SR 34067 Tangmere sends up a perfect smoke ring on the WCME 10/02/24

SR 34067 Tangmere was the motive power from Manchester Piccadilly to Carlisle for todays Winter Cumbrian Mountain Express over Shap and returning via the Settle Carlisle line as far as Hellifield, we first see the Spam Can from Scout Green through to Shap Summit with eleven on and 57315 assisting on the rear and watch out for the perfect smoke ring at 1:46, with an unfortunate late departure from Carnforth the return was also running late, we see Tangmere rounding the corner from Mallerstang Edge towards Angrholme and up to Aisgill Summit, thanks to Steve for the crack and company today and thanks for watching.

[@railwayscene]

Superb panning, a quality video. Thanks Nige

[@nige7577]

Thanks Jed, glad you enjoyed watching, cheers 👍

[@martsmiscmix]

Considering the overcast, it seemed to be a remarkably good day for "drifting exhaust" other "clag"! Beautifully captured as usual, many thanks!

[@nige7577]

Thanks Martin for you kind comment, it was much better when the tour should have originally run up Shap but due to the delay at Carnforth it became overcast although the winds were light, the return was well assisted unfortunately so the exhaust was drifting more cheers 👍

[@blackcountrysteamvideos8021]

I don’t think I’ve ever heard a bullied pacific sound this good nicely filmed nige.

[@nige7577]

Thanks Luke, yes she was sounding great over Shap with some assistance from the back but the return was heavily assisted up to Aisgill, cheers 👍

[@acw71000]

Great filming Nige, good sound from Tangmere today especially climbing Shap

[@nige7577]

Thanks Austin, unfortunate with another delay but a great climb up Shap although the return was well assisted, cheers 👍

[@khankadet]

Good to see and hear (!) Tangmere working up Shap with the unusual smoke ring a surprising bonus. Great vantage point at Ais Gill and thanks for the wave. Should also mention the usual high quality footage/panning. Take care - Chris

[@nige7577]

Thanks Chris, good conditions on Shap and a good performance from Tangmere made for some good running, always like that spot up the hillside at Aisgill but the sapling are taking over so it won’t be long before a full pan from up there is impossible, cheers nige👍

[@eaglesfield102]

Great video Nige at some great locations. It turned out to be a ideal day to see a steam loco working hard climbing Shap with some great exhaust plumes. I spotted either yours or Steve's car near Shap summit so was expecting to see some videos from there. I was a bit further south at Salterwath and at Langwathby for the return leg.

[@nige7577]

Thanks Alistair, yes much better conditions than the last time and ideal for the exhaust, unfortunate with the delays but things worked out in the end, that was my car and when we got there there was still some mist but no wind so we thought we’d try it as it’s a while since we were last there, cheers 👍

[@roboftherock]

It has been a number of years since the last one was captured and posted here on KZbin. I commend you on the well-thought out caamera placements. It seems the spirit of Crossfell lives on on the S&C!

[@nige7577]

Thanks for your kind comments Robbie, it was certainly a nice bonus, cheers 👍

[@fredMplanenut]

Great position, great panning, great video, thanks.

[@nige7577]

Thanks Fred for your lovely comments, cheers 👍

[@Linesider1]

Great long running shots Nige, the smoke ring out of that massive (diameter) chimney was quite something. Not much wind which is always lovely to experience on Shap. Interesting to see the performance at Ais Gill, I reckon they were conserving water. Cheers, David.

[@nige7577]

Thanks David, I’ve seen smoke rings from Black 5s before but not from a Bullied which was a nice bonus and very good conditions on Shap which was in our favour, you could be right there with not stopping at Appleby and running late assistance was always going to be given, cheers nige👍

[@KlassixM]

Great positioning for fantastic captures. You did the loco proud!

[@nige7577]

Thanks Maurice for your lovely comments as they are very much appreciated, cheers 👍

[@jimcurtis3273]

I just love that. Roar..lots of steam and smoke and that classic bullied power train..brilliant video..thanks😂

[@nige7577]

Thanks Jim for your lovely comments, cheers 👍

[@COVENTRYBRIAN]

Magnificent filming climbing Shap

[@nige7577]

Thanks for your lovely comment Brian as it’s much appreciated, cheers👍

[@NEVILLEGROVE]

Right place right time as usual Nige, but a lot of effort and skill goes into capturing these epic sights and sounds 👏

[@nige7577]

Thanks Steve for your very kind comments which are always appreciated, cheers 👍

[@allan5919]

Excellent shots of 'Tangmere' Nige. Cheers - Allan.

[@nige7577]

Thanks Allan glad you enjoyed watching, cheers nige👍

[@grahamhall5211]

Quality brilliant and spot on with them nige 😊

[@nige7577]

Thanks Graham much appreciated, much better conditions for this one as well, cheers 👍

[@bobnweaver]

Superb video of Tangmere Nige, very enjoyable. Cheers, Jeff.

