Sport Bike Body Position For The Street

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@MotoJitsu
@MotoJitsu Жыл бұрын
jp43training.com/body-position-moto-gp-comparison-just-isnt-realistic/
@davidbrayshaw3529
@davidbrayshaw3529 Жыл бұрын
Thanks. That should be compulsory reading for every new rider (and some old ones, too!)
@snowblind1985
@snowblind1985 Жыл бұрын
Spine parallel to the bike , arms relaxed, and counter steer to lean the bike. So the body need not do anything extreme to upset the front end. Also motogp body positions are a matter of extreme speeds (more speed, more lean required for a tighter turn) on a machine designed to do that with tyres to support and a maintained track (no oil, debris etc) where it's safe and every pro rider knows the basic safety and etiquette. So it would stand to reason that public roads are not the place to execute anything extreme because the conditions of a race track and race machine are not applicable.
@MotoTweak
@MotoTweak Жыл бұрын
Yep my grandpa and I were just talking about those guys body position. It’s more old school. You have to admit the elbows down does look really cool though
@lozevans7057
@lozevans7057 Жыл бұрын
So pleased I saw this. I've seen so many videos saying you don't need to lean off the bike at all, just stay central and push your arse against the back of the seat hump etc.... After I practiced trail braking and counter steering "upright" I hated it! Felt like the bike was going to run wide. So I changed my body position to hanging right off, and as has been said on here. I felt disconnected. So I went to moving my arse 3 inches or so and lowering my head and it was an honest to god revelation combined with trail braking and counter steering. I feel safer, more stable, more in control and faster. And to me thats all that counts 🙂
@Adrenalean767
@Adrenalean767 Жыл бұрын
U don't need to lean off the bike at all.
@lozevans7057
@lozevans7057 Жыл бұрын
@@Adrenalean767 Like I said "I" feel safer ;-)
@WDXash
@WDXash Жыл бұрын
Absolutely spot on! I’ve been saying the same thing for yonks. I’m a track day instructor, for road riding there is no benefit to hanging off, it’s exactly as you say. Glad you have highlighted this, I just hope riders take note.
@RiderInRed
@RiderInRed 3 ай бұрын
Not only that but there’s a pretty big disadvantage to hanging off on the streets: if there’s a pothole, dead animal, whatever and you need to swerve, that’s gonna be marginally more difficult while you’re off on the side of your bike
@donermitalles4288
@donermitalles4288 2 ай бұрын
I get that it doesnt have a real advantage but isnt it kind of dangerous to lean so much without going more inside? And i dont get how this giy was like world champion because isnt it a fact that you can go corners faster by leaning yourself more??? Please explain im confused
@tkschrome487
@tkschrome487 Ай бұрын
@@donermitalles4288I’m gonna guess that he isn’t actually faster in the corners, but he is on a mid weight bike, and that body position may play a big role in coming out of the turns as fast as possible. Just my thoughts
@Andre-py9ry
@Andre-py9ry Жыл бұрын
I hope you will read this Greg. After you posted this video I couldnt wait to give it a try. I just returned; I did over 100 miles, I did not wanted to stop. I was passing curves with such a smoothenes and higher speed and felt safer than before. My chicken strips have 1 finger left which is an awesome safety buffer. Like you said I have more feedback and feel more connected to the bike. I enjoy riding but I want to come back to my daughter in one piece. Thank God Im living in a country which is motorcycle heaven. Furthermore I can see obstacles and slow vehicle much faster especially now when it is time of grape harvest and there can be tractors right after exiting right blind corner. Thank you Greg! 👍
@TheQuanzy
@TheQuanzy 13 күн бұрын
That is perfect street riding. Total control, no showing off and a pleasure to watch. I've been riding 15 years and i get mocked every time for not 'hanging off the bike' being told i'm too stiff and i need to move around a lot more. Needless to say i've never had a crash or fall whilst the others trying to hang off the bike have slide numerous times. It's all about subtle control in which you have demonstrated in this video. Great riding!
@MotoJitsu
@MotoJitsu 13 күн бұрын
Thanks! the more I learn and ride, the more I realize body position is only for when you're pushing really fast on the bike...if you just drop 5%, you won't need any body movement. I ride my GS Adventure now perfectly fine and quickly w/out any body movement at all. instagram.com/motojitsuclub/
@iqjobs2766
@iqjobs2766 Жыл бұрын
I do agree with you for the pace on this video but that's more like fast cruising pace than sport riding...at Higher speeds I really believe that to be on a much extreme "out of the bike body position" is must faster and safer. In the end is just physics..
@shavy9655
@shavy9655 7 ай бұрын
don't get fooled. These guys ride faster than 90 percent on the streets. They don't push on the straights. Corner speed seems pretty fast. I also wouldn't recommend anyone to ride significantly faster than they did on PUBLIC roads.
@TheQuanzy
@TheQuanzy 13 күн бұрын
Watch the Japanese do motorbike gymcarter and or Japanese Police motorbike tests.
