SSL UF8- Could be perfect BUT...

You asked for it so here it is: I share my thought about the SSL UF-8 after using it for several months.
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[@skiiizo]

Thanks!

[@DomSigalas]

Thank you so much Michel, highly appreciate it ❤️

[@skiiizo]

it's my second "thanks" to this video. I was going to buy the UF8 for Cubase, I already have the CC121, and I forgot about the limitations from the first time when I saw the video, thanks to this video that I watched again today, you made me spare 1000€ ! So thank you Dom

[@DomSigalas]

So good to hear Michel! I hear that SSL has plans to fix the issue I’m describing here. Let’s see- if they do I’m doing an update video for sure! And thank you so much for the Super ❤️❤️❤️

[@RealCbase]

I hope so much that Steinberg finally brings a follow-up for the CC121. In the best case scalable for example with an 8 fader extension.

[@QuantumComposer]

That would be great. There should also be a more high-end controller, but not Nuage-level high-end, more like 1/10 the price.

[@jaumepardalito]

They has cmc that are now driver discontínued , sadly. They worked like a charm. Please Steinber!!!

[@RealCbase]

@@jaumepardalito yes, thats sad... have a cmc pad controller and use it for workflow stuff... fire up keycommands/macros via the drumpads. I dont know when the day comes that it did not work anymore, how i can live without it. 😅🙈

[@jaumepardalito]

@@RealCbase I have all cmc set and are the most useful controllers I ever had. Now that I'm transitioning setup to a brand new Mac Studio I've found myself without options that replace CMC, that stays like new but are going to trash. Is it so hard to compile new drivers to apple silicon?

[@RealCbase]

@@jaumepardalito i know, this is a real bummer. 😔 have also a macbook m1 ... but my main computer is still a PC for the reason to use the CMC as long as possible. It dont't think there is comming a new controller like the CC121 or the CMC's in the near future... but i did not unterstand that. I think there is a big market!

[@gerharduberbacher1884]

Hi Dom! If you want to select the plugins in a comfortable way press and then . Now you can select the plugs with fader 1.

[@thelzn1918]

Dealbreaker for me is the channel select, have to wait and see if they fix that. Thank you for an awesome video!

[@DannyCaruzo]

You are absolutely right , the Follow feature would be great !

[@bobomark4136]

I love your comments, I used Mackie type controller. And 30 years Pro Tools experienced. Eucon is the solution BUT need someone to program the button, (I actually will ask my assistant to do it) . When I mix in Pro Tools Eucon make sky different. And I order CC121 after watch your video…. Learn a lot from you … and Yes, I will used Cubase more and more, after 30 years in Pro Tools

[@nota76]

Thank you Dom! Nice open video... and I love my CC121❤

[@benbartlettmusic]

Great video thank. I’ve been in touch with SSL as I hit the same issue around the lack of track follow in the MCU protocol. It turns out it’s Steinberg implementation of MCU that is lacking also. Apparently Logic does successfully have its track selection followed by UC1. But of course that’s of no use to any musician with a serous need for a DAW such as Cubase or Nuendo. So maybe you - as a clearly influential supporter and advocate of Steinberg, may be able to persuade them to look again at their MCU implementation in the light of SSL’s new flurry of products (that make Cubase APPEAR weak by mistake). Anyways - big fan of your incisive logic and very impressive musicianship. Thanks.

[@0AndrewBolt0]

SSL knew they were going to release the matching UF1, which resolves the transport control issues. It's great. Also unassigned buttons provide SSL room to issue advanced software updates.

[@stephencampbell7427]

Agree, also the UF1 is so much more then just the transport controls, it's very deep and flexible. Firmware update 1.5 was mostly about UF1 and cubase. with the new firmware 1.6 coming last quarter of the yr. I think it's going to bring many changes to the trio UF1,UC1 and UF8. I hope for control over the color of the units.

