Stop Using The OCTANE... FENNEC Vs. OCTANE In 2023

[@Sotumney]

The swap from Hybrid to the Octane feels really hard to do, but swapping to Fennec, I can almost perfectly carry over all mechanics instead of Octane. It's insane.

[@garb2405]

you had 0 mechs before and it’s all placebo

[@Sotumney]

@@garb2405 but I still have zero mechs lmao

[@CodeHiiro]

​@@Sotumney because you can't have negative mechs

[@VondyGaming]

I switched to the Fennec and I play soooooo much better

[@IsaiahW16]

Give the editor a raise!

[@SpookLuke]

@buckfx is the best

[@lergnan2481]

Seriously! Impressive stuff here; a full production video with wonderful graphics, clips, and general “smoothness” making it entertaining and informative

[@hamed2053]

Plot twist, this comment was setup by the editor

[@Cobra_08YT]

Fr

[@CodeHiiro]

​@@hamed2053 lmao

[@balladin9200]

The biggest thing is switching Cars makes you think more, instead of zoning out and bumping your teammate like a npc.

[@SpookLuke]

yea breaks that "autopilot"

[@leminchose]

i'm a main fennec, but in the last few weeks, I changed the Fennec to the Octane and I'm feeling "lighter and more precise" in the aerial plays.. pure Subtle Variation

[@SaclunchGsus]

Have you tried the GTI?

[@HamuelTheGrey]

Im exact opposite rn

[@trxse-tc7rw]

I don’t have fennec 🥺🥺

[@bruhgamer6942]

​@@trxse-tc7rwYou don't need to have it🥺🥺

[@trxse-tc7rw]

How come

[@akiiftn]

Glad I got the fennec a couple of days ago ! I feel so much more consistent and play way better, i'm not flashy and fast anymore but very regular and I feel like the car just does its job better cuz the hitbox fits the fennec better than the octane

[@beantreats]

pretty accurate

[@user-mz5px7km6o]

Did you get it from the season reward?

[@Dragonforge-Networks]

How'd you get it?

[@jqwik4393]

I started off with the octane, but found more success early on using the Dominus and Breakout. But once I got the Fennec, it quickly became my main choice and most confidence boosting vehicle for sure

[@beantreats]

I've been maining fennec since about 3k hours, but I always love going back to the octane for a bit here and there. I always thought of it as kind of a honeymoon phase because it would wear off over time, but now that you talked about the "subtle variation effect", it makes a lot more sense. I will often slightly tweak my camera and other settings if I feel in a rut for a bit (I heard GarrettG mention one time that it can make things feel fresh lol)

[@Keekiio_]

good vid. i use both octane & fennec and feel like im quicker with the octane but more accurate with the fennec. both great cars.

[@piercetucker1644]

Strangely enough I feel exactly the opposite

[@twopolaar599]

@@piercetucker1644 shows how its all in your mind doesnt it?

[@YuvrajSingh-mr2nx]

I'm actually surprised by this video (how true it is) because I always used the octane, always, but when I was starting to get high c3 and now I gc, I switched to fennec for a game and always had the feeling fennec was making me play better, now I saw this video and don't don't it's all in my head and not true

[@rafaeldcls]

I don't get how it took this long for the fennec to be the most used car in rlcs

[@Mattspsycho]

Mostly placebo of playing with the octane their whole life

[@adamricecracker7128]

i wonder how long it will take them to realize that the Roadhog XL (Octane Hitbox) is superior to the Fennec.

[@aaron179]

The problem i see with roadhog XL is its not a good looking car like the fennec so it wont see any use.

[@bbbghhj6159]

​@@aaron179 he is joking 😂

[@DRKS1DER]

I tried maining the Fennec for a few hours, and surprising I was scoring EVERY SINGLE SHOT! I was not even missing 😁. Thanks for the tips!

[@RequiemDream]

I am your mother

[@frenzy9271]

​@@RequiemDreamI'm ur father

[@VittoRanetto]

​@@frenzy9271so you don't exist

[@frenzy9271]

@@VittoRanetto just like ur dad

[@VittoRanetto]

@@frenzy9271 ?? I don't think you understood, you said you are his father, and to say that he doesn't have a father, I said you don't exist, so I wasn't even meaning to say that you don't have a dad

[@dasarchiv3508]

For me it's the feeling. Fennec feels more "clunky" and octane feels more "slim" and "agile" because of the skin. My experience

[@oriongabriel6966]

complete opposite for me, it really shows how it just comes down to personal preferance

[@keithjones894]

Yeah im the opposite. I love the fennec over the octane. I have a lot more misses with the octane. Can't explain it.

