Stacy Defends the Manosphere! You will need patience.

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[@ThemisThoth]

I reposted the video because Stacy was fighting that the manosphere was like the feminist movement. Tony (from the manosphere) was agreeing with her and commenting to agree. Tony comes up and disagrees with her… “We are fighting to not be stepfathers and vote republican.” Stacy ignores this and continues to fight saying, “the schmenz were fighting for wages and it is like feminism.” Do not be like Stacy. Tony does not know how to help you. Tony will will bring shame.

[@zeemurks6626]

🤣🤣🤣... "Do not be like Stacy" ... oh my God, I love it! Time to replace "mami" with "Stacy".

[@kimr1760]

I legitimately wanted to know how you gas lit. She is saying manophere is the same as feminism then proceeds to say she doesn't know much about the bm manosphere. Maybe she believes the -ism makes Feminism negative as well! 🩷s for you and Yanie' patience.

[@ayingi3461]

@zeemurks6626 last 3 sentences reads like a commercial. I love it.

[@chanelgarces7787]

Hello Themis! Would love to view this full live. Please and Thanks!

[@zeemurks6626]

@@ayingi3461 you said I perfectly, it really does 😂

[@kaylad1669]

Not her thinking the black manosphere is the black panthers 🤦🏽‍♀️😭🤣😂😂😂😂😂

[@mikochild2]

Complaining they aren't getting what their grandfather's had? So because they can't control us and abuse us like they did before, men have lost something? We're supposed to feel bad?

[@FASBLAQUE]

That girl isn't ready for debate. She can't even argue her own point. Looks like attention seeking to me.

[@Kelema86]

I can’t believe it took over 40 minutes of discussion for this woman to finally admit she doesn’t know wtf the manosphere is even fighting for. Voting right?! She thinks Fresh & Fit, Kevin Samuels and O’Shea and them are fighting for voting rights? 😂😂😂 I cannot.

[@ThemisThoth]

😭😭

[@christinefaulk6531]

This! Lol

[@stacierose1692]

Screaming 😂 not oshay 😭😭😂😂😂

[@seangray3730]

I acknowledge that I am unclear on what the subject is but let’s continue debating so I can fully express my freeze peach. 😂

[@VeeKayGreenerGrass]

I mean 🤷🏾‍♀️😂

[@kekepagele8135]

It's a shame she doesn't realize that the black male mansphere is fighting for the right to not be held financially or physically responsible for the children that they help create, for women to lower their standards so they can get access, for the right to go 50/50 and still be called the head of the house, for the right to eat before helpless children,

[@Angbwillinspireu]

Stacy needs to be locked in a library for a month.

[@morganhumphrey5587]

some of these misogynistic women and men need to read some feminist books and get off the manosphere groups

[@shripleypibbles]

The sad thing is she would contort ever to fit her agenda.

[@Angbwillinspireu]

​@@shripleypibbles Facts😂😂😂

[@youngcongoleseandfabulous2464]

😂😂😂😅

[@wudacudashuda_]

😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@marleneschultz9092]

Stacy don’t know the history BW never stayed at home. 😏😏

[@Angbwillinspireu]

🎯 Thank you👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@ajoyner614]

We haven't been staying at 'home' since we got off the boat. 😂

[@Ksgr867]

They always want to finish their inaccurate statements 😂

[@ThemisThoth]

😭😭😮‍💨

[@BKATwigs]

ALWAYS!!!😂

[@shenquejames7598]

I can not understand why it's being said that the men had no voice. When they have been driving culture, art, and music for the last 20 years, plus.

[@Rene-cn4jc]

Tony- that was embarrassing. You are allowed to vote republican and you can choose not to be a step father. 🤨

[@scottrogue946]

Stacy is claiming she is not a BMW but she is lightly breaded in it. I don’t understand women who go so hard for these men in the manosphere. The manosphere has done nothing but put a magnifying glass on BM degeneracy.

