STACK & TILT | IS STACK & TILT A REVERSE PIVOT?

The term “reverse pivot” has been around in golf for as long as anyone can remember. But what does it actually mean? And why is it viewed in such a negative way?
The term “reverse pivot” seems to broadly describe the body weight of a golfer moving too much towards the target in the backswing, then moving away from the target in the downswing and follow-through. This goes against traditional wisdom that the golfer’s weight should shift away from the target on the backswing, then towards the target on the downswing and follow-through. I would strongly argue that neither of these options is optimal, nor is it what the best player’s do.
Stack & Tilt prescribes a centred turn in the backswing (no shifting of the weight back or forward), followed by a progressive shifting of the lower centre (hips) towards the target throughout the downswing and follow-through. This is the pattern demonstrated by the best players in the game as it helps them to control the number 1 fundamental - CONTACT.
The less skilled golfer struggles to control contact because they never fully learn or understand how far FORWARD their weight needs to be to be successful.
This video will explain how Stack & Tilt is most definitely NOT a reverse pivot, and how learning to fully embrace the WEIGHT FORWARD concept of Stack & Tilt will unlock your potential and transform your ball striking.
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[@damonlrice]

Rob, your example of the "reverse pivot" had me cracking up 😄

[@sandyr5195]

Rob this is a great video. I embraced Stack and Tilt about 6 months ago and it transformed my game. I will soon be 81y.o. And shoot lower than my age every 2-3 rounds. Lowest 73. Also picked up 20 yards off the tee.

[@danielmosias6280]

Rob ur a 100% correct about a lot of so called coaches being against Stack and Tilt because they only know how to follow a manual. The idea that something might be better than what their training manual recommends is far too much for their robotic minds to comprehend.

[@greggwalker302]

stake and tilt changed my life, new swing and sober now!

[@dazhwood]

Little left shifted downward strike draw 😍 beautiful ... can’t be reverse if it’s always going forward, great work as always 💪🏻

[@carlor.s.4742]

Rob Cheney, Nick Taylor, Jonathan Kim Moss, Eric Cogorno & Tom Saguto are indeed the channels I watch the most. I also watch Padraig Harrington for his tips & the way he talks(I love it!). Weight Forward indeed improved my golf game last year.

[@thomasesparza9175]

I brought the Stack & Tilt book in 2010 and it has been on my bookshelf after viewing it briefly. I was 59 and will be 70 this coming December. I started watching your videos, along with Nick Taylor, Tom Saguto, & Jess Frank, and attracted to the idea of eliminating back pains from the standard golf swing loading the body twisting for power. After two practice sessions with the S&T, I haven’t experienced any back pain at all. I now have power in my wedges which didn’t exist before! I just got a copy of the Stack & Tilt DVD’s and reviewing the instructions. I will never go back to the regular teaching of the normally accepted golf swing! 👍

[@terrypizzacala9932]

Thanks Rob. Always great information and ideas to take to the range and the course. Also a subscriber of Nick, Tom, and Eric. Stack and Tilt has been a game saver.

[@sukitkasikitvorakul9418]

👍👍👍 another super video instruction. Everytime it helps to clarify how the swing should feel and look like. Because of your video instructions I am whole heartedly convinced that Stack and Tilt is my way of golf. Thank you Rob.

[@russquick7899]

Hi Rob- Thanks for clarifying the center weight positioning. I've tended to lean too far target-wise from the book examples. This cleans it up nicely. Anxious to see the driver look. Be good, be safe.-Russ

[@stevenhodson2173]

Great video. I’m a SnT convert via KZbin thanks to you , Nick and Tom. Starting to see some good progress. Now need an improved short game to go with the more consistent ball striking .

[@EM-vt6vr]

Rob, thanks very interesting. For years I was told to get the weight on the right (trail) leg which resulted in swaying and then flipping / slicing with too much weight on the right leg at impact. Stack and tilt makes a lot a sense, will try to change and hopefully improve my ball strike.

[@rickcudmore8156]

Rob, I started practicing S&T during the winter at the indoor ranges this past winter and I believe I am seeing good results. I played golf on Tuesday after a 6 week lockdown shot an 84 and eagled a par 5. Next day I shot a 79 with 3 birdies. I'm a 12-14 handicap based on last years stats. I watch you, Tom S, Nick T, Frank G, and Jonathan K and I find all the instructions very clear and informative.

[@golferkevt]

Hey Rob, Since watching your videos my last 3 rounds have been in the 70's. I can't thank-you enough for all I have learned and what I already knew you gave me the reinforcement that I needed. An under par round is my goal this year, I know its possible with a great short game which I am working on. I like your aimpiont , chipping and sand trap videos. I never seen anyone teach your style of footing in the sand trap and it works every time, seems so easy to get the ball out and close to the hole now. I still plan on going to GolfTec once everything opens up for a fitting. If your ever in So. California, golf and lunch are on me.