[@Chaz_r]

I believe their (SSL) purchase of Mixbus32 will leverage their integration of DAW and control surface. I feel like we all might be demoing Mix32 within the next year

[@MCJams]

THe UF1 Has the same problem with track follow as the UF 8. It is useless as a cubase controler

[@DomSigalas]

The big problem for me is not the transport but the track follow. This will never be solved for any controller that relies on the MCU protocol. It was good but it’s ancient now, we have to move on :)

[@Chaz_r]

@@DomSigalas the track follow would be a God send!

[@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios]

SUPER useful video, Dom! Thank you.

[@kevinnay7379]

The SSL bundle with the UF8, UF1, and UC1 solves all the problems that individually each does not.

[@JonteWasaPer]

With FaderPort 8 you just press the rotary encoder and it syncs with the selected track in StudioOne. That should be easy to implement for the SSL UF8 also.

[@LucasMichalski]

I do have UF8 since it was released so it's been some time now. I do use Cubase Pro. I totally agree with everything you said Dom commenting UF8's good and bad sides. To be honest I only use it for faders, the rest I can do much quicker with either mouse or keyboard shortcuts or/and few of my custom macros (which I have keyboard shortcuts for)

[@harryolive1853]

Great and honest explained.

[@baxonbeatscookin]

Great video! I love your energy. I will stay on this channel a little bit longer today

[@sidewalkvids]

If you hold down the channel knob for a second or two the arrow buttons and the button in the centre becomes transport controls

Really Cool Tip thanks ;)

[@SamyKdj]

Hey Dom, thank you for your video !! To have the transport bar at the right bottom of the UF8, you just have to press & maintain the CHANNEL button and the Arrow change of colour :green for play, red for record, etc... :)

[@mgmthegrand]

Beeeeeen waiting for this review! 👐🏾🔥

[@markleyland2661]

Thanks Dom, you just saved me £1000, hopefully they will sort these issues out in the near future. I did however buy the SSL UC1 which I can't wait to use.

[@jpspoons]

I know this video is a year old now but I've just found it, very useful, thank you. I'm wondering if anyone else has tried the Qube Audio Mobi... it does a different job (channel strip controller) but it's deeply integrated with Cubase and runs on MIDI remote (and also generic remote), it's super customisable and looks nice :D

[@SkPsycho]

How to pen left and right on piano roll like when you do 808 i dont see option

[@laurencecoch6023]

I’m using a Yamaha dm2000 as a controller and it follows I got it used but 24 faders track arming all the aux and matrix select buttons select sends and cue sends for channels and the channel strip controls the Cubase channel strip. Also some soft buttons and other buttons in the master section on the dm2000

[@ViceSquad]

I have had my UF8 / UC1 for a while, Im not happy that the SSL channel strip plugin has to be in slot one In Logic Pro. When a channel strip is not in the top plugin slot, it requires a lot of button pressing to get the UC1 to follow the UF8 channel selection bringing the SSL channel plugin into view, and... don't get me started on the incredible hassle involved getting the SSL channels to run sequentially... 😕

[@rogerricks4806]

thank you for your great work...super helpful!

[@eskytube]

Yay another informative video, nice one!

[@turtlefeet7722]

Nectar CS12 has its own dedicated control surface. Wow… and it follows tracks too.

[@KUMStudio1]

Hi Dom! I think SSL UF-8 is an great high quality controller and it works perfect what it can do. But...I agree totally with you about "what it can't do" and I HOPE..SSL will listen and hear what you said in this video so thank you so much for making this one! I'm using UF-8 from the day it came out, I made some changes in SSL 360 software to fit better with Cubase and my workflow, but you said exactly what would be better if SSL work on that. Thank you!

[@DomSigalas]

Let’s hope! They were really nice on the email communication- I hope they do it and they will have Cubase users on their side :)

[@KUMStudio1]

@@DomSigalas I didn't doubt that they aren't great support and they are nice in comunication. And your idea about UF-8 can be official Cubase controller is great. I think that 2 amazing companies, Steinberg&SSL , would be a "killer combination" , but honestly, I think it will never happend unfortunately.