@monkmoto1887
@monkmoto1887 Жыл бұрын
Motorcycle riding is a sport that’s constantly evolving. No one’s found the perfect technique heck look at twist of the wrist, the way they taught to load up the rear tire on those old compounds it’s way different than how it’s taught now
@HemiBurns
@HemiBurns Жыл бұрын
I get off and lean more "naturally" when I am going faster and the corner is sharper, otherwise I do what you do. No need to get off excessively in a soft corner. Also, these pro riders are in crazy physical condition to enable them do what they do.
@overthoughtandunderstated
@overthoughtandunderstated Жыл бұрын
This is the exact technique that I discovered feels most natural and efficient for me. I'm also on a Ninja 400, so "trying" to drag knee is just unnecessarily pulling that lightass bike down into a lowside
@jamessidneybaguio728
@jamessidneybaguio728 Жыл бұрын
Another great video! Now I know the correct body positioning, and what "over doing" it looks like. There are simply a lot of "bad examples" that I thought was the correct way. Good thing there are concerned people teaching the right way to do it. ❤😊
@scottwitt7597
@scottwitt7597 Жыл бұрын
This ones got me messed up. I watch a lot of your videos and really value your opinion due to your experience. You have made videos before regarding body position, both upper and lower, that really helped me get faster on the track. Body, head, bike. Half cheek off, extend leg, head by mirror, will all decrease lean angle with higher speed. This video is the complete opposite of what everybody teaches for speed, including YCRS.
@aluisious
@aluisious Жыл бұрын
You should not be going so fast on the street that you need to worry about reducing the lean angle of your bike. If you ride that fast, you WILL eat shit sooner or later, and you may not survive it. The street does not have controlled traffic going one way, it's not swept, it doesn't have corner workers, it doesn't have open sight lines, it doesn't have run off zones, it has animals, debris, trees down around blind corners...track riding is for the track.
@scottwitt7597
@scottwitt7597 Жыл бұрын
@aluisious I specifically said regarding speed on the track. He's specifically referencing body position used in top AMA racers in the video, so the comparison is completely valid. Regardless, even on the street, less lean is always less risk. Sitting straight up on a bike, even at "street" speeds, is still increasing lean angle, which subsequently increases risk in multiple ways.
@Bugside
@Bugside Жыл бұрын
I've been moving at least the upper body and head inside since I started riding big bikes, and now if I try to make a sharp corner upright I feeling uneasy, since it requires way more lean than I'm used to
@coppo675
@coppo675 8 ай бұрын
love your videos, learning so much for correct riding + focusing on my slow speed skills .. not worrying about 'how much tyre i can rub' and 'hanging off the bike".... on a side note, dude, how clean is your garage floor, like a bike operating theater, love it !! those integrated indicators, wow, extra luxe
@JagMoto636
@JagMoto636 Жыл бұрын
Been practicing body positioning and it definitely felt like I was moving around way too much and was not comfortable for me
@gtrs4ever
@gtrs4ever Жыл бұрын
I lean a little forward and a little towards to the turn to get a little more weight to the front tire.
@maghesencadervaloo331
@maghesencadervaloo331 2 ай бұрын
Me too, I was wondering about that
@brendonarendse9132
@brendonarendse9132 Жыл бұрын
Even Alex Rinse is pretty much straight up, not a lot of lean angle, and his corner speed is one of the best. So I totally agree with you on the body position.
@gary9768
@gary9768 8 ай бұрын
I'm confused can someone please explain, I thought leaning your head off and keeping the bike as upright as possible was the best way to turn?? letting the bikes suspension work.. What's said here goes against what's said in Twist of the Wrist..??
@alpineacres8042
@alpineacres8042 4 ай бұрын
It's the best way to get around a race track quickly, because, as you said, it reduces lean angle, that's a hard barrier to more speed; if you've got the bike at 50 degrees, you simply can't turn any faster without washing out the tire. If you lean off to the inside, that 50 degrees might become 45, so now you can go faster, take the bike back to 50 degrees with you hanging off, you'll get around the corner more quickly. Thing is, this applies basically "never" on the street unless you're absolutely blasting a twisty road. At anything even near the speed limit, you can do whatever you want in the corners, the bike/tires will hold on if you have dry/clean pavement. It's when things get more extreme that you have to really start to think about this; when you're running out of lean angle, hanging off the bike gives you a few degrees back.
@gary9768
@gary9768 4 ай бұрын
@alpineacres8042 thanks for the detailed reply man
@amisfitpuivk
@amisfitpuivk 4 ай бұрын
@@gary9768 Yeah track riding is pushing the bike to the limit, but on the street at normal speeds you're not at the limit so there's no need to hang off the bike to make it more upright. Leaning off hard makes everything else hard to control and is not worth a couple degrees of the bike leaning back up. When the corner is _designed_ for racing at high speeds it's a different story. Another very helpful thing to remember is Radius=MPH. Going wide? let off the throttle and add a little brake. Turning too sharp? give it a bit more gas to widen. The lean angle kinda takes care of itself if you do those two things.
