.
@jotfohm464422 күн бұрын
Hey Spirit Guys of the Law her. 😊🎉❤
@ismail_22 күн бұрын
Here* 🤣
@starcaller644821 күн бұрын
I’m glad the turtle ship has slowly gotten better over the last two decades. This video might help more Korean players come out of their shell. Also, does your elephant know you’re seeing a turtle? I thought facts were THEIR special thing.
@Jixxor21 күн бұрын
Korenas were really fortunate to have Adminal Yeet on their side back in the day.
@Whomobile21 күн бұрын
They easily are my favourite looking ship
@laservsvecchiette22 күн бұрын
Ah yes teutons overview incoming!
@koutetsusama249820 күн бұрын
Your videos are amazing, love your stuff SoTL!
@starocean853422 күн бұрын
Portuguese civ overview coming up😂
@Green__Ghost22 күн бұрын
That explains why there wasn't a Korea video after the war wagon one.
@laguz341322 күн бұрын
I remember a 4v4 match i had in Baltic. Someone on the enemy team decided to make a turtleship deathball. It was imposible to take down, those ships were immortal.
@Amadeus848420 күн бұрын
Imagine if someone had combined the Turtle Ship with the Longboat. Perfection in pre-modern naval engineering...
@ozyermiahu22 күн бұрын
It'll be interesting to have ships that are like rams, but i think that maybe the won't be so useful. Perhaps as another attack option to the turtle ship
@arcticbeak22 күн бұрын
They are the best. Also my favourite unit.
@doomplage999921 күн бұрын
Hi. What I love about your channel is that it exists. Bye.
@Roel9321 күн бұрын
My first thought was demo + turtle since turtle beats all except fire (and demo sort of). Keep the demo ships behind your turtles until the fire/demo ships approach.
@yamchadragonball698319 күн бұрын
You forgot the teenager mutant Ninja upgrade, although it costs a lot of food and almost seems to require some pepperonipizza.
@dragosd899222 күн бұрын
War wagon now turtle ships. You're edging me
@LanceNisk-gt6xq21 күн бұрын
Hey Spirit, Guys of the Law here!
@balazsfenyes388022 күн бұрын
I like this ship so much, it looks so good and it's so bulky and slow, it's a teutonic shipknight without a cape
@Cblazer10022 күн бұрын
You didn’t compare the damage to buildings to the cannon gallon 😢
@rowanturner-jones493621 күн бұрын
Thought you would put in cannon galleon comparison😮
@irishguy05120 күн бұрын
You should really take a look at Sins of A Solar Empire II, which just released. Its got lots of similar mechanics, plenty of "When does it make sense to pay for this eco upgrade" questions you could answer!
@andrewy295721 күн бұрын
I think in imp, monks completely shutdown turtleship aggression. In castle, its a bit more close.
@Arcodus20 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video. I hope that one day Age of Empires 2 DE will get animated oars for ships.
@mojungle305421 күн бұрын
VIDEO IDEA: Which civ has the best un-upgraded units. Best militia? Best spears? Best scouts? Etc
@michaelandreipalon35921 күн бұрын
Forget the side cannons, am surprised it doesn't have the naval equivalent of Cataphract trample damage, what with its protective spikes.
@Cysubtor_8vb22 күн бұрын
I just started playing water maps again for the first time in a while (first trying out the new Thirisadai then reverting to an old fav the Spanish Cannon Galleon with Ballistics) and was wondering how the Turtle Ship has changed from the old days.
@CenturyOldPanda18 күн бұрын
Hey Spirit of the law / everyone. Just curious to know if the background music used in those SOTL videos are copyright free musics? If so, does anybody know their names?
@aruan7sp22 күн бұрын
I thought that you would've mentioned that the first thing that changed for the Turtle Ship was its appearance.
@kunevv17 күн бұрын
Such a rare thing to say but I have some critique here - an obvious question arises - why we almost never see turtles in pro play? And I think the angle of monks being hard counter to them is worth to be noted. That seems as a significant weakness to the turtles (kind of parallel to elephants on land).
@DCdabest20 күн бұрын
I wonder if you can go hard into Turtle Ships in castle and just keep doubling down on them. The numbers on how much wood and gold you would need to make it happen would be interesting to see.