[@amirini24]

Lightly breaded 😂 I like that

[@KarmenAli]

@@amirini24 right! 🤣

[@veetahbee1368]

Lightly breaded is wild! 😂😂😂😂

[@dancingmango143]

​@T. H. I'm happy you've grown from your experience 🙏🏾

[@stilljocelyn_]

The manosphere bros would rip her to shreds.. taking up for men they wouldn’t piss on her if she were on fire 🔥

[@MysteriousVirScorpio]

They'd rip her to shreds even more for making their movement look even dumber than it already looks.

[@stilljocelyn_]

@@MysteriousVirScorpio 😭😂

[@tiascotty397]

I love the way Cynthia came in and cleared the room

[@bsinclair6264]

This man really said they fighting to be republicans and not be step fathers 😂😂😂😂

[@ThemisThoth]

Meanwhile a woman talking about it’s like Feminism 😮‍💨

[@bsinclair6264]

@@ThemisThoth like feminism has actually fixed inequalities on a legislative level compared to what men are crying online about. Wigs, weaves, makeup, not getting women’s attention, or being able to control women anymore.

[@iboprincess1]

She wasn't up to the task. Stacey's argument was nonsensical. BM have sided with patriarchy and yt supremacy. For subjugated group to align with the suppressive power structure does not make sense. BM don't want freedom. They just want the power to oppress. Feminism is fighting for equality for women. For BM to oppose the freedom of BW given their history of oppression makes it even worse. I don't respect any man that opposes Feminism and equal rights for women.

[@morganhumphrey5587]

If you don't know by now. Something must be up big time

[@HoneyBee-br6hi]

@@candorsspot2775 go read a book.

[@lorenzaii]

@@candorsspot2775 🤡

[@semplybalanced3210]

@@candorsspot2775weirdo troll

[@MegaFELIPE48]

​@@candorsspot2775 Tell us that you're dumb without telling us?

[@roseeze166]

Themis is so patient. This is someone pretending to sound intelligent when she sounds utterly ridiculous

[@wendiscott9881]

I was thinking the same thing….

[@WontSubmit896]

@@wendiscott9881 what live was this?

[@t_unique888]

Correct, she damn near tied her tongue in a knot with all that 🤦🏾‍♀️.

[@sumerian213]

Soooooo patient. She was talking loud in an attempt to drown out her nonsense. Literally made no sense.

[@wudacudashuda_]

I wouldn't have been as patient. She qualified for a full staff but I love the way that TNT patiently "walked the dog" 🤣🤣🤣.

[@quashawnmurphy1456]

Stacey needs to have a podcast and call it "Chaos and Confusion"

[@MissTeaq]

😂😂😂

[@FeminineAlchemyNetwork]

The Double C podcast

[@roseeze166]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😊😊

[@StopPlayingAtLife]

💀

[@gratecarma6959]

Why did I read “Chaos and Confusion” in Walter Lee Hampton’s voice? 😂

[@DustyBanditRepellant]

This Stacey character is a ball of confusion.

[@ThemisThoth]

Right😭😮‍💨

[@MoPerspective]

I can’t believe I watched 45 min of this woman waiting to hear her describe the similarities for her to end up saying “ I admit I don’t know much about the manosphere” 🤦🏾‍♀️😡

[@ThemisThoth]

Imagine how I felt 😂 😂😮‍💨

[@MoPerspective]

@@ThemisThoth 🤣🤣🤣 I can only imagine, you were extremely respectful which I respect!✊🏾🖤

[@sinceresinclair]

Girl!

[@MysteriousVirScorpio]

​@Themis & Thoth I love how you're patient and respectful, and yet you still debate like a lawyer. Very good.

[@tghamilton1079]

I knew she was clueless when she said the Black manosphere is fighting for the rights of BM. I was like, "Chil', since when? Like never." Plenty of BM in politics, the Black manosphere has dialogued w/none of them. Have they developed a list of actionable points and walked the halls of congress to lobby, like BW and other groups have? Nope, they're just online twerking in chats.

[@lorenzaii]

I have little patience for people who purposely remain ignorant.