[@a.a486]

this is not high quality controller

[@murraywebster1228]

1m used do desks with many more faders, 8 channels is the sub/VCA/aux fader group, a pure midi controller, or even digital desk that integrates seamlessly into DAW‘s

[@CubaseAcademy]

Thanks Dom - you just saved me some cash. I was very close to selling my FP16 for a UF8. The FP16 suffers from some of the same ailments (and Mackie Control), but at least it has dedicated transport :) Also, I have found that when I need to record from another room (drum room, etc) Cubase IC Pro is excellent if you have an iPad and your DAW is on your network. I always enjoy your videos. Thank you!

[@PEDROPABLOMARIN]

Im happy with my Xtouch and my Novation lauchkey 49

[@emanuel_soundtrack]

More gear = more problems

[@lewisknudsen1]

I didn't know you were legit til I saw the moving faders 🤣

[@Velghe87]

Great vid! One helpful advice: You can automate that the Softube plugin is on every new track you make.

[@ilkiller6809]

How i can do this??

[@SomebodyPickaName]

Hey Dom, maybe midi 2.0 will be the solution for some of the controller issues you are facing. It's complicated though because not only does the DAW need to support it in terms of utilizing midi 2.0 for mixer control functions, but then also the controller needs to also be midi 2.0 compatible to have that two-way conversation with the DAW mixer. We know that midi 2.0 is backwards compatible with midi 1 but what we're talking about here is implementing 2.0 to have a two-way conversation with the surface controller such as the SSL piece. So when you click on a Cubase track, it might still use one protocol to change values as it does now, but it could also use midi 2.0 to tell it what channel you just clicked on in the DAW.

[@bthellam]

I was actually surprised that you didn't keep the Qcon Pro X! From what I've seen, it does not have the problem of the fader channels not syncing with the selected channel in Cubase.

[@a.l.recordingstudio1163]

Just to mention - the EUCON protocol has all the features you are looking for...working nowadays on AVID products. I still use the Artist series and have access to all the Cubase 12 PRO commands including all the macros and short-cuts.

[@bensmirmusic]

Does it auto bank with cubase ??

[@beku73]

13:39 I d'ont have this problem with Logic Pro x. It fallows the track I select. I never tried with Cubase but with logic it works correctly

[@mickeychang8338]

I use focus quick control and prarmeter setup with monogram for every plugin and vsti

[@vicneve1169]

You can relocate all parameters of a plugin with the remote control editor.

[@nicolaslureau8044]

For,the transport part this is why you have a foot switch input. So that you can start stop rec meters away ans busy hands

Avid Artist and S series works exactly the way you are describing you would like the SSL to work, and they work seamlessly with Cubase.

[@leseroprod]

Yeah Eucon protocol it's a game changer ❤

[@Danijel.Juraga]

Great review 👍 for me Asparion d700ft vs SSL uf8 is dilema but i don't see to much reviews for Asparion so i Will whait some time....

[@pgstudio]

Those problems were EXACTLY my problems using X-Touch + Extender. Another thing that bothers me A LOT (besides the missing auto bank function, which is Steinbergs fault. Logic does the autobank, btw) was that I HAD to read the channel name to know exactly which fader I was working on. X-Touch had coloured strips but due to Mackie Protocol limitations, the coloured strips cannot change colors. This is the reason I switched to Avid S1 + Avid Dock (much more expensive solution, but it works AMAZINGLY in Cubase). In S1, I can see the channel colors in the tablet above or in the channel buttons below the faders. It makes my mixing workflow SO much faster. I don't even need to read the channel names. For editing plugins parameters, the Dock is a blast. Very fast to reach the plugins parameters. It's an expensive solution but reliable. In the past, when using X-Touch, I did a very NERDY workaround to overcome some of those limitations of the mackie protocol using MaxMSP between Cubase and the X-Touch. So, when I press some keys on the X-Tocuh, the MIDI information would go to Max MSP.. it manipulates this MIDI info and then send it to cubase (and vice versa) making the things so much better, but still not close to what S1 + Dock has to offer. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6Syn599rtuHqZY

[@leirumanuel]

In Cubase you cannot make Track by default have incorporated any particular plugin. That would be beneficial for Softube Fader 1.

