DCS F-16C Viper Air to Ground HMD Annoying Bug Work Around!

Hey guys! I have spent all morning trying to figure out how to set a Mark-Point with the HMD in the DCS F-16C until I found this little bug that prevents the correct symbology from showing up on your HUD & HMD! This bug is definitely significant because it will prevent folks from using the HMD in the most popular use case, getting your targeting pod onto a point on the ground selected through your HMD! I hope this helps!
Basically just cycle the sensor used to create the markpoint using your Dabra Switch!
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[@Spudknocker]

Hey guys! I have spent all morning trying to figure out how to set a Mark-Point with the HMD in the DCS F-16C until I found this little bug that prevents the correct symbology from showing up on your HUD & HMD! This bug is definitely significant because it will prevent folks from using the HMD in the most popular use case, getting your targeting pod onto a point on the ground selected through your HMD! I hope this helps!

[@skylarfreeman8097]

THANK YOU I THOUGHT I WAS DUMB!

[@thomaskoso81]

Thanks bro

[@markusmaier7546]

Okay, I thaugt it was me...

[@dogjutsufpv3813]

Little shortcut: When your DED is on a markpoint, you can just hit M-SEL to make it the current steerpoint.

[@William3000x]

NICE. Good to know that. Thanks.

[@JSRJS]

Oct 2023 and they still haven't fixed this bug....was absolutely driving me crazy until I came across this video. Not sure why ED waits so long for such major bugs like this....over a year

[@davenottingham3254]

I'm hoping this is my issue (Feb 24) as nothing I do seems to work. I follow the videos I've watched (I keep notes so I know I'm doing as instructed) and after setting the point it moves somewhere completely different. Going to go and try it now!

[@g.skouras2599]

Great work thanks man happy new year!!!!

[@Mightymoose02]

Hi Spudknocker. TIP: To select a newly created markpoint, it is much quicker to push "0 (M-SEL)". That will immediately make the markpoin the current steerpoint.

[@Spudknocker]

That Is a really good point!

[@MisterKnif3]

Was just about to say. Also in visual mode you can also designate a target via the hmcs the same way as you do mark points

[@Spudknocker]

@@MisterKnif3 Keep in mind that doesnt work with all weapons and would require you to carry a weapon that can use visual mode, JDAM, AGM-65 etc

[@Rex-ii2yz]

@@Spudknocker Is there just no way to use the HMCS with just the Tpod to spot and mark? I found the same thing that to get any of this to work you have to have something with VIS mode, and that just seems silly.

[@Rex-ii2yz]

I gotta try that! But first I have to remember it.

[@LaRossaMusic]

This isn’t a bug at all. You are in CCRP indicated lower left of the HUD and when you cycle markpoint modes you go into VIS mode. Matt states that if you want to set a markpoint via HMD make sure you’re in *CCIP* mode … so when you DMS up and push Mark you will go into VIS mode. Don’t call it a bug.

[@magrathean0]

That seems a bit illogical. CCRP is the mode that needs some kind of designation. If you want to use CCIP, why not just fly at the target and release with the cross-hairs over the target, rather than designating a point in HMCS that makes no odds?

[@Gunterlund583]

thanks for doing tihis. We noticed this today as well....

[@William3000x]

In the first test I made for this new feature, it occurred to me another bug (at least I THINK it's a bug). I was parked at the ramp I spawned, and thought about creating a mark point for my Initial position (something really useful in cases where you don't have your home base show up as a steerpoint on your flight plan - this is weird, I know, but it can happen). So I pressed Mark, slew the HUD TDC on the spot on the ground that would be this mark point. As soon as I pressed the first TMS Up short for the fine adjustment of the point, the point started drifting away from the spot on the ground, and I had to keep slewing it back, fighting against the drifting point. It would only stop drifting when I either TMS Down to reset the cursor back to the FPM, or confirm the point by TMS Up again. It wasn't behaving like that prior to the new update, but that time it did, and now I'm not sure if there was another control conflicting with the slew that I wasn't aware of, or it's actually a bug.