[@aha3411]

Same but then I always play better in the fennec

[@shefsufla]

Same hit box

[@OSS976]

@@shefsufla there’s a lot more to it than hit boxes…

[@mikeb6923]

I prefer the Octane myself. I find the Fennec feels too "bouncy" and "loose", where the Octane feels much tighter.

[@freemas33]

didn't know ur mom was an Octane. Sorry I had to I could'nt let a chance like this slip away from me

[@Brap_Lord]

I agree!

[@ClxtchersHimself]

Bruhhhh😮

[@thezaderman4915]

I was an esper main for a long time, (got me from d1-c1) and I really enjoyed it. I switched to octane and it felt good. I also tried fennec for a bit and it also felt good. The main problem I have is that I do not like the octane or fennec design, I don't like to use them. I now use zippy and takumi a lot and I love em. They are not op or "good" cars to ppl but I do rly good in them.

[@MetallicGC]

I also mained zippy and takumi for a bit lol

[@skyte22]

Hey Luke! Just a quick addition to SVE (subtle variation effect). The effect doesnt work the same way as placebo which is purely mentality. SVE works by forcing ur brain to adapt to new environments (in the experiment its the slightly changed sens. You might not notice but your brain automatically tries to adapt which results in higher brain activity for the desired task. SVE is commonly used by high level aimers. It wouldn't work by just changing ur car design or color on the other hand. Just wanted to clarify that :)

[@tonloc8]

I think you have misinterpreted the subtle variation effect. The study was on a mechanical change and you are only suggesting a visual change. While I understand why you might think this would be related, the important factor was that the feel was changed by the settings being changed, i.e. a physical difference in how you execute the action.

[@renejuniorva]

Seriously the video editing was on a another level. Congrats!

[@standingeight1000]

The subtle variation effect also applies to different hitboxes. If you switch from Octane to Merc, then Dominus, Fennec, etc., in theory, you will learn faster. Confidence is everything in this game so it's good to have the mentality 'I can play well with any car'.

[@Bl00df1st]

So, maybe you do a video about all hitboxes with characteristics of each one? It can be useful.

[@thatgamerinam]

Search up “rocket science” it would probably help

[@FlowStateGG]

Thanks for the shoutout luke 😄

[@LifeAsA]

They do a call and make you commit to their whole training program up front which is like $1500.

[@Pslamist]

RyanGoldfish's video on different hitboxes is the best, and I consistently find myself going back to it. After weighing pros and cons and figuring out what works for me and what I wanted to prioritize, I went with Hybrid. It's about the same as the octane, but it has a little more length like the Dominus, so it hits haaard. Jager has treated me best, and the Venom is sick for demo play some reason. I'm trying out the Skyline now, finally.

[@thezaderman4915]

I rly like Jager too! But for me at least I prefer esper. I like how mechanical I feel when I play with it and like you said hybrid hitbox hits hard!

[@Pslamist]

@thezaderman4915 - Nice dude! We now have the Silvia, which is also Hybrid, for what it's worth. I had the Esper but I felt like too much of a meme. I'm back on Venom right now, really out of nowhere. No idea why.

[@Kaynroc]

They’ve done studies that have proved that if you know about a placebo, as long as you believe that it will make you better, it WILL even though you know that it’s a placebo

[@Syntactual]

I personally use the Scarab

[@AnublsVR]

yes do it’s the best car lol

[@HeyYouYouAreFinallyAwake]

chad

[@chrxsrl]

W

[@lucimma9409]

if you arent mechanical or fast the fennec will feel very heavy

[@kyyyrooo]

yeah especially when air rolling

[@bstnlcge2662]

It depends on people. I never had that kind of "heavy" feeling when switching cars. Especially when switching cars from the same hitbox. The feeling of accuracy for precise touches because of differences when it comes to visual garbage outside of the hitbox is a different story though.

[@YuvrajSingh-mr2nx]

Wouldn't say fennec feels slow for me, would just say octane feels lighter sometimes if yk what I mean, but I'm mailing fennec now and I realised why I started feeling fennec was better now that I'm getting into thr higher ranks

[@MaxVulpes]

I think it may just be an illusion becuase of the visual compared to the hit box, i think both cars are equally fast/slow, just that the fennec feels slow, but i think that is just good because if you feel slow you will try to play faster, if you feel fast you will just stay at your current speed or stay slow. The fennec might feel slower becuase its visuals is more accurate to the actual hitbox. the fennec visuals compared to the octane, is a bit bigger, and fills the box more. Just a personal observation and speculation.