[@MarcoPrimeau]

In Magix Samplitude Pro X, you can make the controler follow the time line selects or mixer.. So clicking on a channel will bring the track on the controler. So I'd say it's a DAW problem and not controlers...

[@prionull]

Thank you for your video Dom. I own a CC121 and have also flirted with the SSL devices. But in the end, it's hard for a generic controller to top the cubase-specific integration of the CC121. If I didn't have so many different mixing plugins for EQ, compression, etc. the UF8 and UC1 combo would be exciting. But the question is also, as a digital native, do I need to bring a hybrid approach from the "old days of the SSL console" into my house. I'm used to working with a mouse and keyboard and the CC121 is the perfect complement to that. So despite the sexy products, we should always ask ourselves if it's an improvement to the workflow at all. And that's exactly what you're doing, thanks for that!

[@shayneoneill1506]

Oh wow those faders ARE fast. I've always considered the Penny and Giles faders on the old Mackie MCUs the god-mode flying faders, but that is goddamn impressive.

[@Harrysound]

I just figured out that if you set one of your layers to another DAW like ableton you can then use that layer with midi remote in Cubase and switch between them…I’m a genius. So on layer 3 for me the knobs are assigned to the quick controls

[@rossbingham7628]

It seems to me, as the CC121 has been discontinued, that Steinberg/Yamaha should design a control surface along side someone like you, Dom. Especially, as you make tutorials for them as well. Would make sense, wouldn't it? Are you able to have any input?

[@ferdinandskead9197]

That would be amazing! Instant buy.

[@stielerstudios8496]

I'm just watching your video and wanted to push a channel subscription, but I see I've done it in the past. I have UF8 and I must say I don't use it! UF8 can replace the keyboard and mouse, but not in professional projects where you need speed in ideas. The lack of functions in the buttons also let me down a bit, and some really good functions could be attributed. I think this is a good product for beginners. This is my opinion;) I'm using Nuendo 12

[@SSPMusicGroupInc]

The Avid Artist Series Contollers use Eucon and really takes advantage of what Cubase can do.

[@DomSigalas]

I know I have a friend that uses it. I will have to try it but I feel really uncomfortable relying on Avid supporting Cubase features.

[@SSPMusicGroupInc]

@@DomSigalas I get it. But I've had mine 2 artist Mixes and a control for 6 plus years. The functionality is and always been fantastic. Way more than any other controller on the market. it's not even close...(except for the Nuage ofcourse) Most of the Cubase features are supported. From what I'm told its steinberg that will have to keep up to date with the Eucon protocol.

[@J.M.81]

Dom, could you please make a video how you have linked your preference Mixer versions to the number keys ? Also have you already tried to customize the F1 - F8 ?? You should be able to do it in the Studio settings (due to the explanation in the SSL video) but as it seems it’s not possible in Cubase 12 anymore…

[@Le_Moon_]

Hi Dom, Super helpful video, even though its a little dated. Would you please share how you linked your track configurations to the 8 send \ plugin buttons on the uf8? I'm trying to figure this out as well. Best regards, H.

[@boogie2266]

Thank you for another great video! Every now and then I am thinking about another controller and UF8 came into my mind too. The thing is...I think it is just impossible to find THE perfect controller, it just doesn't exist due to the limitations like Mackie Control etc you talked about. As a result and because of my limited desk space I'll stick to my combination of keyboard, mouse, Elgato Streamdeck XL and the CC121 which overall works best for me. Oh, if anyone wants to buy an old and shattered Steinberg Houston just send me a pm. 😉

[@Fredcaramia]

Hello, I prefer by far Avid S1. With the avid S1, your faders auto bank to the selected channel in the Daw! For me it's also very important for the workflow.

[@haukenebel]

Softubes Console 1 Fader solves that problem, if you commit to the workflow 100%. Works great for me!

[@DanielRivera-wn7ne]

Hi Dom. Just want to say first that your videos are simply the best. I'm wondering how you feel about the UF8 after the release of the 360 link update. It seems they may have solved the channel select issues. Would you consider a re-review?

[@pencilguin]

Hi Dom - just wanted to suggest something for your transport controls. What I did was purchase a wireless numeric keypad - small and easy to move where you need it.