[@nige7577]

Thanks Jeff, glad you enjoyed watching, cheers nige👍

[@Stevestrainandplanevideos]

Great video, very good high quality camera work, love the long pan at Ais Gill 👍

[@nige7577]

Thanks Steve that’s very much appreciated, that’s one of my favourite locations at Aisgill unfortunately that clear pan shot will be lost shortly due the growth of the sapling that were planted along the hillside, cheers 👍

[@morrislouiseeagle7161]

Excellent both in sound and vision - thank you for sharing this with us much appreciated

[@nige7577]

Many thanks Louise I always appreciate your lovely comments, cheers 👍

[@johnallison7608]

Great stuff, as always. Thank you.

[@nige7577]

Thanks John for your kind comments, cheers 👍

[@cprgreaves]

Thank you for taking me back to Shap! It's been three quarters of a century ...

[@nige7577]

My pleasure and thank you for watching, cheers 👍

[@tattoo1084]

Great work Nige, throwing some clag out in the morning. Great pan at Aisgill. Was at Scout Green and Aisgill. Saw us in your shot.👍

[@nige7577]

Thanks David, yes a good display on Shap, won’t be long before you can’t get that full pan from up the hillside at Aisgill the way the saplings are shooting up, was that you both on the other side of the summit🤔 cheers 👍

[@tattoo1084]

@nige7577 yes it was us.

[@nige7577]

@@tattoo1084 👍

[@Dodger0103]

Beautiful video 👍 In its working day in the early sixties , my comprehensive school in Woking was right by the line. So we used to wait for the Bournemouth Belle, to see who was pulling it. It was always 1pm, as she came steaming through and it was either Battle of Britain class or West Country and Tangmere was one of them. All the drivers used to blow the whistle as they passed by, such a beautiful moment when I think about it now. For your information, the school was Monument Hill C.S.

[@nige7577]

Thank you for your lovely comment Roger and thanks for watching, hope this brought back many happy memories for you from your school days, cheers 👍

[@tassiedevil2200]

Great filming and a great catch - and there's a second smoke ring briefly at 2:50-2:54, rising quickly above the tree at the start of the wall.

[@nige7577]

Thanks for your kind comments TassieDevil and thanks for that as I missed that one somehow, it’s amazing to catch one let alone two, cheers👍

[@bobcharles2683]

Great vid, what a performer 'Tangmere' is.

[@nige7577]

Thanks Bob glad you enjoyed watching, doing a grand job even with assistance after earlier issues, cheers 👍

[@derekpennymainlineproducti4885]

Superb footage using the available light perfectly.

[@nige7577]

Thanks Derek that’s much appreciated, cheers nige👍

[@helmutsandner6964]

Fantastic video. Very enjoyable to watch.

[@nige7577]

Thanks for your lovely comment Helmut as it’s very much appreciated, cheers 👍

[@rarerufus8864]

Excellent camera work Nige, as always. Illustrates so well the brilliance of the Bullied design as the 'spam-can' smoke deflectors afford the driver as clear a view forward as possible. As for the smoke ring ... well, how did that happen?! 👏

[@nige7577]

Many thanks Rare Rufus, yes with that amount of exhaust you need it going in the right direction which shows how well designed they are, I’ve seen a few smoke ring from a Black 5 but never from a Bullied so it was a nice bonus, cheers 👍

[@philclarke3203]

Great catches nige. And what a bonus with the smoke ring! Only ever seen one, at Llangollen,and been looking out ever since.😀👍

[@nige7577]

Thanks Phil, it’s the first time I’ve seen one from a Southern engine but I’ve a seen a couple before from Black 5s, cheers 👍

[@robindeer-park5755]

What a spectacle Nige many thanks.

[@nige7577]

Thanks for your lovely comment Robin, cheers 👍

[@RailwayTavern]

Great chasing, some cracking shots and sounding great to boot!

[@nige7577]

Thanks Ian for your lovely comments, cheers 👍

[@fenderac3049]

That sounds better, they've obviously sorted the valve timing out on Tangmere. Brilliant scenery and atmospheric conditions for filming steam. Nice video.

[@nige7577]

Thanks Fenderac30 for your lovely comments, cheers 👍

[@lnerrules-iw6ry]

Excellent footage there Nige, as always. Tangmere was working well up Shap

[@nige7577]

Thanks Andrew, putting in a good performance on Shap even with some assistance, cheers 👍

[@cedarcam]

I have only seen a diesel blow smoke rings before, nice bonus. You were lucky,. it was thick mist as far as Settle on my way to Carlisle and after there turned out lovely and bright and the same on the way home again with rain and mist.