[@Nurfed-19]

YEAH I got the same feelings when I switched

[@henrykaufman5177]

The crazy part about the placebo effect is that it was tested and found to work even when you know of its existence and how it is affecting you. You don't have to be oblivious to reap its benefits :)

[@DiamondOrPoor78]

What if I don't have the fennec?

[@isko80original]

I want the fennec so bad. Sometimes i think the game is taunting me by giving me OTHER import cars instead of the FENNEC. I HATE YOU GAME.

[@jonathancook756]

Fennec I love your videos I am currently a plat trying to get to diamond and champ I also see how much work you put into these videos so round of applause

[@Mayawayya]

the variation effect thing is why I played so good in gen.g decal when I first got it

[@NikoDriftPie]

I believe this is true but nobody but JZR realized that the harbinger is way better fitting for octane hitbox then octane or fennec for octane hitbox its like the looks merc and octane put together

[@enyraries]

I think people figured it out but using an ugly ass car WILL make you play worse than using one you like

[@Zyphlyx]

@EnyrAries That’s not true

[@enyraries]

@OG J your state of mind has 0 effect on gameplay?? Literally the best players in the world don't use certain COLORS because it makes them "feel slow".

[@Sturmtige10]

​@@enyrariesit won't lol

[@fatalairroll]

Your materials are amazing in terms of content itself but also visual representation. Respect for you and team preparing it.

[@mike777881]

A benefit to the octane is that it has that engine in the back which is pretty closely lined up to the center of mass of the car, whereas the fennec doesnt have as distinct of a visual cue. I'd argue that its easier to dribble with the octane for this reason, though matching the hitbox seems more important to me.

[@Vanalleswa]

also the distance of the wheels have a factor in the steering circle.. or is that just the placebo effect kicking in? :)

[@peterd5901]

But really the hitboxes are the exact same, therefore there is no advantage to using one or the other. They are literally the same car.

[@to_crazy7478]

I can confirm it with the switching... Sometimes i'll try to learn a mechanic and it just wont work on the fennec, so I switch to the octane, learn it there, and when I switch back I can now do it witj both cars... Octane also feels more nimble and fast at times, so I like to use it to just change playstyle ever so slightly

[@r-nuh5935]

Something you missed is that with most camera settings you can see the front of the fennec, wheras with the octane you can't, you just "know" where the front of your car is.

[@freemas33]

I really wanna switch but I don't have a fennec and my dad doesn't buy me any creds to trade for one or buy my fennec blueprint 😭

[@freemas33]

My life is hella sad I made a comment into a thread lmao 💀

[@freemas33]

I feel like a schizophrenic talking to my imaginary friends... Shit's sad I'm gonna be honest 😢

[@RabbitYT576]

My honest reaction: 😐

[@dragonsxale811]

I definitely agree with this, I actually have my most hours in dominus because I started training with it to learn better aireal controll and like the car for its strong flicks in ones and if I just switched from it to another hit box I wouldn’t play as good.

[@kiiturii]

one thing you got wrong about the placebo effect is that even when a subject is told that what they are experiencing is purely placebo, or that that the pills they've been taking were northing more than sugar pills, the placebo will *still* keep working

[@Dezmen300]

my placebo effect was playing REALLY bad music sped up. my friend hates it but it does make me play better randomly. it helps me not panic and lets me stay calm. but hopefully it still works after you told me that

[@carrasco3001]

The subtle effect is real, o learned to dribble better with octane, by playing some time with breakout, and i think i learned some more playing with other hitboxes,that was early when i saterted playing

[@stoerdienst8158]

I go with the GTI atm cause i'm own one for myself. Would be nice how it is compared to FENNEC and OCTANE. I think somewhere in the middle of both.

[@tylerdurden1255]

The only two cars I have ever played with are Octane and Fennec. Makes sense now that I see how close they are in many ways. Love the content, ggs.

[@Itzcoyotl]

I have been using the Mudcat for years, I am not interested in being as good as a squishy or as a zen, I just like to enjoy the game in Champion, since the rankeds are very interesting and I love how the car looks, I know it is the most efficient It's the octane or the fennec, but for me, part of playing (let's not forget that this is a game) is enjoying and using the car that you like both in performance and visuals, for me, the beautiful Mudcat. Nice video.

[@Itzcoyotl]

by the way, i reach champion only using mudcat hahaha.

[@-DrAgOoN]

is it me or i just feel faster and lighter in the air with the octane and mechanical than the fennec but i feel heavy with the fennec and more controlled ?