[@bthellam]

Hi Dom! Just wanted to revisit this video to ask you if you have been able to check out the Icon V1-M yet? I know you made a video on the Qcon Pro X several years ago.

[@thaexception3406]

Check the latest update because the arrows are now the playback buttons and works seamlessly! If you’re looking to pretty much mirror Cubase mixer and not use the Cubase mixer on screen as much then this is a go all the way! The channel knob is definitely the quicker way to adjust plugins versus the fader knobs and faders. My update requests are the following: Easier ways to copy and paste customizable button page setups in 360 software Make the non functioning buttons customizable Add fader db display

[@DomSigalas]

Really ? When did the update come out? Mine was on the latest when I made the video :)

[@thaexception3406]

@@DomSigalas 5 months ago, but wasn’t a huge announcement surprisingly. Here is the video link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKTdgopod8pprqs

[@QuantumComposer]

Thanks for the review. You just saved me 1000 euros.

[@emanuel_soundtrack]

14:00 in Logic you can set up for the fader bank bar follows the track selection

[@TheOneMonk]

A good review Dom as it talks about the good things. And at the same is very clear about the downsides. I think you are nailing the problem with Mackie Control based faders. Generic control. And generic is 80%. For many this is good enough. But when you want the real thing you have to go with native controllers. On this note: I love the SSL UC1 as it natively controls my SSL plugins - specific control, not generic - so it is like working on a console. But I wouldn‘t go with the UF8 for generic DAW control.

[@ktreier]

With 1.6 and plug-in mixer layer this problem goes away, since plug-in mixer layer has some cons you can seamlessly switch between it and classic Mackie Control. To me this effectively solves this problem, likely as best as we are going to get.

[@Harrysound]

Channel sync with Cubase and solo mute sync will be available in 360 1.5 apparently so it says on the website. I just ordered a uc1, I’m crazy but I just love it

[@DomSigalas]

Hey Harry! Oh wow! For real? I have to check that website, these are amazing news!

[@Harrysound]

@@DomSigalaslooks like a 6 month wait between updates at least unfortunately , it’ll pass though I’m sure. If and when it happens you could do a quick video update as a response. I might buy one if it fits the workflow.

[@toxxmoloi1873]

much appreciated 💪

[@DorianMcClintock]

Avid Dock and S1 offers much better integration with Cubase.

[@leseroprod]

Yes but the price range Its a huge different I use my Artist control with UF8 And UC1 And work perfect Especially for soft key

[@QuantumComposer]

I found the Dock pretty useless and the Eucon configuration software sucks hard.

[@bobomark4136]

Eucon need to be programmed, so that can be much more integrated..

[@gotyor]

I used to have 10 controllers controlling everything on cubase. Now I got it down to using a surface knob with special software "works like your knob" and a traktor x1 mk2 and traktor F1 remapped custom for cubase. And if I could be honest. I really just need a mouse and a knob to do everything. Left hand always on one knob and right on mouse while sitting in the sweet spot, and I work faster now than I ever did with all those controllers. I am over have big controllers, give me more room for my coffee and better for my back.

[@JM_2019]

With the latest update you have to long press the big encoder and then the arrow keys will become the transport section. In order to replace the CC1 21 you probably need to go for a single fader like Presonus Faderport or the 1 channel Behringer Fader. Even though I have a 16 channel UF-8 + UC1 setup, I‘m using the Presonus Faderport in parallel, as they are doing differnt things.

[@LaurisMarchs]

can you share how do you use uf8 and faderport exactly? trying to go with the same setup

[@LoungeAndChillMusic]

Behringer Xtouch one is not jumping straight to the fader you need so not a good choise

[@ronfrancois]

Dom.. You're right on it! At least four - as you say, "Deal Breakers" Mackie Control is an old vestige of the past and I agree.. SSL. Step up and take control! The unassigned buttons at bottom left could have been a dedicated transport control matrix. Most things could be addressed in software and firmware updates. Maybe they'll watch you're video and take some advice. I'm surprised these issues weren't spotted at the beta test stage. You were polite enough not to mention the price. But at this price point I'm expecting better integration and superior ergonomics. Thanks Dom.