@raynightshade831721 күн бұрын
If they made this thing historically accurate it would be OP as well. On other note have you seen the recent movies about YI? they are really good
@gustavchambert707222 күн бұрын
Uuum. Aren't we missing something in the comparisons here? Like cannon galleons and dromon?
@RheaMainz18 күн бұрын
Turtle ships are very wide, so while they turn faster than normal ships, normal ships should outpace them in straight lines.
@daheadsmiter205222 күн бұрын
Doing important thing < Watching Useless Facts about a Video game.
@commonpepe227022 күн бұрын
Those unique ship matchups ironically make the turtle ship the samurai of naval units.
@ethribin418822 күн бұрын
In short, the Turtle ship is so powerfull, you do NOT want to fight it. But you absolutely have the choice to fight, or to run.
@themodman101422 күн бұрын
@SpiritOfTheLaw Your next website should be "Spirit of the Slaw" and be about BBQ related things.
@royasturias178422 күн бұрын
a.k.a Geobukseon, the proto-ironclads of the Joseon polity before it went full Hermit Kingdom
@rupert756522 күн бұрын
But how do they stack up against the cannon galleon?
@kudrzyk22 күн бұрын
I demand turtle to be added as a channel mascot, alongsite elephant.
@dominikvukelic241219 күн бұрын
10:50 why does one fire ship change his mind, seeing the horrors and destruction, and becomes peaceful?
@cuauhtemocsolanorosas910921 күн бұрын
What about the comparison vs Artillery Galleons?
@Pedrunski_9921 күн бұрын
I love spirit of the law
@Alexplainshow21 күн бұрын
East Asia would give Turtles a dragon head to signify their divinity
@bigbigestwiner9220 күн бұрын
Just wanted to say that I don’t even play aoe2 and stilk watch a lot of your videos. That ought to tell something about the quality here
@TheOhioNews21 күн бұрын
Jon Slow about to check this website out
@Shnazz99915 күн бұрын
How much gold does the butt breathing upgrade for the turtle ship cost and what are the in-game effects?
@ico120 күн бұрын
Smol smol turtle house!
@spyrofrost915822 күн бұрын
As a kid I always loved turtling (haha) until Imperial Age and sending swarms of turtle ships at the AI. I don't really play Koreans anymore after their heavy DE changes.
@DrabWallDevice21 күн бұрын
My question: How do they see where they're going?
@lincolnvolk760921 күн бұрын
Spirit of the la hire!!
@tanujaeasycooking807521 күн бұрын
Are you going to do Korean overview or war wagon overview
@RazorWinter21 күн бұрын
Going Turtle Ships + Fire Ships seems you double down on your demo ship weakness. Which is good online cuz players barely use it. But if you are campaign/bot player it can be pretty annoying.
@avideogamemaster21 күн бұрын
11:42 oof, that finish off was hard to watch lol
@eodo1405121 күн бұрын
SPIRIT OF THE SLOOOOOWWWWW 11 love you sotl ❤
@yuuya598522 күн бұрын
Square Space really found a creative advertiser 11
@otarius9922 күн бұрын
I think it would be best to increase its damage in area specially against fire ships
@harktischris21 күн бұрын
how would turtle ship + demo ship fare instead of fire ships? is it just not resource efficient at all?
@dievahdown22 күн бұрын
They’re so good that I only play Koreans on water maps and I always win
@smrtycakes750920 күн бұрын
sick ad SOTL!
@Korakos20 күн бұрын
You lied to us! Where is your spirit of the slow website!!! I DEMAND turtle facts!
@Jeff_the_Hobo22 күн бұрын
It's such a niche case that the turtle ship negates anti-camel bonus damage.
@ethribin418822 күн бұрын
Based on korean history.... would it make sense for the koreans to get a civ bonus or tech that gives their galley line +1 range? Or would that be op?
@idkputsomerandomname965722 күн бұрын
I think the only way to see the "full potential" of Turtle ships is in a T90 community game where you're supposed to hold the monument at the center (the center is surrounded by shallows, so ships can path through). Been a while since I checked T90, so I'm not sure if he's still hosting those.
@johnsmith354821 күн бұрын
Uh, if its a short range cannon galleon why non of comparison are against cannon galleons? I guess those are trash vs other naval units but at least dps output could be compared