[@lergnan2481]

I feel the same, fennec always feels a bit heavier, but I think that just makes me play slower and to my strengths. When I play with the octane I start doing all kinds of crazy stuff

[@KiyuukiRin]

About the subtle variation effect. I changed my fennec from black to tw and overall the whole design. I felt almost like I was better with the new design and learnt to hit some better shots etc. The subtle variation effect might be the answer as to why I progressed faster but I can't be sure

[@SmokeyDaBear98]

I recently switched to the Fennec and it feels so much better. It took a little bit to get used to the hit box and how the car handles but once I got used to it, it's way better than the Octane.

[@LucasDunham-ms4ff]

This videos editing and just overall feeling and explaining is wild for a Rocket League video on KZbin💯🔥🗣️

[@MiniZhao]

Why are people just now getting this...

[@zlette]

As an Octane main, I find the Fennec is better when on the ground, as my flicks and dribbles are really solid with it. But the Octane is more agile in the air and feels really light. If I'm peaking though, the Fennec plays fantastic in every scenario, on the ground and in the air. They're both weird cars with how they play. I recommend if you're below C3 not to use the Fennec if you already use the Octane. If you're around GC1 or higher, the Fennec is good to use and I feel you'll play better with it very quickly. If you're peaking in general, you might play even better if you swap to the Fennec. I did, I felt like I was Zen.

[@boop944]

the edits are literally always on a different level man

[@doggo2786]

What a great video!

[@JAISY7459]

Hey Luke, love the content man keep it up

[@josiahsomerville2533]

The Dominus in the corner starting its Villanova arc... *Vroom Zoom Vroom Vroom Zmoom Nyom* Evil car noises

[@grofakrl]

absolute banger video❤

[@michaelb.6007]

Nomad is the closest for to actual hotbox if any car in my opinion. Uses merc hitbox but matches almost perfectly.

[@notskottkendall]

Everyone sleeping on the Proteus

[@LeBronyaJames]

I use anything with Octane hitbox. I use Octane, Fennec and Honda Civic. I even use the Silvia and Lambo from time to time. Basically, it’s not the car that makes you good, pros are good in every car e.g. Justin in Merc, Squishy in Proteus

[@TazBBX]

Insane quality on this video , loved it! , Huge respect to you and your editor , amazing job 👏🏼

[@jackdog5755]

Very high quality visuals and content, best in the game right now! Keep it up brotha🎉

[@lucazanfir656]

Bro well done for all the edits I mean come on dude bro this is the best edit I have ever seen dude bro

[@ninjapug2010]

Love your videos man, such and inspiration and very helpful

[@locksness]

i used fennec for forever but just recently switched to octane and gotta admit. i def feel faster and feel i have more control of my car in the air. could be placebo effect but im not sure

[@fakeraven4079]

Great video, but I'm gonna have to disagree with your take on the subtle variation effect. The way i understand it, is, changing your aim sensitivity in an FPS challenges your hand-eye coordination. I feel like changing your car colour wouldn't simulate this effect and would be more similar to changing your body and gun skins in an FPS.

[@ohsnap80s23]

Fkn genius bro straight up. Thanks homie

[@ChuklzGaming]

Youre always super helpful, hopefully someday i can get into some coaching too

[@ca3772]

this makes so much sense! I cannot tell you how many times ive tried to hit the ball with the tail of my car using octane and I thought I was just really bad but maybe I not and I should start using fennec, but I dont have fennec so I guess ill stick with octane for now

[@OGabrielFaria]

I switched to octane recently and It has been good for me because octane shows immediately which direction I am going to. Probably Fennec is better for the hitbox part, but for a 720p player Octane is a little better.

[@k3yr0w.92]

“Luke, what car should I use?” “The Scarab”

[@socks2423]

I switched to fennec bc trying to learn wave dashes with the octanes suspension was annoying me. The fen just has such a clear bottom to the car. IG that's the point is that it fits the hitbox better but that was the specific reason I swapped.

[@BRNardy]

I would love to watch a pro match in which the Fennec hitbox was secretly changed from Octane to Dominus, and see how big of a difference would they notice

[@odog1202]

I’ve been switching my settings almost every day for like a week, and I have been noticing that I’ve gotten better despite what I thought

[@DjangoGroen]

I knew it fits better for a long time. But now I’m higher ranked I notice the difference more. I just don’t know if it’s placebo or not. But I switched to the fennec anyway

[@TheNefariousFox]

I LUV my Fennec!!!! Swapped for the gimmick, and just never went back to the Octane.