[@Spudknocker]

Interesting! COuld be a bug, it is an open beta!

[@darcyreid8105]

i have this sometimes, its a different control playing with the tgp. check your controls for the tdc slew

[@SgtDangerWaffles]

this is still happing its a pain...

[@jpierce2l33t]

Love it man! Aaaaaaaaaaas always! 🤣🤣🤣

[@nexus888]

Thanks for calling this out. It looks like a simple fix so hopefully ED can send out a hotfix quickly to get it working. It was working for me when I first started but after a while it stopped working. I still don't know what triggers the difference...

[@Smuth_Op]

The worst bug of DCS is not enough privet market competition, that probably the root cause of >95% issues.

[@SgtWall1ce]

very cool video Saker, when will Spud put out the next Viggen tutorial video? I would like to land at a roadbase via an ILS. thanks!

[@therocinante3443]

Man the update dropped and I'm stuck shopping at the mall! Dag-gonnit!

[@nezihcakir6459]

Thanks for this usefull video.

[@dangerously72]

Is this still the standard procedure or has it been 'fixed'?

[@frederf3227]

*For a quick helmet attack you would use DTOS, not mark+CCRP. Guess what isn't modeled yet? *2:27 "our SOI is steerpoint 1" SPI and SOI are different concepts. *3:13 Bug: Mark mode should immediately override all other activities (e.g. CCRP). *3:30 Weird to mention lack of HUD symbology while looking at HMCS. They are different things. *3:34 Confusing that "we can do _ l ike this by" when you can't do it yet because it hasn't be fixed/workaround yet. *4:19 "Dob-ber" not "dawb-reh", Viper slang for data control switch (DCS). *Cycling through the mark sensors to override CCRP to HUD mark properly is a bug workaround. *5:41 You can quick select a mark with ICP 0 from the mark screen directly. Make sure to CZ any slews after. *7:05 "Cursor" not TDC. F-16 not F-18. Note bug that in NAV master mode HMCS mark symbol is invisible but marks are still possible. Note bug that the TMS forward >500ms isn't completing the long press action at 501ms. Instead it's wrongly waiting for release of switch.

[@mactgnr]

cheers Spud especially getting the video out so quick mate! And merry Christmas to you too dude

[@Spudknocker]

Thanks man! Merry Christmas to you too!

[@Elvinsilvester]

Seen a reaction from ED on this topic at the f16 bug forum. Nine said this needs dtos mode (wip), and is correct behavior. By using ccip with LGB it will work. Creat mark and then switch to ccrp; tested it and worked. Great vid as always.

[@drbackjack]

This is 100% a bug and not working as intended. 9L was thinking of VIS and DTOS HMCS cues and not HMCS markpoints.

[@partyanimals9981]

nothing is happening when i press the wpn release button... can someone help me out please?

[@mvidkjaer]

This also happend for me. As it turns out your PC and DCS game has to be on.

[@brandonchappell1535]

You can do that helmet thing in the F/A-18? i thought was only in the A10? How do you do it in F/A18, as theres no TMS?

[@agostonbazmajer1100]

If by the helmet thing you mean ground designation, you can go air to ground master mode, SCS forward and if you see the ball symbol on the HMD, look at the target and TDC depress.

[@brandonchappell1535]

@@agostonbazmajer1100 haha yeh, thats wat i meant. Absolute champion, will definitely be trying this 1 out !

[@ethanb7388]

I was doing this without mark points earlier when sam's were launching on me to get the tgp to look at them then lock them up.

[@Spudknocker]

Were you using an HTS pod?

[@ethanb7388]

Yes I had the hts on to. I'm loading back in to see if I can do it again. But I was deff skewing the pod to what I was looking at through the helmet

[@ethanb7388]

Yeah I just did it again in vis mode with 105s having the tgp target whatever I want with the helmet

[@Spudknocker]

@@ethanb7388 You are correct, but unfortunately it seems to be weapon specific, this doesn't work for things like Dumb bombs or LGB's.