[@user-zz4wr2hm1y]

Same

[@asiahenry7798]

Poor little Stacey needs to burn her cape before she ends up with #TheSameBlackMan. She must be young, bless her heart.

[@RawTalkCulture]

Stacey Dash Jr. was giving me a headache 🥴😅

[@chicayess]

Stacy sure sounds like Melanie King 🤔🤔

[@MissTeaq]

🤔🫢😳

[@fashionisha5924]

I swear I was picking the comments bc I was thinking the same damn thing!!!!! I thought it was just me 😅

[@joeshmoe0136]

If the black Manosphere is created to understand and fight structural inequalities against bm, why are they targeting bw?

[@cvzdez]

People need to learn to be able to say you know what I was wrong

[@ayingi3461]

Making more money doesn't make someone a bread winner.

[@luthorforpresident9353]

Correct. They don't all live with the mothers of their kids, and when they do they rarely pay more than half of the bills. Many of them don't even pay half.

[@ayingi3461]

@luthorforpresident9353 exactly. I don't know what that girl was saying. Her empathy makes her real vulnerable. Smh.

[@LovelyOne0075]

I'm 47 years old. When I was growing up in the 70s and 80s there were women who had men in the house while they were collecting welfare. They were not reporting that the men were there...some of the men worked and some didn't. That scene in Claudine with the worker coming over and her hiding his things was real life. You never heard or seen a mass of black men becoming homeless because of women putting them out in exchange for welfare. Those men were taking advantage of or benefiting from the system also. Things changed in the 90s with welfare reform where women had to go through a work program to find employment or risk losing their benefits. Men couldn't just sit in the house anymore. Women got employment, went to school, started businesses. There are alot of young people talking in these spaces, I wish they would interview people who lived 50, 60+ years ago to get a real perspective on how things really were instead of putting out misinformed and bias information like this young lady. Those men had an opportunity to work and build. A lot of them did not or chose to do so in illegal ways.They did not fight for it. Even Farrakhan tried to get them on their feet with the million man march...they gathered out there and went back to business per usual.

[@Camille4Real]

Thank you for sharing this. My grandfather was a professional boxer and when his career ended he converted the kitchen into a salon for my grandmother to do hair. She wasn't able to get a reg job, and due to his health issues he couldn't keep one. Saturdays were the busiest days. The men in town would send their wives to my grandmother to get them ready for church on Sunday. There wasn't enough money so, my grandmother would also collect. His things had to be hidden in order to do this.

[@stacierose1692]

Yes Claudine...one of my fave black 🖤 movie! Opened my eyes to the dysfunction within my own family.

[@LovelyOne0075]

@@stacierose1692 Chile..I lived in an apartment complex that was based on income. So you had those that worked and those that collected welfare. I kid you not, every family had a man and woman in the house working or not. This was 1980. The ones that were on welfare hiding the men would ask the ones working to leave his stuff in there until the case worker leaves because they knew the case worker wouldn't be going there and they did it too. And I found out this was going on all over so when men say they were put out in exchange for welfare, that's not entirely true. And if they weren't with their family they were laying up with a woman that was collecting especially if they weren't working. They were right in those houses benefiting from rent they didn't have to pay, food provided by food stamps and playing Atari/Colectovision and Nintendo or worst, out on the corner selling. And there were men who legitimately worked but did not make enough to sustain they household. So even though they feel it was a vehicle to break families apart and they use this as their rhetoric for the demise of the black family, that is not true and a slap in the face of the woman that were trying to be loyal to them.

[@stacierose1692]

@@LovelyOne0075 😭😭 Thank you on behalf of them that were lied on ,I know sum in the milk wasn't clean!!

[@AlliterativeAtheist]

@@LovelyOne0075they have modeled the same ineptitude for decades . How does that not make a person question their abilities to exercise their own faculties ? That day to day life is mental imprisonment .