[@ferdinandskead9197]

I was also wondering why on earth such a controller don't have a dedicated transport section. Think the new Icon Pro series coming out might be great option.

[@tommijazz488]

Hey Dom, great Video as always. There is an update V1.5.16. Please check if these issues have been solved regarding Cubase.And let us know Greetings from Greece

[@MCJams]

No it has not

[@ChrrZ]

great video, its impressive how fast the channel faders are, i´m also not a fan of Mackie Protocool, i´m using an Avid Artist Mix, which runs with the Eucon protocol and its great and problem like mentioned at 13:50 does not exist, if you jump with the mouse from channel 5 and select channel 483 the avid artist mix follows instantly thanks to Eucon!, i´m on cubase too. but i have to admit, the faders seems not as fast and as quiet as on the SSL UF8.

[@ChrrZ]

another cool thing is that with the avid artist mix can also control the new focus quick controls in cubase with the 8 top rotary knobs as an option, even though this unit is not the newest thing on the planet, it was amazing to see that they made it workable with the latest driver update that came automatically with cubase

[@bluematrix5001]

Maybe the follow track issue has more to do with Steinberg not allowing it than SSL, same happens with Softube’s Console 1 and Pro Tools, and softube said that is Avid that is not cooperating

[@radostinmihaylov9180]

For my mix and mastering

[@stevemountford3707]

I had an alpha track frontier (single fader) and it had a DLL which installed and gave better integration. No idea why Strindberg and other vendors don’t do this now. Fully agree with you on mackie protocol.

[@blakebrothers]

Great review and thanks for voicing the mackie control issues - a long standing frustration for me and many others. It would also be nice not to have to purchase a JL Cooper Fademaster to properly control midi/CCs, especially for orchestral libraries. I don’t understand why manufacturers don’t do deep daw integration for the most popular daws. Is it that cost prohibitive for them to develop? I dunno but it seems like they would sell way more units if they did.

[@DomSigalas]

Totally agree. Especially at this price I expect integration. A cheaper controller I can let it go but this is a luxurious piece of gear so MCU let’s it down imo

[@blahdeblah3731]

Thanks Dom, great video. Would be interested to know how did you put the 360 plug-in on each channel so the uf8 would work, manually one by one, or did you figure out away to automate it, if you did manage to automate it - do tell 😀. There was a 360 software update to 1.3 recently that put the transport buttons on bottom right so is alot better, it’s not perfect nor like a transport section but is a lot better than before.

[@OKvalosound]

Thanks for this video 🙏 IMHO, all 3rd party controller have still too many compromises. So I have to keep saving for the Nuage and the surrounding house.😅

[@ThatGuy-ru8ms]

Yamaha stopped Nuage production so you’re only looking at a secondhand market, I hope you have good luck

[@OKvalosound]

@@ThatGuy-ru8ms Thanks for this info! Too bad, didn't know that.

[@jerrylmusic]

@domsigalas What do you think about the new update from SSL regarding the controller in their 360 software which addresses a lot of your issues with this great device?

[@DomSigalas]

I am still evaluating it. Track follow still doesn’t work for me even when I have it in plug-in mode but I might be doing something wrong so I want to be 100% sure before I post something. That being said, for me this is not 100% the solution. Cubase now offers midi remote which would not require a plugin on every channel to make this work as it should. SSL would just need to create a script and they might already be doing this. However, the fact that you can turn the faders into midi cc is AMAZING!!!!

[@ande047]

Hey Dom, thanks for the vid! Lots of helpful information. I’m wondering if there’s any way SSL could upload their control template to the Cubase Midi Control. I doubt they would because the uf8 simply has too many options or program changes that are very specific. It would be sweet if they could though, that way you could keep everything the way it is but you’d be able to custom assign the “empty buttons” or the ones that do nothing to something like using the bottom left buttons to transport controls.