[@Jomama7272]

The hitboxes certainly don't act like boxes while dribbling. I'm curious about how Psy made that work. Also, I swap between the Octane, Fennec, Jager and Diestro all the time. I'd have some insight if I didn't whiff so damn much.

[@loren4674]

octane: free fennec: not free

[@Jackheartskateboards]

I just want to see one person in this community reference (in any way) the fact that the best match, without argument, in regards to the octane hit box and it’s visual representation is the RoadHog/RoadHogXL and I’d like to see some kind of rationale as to why that car isn’t used when these factors are undeniably the most Important when it comes to competitive play.

[@JP-st9hn]

But the dingo fits better than both? Anyone think the Dingo will ever reach pro play? I actually really enjoy using it… I just feel a little slower.

[@TheDarkbluerock]

I'm a Dominus main, but like to play with the Dingo every now and then. It feels like a cross between Fennec and Dominus.

[@adhem9751]

Visual effect is very important, I find Fennec more acurate on that than the Octane,is. Eventho I have 1.3k hour on Octane, I think I prefer Fennec now

[@1tapputrdutr]

i used to use the fennec then recently switched to octane and have felt better with the octane ever since it doesn’t make sense since most of my learning was on the fennec

[@IgnMurkshot]

I just got the fennec and for me is better in a way that it feels more easy to hit balls, sin is more squred shaped, is looks better nad makes me feel that i hit the ball better, the same happens with the dominus, the flips look more consistent

[@soldiersgr996]

I actually have been swapping between Dominus and October since I first started playing, I'm good with both cars and I'm starting to shy away a bit from the Dominus because I'm doing more air play which I find more difficult with the Dominus

[@seansnyder6421]

Switched to fennec and made it to GC. Not saying it's cuz the fennec but I'm saying it's cuz the fennec.

[@AstAstra]

What is your decal? It is sick

[@zOriginYT]

I just got ssl for the first time with octane. Yeah im good lol

[@paulhorton7792]

Yoooo! I just saw my post in the vid! Can't believe I'm actually in a vid!

[@Aaron-is9xo]

I played with octane from when I started I swapped to fennec and massive difference in my performance kinda funny but I just feel so more confident with it.

[@_Eden.]

I feel more consistent with the octane but I think it’s because I’ve put most of my time in the game using octane

[@gzsnotcool]

quick question, why do ppl not use the merc hitbox? isn't it a taller hitbox than octane?

[@xSTONYTARKx]

Because fortnite is a goose with tall buildings and it never stops to amaze fries in a freezer that have been playing tennis since their mom was asian.

[@Dclerkin17]

@@xSTONYTARKxWhat the fuck did I just read?

[@Pslamist]

Flakes uses it!... But he can also just randomize his preset and still wreck people, so take it with a grain of salt.

[@enyraries]

At that height it also becomes much more difficult to get a good "scoop". When you drive into the ball with a dominus the ball with go up more than forward, fennec/octane is balanced up and forward, merc hits it too far forward. Plus it's width and length are just bad

[@RP1RL]

I use my fennec/ octane with this preset : default car without decal Anodized and purple/the most red color possible with cristiano Do you like it ?

[@Pslamist]

Stocktane

[@RP1RL]

@@Pslamist lol

[@toomuchdogg9180]

Any else been rocking with the VW? I have been using it this whole season and it feels like the Fennec but feels a little faster

[@246bro9]

i actually think that the octane and dominus ate better than the fennec. bc with the octane and dominus u can hit more powerful shots flicks, turn faster, and u feel faster. u can also block flicks more easily with the dominus, and hit balls in the air much more quickly cuz of the longer hitbox

[@OfficialNinpo]

Same hitbox. It just how you feel with the car cuz I switch back and forth depending how I feel if I feel bad with the fennec I go to octane and play better and the same but octane to fennec it’s just mentality but they are the same

[@froqwo4851]

Hybrid hitbox is the best

[@caritdemo6457]

But I'm not allowed to spend money on free games like Rocket League.... What should i do?

[@shkr_rl]

he said switching between the fennec and octane *every couple weeks* is a good idea, i switch between them a couple times a day sometimes, could that be having a negative effect on my gameplay? i just switch whenever i lose or feel "heavy"

[@stinkyjutsu]

Considering the octane, fennec, and scarab have the exact same hit box I don't think it would matter much.

[@_P3NGU1N_]

Why don’t people use other octane hit box cars? Like… surely SOMETHING else feels just as good as the octane besides the fennec 😂

[@-solitude.]

I don't know why but I can't play well in Octane anymore, I just naturally switched to Fennec because of his "strength"

[@gabe11gamer411]

man it should be called "the fennec hitbox"