[@nige7577]

Thanks Cedarcam, seen a few smoke rings from Black 5s but never a Bullied, it was much improved on Shap to the previous WCME but we lost the sun with the tour running late but happy with the conditions considering it’s Shap, cheers 👍

[@liamfinch4129]

Excellent video!

[@nige7577]

Many thanks Liam, cheers 👍

[@DavidParkerlocomotive67]

Hi nige,Great filming and the smoke ring.....Dave ☺👍👍👍🚂🚃

[@nige7577]

Thanks for watching Dave, the smoke ring was a nice bonus, cheers nige 👍

[@DavidParkerlocomotive67]

Hi nige.Yes never seen that before.Thanks for reply ...Dav,locomotive67 😀👍👍👍🚂🚃@@nige7577

[@roysimmons3549]

An express steam locomotive at speed. Superb.

[@nige7577]

Thanks for your kind comment Roy, glad you enjoyed watching, cheers 👍

[@thirdengineer]

Terrific footage Nige the Bulleid really does well plenty of exhaust. Cant understand the delays though did not realise it was coming off at Hellifield till I went there and saw it uncouple.Cheers Brian

[@nige7577]

Thanks Brian that’s much appreciated, the conditions were very good on Shap for a change which was to Tangmere’s benefit, the delay started at Carnforth where the mains water pressure was very low so time was lost filling the tender which subsequently had a knock on affect on the return, Tangmere was originally due to come off at Preston but after issues on the previous WCME taking her off at Hellifield enabled the tour to be back on time departing Preston, cheers nige👍

[@daicymru5527]

Its wonderful to see the steam loco on the Settle line with so much steam obscuring the diesel!

[@nige7577]

Thanks Dai, unfortunately the diesel was doing most of the work at Aisgill which is why the exhaust was drifting down and obscuring the diesel, cheers 👍

[@georgerobertson5935]

That's the WCML

[@nige7577]

@@georgerobertson5935 The video shows the tour running over Shap and the Settle Carlisle George, it says that in the description.

[@evilcdh]

Wonderful in every way!

[@nige7577]

Many thanks David, glad you enjoyed watching, cheers 👍

[@stephenclay2400]

Great video

[@nige7577]

Many thanks Stephen, glad you enjoyed watching, cheers 👍

[@NSBarnett]

Very nice. How much work did the pusher provide, do you think? Half? More?

[@nige7577]

Thanks NSBarnett, It’s hard to say as both sounded as though they were working well, cheers 👍

[@TheStephengthompson]

Quality as ever Nige , certainly working well on Shap just a shame it was more sedate from Tangmere up Mallerstang 👍🎥

[@nige7577]

Thanks Steve, yes a decent performance on Shap in much better conditions as well, the need to pull back time on the return made for extra assistance from the 57 sadly, cheers 👍

[@grahamhutton3129]

Superb video, brilliant. I love the Bulleid locos, it needs sending down south ;). Was the diesel ramming it along, I've never seen a loco climb so fast up the s&c.

[@nige7577]

Thanks for your lovely comment Graham, yes unfortunately there was plenty of assistance on the climb to Aisgill, the tour was running around 40 minutes late, cheers 👍

[@jimcurtis3273]

Tangmere has always been a favourite that I would like to see but it's unlike to come through basingstoke.

[@nige7577]

You never know Jim, as Tangmere has worked down south before and I would think will again once the issues with West Coast coaches is sorted, maybe not through Basingstoke but somewhere near, cheers 👍

[@StephenDrysdaleBroughtylad]

Superb sequence of shots with Tangmere looking and sounding tickety boo although difficult to discern how much assistance is being provided as these re-engineered 57's sound much more quiet than the 47's when working hard. 👍

[@nige7577]

Many thanks Stephen, it was a good run up Shap with some assistance but on the Aisgill climb Tangmere was relatively quiet pointing to a lot of assistance from the diesel, cheers 👍

[@Chris64EX4]

Some very nice EMD 12-645F3B thrash with hint of steam noises there from 5 min 50 onwards!

[@nige7577]

Thanks Chris, with the tour running late on both legs assistance was expected but as you point out most of the work was from the rear climbing up to Aisgill, cheers 👍

[@michaeltaylor1869]

Another cracking video nige well done great camera work as usual I am really looking forward to seeing your next video I hope you get a nice video next time also when is your next video going to be on KZbin bye for now Philip

[@nige7577]

Thanks for your lovely comments Philip which are always appreciated, will be out again on Saturday for the Black 5, cheers 👍

[@michaeltaylor1869]

Which black 5 is it

[@nige7577]

@@michaeltaylor1869 Hi Philip, it’s 44871 on Saturdays WCME

[@michaeltaylor1869]

Thanks nige its moving from Bury east Lancashire railway to Carnforth steamtown on Friday I think

[@nige7577]

@@michaeltaylor1869 Yes, times are on RTT.