[@triniticoclough6387]

The other issue that I have with this controller is the mute /solo buttons being in the way of the fader ! They should be elsewhere! Also the LCD should have been OLED for clear view and no greyish backlight

[@rocmanruss]

Have you tried the Mackie MCU pro? I used it several years ago with logic and liked it. I did purchases cc121 several years ago as well.

[@chaton51]

and what about a new CC121 from steinberg ??

[@DavidComdico]

Configuration sets help a lot with fader navigation.

[@thaexception3406]

All the way and visibility agents

[@KeithMarvK]

I can see you pairing this up with the UF1.

[@DomSigalas]

Yes the UF1 looks cool but I think it still suffers from it not following the track selection in Cubase :(

[@garyjostone]

Hold down the big channel knob and the lower arrow buttons become transport controls.

[@belicakl5242]

Hello Dom, I've been considering purchasing a UF8, but after your very informative video, I'm having some second thoughts. I've been looking up Avid's S1. They have run on a different protocol called Eucon! I believe that was from their purchase of Euphonix some time ago. But, don't quote me. I was wondering if you had looked into it, and did a video? Also, since it's been almost a year since you've done THIS video, have you come across another new product that works better? Thanks 😃

[@djjuno106]

Dom could you do a comparison of the ssl uf1 and the steinberg c121 both are very similar and itd be interesting how they compare and who would win in a shoot out.

[@arturofornasari]

Hi Dom, so would you suggest to still buy a CC121 these days, If one could get it? Many thanx, Art

[@DomSigalas]

It still works flawlessly so I would probably grab one if mine broke!

[@arturofornasari]

@@DomSigalas Hi Dom, thank you for answering! :-) So I’ll do a search, in case I can find one 👍🏻

[@doyleld9164]

Hi Dom! I follow you on KZbin,and regarding the DAW Control surface for Cubase 13, I am trying to choose between the Presonus Faderport 16, the Behringer X-TOUCH Universal Control Surface and the Mackie MCU Pro USB & MIDI Control Surface, Can I please have your advice?,thank you.Doyle.

[@heikohesse4666]

hi, thanks for the video - but you already know that you can program the buttons with the ssl360 software

[@DomSigalas]

Yes of course I say it on the video!

[@stephencampbell7427]

I have UF8 and UC1 and like you said they are very good. I was on SSL web page and they have an update schedule for late spring to early summer for firmware 1.5 which is for Cubase and looks like it address the issue you are speaking about. I like the UF8 but the real diamond is UC1 and how it controlled the 360 software. In another words hands on controlled of the console 2 and console 4K B emulations. what an innovated approach to this. Hope you take a look again and include UC1 in your review. I enjoy your reviews. Stephen

[@DomSigalas]

If they do deliver on this, I am definitely making a video! And the UC1 will be more tempting for sure!

[@AlessandroBencini]

I really can’t find this on their website. Could you share a link?

[@stephencampbell7427]

Have you decided on wither you will take a another look at SSL trio? I keep checking you channel for an update. I have the UF1,UC1 and UF8 so I am sold, but I would like to hear your opinion.

[@RStevenMusic]

Eucon protocol integrates better than MCU/HUI protocol. And it belongs to Avid exclusively.

[@DomSigalas]

Yes, that’s why I haven’t tried it. I wouldn’t want to rely on Avid on supporting Cubase features.

[@G_handle]