@jakeR1954rr
@jakeR1954rr Жыл бұрын
You just described exactly how I ride the twisties, thanks lol I feel affirmed. I think I move my head more than you did in that video, though. Also, I never freaking noticed that about Gagne. In my defense I usually watch motogp, I find it boring that Gagne just dominates everything all the time. I want to love it, I could, but currently I can't. But you're right, his positioning is way more relaxed. Neat.
@wobblysauce
@wobblysauce Жыл бұрын
Bingo, little bit goes a long way
@Edward55221
@Edward55221 Ай бұрын
I'm glad I watched this video, I saw a video of yours from 6 years ago on how to get a knee down and went for a ride to Julian today and it's way to hard on the body to be hanging off the bike in the twistys.
@MotoJitsu
@MotoJitsu Ай бұрын
depends on how you're doing it...most people move too much or at the wrong time or hanging off for no reason because the speed doesn't need it in the first place. instagram.com/motojitsuclub/
@sivanyamurayama5523
@sivanyamurayama5523 Жыл бұрын
that bike looks nice, the intergrated turn signals i mean, instead of sticking out separately waiting to break if the bike falls down 😄 I really learn a lot from Motojitsu videos 👍
@sajads.h9964
@sajads.h9964 Жыл бұрын
Hey man thank for these great tutorials I’m a rookie and riding a 250cc bike and by watching your videos my riding skills is improving everyday. I have a question regarding entry speed for each corners and want to know how much speed is good enough not to fall the bike or get out of turn ? Cheers mate! ❤
@pumassg
@pumassg Жыл бұрын
Nice video! Riders should just do what’s best for them and within the comfort zone. I tend to hang off quite a bit to limit lean angle and it “feels” good to me. My coach is significantly faster than me and doesn’t touch knee at all. It’s all about comfort. I will say though, shifting weight to inside is scientifically better for the sake of reducing lean, increasing contact patch and offering more potential for drive. And Jonny is very capable of hanging off or doing a “hook turn”, he has plenty of photos with his elbow nearly down. That photo might be more of an outlier than the norm. Caveat; I’m talking about track riding. I haven’t been on the street in some years. Nonetheless, love your channel and keep at it.
@chrisball3787
@chrisball3787 Жыл бұрын
I think it's important to remember that a riders weight will determine how much the rider has to lean over to get the bike to turn properly. Heavy guy don't have to move much to displace the cog but most motogp guys weigh 120lbs they have to put all their weight to one side 😊
@MotoJitsu
@MotoJitsu Жыл бұрын
Not relevant at all
@zwilethunyathi6681
@zwilethunyathi6681 Ай бұрын
Surely this guy has a valid point..please learn to listen to other people's opinions 😂😂😂... Weight does have an effect in offsetting the center of gravity. Greg you has good videos but your attitude sucks.
@ChronicalsofAl
@ChronicalsofAl Жыл бұрын
Finally! With current sport bikes people move way too much.
@alanwrigley8156
@alanwrigley8156 Жыл бұрын
Maybe we should be looking at road racers for road body position tips such as TT racers and Irish road racers, they seem to be arse off and head up for most corners,
@shavy9655
@shavy9655 7 ай бұрын
well, i don't think arse off is anything good at the street because in a moment of danger you need to be able to make a quick steerin to the oposite direction while at the tt in that case they are dead anyways, these guys don't dodge cars, animals, rocks or sth. they just run through at those speeds.
@andibell9703
@andibell9703 Жыл бұрын
No need for knee down, out at all.
@ugrin72
@ugrin72 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your videos and for getting a sport bike and for all. You thought me to think what I’m doing when riding.
@RumpledStiltskin-uz1uh
@RumpledStiltskin-uz1uh Жыл бұрын
This is how I ride but I’m not really trying to go super fast. I just let my inside leg move in from gravity. With good tires I feel solid hitting corners at a fun pace.
@gaged8744
@gaged8744 18 күн бұрын
I tend to do this too, but everyone tells me im not hanging off enough.... Good to know that theres different variations. Super validating.
@MotoJitsu
@MotoJitsu 18 күн бұрын
Thanks
@elgincain2749
@elgincain2749 Жыл бұрын
Finally someone posted vid how to ride, 💯 man guys on the dragon need to watch this
@41teeth
@41teeth Жыл бұрын
Great vid. I also feel too disconnected hanging off too much, and the fatigue kills the joy of riding.
@gspeed2963
@gspeed2963 Жыл бұрын
This is pretty much what we were talking about ❤
@pomey13
@pomey13 Жыл бұрын
I felt this yesterday on my r3, fairly new to riding so doing what i felt like was really good body position through corners and then some guy on his gsx750 just blows passed me casually like he's on a Sunday drive, hardly moving at all through the corners.
@aluisious
@aluisious Жыл бұрын
As a new rider you don't really have to do anything related to body position. Just concentrate on your vision, steering, and smooth control use. The limit to needing to worry about body position is much higher than you're ever going to ride safely and smoothly right now.