[@kevinwalton4538]

That is shifting for those gradients and the diesel at the back seems to be providing power?

[@nige7577]

Thanks Kevin, yes there was some assistance from the diesel on Shap and even more at Aisgill, cheers 👍

[@josephinebennington7247]

Small point…it’s Craic, not Crack. Other than that, great vid. Jumping between camera positions seems an interesting logistics problem.

[@nige7577]

Thanks for watching and for your kind comments Josephine, I think you’ll find craic evolved from crack originally and is a regional thing depending where you are, I usually film with a mate so we set up cameras and look after each other’s if theres some distance between us otherwise when I’m alone the other cameras have to be in view from where I am depending on the location, cheers 👍

[@josephinebennington7247]

@@nige7577 I found this, thanks for uncovering the differentiation…ex Wikipedia ”The word has an unusual history; the Scots and English crack was borrowed into Irish as craic in the mid-20th century and the Irish spelling was then reborrowed into English.[1] Under either spelling, the term has attracted popularity and significance in Ireland.

[@nige7577]

@@josephinebennington7247 👍

[@stephenbrass1808]

Much better conditions for filming today with a lovely pan from shap in the morning Nige, the return was not quite what you expected, but its one of those, cheers Steve . 👍

[@nige7577]

Thanks Steve, yes much better than last time, unfortunate with late departure from Carlisle assistance was near enough guaranteed on the return, cheers 👍

[@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329]

This loco is gonna be used again on the 24th of February

[@nige7577]

Thanks Scott, yes that’s correct with the Rivera blue and grey stock, cheers 👍

[@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329]

@@nige7577yes and the first time for tangmere to work with the pathfinder tour even it’s still a member of the west coast railways fleet

[@SimonTog]

Nice video Nige :)

[@nige7577]

Thanks Simon, cheers 👍

[@PeteAndrews-q6t]

Why DO they have to drag a diesel behind them ??

[@nige7577]

Thanks for watching Pete, the diesel is on for heating and to power the air conditioning on this stock also to assist the steam loco if required and as both legs were running behind schedule so the diesel was also assisting, cheers 👍

[@voidjavelin23]

shuttle/return service

[@ImanRailfans-th4ef]

nicee🎉🎉🎉🎉👍👍💪💪💪💪🙏🚂

[@nige7577]

Thanks for watching, cheers 👍

[@grahamepigney8565]

Such a pity they have to drag a diesel loco around, undoubtedly there are "good" reasons but such an insult to this magnificent piece of historic machinery.

[@nige7577]

Thanks Graham, the diesel would be on for heating and air con also to assist if needed, unfortunately this tour was running late on both runs so the diesel was assisting more so on the return, cheers 👍

[@nisaax]

Its to run the air conditioning in those Mk2 carriages for people who came for, but don't really want, a steam experience :)

[@stirlingmoss4621]

smoke ring @ 1.45

[@nige7577]

There’s two if you watch carefully.

[@stirlingmoss4621]

@@nige7577so there are

[@railwaymechanicalengineer4587]

A FARCICAL CON !!! You pay a lot of money for a supposed "Steam train ride" only to find they have added a DIESEL loco to the train, which quite clearly is doing a good 50% OF THE WORK as you can hear the diesel roaring past the camera!!! So just when life gets interesting going up hills like Shap with a steam loco, where the engine would have to work hard and give out a thunderous continuous roar, with huge smoke effects. The Diesel provides most of the power. So the steam loco has to do little work, and can almost saunter up the Hill. Without the normal grand smoke & sounds effects, you would have seen on this gradient in steam days. It also means that professional train timers cannot time the train & work out how much power the steam loco is exerting, or exact speeds over any quarter mile section. Indeed putting a heavy vehicle on the rear of a train (unless banking on gradients) was forbidden in BR days, because its DANGEROUS. So I certainly would never waste my money on such a Farcical CON. Much better in Germany were steam excursions don't have Diesels attached, and as seen on a number of occasions have reached speeds approaching a 100mph. Indeed the 02.0201 Pacific has reached 106mph in preservation (it has achieved speeds as high as 113.3mph in East German Railways service in the 1960's) It also has the largest driving wheels fitted to ANY Pacific of 7ft 6in. NOTE: I began Driving steam back in the 1970's before becoming a Qualified Locomotive Mechanical Engineer, & I've worked for many Railways around the World.

[@nige7577]

Unfortunately due to the CDL issues at WCRC it was air con stock that was on this train so no open windows which kills most of the sound for the passengers, also the tour was well behind schedule on both legs so the diesel was working well to claw back back some lost time.

[@voidjavelin23]

clueless and ignorant assumption