[@PenelopeSnowe]

Lmaoooooooooooo i laughed SO HARD out loud when Themis had to explain that not being a stepfather doesn’t require a movement I’m dunnnnnnnzo 😂😭😭😭

[@stacierose1692]

😂😂😂I fell out the chair too!

[@candicerenae-cr1268]

STACY was a talking CONTRADICTION

[@shripleypibbles]

And she kept bringing things up just to say that’s not what the conversation is aboutlol

[@candicerenae-cr1268]

@@shripleypibbles exactly 🤣

[@heartpop]

I'm still trying to figure out what rights the manosphere is fighting for that can equate to the basic human rights that women have fought for for centuries. And to say that BM have the same struggles as BW as if men don't have a male advantage in society (all over the world) is absurd.

[@scottrogue946]

I’ve said that although BM are Blk, we are still men. We most definitely have an easier go it because of male privilege. This point further emphasizes that most BM work overtime not to amount to much.

[@chicayess]

Maybe the "right" to demand ab0rti0n or no child support. Deadbeat rights

[@zeemurks6626]

Their manly rights to subjugate women... duh! 🤣

[@em.415]

This is why intersectionality needs to be taught.

[@luthorforpresident9353]

​@@zeemurks6626 That is frighteningly true. There r videos all over YT complaining about how BM don't get respect like WM due 2 their position at the bottom of their barrel. They really feel like having a baby carrit in their pants entitles them 2 respect from women (and other men).

[@KingMike-un5vz]

Manosphere is a joke

[@jdbailey442]

WHEW!!! She is giving me a headache. After slavery BW were rarely stay at home wives because they were often the bread winners of the household. She was historically inaccurate and she was misquoting stats. I just started listening, let me finish.

[@zeemurks6626]

She's trying so hard to diss feminism in particular without having to make any actual points about feminism 😂. She just wants you to agree that bm and bw have struggles and move on. Her position being since both groups have grievances, we can falsely equate their struggles as similar or the same. The manosphere is not about liberating men from the oppression of women. It’s principally about the (re)subjugation of women following hard won gains in rights the men feel uncomfortable/unhappy about. That's the big difference.

[@1991-present]

I think this might be the one of the best summaries of the manosphere mission statement that I have ever read.

[@ThemisThoth]

They literally came and told her what they were fighting for and she decided to continue her fight and ignored what they said they were fighting for.

[@Nitra813]

Period

[@jocelyncujoh9966]

This was a great example of why Intersectionality needs to be studied by EVERYONE… 🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️

[@shenquejames7598]

Yep

[@FASBLAQUE]

Yes, for one it makes for a larger voting block. That's the most important part. Intersectionality has the right wing conservatives in a tizzy right now and they are in damage control right now. The courts are deeming their gerrymandering unconstitutional. ALL students are standing up against them and in a few years we will become victorious when the younger ones come into voting age. The manosphere are voting against female candidates and voting for white supremacists. This is how Stacy Abrams lost in Georgia. BM are so afraid of their fluid gender being exposed that they have are voting against themselves.

[@RepublicTeaRoom]

Intersectionality = ALL LIVES MATTER.

[@HonorableSienna]

This just gave me a headache. Why did she need to be reminded this conversation is about “Black manosphere” so many times.

[@ThemisThoth]

Even after they came up and told her what they were fighting for, she continued.

[@arsyoubae5092]

imagine trying to equate the black manosphere to feminism and denying that you don't have black male worship lol

[@LadyofLeisure.]

The manosphere is fighting to vote republican and to not be forced to become step father. Someone pinch me!!! 😂😂😂 is that even real? Is that what you call a fight?

[@authanjohnson2483]

Bro he is very easy to speak with and very logical she's not even listening she just ready to key up and make points

[@mars3745]

Chilllleeee I am CONVINCED she left the panel to scramble to find a new argument for her BMW....I knowww home girl did not say the manosphere is the new name for the black panthers GIRL, BFFR!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@voguehaven5154]

If waffling was a person it would be stacey.

[@TheeBratzDollxox]

Girl Stacy always come over here with the effery literally since 2021. She don’t wanna learn she wants to argue.