@hyedefinition1080
@hyedefinition1080 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video...your previous videos helped me relax and stop trying to move as much. I pretty much move like this on the bike out of necessity; my motorcycle jeans aren't flexible and my bike (Z900RS cafe) sits upright, so it is difficult to move around a lot. I reviewed my insta360 footage and noticed I wasn't moving as much; tried moving more and it felt a lot more uncomfortable and with diminished returns.
@Zzz-ghostyyy
@Zzz-ghostyyy 6 ай бұрын
Atp I think it’s a matter of what u like. As long as ur fundamentals are solid and your style is efficient and comfortable to u then it’s just what you like. I prefer hanging off I feel safer doing it like that, some people probably prefer staying centerline and that’s alright. I think if ur searching for speed rather than looks then it won’t matter. That’s what makes motorcycle racing so fun to watch. Who is better at their own style.
@Tracer9GTRider8
@Tracer9GTRider8 Жыл бұрын
I have done a couple of "track days" at Pittsburgh International Raceway. Lee Parks Total Control has the contract for PA (side note: msf courses, including the advanced rider course at Pitt Raceway or the Poconos, are free to PA residents). They teach the Total Control technique of course, and I have always felt that it is more of a racing technique than a street riding technique. I have taken some things from the course to apply to street riding, but it is very challenging and very tiring to do this technique through consecutive tight twisties with advisory speeds of 20-35 mph. Incidentally, I ride with some older guys who are super fast and super smooth through the tight twisties and they hardly move at all - its crazy to see how fast they are and how still they seem to be sitting!
@MotoJitsu
@MotoJitsu Жыл бұрын
I taught Lee's courses for 8 years...it all applies to the street, just the degree of application is different.
@Tracer9GTRider8
@Tracer9GTRider8 Жыл бұрын
@@MotoJitsu I know you did and that's why I mentioned it, and I agree with you I think I just wasn't able to express it properly. For example, they teach the head below the handle bars, knee almost straight out with heel up on the footpeg plate, etc. My apologies for not being more clear - and thank you for all the videos and instruction!
@MotoJitsu
@MotoJitsu Жыл бұрын
No they don't...that may be your perception of the course but that's not what's taught.
@Tracer9GTRider8
@Tracer9GTRider8 Жыл бұрын
@@MotoJitsu Greg, I promise you I'm not making that up and it's definitely not my perception. We did a drill in the paddock area we're we're on the bike and other riders in the group support the bike while the instructor walks you through the technique and body positioning. Nearly everyone in my group (group 3) was told they weren't getting their head down far enough. My eyes were below the mirror and they told me "lower". First year I had an instructor named Luis and second year it was Jeremy. Same for both of them. They'd say it after they followed me on the track too. Lee was there both years too, on his super moto Husky...lapping everyone 🤣
@MotoJitsu
@MotoJitsu Жыл бұрын
I know..I used to teach it. That drill is to do one thing...and what you do in that drill isn't the same while on the bike during the drills, which also isn't the same of what you do on track.
@DucatiDadATX
@DucatiDadATX 8 ай бұрын
Excellent! Keep it coming! Great info! If you come to Austin for MotoGP let me know. Cheers!
@kleinbottled79
@kleinbottled79 Жыл бұрын
I like to lean enough that the steering becomes perfectly neutral. This is a different amount on every bike, but usually not too far at all.
@aluisious
@aluisious Жыл бұрын
That doesn't mean anything. I guarantee you that if you tape a pencil to your bars or clamp and make a video of it, they are pointing to the inside of the turn when you are turning and the bike is leaned, because otherwise it would keep leaning until it fell over. it only feels "neutral" to you because you moved your body to a different position.
@kleinbottled79
@kleinbottled79 Жыл бұрын
@@aluisious Well, yeah, the bar turns sure, probably about the same amount on basically any bike. But sometimes it takes pressure one way or the other to hold the bars at the correct angle to maintain a given turn radius. Usually, when a bike isn't neutral handling, it needs forward pressure against the inside bar to hold a turn. Much more rarely you might come across a bike which feels like it 'falls' into the corner and you need to steer in to 'catch' it. The second part I can only fully agree with. Yes, I can make an un-neutral bike 'feel' neutral by shifting the joint CG of me and bike. I don't have to hold the bike into the turn at the bars if my body weight is already doing it. Usually doesn't take much. Although my brother had a zxr1200 that ya had to hang pretty far off of if ya didn't want to be pushing that inside bar.
@JDinky652
@JDinky652 Жыл бұрын
Super useful and makes a lot of sense. Thanks.
@SFV4
@SFV4 Жыл бұрын
At 3:02: those following WSBK know that there are times when Jonathan Rea’s outside foot is not even on the footpeg at all. He uses his outside leg as a hook not to fall off his bike. Just watch the Portimão round (29.9 - 1.10.2023) and you will see that his outside foot often skids and looses contact with the peg.
