SSAC14: 10,000 Hours vs. The Sports Gene

Many impactful innovations in sport and beyond were created by visionaries that dared to think differently. Finding a new and radical way of approaching a traditional task -- one that may even run counter to conventional wisdom -- is risky but potentially "game changing" too.
This panel will bring together the pioneers who have found success by challenging the status quo in their field. The discussion will focus on questions such as: What seeded the initial idea for change? Who inspired them? How did they overcome obstacles and gain buy-in to their vision? Once established, how does one continue to innovate in the face of new imitators? And, what is the next great opportunity for innovation?

[@seanmullin4181]

There are no "rules", there is nuance, and they are discussing them rationally. I enjoyed the discussion.

[@MH-Tesla]

No idea why this showed up in my suggested, but cudos to KZbin. I loved it. Especially Malcolm. Not to take away from the other guy, but it was very engaging. Thanks for posting.

[@aliofly]

Gladwell gets shown up badly here

[@chrisheywood13]

Gladwell does, to give him credit, have a broader field of knowledge, whereas Epstein is more specialised with his knowledge in this field, although still incredibly intelligent. Both great minds in their own right. I have read all their books and admire both their work.

[@yangcoatienza3273]

This is funny considering Epstein released a book about being a generalist last year

[@adamoooo2]

@@yangcoatienza3273 and it could be said that Gladwell's case is for specialists

[@dumbblonde95]

He suffers from Lake Wobegon effect: everyone can be "better-than-average" with practice

[@ridwanurrashidrashid6228]

Malcolm gladwell ❤️❤️

[@unknown-10k]

👍

[@christophercollins8236]

sister forever

[@dylanringwood8817]

Gladwell backpedals so far that his position becomes indistinguishable from that of hereditarians. If all he is saying is that given the condition of genetic equality, then it is practice, or x amount of practice, that will make the difference, he really isn't saying much at all.

[@jamesthomas530]

***** Gladwell is a fraud. His books are expanded versions of basic undergrad level research papers. And just like those papers, some of his conclusions are obvious and others are not supported by his source literature. We live in a world today where no one - and I mean NO ONE - checks facts... I read Gladwell's "Tipping Point" & "Outlier" and I would recommend that anyone who has done the same should go to the Bibliography and pick up a few of his source books and read them. Discern whether you arrive at the same conclusions that does. Rather, you will find that he begins with a popular, politically correct conclusions and - just like a college kid - looks for a few source books where he can liberally "paraphrase" the evidence he needs to under-gird his premises. The "10,000 hours" is a very small part of the book but it has went viral. He has not performed any type of experiment or survey - he just goes about the task of legitimizing conclusions that he already believed to be true... What a culture we live in... As long as you sound like you did something, that's the same as ACTUALLY doing something.... Even so, you will find that his so called evidence for some of the chapter's conclusions are completely non-existent when investigated...

[@bobbylight111]

"Hundreds of thousands" of master level chess players? Really?

[@jonathans4649]

GTS, 800 million chess players in the world. 1500 or so GRANDMASTERS, and I can't even find master level because no one cares.

[@mxyzptlk23]

Great talk but amazing that you can't spell "Malcolm" correctly....(!)

[@robrigler2903]

gladwell just talks nonsense here, really does, goes round in circles to try and avoid answering questions.

[@deepintheslums]

Epstein crushes

[@SuperSadist1]

Epstein is data driven and scientific . Malcolm says it's to show to people that greats are great because they shit loads of practice .But still it affects are devastating on some people like people who works their buts off thinking they will reach there eventually .Should have taken the responsibility and mentioned there maybe you can maybe you can't ever

[@terencewinters2154]

Why do Ethiopians and Kenyans make long distance runners and Jamaicans sprinters. Convergence of genes, culture, and time on task-10,000 hours. Praise acclamation are cultural supporters for the action. That acclamation has spillover effect causing a kind of halo effect for other opportunities. Like advanced education travel . Epstein has some data on non early specialization in range but that occurs in places and times where leisure and affluence permit lateral development of complimentary skills for later specialization. Precocity is nothing to sneeze at and needs support in the gifted . But is not dispositive of future greatness. Interfering forces like motivation and imagination in these persons may vary as is grit. What they're really arguing about is what are the best predictive indicators to shape the best environment for the desired outcome? Why did Glenn Cunningham become a great runner despite a physical handicap or Billy mills despite being culturally disadvantaged? ( hoorah- the marine corps ) So look at resistance training more broadly. The resistances being the actual motivating obstacle factor , like poverty. Say you can't to a rebellious teen and he will. They're running the gauntlet anyway. Would Plato have been a great philosopher if Socrates had not been his teacher?

[@arisarden]

no way am I going to register to see this video, sorry.