Stacked Stun - Why Captain Falcons Nair Seems So Much Better in Project+ || PM 101

[@lumiere245]

gunz soundtrack, what a blast from the past

[@James-ek3mb]

oppa ryswick style

[@ignap]

Was thinking the same thing

[@dragonmageddon8459]

That was really interesting. Alright. Time to be a Smart-ass towards my Friends.

[@Shadrake]

Eon is the code of Project M personified

[@_fudgepop01]

I used to think I was THE PM frame data/mechanic pro. Though I built the first frame data bot, Eon has taken things far above and beyond anything like that and it’s absolutely incredible

[@jakezepeda1267]

This was great. Even though I dont play much I'm always proud of the PM community.

[@BDocc]

Awesome video! Can't wait to see more content like this

[@mttkra]

Wow, no wonder rushing down floaties is so much more reliable in PM. 11 Frames of secondary stun on top of hitstun? That's enough time for a whole new combo starter.

[@ProjectMNexus]

I should clarify, it's not 11 frames of secondary stun. There is an 11 frame window from the start of hitstun, where if they land they still remain in hitstun instead of canceling early

[@MA-ym8pl]

love this pm content, love hearing about what makes the game unique. keep making stuff like this please !

[@BlueGrovyle]

Mechanic videos are so awesome. It's astounding how much thought goes into creating games.

[@SSJPENGUIN]

This kinda content 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@acrawford01]

I like this! Please make this a series

[@meowskiii769]

YOOO IS THAT THE MF UHHHHH GUNZ SOUNDTRACK?

[@courtneyelle8247]

Super fascinating video. Good job

[@DiddyKingLP]

YO GUNZ THE DUEL SOUNDTRACKKKK

[@machinistbay]

RYSWICK STYLE

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

So is that why Wario NAir to grab or SideB also works at certain percents?

[@kylebarry2399]

This explains a lot lmao. Great video

[@vincentskater]

Loved the new video concept! I even learned something new as well! Awesome job!

[@TurbinationE]

In Melee, moves only KB stack if they have opposing X or Y knockback vectors. Otherwise, the X and Y knockback are each set individually to the higher value from the 2 moves that the character was hit with. In P+, can you stack knockback even on moves with the same knockback trajectory?

[@Eon_TAS]

That is also how stacking works in pm. The requirement for this mechanic is just that the basic conditions for knockback stacking occured, ignoring what the directions of the hits actually were, so >10 frames between the last two hits and occured while knockback still in effect from first hit.

[@bamg3943]

Amazing video! So useful!

[@anthonypicciano7934]

Make this a series and cover all the basics! Great video!

[@alloeVideo]

Chaloopy’s Falcon is siiiick

[@sduboe]

Nice.

[@666blaziken]

After 4 years, they finally fixed this! Hopefully this helps in other ways to have more options to escape out of combo scenarios as well

[@reganverses3003]

"fixed"

[@666blaziken]

@@reganverses3003 Falcon really doesn't need this.

[@JSears44]

PLEASE MAKES MORE OF THIS

[@Foxheart]

Didnt they remove falco weak dair or am I missing something?

[@SunsetBear]

No they didn’t it’s just smaller lol

[@Foxheart]

@@SunsetBear ah, thanks

[@RicardoPower]

my brain

[@st4pps]

I L O V E these :DDDDDDDDDDDDD

[@xAquae]

On the last bit (4:40) where it's talking about Falco he says "Shine -> Dair" isn't really used in Melee but it's used all the time, and then says "proper use of the weak hit of Nair", is this section a little confused? Shine-> Weak Dair would be a new thing for PM, and so would Weak Nair -> Shine or Shine -> Weak Nair or even Weak Dair -> Shine, but the video shows waveshine -> weak dair then does DD into another shine so I'm a bit confused on what's actually being represented here.

[@Checray]

I did say nair at the end but you can probably get nair to work similarly at low percents in some cases. I'm not saying it isn't used in Melee, I'm noting that in PM you get stacked stun. Giving much more frame advantage than the melee version at low percents. Particularly after the opponent lands. Notice how the fox and falco hit the ground in the example combos? They are in hitstun the entire time.

[@C_Sharp]

he's talking about experiencing the stacked stun from shine to dair in pm which does not happen in melee like he said. and yeah at the end he said weak nair instead of weak dair.

[@xAquae]

@@Checray I get it now. The way the line "Falco's shine -> dair is another common example that you'll see in PM that doesn't happen in Melee" confused me, I figured it meant "this combo is used because the stacked stun allows it to be true/a combo which doesn't work in Melee" not "there's an easier/more options for follow up because of the stacked stun giving extra frames for follow up" That may be bad on my part but I got a bit confused when we went from talking about dair to nair, which as you've established is just a mistake

[@Checray]

@@xAquae Sall good, glad I cleared that up for you

[@ramirezdan383]

Am I the only one that wants Wolf's bayonet back but with less knockback

[@vashthestampede3451]

yes

[@freddiesimmons1394]

I made a personal "4.0" to use with friends ages ago and this was the first to go

[@Bigcat_Johnson]

Does anyone know when project + first tourney will be?

[@ProjectMNexus]

Details for SFTU: smash.gg/sftu and smash.gg/sftueu

[@Bigcat_Johnson]

Project M Nexus thank you so much really appreciate it

[@ProjectMNexus]

This isn't the first tourney for p+ btw, there have been many tournaments already. This is just the most recent one

[@zachstarattack7320]

now its removed!

[@austintacious94]

This is just another in a long list of changes from melee that PM diehards would swear up and down was the exact same. FOH it's a whole new contrived mechanic!

[@Checray]

I'm not sure what makes this any more *contrived* than any other of the minutia in mechanics in Melee. It's just an engine quirk, a carry over from melee. Funnily enough, you can actually get a form of this knockback in Melee as well, but it's gated by a knockback threshold instead of requiring knockback stacking to activate. In other words, a form of this "contrived mechanic" also exists in Melee, and every other smash game for that matter. If you want to learn more about it, check out Eon's post in the description

[@kemosabi986]

3 people are brawl players

[@superluigiodyssey1337]

Wow

[@gdrgsgdgdfsfgrgdfh]

I dont understand anything

[@thatsabruhmoment17]

Ganondorf doesnt have this problem with his nair. Guess its just his low mobility that makes his nair reliable

[@DreamcastSoupYT]

Ganondorf nair is still damn good

[@DreamcastSoupYT]

And just bc a character is slow doesn’t mean they have low mobility Ganon has decent mobility

[@chocomilkfps1264]

Dont know if i am misunderstanding your comment but the mechanic shown in this video isnt a problem for Falcon, it benefits him

[@3three3three3three]

i knew life would be a strange thing going into it, but i never thought i'd see dr. mario wearing a black lives matter coat

[@jacquesl9972]

It's no wonder every character's punish game in this game is so free, lmao. Fox gets absolutely destroyed by this.

[@AndersonWave17]

So in other words it sucks More to get hit... Great. Hate that.

[@joebloggs1691]

I do this in melee all the time

[@austintacious94]

In melee upon your ECB touching the ground you go into the 4 frame (min) of landing animation. Much different

[@Checray]

The whole point was that this mechanic isn't in Melee, this is unique to pm

[@AgentOrange502]

Fortunately this doesnt exist in melee