@jaqenhghar4602
@jaqenhghar4602 7 ай бұрын
Great video. It highlights how much more practice I need in riding a sport bike. Thanks for sharing.
@MotoJitsu
@MotoJitsu 7 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@I3ladefist
@I3ladefist Жыл бұрын
We got comments back available! Good to see you Fast Eddie!
@glennmiller1330
@glennmiller1330 Жыл бұрын
Thank you again for your educational video. I do have a tip for all riders: stick electrical tape over the microphone of your camera, you will hear the engine but not the wind noise.
@veiledallegory
@veiledallegory Жыл бұрын
Greg, I was recently at the Dragon riding my Wing and was keeping up with a couple sport bikes and a super Moto. I noticed their line selections caused them to have to lean a lot more than I was. I was able to keep my bike a lot more upright because of my line (I did not cross the yellow line). I made the same observation about my body positioning that you explained in this video.
@Justkinet
@Justkinet Жыл бұрын
Tks for this amazing video... Will try this way now... 👍 👌
@Wintersdark
@Wintersdark 7 ай бұрын
I've found - for me and my very different body type - I'm most comfortable keeping my butt stationary side to side on the seat, but I'll rotate my hips and shoulders a bit and move my upper body. I'm also riding an mt10, so (by sport bike standards) I'm quite upright. Head and shoulders move in, but not a whole lot, at my zestiest no further than the mirrors off center line relative to the bike. And the mt10 mirrors arent super wide. Critical for me, is I'm not pushing far forward, so im not "kissing the mirror" so leverage has a very significant impact - im 6'4" and 300lbs. There's real wind pressure on me because mt10, but i enjoy that. As a big dude, its not tiring. I can have have done the hanging off the bike thing, but i dont like being so disconnected from it, and I've got a lot of mass to move so quick transitions are exhausting.
@MotoJitsu
@MotoJitsu 7 ай бұрын
for slower speeds, probably don't have to move at all
@dr.brianjudedelimaphd743
@dr.brianjudedelimaphd743 Жыл бұрын
This is one of your best vids and explanations …
@r03ky25
@r03ky25 Жыл бұрын
your previous video of leaning on the corner is totally opposite of this video, it was on BMW 1000rr, which one is correct??
@patrickmba7638
@patrickmba7638 Жыл бұрын
Not sure which S1k vid u're referring to but I think the major thing diff from previous body position videos is that you don't have too hang off so much. Especially for street riding. You can if you want to but he's saying it might be less efficient and more energy demanding when you use full body position or touch knee in corners when riding at a fast pace.
@ericfisher9039
@ericfisher9039 8 ай бұрын
We get to watch Motojitsu grow is his understanding and choices. Without seeing the other video, I'd say both hold relevant and practical information we can apply, and this video is Motojitsu's most recent revelation and decision regarding how to ride sportbikes efficiently and on public roads.
@pitchforkpeasant6219
@pitchforkpeasant6219 7 ай бұрын
Depends on the speed. He actually said that on his other video.
@evvok7408
@evvok7408 4 ай бұрын
Speed is the factor. Slow-counterbalance, higher speed-lean into the curve.
@phuongshane.tran1990
@phuongshane.tran1990 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate you always sharing knowledge that we supposed to pay money to learn!
@CELL7GAMING
@CELL7GAMING 8 ай бұрын
@motojitsu General safety question, how do you stop a death wobble?
@MotoJitsu
@MotoJitsu 8 ай бұрын
roll off gas, give the bike an input to the bars to make it lean
@jorgeserrano246
@jorgeserrano246 Жыл бұрын
Thank you MotoJitsu i needed to watch this, im going to give it a solid try tomorrow. i do feel disconnected and unstable. 👍
@MotoEnLoCo
@MotoEnLoCo Жыл бұрын
Great vid. I might have to consider moving back to southern california for year round canyon riding :)
@patv6928
@patv6928 Жыл бұрын
Enlightenment is something not for everyone. People loose the essence of a enjoyable ride with the pressure of knee dragging. excellent video and article. Hopefully will open the eyes of some.
@jbreviewer65
@jbreviewer65 Жыл бұрын
100% what @MrDeepseadweller said bellow but I would add that leaning your head and shoulders slightly and progressively to the inside displaces considerably more weight, more effectively than shifting your butt and knee. You don't need to "Put your head below the bars".
@smithgroove945
@smithgroove945 Жыл бұрын
I feel more in control when i am over the bike. Yep horse tried to throw me yesterday. Unintentional wheelie around a slow turn. I was over the bike so was able to recover.
@ΖΕΤΑΕΜΜΑΝΟΥΗΛΙΔΟΥ
@ΖΕΤΑΕΜΜΑΝΟΥΗΛΙΔΟΥ Жыл бұрын
Your pace in this video is it within the speed limit?
@Christian-px3zt
@Christian-px3zt 7 ай бұрын
I actually feel much more connected to my sport bike when I change my body position depending on the situation. I can only have a relaxed upper body when I move a little to the side in corners because then my inner leg takes automatically most of the weigth being supported by the tank. If I ride in the alps thats very importent since there are a lot of forces and i need my arms to be relaxed. when i do tighter corners i at some point need to hang off a little otherwise i don't have any safty buffer. So i don't think hanging off is a bad thing for sport bike riding on the street if u use it to feel more confortable with your bike.