In Defense of Mackie Control: Yes, it has been around since before most DAWs and Audio Engineers were born. But that has Pros as well as Cons. There are now, and have always been limitations with the Mackie Control protocol (as well as HUI and the Logic specific one I can't remember). However, the main problem has been How the DAWs implemented Mackie Control into thier software. See to start, the Controllers have finite physical controls. And they put out very specific signals (as well as can recieve) that are consistent, repeatable, predictable. The DAWs, and other Software are...Soft. Thier code can be Easily re-written to take those input signals, and respond However they want thier software to respond. As well as Send signals out to the hardware, knowing Exacly how the hardware will respond, because it's Hard. And because, as you pointed out, the protocol hasn't changed in Years, maybe decades. The Problem began because from the beginning the DAWs had all the power and the Controller manufacturers were trying to accommodate Them. That's why each controller has different Modes for the different DAWs, because the DAWs wouldn't change so the controllers did. And, the DAWs were all taking the position that "You need us, we don't need you! If you sell a controller, we don't make any more money. Unless..." That's where the DAW companies started to try to make, and sell, Thier Own Controllers. Makes sense, why let the outsiders make the money. Except they are Software companies, and didn't know wtf they were doing, and in the end we got Dozens of BS attempts at pieces of gear that All sounded great in marketing, but only worked with ONE piece of software, and Only one version of that software, what about software updates?, do we get new firmware?, uh oh Apple just made a new OS, quick get the DAW up to date, what about the Controllers, F-the Controllers they don't really sell anyway and we spend most of our time in support dealing with angry customers who can't get it to work...because it doesn't. So, I would argue that Over the decades, the two most successful DAW Controllers have been the Mackie Control Universal, and the Euphonix Eucon systems before Avid bought them (though to thier credit Avid did not make it totally exclusive to ProTools as we all feared and loudly protested.) The MCU protocol works in at least some capacity with Every DAW. And each DAW can, and should, get their hands on ALL of the hardware Controllers that support MCU and make sure that thier Software works well with the protocol. Support the standard, Don't change the only standard we've got. Lastly, why do you think Solid State Logic chose Mackie? They make million dollar consoles. They've been in the game so long that the words in their F-ing name "Solid State" had the same futuristic feeling back then that maybe "Digital" did in the early 2000s and maybe "Smart" or "Crypto" does now. SSL knows wtf they are doing. (You didn't even mention SSL 360 BTW) Why do you think Stienberg dropped the CC121, a fantastic controller I agree? Don't you wish SSL, or even Mackie made it?

[@andesneko]

Steinberg says the parts to make it are no longer available so they had to drop it, as I recall.

[@G_handle]

@@andesneko I hear you. Well if you recall correctly, my follow-up questions would be: Uhhh... What parts? It's a box with buttons, knobs, a fader and some jacks. All standard issue. What couldn't you find a replacement. A chip on the Board? I think they abandoned the cc121 before the pandemic, if I recall correctly. And why not build a Mark II? That thing was pretty old, I'm sure you learned a lot, and the software has evolved, why not develop the hardware evolution as well? Rather than jump ship? I think that controller in its day gave Cubase itself an edge over the competition. It was really good and tightly integrated with the software. But I don't think, that They think, it was financially worthwhile to continue. At the expense of thier users.

[@andesneko]

@@G_handle Everything you say is true. I mean, why no Mk II?

[@doflamingo85]

What desk are you using! Nice to have portico 3 in front !

[@MarcoPolux]

Hi DOM> Do not use Mackie, but instead, you easily with MIDI REMOTE in CUBASE, you create pages for all the functions you want. I did just that with my Platform M+ and it works GREAT Mechanically (the LEDs just wont work correct... and it does bother me a lot but... muscle memory wins, but then, it would be not just great but Superb, if the LEDs worked as they should) I created Pages and that is how I enable all the functionalities you described here with the UF8,

[@artysanmobile]

Surely you know SSL would love to hear from you. Find an interested party there and be a part of development. It’s entirely possible that they don’t have anyone with major Cubase chops. Find the right ‘partner’ and you could make change happen. The hardest part of all is finding that person.

[@rich_in_paradise]

Have you tried Avid's Eucon stuff? Is that any better workflow-wise?

[@alfiecrous7648]

lISTEN i HAD THE SAME PROBLEM YOU MENTIONED, TRY THE pRESONUS CONTROLLER, THE SMALL ONE, AND THE BEST PLUGIN CONTROLLER EVER IS THE mp cONTROLLER, ONCE YOU SET IT UP, YOU NEVER NEED TO DO IT AGAIN, IT WORK ON MOST OF THE PLUGINS.

[@lazebrazul]

To cycle fast between 8 channel fader bank, instead of using the bank buttons use fine/shift button + the rotary channel encoder. Even if you have 100 tracks you'll get there faster. I also suffer this not having the "follow sellected track" in the controller...