[@MarkSmithhhh]

I always wondered this, the concept seems like it's a reverse pivot but I think yah, the key is you never go to your right side...start left, stay left...it really doesn't seem like it's that different than a conventional swing...it just really helps with side bend and staying centered...

[@stevedimarco4669]

Great Rob, the fear of change and lack of knowledge- Slowness to change usually means fear of the new. Sums up what i see with people when they are hesitant to try S & T. This video will really help with those folks.

[@tonybarber420]

This is revolutionary stuff for golfers! Amazing how much golf is evolving with swing philosophy although this is not new but its almost like the "golf establishment" doesnt wants us amatuers to know!

[@tonyfrostad2730]

stack and tilt is the ultimate procedure as far as I'm concerned just take some time to commit to it. but it will make you a better golfer Thanks Rob

[@tomanderson7930]

Really good Rob; People that don't like SnT simply don't understand it. I switched 3 years ago It changed my golf which was pretty good before

[@satts1949]

Excellent tip with the marker😁

[@NickTaylorGolf]

Great video Rob, and thanks for the shoutouts #networkpower 💪🏌️

[@rickzabrodski5767]

Rob. You really really really need to do a video talking specifically about “reverse angle”, not just the reverse pivot. The first is a common high handicapper problem, the latter is seen in good golfers, including Fred Couples. You can play excellent golf with a reverse spine angle but it’s not if, but when, you get lower back pain. The overdoing the hyper extension at the top of the back swing gets you more distance, but at a price, especially in the older golfer with facet joint osteoarthritis. I am a senior citizen physician, TPI certified, and former medical director at the champions tour tournament here in Calgary. I have attended SNT and worked with Andy, as well as the local Golftec folks. I have never had a reverse pivot, but I certainly tend to try and hyper extend and demonstrate a reverse spine angle when I try to hit it further. Somebody needs to clearly demonstrate online the difference between a reverse pivot and a reverse spina angle and why overdoing it in the stack and tilt swing with hyper extension can be a problem, especially, as it’s not required to play good golf. Happy to chat with you further in this regard. This remains one of the most misunderstood topics regarding golf and back pain. Dr Rick Zabrodski, Calgary

[@rickzabrodski5767]

@@golftecasia I agree. I am old but flexible. Both Steve Sieracki, and later, Andy Plummer, both pointed this personal tendency out to me years ago. That’s why I still was able to shoot 72 twice at the age of 65 during Covid, despite only taking up golf with my son in my late 40’s and being full of osteoarthritis! You are the go to KZbin golf guy that I recommend, as you give among the best detailed and anatomically precise explanations. A quick google will clearly suggest that the reverse pivot is routinely seen (mistakenly) as similar to a reverse spine angle in the backswing. The algorithm, many instructors, and several golf pundits are all wrong! We therefore need a dedicated Rob Cheney video dealing with exactly what the reverse spine angle is, and why (despite certain still photographs and the SNT instruction video of Andy working with Grant W. demonstrating an increase ball speed by doing it) it is not what you or Andy or any SNT instructor would advocate. This would help to clear up the urban myth about SnT and back pain and might prevent some future back pain. Maybe even ask Andy for his video of me in my late 50s, intentionally demonstrating how it is possible to over due it, even in an old guy! In any case, we need a definitive video from you clearing this up once and for all. I will then be happy send you a couple of Shaw Charity Classic Champions tour hats from Calgary! Thanks!

[@dominiqueg1477]

monstruously excellent !!

[@lessmith5285]

Excellent video as always. Still struggling with the "holy grail" move.

[@marcmanion4264]

Thanks Rob - great explanation and the drill is a little more sedate than Tom S!!!!

[@tonybarber420]

Tom has a great way of teaching! Gotta make it fun and engaging especially with a sport that is so demanding and takes so much discipline!

[@marcovitolo784]

Rob Excellent video at setup how much weight should be on your forward foot & should you also move your forward hip. Just a note many of the golfers I play try to talk me out of the stack n tilt method however I feel it makes sense. Thanks again

[@wilkstertwins]

Great video.

[@dfrugt]

For me anyway, a strong beginning of lhs rotation just before top of square backswing auto means ground force on lead side without "advancing down the wicket..", etc. TWO essentials with ONE good move.😮

[@TerdFerguson]

Golf Channel needs to give him a 30 minute show.

[@simonthorpe6971]

Really good vlog, thanks Rob!! The weight forward idea is something I always embraced, but I was tarred with reverse pivot, put me off it for years. So pleased it isn't a bad thing. The inside back swing tho, with shoulder down, it is just a feel thing how much inside you take the club?