@MotoJitsu
@MotoJitsu 7 ай бұрын
as of today, I've been practicing and learning a lot about body position and I've been doing a lot of things very inefficient/not really effective...it's a journey but I can say for sure, most people hang off too much and at the wrong time for wrong reasons.
@kornfred9087
@kornfred9087 Жыл бұрын
I think body position on the street should be whatever the rider is comfortable with on his bike. As long as you are going in a pace that is within your skill level and not completly bonkers i don't care if you are trying to look cool with your knee down, the problem are the morons that think you need to go 150mph on the street to look like rossi.
@antonelloc4864
@antonelloc4864 6 ай бұрын
Hi Greg and thanks for the amazing work you do! I started riding recently and I have been practicing low-speed turns on my sportbike. My question is: I noticed that at low-speed maneuvers the butt is hanging off in the opposite direction in which I am going, in order to counter-balance the bike and prevent if from falling while leaning, so: I look left, lean left, buttcheck a little right. In this video however it looks like the whole body is committed to one direction and also the buttcheck is going left when leaning left. Could you/someone help me on this? Thanks!
@alpineacres8042
@alpineacres8042 4 ай бұрын
Most people counterlean at slow speeds (which sounds like what you're describing). People also counterlean on something like a dirt bike or a sumo even at higher speeds. The problem with counterlean is that is pushes more lean angle into the bike, the same turn at the same speed, counterlean you might have 40 degrees, centered 35 degrees, and hanging off the inside 30 degrees. So, at higher and higher speeds (and tighter corners), leaning in starts to be more important. At any reasonable road pace, you can really do whatever you want. Center, lean in or out. It's only when things get more extreme, track riding, for example, where leaning the "right" way becomes more important. One thing worth noting though, the more you lean in (spider money off the bike to the inside) the less lean angle, which can be valuable on the street in a low traction situation (rain, sand in the road, etc). My general take is similar to what's presented above, lean in a "reasonable" amount on the street, move your butt over a cheek and make sure your body follows (don't have your butt off to the left and your body leaning right; that's "crossed up" and isn't doing anything other than looking bad and reducing your control of the bike).
@leadsolo2751
@leadsolo2751 Жыл бұрын
Great Stuff ... as Always !! 🙌🏽✌🏽
@jarlevikshaland2015
@jarlevikshaland2015 Жыл бұрын
This makes no sense. 1.) Jonathan Rea hangs of his bike like everybody else, including touching with the elbow. The picture shown in this video is probably after the bike is straight coming out of a corner (most liely sliding the back to help turn in) I just had to check the race at Aragon a couple of days ago to make sure. 2.) Moving your butt makes no sense on the road at all, and it does not transfer any meaningful weight - its a preperation for moving your body over. If you need to transfer weight simply relax your inside elbow, this automatically moves the body slightly into the corner and helps stabilise it and you body will follow your eyes to were you are going. TEST IT: have a friend sit on his bike, hold it by the handlebars, let him move his butt. Feel anything? Now do the same just moving your head out towards the mirrors - on the GSXR just outside the screen - keep the body straight and relaxed just let it follow the head naturally. Feel the difference ? Thats why they move the body. On track you have to move the butt because your are hanging of - but only when you start getting up to a good pace. Moving the body is far more important. If you are scraping your knees or hanging of the bike on the road you are either going way to fast and suicidal (the speeds used in these videos are not close) or posing.
@nickrider5220
@nickrider5220 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the J.R. photo is of him trying to straightline a chicane, it's at an Italian circuit, but I can't remember which one. JR moves his body a fair bit if he needs to 👍
@rp6523
@rp6523 5 ай бұрын
This is an interesting idea. I personally find it easier to leave my lower body in the middle of the bike and lean my upper body off the bike when i want to be smooth and efficient
@MotoJitsu
@MotoJitsu 5 ай бұрын
whatever works at your pace, just know when the pace goes up, things change instagram.com/motojitsuclub/
@TriAngles3D
@TriAngles3D Жыл бұрын
The idea is simple: get through the corner fastest with the least amount of effort and lean angle... Point your bellybutton in the corner direction. That will set your hips in the correct position. The rest of your body will follow. Knee down, elbow down, chin down and upload to insta...getting real tedious. Next is face down. Find that line and ride.
@scott547
@scott547 Жыл бұрын
Good stuff man! Especially for street riding! 🤙🏼
@CrudBucket
@CrudBucket Жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t the amount of movement needed also depend on rider weight. A very light rider would need to move inside more than a heavier rider for the same speed?
@northernsummer5414
@northernsummer5414 Жыл бұрын
Are you weighting the outside peg to plant the inside rear tyre edge doing this as well or is that of no concern?
