Springfield Trapdoor Carbine

[@henrysara7716]

Another great piece history shared, thank you.

[@Qigate]

Sir, your humor is outstanding ! And I am certain they all received telegrams about extending their warranties. Keep the great videos coming, and thanks!

[@wsmvolunteers8588]

Thank you. I'm about to record another video series that will include some swords and bayonets with Wyoming connections.

[@noahcount7132]

Interesting artifact with an interesting story. Thanks, Evan.

[@wsmvolunteers8588]

Thanks, Noah.

[@NM-eb5ej]

Evan, do a video on 2 of you favorites from the museum's collection. And of course the trap door was another great example.

[@evangreen9430]

Probably my favorite gun in the collection is the Colt Single Action Army revolver carried by Earl Hayner in the manhunt for Early Durand in 1939. Here's the link to the FF video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rGqZY4ufi9ONnrc I'm also very fond of a battered 1873 Winchester carbine that will be subject of a video in the near future.

[@snappers_antique_firearms]

O i feel your frustration. So many times i wish names or dates would be written down. Then all gets lost to time

[@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244]

I noticed that this one has not got a saddle ring. I have one with a lock with a five-digit serial number we traced to an 1875 year of manufacture. However, it has a five land and grove barrel. The stock also lacks a saddle ring. I have deduced that the one I have was a reassemble after the 1878 calli-in for refurbishing and the lock was used on a rifle that was sold commercially after being retired. So I wonder what you might know about the lack of a saddle ring. Was this left off of the later carbines? (I got it from the widow of a friend who got it from his grandfather (Arkansas)).

[@williamoorejr]

thanks love these shows

[@timkilgore121]

Actually the US Army started using the Allen trapdoor in the 1866 musket conversion!

[@evangreen9430]

Correct. And the availability of these conversion turned the tide at the Wagon Box Fight August 2, 1867. First encounter with breechloaders.

[@larryclark9380]

Is that rifle stamped 45-55? Or are they stamped 45-70 and used a reduced load?

[@jason60chev]

I don’t think that I have ever seen any Trapdoor stamped with a caliber designation. As I understand, the carbine will fire either the 45-70 or the 45-55 cartridge and that it was understood, when the cartridge was developed, that 45-55 was the carbine cartridge. The rifle can also fire the 45-55 cartridge, just as well.

[@ElCrab]

The barrel band is missing the stacking swivel, I wonder if this was a cut down from an infantry pattern?

[@ElCrab]

@@mrcee9831: ahhh, thank you.

[@wsmvolunteers8588]

I think it's an original carbine, but one never knows for sure. The carbines did not have stacking swivels.

[@ElCrab]

@@wsmvolunteers8588: the 1873s did, at least for awhile. I was mistaken, as I did not know they stopped putting a stacking swivel on the carbines. I blame it on my Little Big Horn-centric studies.

[@timkilgore121]

It was deleted with the latter versions.

[@ryanmulvaney7984]

Hey Evan, fantastic content! I’m an amateur collector myself and I have a cutdown trapdoor rifle with togia symbols on the stock. I don’t have any Springfield research service books and wanted to see if you could be able to shed any light to serial number 47,100? Kind regards and Thank you!

[@chris-wm4fl]

Your sn number puts it at year 1875 production. A lot of these rifles were issued to scouts and also taken by enemies after battles may explain the writing. Writing could of been added then or possible later on in life added. Hard to tell.

[@wsmvolunteers8588]

I agree with Chris on the production date. Not much else to say without seeing the rifle in person or pictures.

[@outdoorlife5396]

Where they Rimfire or Centerfire? I was thinking that Centerfire kind of took off around 1873 and above, but I am not sure. Thanks

[@Wildwest89]

45-55 and 45-70 were/are centerfire

[@outdoorlife5396]

@@Wildwest89 thanks.

[@wsmvolunteers8588]

gijoe is correct. All most all of the early metallic cartridges were rimfire, such as the .22 and .32 for Smith & Wesson revolvers, and the .44 in the 1860 Henry and 1866 Winchester lever actions. Cartridges for the 1860 Spencer were rimfire. In 1870, the US Army purchased its first large lot of self-contained cartridge handguns. The purchase included 1,000 Remington rolling block single shot pistols chambered in .45-25, 1,000 Remington New Model Army .44 caliber revolvers altered to metallic cartridge, and 1,000 Smith & Wesson #3 “American” revolvers in .44 S&W. Centerfire rounds were also introduced in the 1873 Trapdoors, the 1873 Colt Single Action Army revolver, and the 1873 Winchester. So the early 1870s are a good date for the transition.

[@outdoorlife5396]

@@wsmvolunteers8588 Thank you.

[@dennistaylor6486]

I wouldn't pay more for the tacks.

[@thebigone6071]

Yo u lookin good tho Evan !!! Where u get yo threads at my ninja??? Yo fit lookin all cowboy hip tho def goated my dawg no cap 💯💯☝🏿🙏🏿🐐🐐🐐💥💥💥

[@wsmvolunteers8588]

Hey Big. Hat from Ebay, shirt and Wrangler jeans from a local western store.

[@MOGGY7912]

Tremendous