[@ethanb7388]

@@Spudknocker dang yeah that sucks I hope we can get some answers soon surely it can't be like that in real life.

[@fjacobsen16]

Watch Matt Wagners video again... You don´t seem to go TMS Forward long (>0.5) for getting the symbology on the HMD. This is used for JDAMS, Mavericks and Mark points.

[@Spudknocker]

Yes I do and describe it as such in the video

[@dfed0530]

Can't find an answer to this, but when I create a markpoint on STP 26 I can't create a new markpoint on it again. I can replace markpoints on STP 27-30 by setting the STP to one less than the one I want to change. Example: To change STP 27 I need to change the SPT to 26 when making a new markpoint. Is there a way to properly replace STP 26 with a new markpoint since I can't seem to do it by inputting SPT 25 to edit markpoint 26?

[@Stubbies2003]

By having 30 selected it should roll right back to 26.

[@Spudknocker]

@@Stubbies2003 Thats good to know!

[@Swatmat]

cheers spud, i did wonder why it wasnt working

[@Spudknocker]

Ya, Kinda Annoying, and with everyone on Xmas vacation I wanted to give everyone a work-around ASAP! Please Share this video so that more will see it!

[@OperatorPuski]

I think it is faster to simply make the airport area a steer point which then becomes a SPI so the targeting pod snaps to the area. Then slew the targeting pod to the target, drop bomb. Faster and more efficient still. I can’t imagine this being the actual procedure in a real F16 as no one would use it. I’m certainly not going to use it this way. When you are up around 10,000 feet all you see are dots. No way to know what is or isn’t a target until you examine it closer with the targeting pod and those extra steps are in the way when trying to do it in 1 pass. Nice video explanation though and I appreciate your passion in all your vids

[@ImperiumLibertas]

The F16 is frustrating to use with anything other than preset steer point targets and ccip.

[@spacekraken666]

When an update releases and the first video you see is about bugs... DCS, DCS never changes.

[@ImperiumLibertas]

Meh, it isn't that bad and is an easy fix from a technical perspective.

[@norman191000]

It's a fuckin' beta, dude.

[@Stubbies2003]

Well I think one easier way to get around that issue is to set up your markpoint prior to going into A-G mode. Try it from NAV mode then after the markpoint is set then go A-G.

[@ImperiumLibertas]

That's a good tip. Thanks

[@Rex-ii2yz]

Is there still no easy way to just look at the ground and then slave the TGP to it? Apparently you have to have a weapon with VIS mode to make this work. Was trying to use this system with a HARM loadout and it was driving me nuts trying to make the HMCS the SOI so I could look at the launch sites and slave the pod to it with TMS forward long. Am I dong something wrong? Is it a bug? Or is the Viper this obtuse?

[@Spudknocker]

I believe it is that obtuse, When markpoints work correctly it can very much help the situation!

[@HEATER_]

Air Force. The lifestyle is easy, the jets are a pain in the ass.

[@coriolanculot5587]

One of the main issues in the video is that you keep comparing the F/A-18C with the F-16. The philosophy is different and you keep using Hornet terms to talk about F-16 avionics. TDC is a hornet term. As the avionics in the DCS F-16 is going to become more and more complex and in deep, that kind of mixed slang can’t be. Also, as many users mentioned, once a markpoint is made, simply press the O on the ICP keypad. You have very nice content, but you to my likening are starting to lack in credibility and precision as the avionics gets more in deep. This is because you as many other DCS users don’t specialize on one module but you jump from the Hornet to the Viper and other modules. In one of your videos you can’t remember where the radio Volume knobs are. I was a bit disappointed at that because i used to watch your videos a lot and it wasn’t like that at the beginning.

[@_DANZIG_]

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