@ianjohnson1207
@ianjohnson1207 Жыл бұрын
What bull💩you’d think most of the comments on here are from professional road racers Utter garbage
@rorytv4383
@rorytv4383 Жыл бұрын
when you are turning in this video, are you just using your body weight or are you also pushing the handlebars to stear?
@patrickmba7638
@patrickmba7638 Жыл бұрын
Safe to say he's pushing/ pulling to steer.
@xiaoxu8999
@xiaoxu8999 Жыл бұрын
Is it Paroma mountain?
@hypedad
@hypedad Жыл бұрын
I see you’ve turned the comments back on. Balance my friend you got this ❤
@mcdonaldslover52
@mcdonaldslover52 Жыл бұрын
this biggest thing people forget to mention is road/track quality. If you have 2 tracks which are identical in shape and length, except 1 of them is track quality asphalt and the other is road quality with potholes, loose gravel and dirt, the way you ride and your body position is going to drastically differ. On the road you need to keep the bike as upright as possible (if you're maximizing safety of course). The less contact patch, the more likely it will slip at the tiniest bit of dirt. Also, the more upright your bike the better your suspension will work when you hit a pothole or small divet in the road. Every corner of a track is (almost) the same on the 10th lap as it is on the 50th, but on a public road the same corner can be very different every hour.
@raymadani270
@raymadani270 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing the outcome with us.
@vijayam1
@vijayam1 Жыл бұрын
I guess as Andy Ibbott from CSS said, the distance from the tank to the wedding tackle is just your fist distance away.
@Master-bp8pd
@Master-bp8pd Жыл бұрын
Changing you recommendations over time back and forth is honest, but frustrating
@tjey379
@tjey379 Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@rzrxn16
@rzrxn16 3 ай бұрын
Typically when I’m experimenting with body positioning, it’s mainly to see the effect of weight transfer on the suspension/tire grip and partly for fun 😁 because if Its not fun, then whats the point of riding. As an amateur, I’m mainly focused on vision and line selection to keep me safe and stay efficient.
@MotoJitsu
@MotoJitsu 3 ай бұрын
:) instagram.com/motojitsuclub/
@alien1366
@alien1366 Жыл бұрын
It looks like you were riding gentle bends with the odd curve. Not really a road requiring hanging off unless you were 39mph faster. When you move your butt to the inside pre turn your shoulders are still central to the bars and your body isnt inline with the bike frame anymore causing imbalance. When you look where you want to go in bends it automatically positions your upper body in the right direction. Using the heel to the outside doesn't matter unless you are using pressure to help steer the bike. I'm not getting into the hanging off part. Dont forget fun when you ride. All work and no play.....
@copperaudio9664
@copperaudio9664 5 ай бұрын
Good stuff - thanks. Almost all observatory roads are great. I used to ride up to Lick Observatory twice a week.
@heiniklausen2718
@heiniklausen2718 2 ай бұрын
its just the riding style leaning, instead of hanging off. In german diving schools you learn primarly about pushing and leaning on a bike, and thats basically what you do.
@MotoJitsu
@MotoJitsu 2 ай бұрын
this is about body position instagram.com/motojitsuclub/
@mr.brzi9567
@mr.brzi9567 Жыл бұрын
How much do you need to move one the naked bike? I have mt07 2021 and I drag knee but I fell like I dont connect with bike...
@JAMESWUERTELE
@JAMESWUERTELE 9 ай бұрын
I know that feeling. I had a Hypermotard, never could get comfortable on that bike. Went back to Honda and I am back to feeling one with the bike. Sucks that Ducati trade cost me some cash.
@bloodyhell451
@bloodyhell451 Жыл бұрын
I agree with everything you say but if I was going to be a critical pain in the arse I would say you need to get more radical with your road positioning. Get further out left for a right hand bend and vice-versa. For any given corner you can go faster and it also increases your vision round the bend. Have fun.
@sqlb3rn
@sqlb3rn Жыл бұрын
Riders move their head because it's a giant counterweight and more effective than the lower body. This is explained and demonstrated in Champ School
@Murad.bn2
@Murad.bn2 Жыл бұрын
I have a question for those who know to lean in turns: did anyone tried to measure lean angle vs speed, and any info on that ? (talking about sport & naked bikes). I saw once kind of comparison table, which shows street & sport bikes can lean to 40-50 degrees, and motoGP guys go to 55 degrees, but would like to know opinions of real people. I am a new rider, with less than 2000 miles experience, plus roads in the city where I live are not lean-friendly (not so many turns, but lots of cars from different directions, have to slow down and watch out all directions).
@presstodelete1165
@presstodelete1165 Жыл бұрын
I can't think of any time more drama improves things in real life, it's just for the movies.
@SongJLikes
@SongJLikes Жыл бұрын
challenges = beneficial drama = detrimental
@chewyfknrocks
@chewyfknrocks Жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@adilghazanfar519
@adilghazanfar519 Жыл бұрын
From what i see is, he will have to lean the bike more than if he leaned his upper body. And if you lean the bike more you are leaving yourself open to risk such as potholes or imperfections which is common on public roads.