[@ThemisThoth]

😂😂😮‍💨

[@sweetpoptart9486]

She sounds like fresh and fit whenever Destiny or Princella puts them in their placr with actual facts. Deflection and gaslighting

[@TheeQuirkyPanda]

Omg, Princella on Fake & Fraud is the only time I agreed with a BW being on their dusty platform. She dragged the F out of these bandits. I loved every bit of it.

[@yazzy6860]

@@TheeQuirkyPanda I loved that for her and us 🎉

[@candlecane]

@@TheeQuirkyPanda Link, please?

[@MysteriousVirScorpio]

​@Berdie That was the 1st time I watched a F&F live. She splayed them. Lol

[@TititoDeBologay]

@@TheeQuirkyPanda which episode was it? I want to avoid giving Fraudulent & Fatty views, but It might just worth my time. Would You kind enough to post a link. Based on the thumbnail I can't figure out which one is it.

[@katrinaroc5491]

Idk how y’all had the patience for this lady, she’s just arguing to hear herself talk or trolling. She makes a statement then retracts it or says she didn’t make it. She keeps advocating for the black manosphere but says she’s not. An agent of chaos.

[@coloursof-autumn8650]

And then she doesn’t even understand what she is defending.

[@Jwa-fo6nb]

Sounds like my mom when it comes to abusive black men and most moms in the black community

[@niax782]

If you think about all the r-ing, and abuse of women that occurred in the blk panthers, I’d say the comparison of the blk panthers to the blk manosphere is pretty accurate.

[@TheRacqgrl769]

Themis, where do you find these people? There I was, cutting up mangoes to eat off my own chest, when this video came on. You must post a warning on your videos which states: Do not handle sharp objects or heavy machinery while watching/listening. I had a deep desire to stab the cutting board even though it had done nothing wrong. I have no idea who this woman is and I hope to never again hear her. She was ignorant and gaslighting with her idiotic circular arguments. In the end, her BM worship had her dreaming that they were warriors fighting for something meaningful. They haven't. They aren't. They won't.

[@Angbwillinspireu]

Facts! 🎉👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@layronewilliams]

You like your mangoes salty???

[@sugarwaterpurple5280]

Not cutting up mangoes to eat off your own chest girl 😂😂😂

[@TheRacqgrl769]

@@sugarwaterpurple5280 I couldn't resist since I was actually cutting up mangoes and avocados for a smoothie.

[@thestylingtwins]

😂

[@TheWirelessWoman]

Arguing with the cognitively dissonant is an exercise in futility

[@kimberlyginyard1387]

Stacy is wrong about BW staying home and taking care of the children. BW for the most part have always worked outside of the home in America.

[@sinceresinclair]

If black men had the same struggles that women had to deal with, imagine how weak that makes them look. For the most part, the only reason black men have experienced this systemic racism is because they chose to submit to another male group instead of fight. That’s their fault.

[@niax782]

🎯

[@Diamolyn]

Pickmeisha in DA HOUSE 🤡

[@phaedra5283]

She keeps talking about the Manosphere but she separating BM from it when its convenient for her argument.

[@luthorforpresident9353]

This woman said BM had similar struggles as BW. Someone please post a link 2 when BM had 2 sleep with WM 2 get jobs. When were BM struggling with DV and SA at home and SA outside the home like BW? It amazes me how ppl deny or downplay the terrible things BW have experienced. I think it's because they worship the main perpetrators of those terrible things.

[@goldenlady3495]

This comment, tho

[@VixxKong2]

I waited 40 minutes for Stacy to give her arguments just for her to say she was actually thinking about a whole other movement that's from the 70s SMH

[@aliciastalksessions]

Themis, the patience of a saint you have ..In my Yoda voice

[@shripleypibbles]

Frederick Douglas said slavery was worse for women and he was an actual slave. All the black manospere does is make endless excuses for why they should be allowed to mistreat women. The fact that some of them use slavery as one of those excuses is crazy.