[@ufukgoksu9851]

Hi Rob, great video. Thank you. I really kindly need your opinion. In backswing, I take my trailing hip back while I stay central. What else I do is: my trailing leg straightens namely. towards the target. Now my question is is it o.k to have almost no knee flex. I know that straighten of trailing leg is no problem at all but what about no knee flex at all?. What I do from this angle described above is move lateral and release my right side (right knee towards the left side ) ...So not anymore left hip turn ... This motion is giving me good results than shifting weight to the right and then to left....I would be happy to hear your thoughts. Thank you

[@gibsonjk4]

Have you ever heard of jim venetos he says weight forward is the absolute most important thing in golf and keeping the shoulders closed at and through impact ive been one of his students about 8 months and I hit the ball pretty good when I'm able to keep weight forward

[@rickpostma7932]

Hi Rob, very excellent lesson again. Thx from Germany. Could you explain to me, what is the meaning of „stack“ in „stack and tilt“?

[@MikeJones-wk5kq]

Name names Rob.... It’s call out season.

[@seniorswing8441]

Hello. More often I incorrectly revert the upper part with wedges, no matter set 80/20 up. My head tilts back ugly. Any cure or a new vid on weight transfer with short irons? You mention hips forward before left shoulder and left hip do or leaning left side ( three parts at once)?

[@rangers-qt6fx]

I’m natural righty but swing left. Tips?

[@jamesparsons5633]

"quite probably your life" lol. Actually.. can confirm.

[@mikecook8059]

At my age, 67, I'm not as flexible as I would like. Can you move your right back to make a better pivot and then follow the same fundamentals you teach, will it work? Thanks!!

[@rosworld9129]

Rob, does this apply to driver as well? I mean, except hitting the ground after ball strike? Trying to simplify my swing, instead of different swings...

[@rosworld9129]

@@golftecasia thanks Rob!

[@tonykurczycki2893]

Rob ,why does hitting off the back foot with a channel lock system/protocol also work well - there is no weight shift to the left (right hander) and the pivot point remains the right leg?

[@tonykurczycki2893]

@@golftecasia Thanks Rob

[@alainjacob3841]

Why with this method I hit balloons something with the driver ?

[@alainjacob3841]

Why with this method I hit pop shot high sometimes ?

[@colerche]

Rob here is something I found interesting and I think you might as well (unless you have already seen it): kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXPaZ4RjZ9Z5fdU . In the first part of this video, NIck (a Golftec guy as well) who was some years ago an S&T instructor (I watched a whole series of his videos back in the day) is explaining some things to Faxon about his swing. What is strange is that Faxon is in the S&T DVDs, and yet Nick is telling him to do what Mike and Andy had told him all those years ago (in this case straightening the right leg on the back swing and not lifting his arms so high--sound familiar :-)). I guess it's true that all that goes around comes around :-)

[@colerche]

PS the short answer to the question title of your video is obviously "no" (or maybe h*** no) :-). Not even close.

[@sigmet7829]

Why do you say that it does not matter that the pressure shifts to the trail foot on the backswing?

[@dazhwood]

Errrrno 😘👌🏻🇬🇧⛳️

[@stevenericlutz]

Rob is much better than TomS and EricC.

[@sandyr5195]

No question about it!

[@alvor2762]

@@golftecasia Maybe Tom would suit a younger more flexible person and not this old timer. Eric I do like to watch from time to time. Rob really keeps things simple and explains everything very clearly. He is also a very patient instructor if you have lessons with him. I think all 3 of them are good sincere men with a passion for helping all of us.

[@andybecker5001]

That golf digest article so many years ago was an abomination. Really poor job of explaining stack and tilt

[@MikeJones-wk5kq]

My guess is that a couple of the top golfing elite boys had a conversation that went something like, “Oh shit, Andy and Mike with their new bad ass Stack and Tilt thing are gonna put us outta business. What are we gonna do?”......”I know, let’s get all our mates together and across the board shit on it by calling it an injury prone reverse pivot swing system”... “Great idea Dick”.... And the sabotage campaign began.

[@tonybarber420]

Thats exactly what my comment eluded too before i saw yours!

[@manavs]

9:38 Does the pressure move, yes, does that matter NO!!!!!!!! Literally destroying years of stupid research that has ruined golfers on all tours for the past decade.

[@michaelnalpon8580]

Thank you Rob, Question: Slope shots, shoulder parallel to slope or hip level/ horizontal, which is better for senior golfer. Regards

[@EM-vt6vr]

Rob, thanks very interesting. For years I was told to get the weight on the right (trail) leg which resulted in swaying and then flipping / slicing with too much weight on the right leg at impact. Stack and tilt makes a lot a sense, will try to change and hopefully improve my ball strike.