@Carlosyabrudy
@Carlosyabrudy Жыл бұрын
What a fantastic video 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
@madmaxximus1234
@madmaxximus1234 Жыл бұрын
Jitsu!!! Looking smooth!!👍🤙
@NobodyWhatsoever
@NobodyWhatsoever Жыл бұрын
With that mustache, Greg's gonna look like "Fast Eddie" means something entirely different lol I've been watching videos like this one, but as a new rider, it gives me a bit too much to think about while developing more basic skills. Still, I'm glad he's been making them, because when I get there, it means I know a good place for rational information. I can't even count the times people have shared links on various platforms, wherein someone is giving pure nonsense about riding a motorcycle.
@dantolen3969
@dantolen3969 11 ай бұрын
Forget all the internet noise. Go ride a lot and get used to the flow of the road. Improve naturally, slowly, at your own pace. Ride your own ride always.
@jerichoatmosfera1986
@jerichoatmosfera1986 4 ай бұрын
what hwy is this at?
@blackapinotime4318
@blackapinotime4318 Жыл бұрын
Where this at?thanks
@bradsworld2446
@bradsworld2446 5 ай бұрын
I have tried to put 4k videos on youtube. Just download from my channel. But when I play them on youtube, they are blurry and poor quality. Do you do anything to some settings somewhere to keep them looking really good. I can't figure out why it is doing it.
@MotoJitsu
@MotoJitsu 5 ай бұрын
when you're trying to download a video from youtube I never had be 4k....don't know why you're downloading a video then trying to upload the same video?
@bradsworld2446
@bradsworld2446 5 ай бұрын
@@MotoJitsu lol. No. I mean: when you MAKE a video and you upload it for your channel, how is it still so clear? Mine are great 4k when i edit them, but after i put them on my channel, the quality sucks.
@MotoJitsu
@MotoJitsu 5 ай бұрын
no idea of your process
@aleokyn5757
@aleokyn5757 Жыл бұрын
ok nice i learn something now just wait for kawasaki release my bike from workshop asap.
@JuicedMoose
@JuicedMoose 6 ай бұрын
I want to see sone knee dragging and mote information on that. Speeding in turns
@arbestcrontisb4248
@arbestcrontisb4248 Жыл бұрын
So you are basically not trying to keep the bike upright, correct? Doesn't this mean you get less grip from the tires since the weight of rhe bike is pushnig more diagonal to the ground? I always thought you were supposed to hang more off the bike to allow the bike to be more upright and consequently have more grip and be safer...am i wrong?
@amisfitpuivk
@amisfitpuivk 4 ай бұрын
You are right in that you lean into the turn to make the bike upright and have more grip. It just doesn't matter on the road because at road speeds your bike isn't going to be tipped over to the edge of the traction zone so there is no need to hang your body off like it's motoGP in order to upright the bike enough to not lowside. They have to do that because they're going ludicrous speeds and their bikes _are_ tipped over to the maximum. All he's saying is there's no need to _drastically_ lean off the bike. A couple degrees of reduced bike lean angle isn't worth putting your body in a weird position where it's hard to control the bike, because you'll have enough traction either way on the street. If you're going 40mph over the limit it's a different story, and you'll probably lowside anyway from dirt on the road or a pothole.
@M0T0G
@M0T0G Жыл бұрын
Great video! Is your mechanic originally from Hungary? :D
@ma3stro681
@ma3stro681 3 ай бұрын
Lean into the corner with your inside shoulder, move your feet as required (as mentioned here), head inside the line and look through the corner. Don’t need to move your butt if you’re not on the race track as your hips will move as you move your feet. And invest in top quality tyres (Pirelli Diablo Rosso IV’s are the best tyres I’ve ever had) and suspension upgrade if required. There is no substitution for practicing ride a smooth, correct line rather than trying to be fastest through the corner with a bad technique …
@MotoJitsu
@MotoJitsu 3 ай бұрын
Take more high level courses in order to learn how to be a better rider is #1 priority, then practice what you were taught :) MotoJitsu.com/courses
@johnsmith-fk7fw
@johnsmith-fk7fw Жыл бұрын
i feel like he makes the thumbnails look like james macavoy from Split... lol 😅
@mikehunt3987
@mikehunt3987 Жыл бұрын
I just rode my buddies Duke 390 on some premium twisties today. That thing carves up corners like a slot car. Lol
@Shini1171
@Shini1171 Жыл бұрын
Keep up awesome vids burv :D
@ericleeSupSayK
@ericleeSupSayK 2 ай бұрын
Is he pushing the handlebar and countersteering as he lean?
@MotoJitsu
@MotoJitsu 2 ай бұрын
counter steering is what causes the bike to lean dude
@ericleeSupSayK
@ericleeSupSayK 2 ай бұрын
@@MotoJitsu Thanks for confirming. I keep getting people tell me you don’t need to push handlebar but when it fact you need to, you body position can only influence the lean angle so much.
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