[@sekhmet747]

An era NONE of them experienced. I do not f**k with these supremacist bm...they can get the same work...idgaf

[@EverydayGworl]

Themis said “I wanna see the receipts” *Whitney Houston meme* 😭🤣🤣🤣

[@Metaphysicalmindspace777]

Stacy is sooo swept up into defending guys. These are the same guys that are merking kids and women. Stacy should spend her energy helping and defending women.

[@nmhoskins]

Stacy is very frustrating!!! She is trying to say that the black manosphere is the same as civil rights leaders and the black panther party. THEY ARE NOT!!! She clearly does not understand the black manosphere. Her analysis of them is based on what they erroneously said about their objective. She has never watched a black manosphere video. If she had, she wouldn't be defending them here.

[@successfulMillennial]

I smile every time cyn pull up....I know she's about to eat up the debate. It's very obvious that Stacy is unable to debate or articulate her view points, especially when she's not knowledgeable about the topic....a straight disaster lol

[@PenelopeSnowe]

This video makes me PARCHED for sweet mango nectar to sip from the lips of a king

[@nki5ikni5i45]

Stacy on the same manosphere slow logic brain wave length 🤔. she don't know how to clearly make a point. she doesn't understand the fair game off shoots which doesn't move the goal post

[@quienbee]

Man!!! drag her arse!!! 30min mark im getting all fed up. she should have known to come correct with Themis and Cyn G...

[@starzoxoE]

BLACK WOMEN BEEN FORCE TO WORK SINCE SLAVERY EVEN THE SLAVES WERE UNDER PAID BUT THEY STILL WAS GIVING PAY! WHEN HAVE BLACK WOMEN BEEN ABLE TO JUST SIT AT HOME AND HAVE A BLACK MAN TAKE CARE OF HIS WIFE IN THE PAST? HER GRAND PARENTS BOTH WORKED AND HER GREAT GRAND PARENTS WORKED AND THEIR PARENTS ALSO WAS SLAVES WORKING.

[@purplelove3666]

PUT THE CAPE DOWN STACY! ,

[@MissTeaq]

🔥🔥🔥 Burn it‼️

[@peppermintpattie6006]

Welp, Themis…. You can’t say you didn’t try.

[@ThemisThoth]

😂😂

[@dbbw715]

She doesn’t even know what they stand for and why they are created. But at the same time she is defending and advocating for them. They were created to voice their opinions and grievances with women and relationships. Women do not oppress them. So another fact as how they are not comparable to the feminism movement. With her eyes she see the only talking points these men have are about women submitting to men and degrading single mothers even though those same men have contributed to the single mother population. I wish I was on the panel because I would have gotten her straight the first 10 minutes.

[@ashaduplessis2772]

Themis I swear you have the patience of Job. Cause wtf ma'am. BM and the Black manosphere are two separate entities and there were women in the Black panther party and the BPP fought for BLACK RIGHTS not gender exclusive rights 😑🤦🏿‍♀️

[@peppermintpattie6006]

Some people just will never get it. Such is life.

[@authanjohnson2483]

8 minutes into it she ain't said nothing she's just rambling and regurgitating information she still has not answered the question how does that compare to the feminist movement like is like she ain't have her notes ready or something

[@sumerian213]

This was so interesting and she was sooo annoying. We have to give it up to the the patient King🙌🏾, cause the way I would've hung up and blocked her silly a**...

[@bunneywolf]

You really be up here giving these people far too much rope. I sometimes feel embarrassed for them

[@WhoAuthorizedThis]

Stacy was being ridiculous because it was free.

[@GirlSaturday81]

People will just make things up to be heard.

[@ChiChivonchichi]

@themisandthoth I believe this is the 2nd time I've heard this Stacy come on arguing for black mano then admit that she doesn't even know what they stand for.

[@kimr1760]

Is this woman in the manosphere arguing for women the way she's here arguing for men.

[@boldenmywords]

"The way I was envisioning it . . . " -Stacy

[@KingMike-un5vz]

Stacey girl what are you talking about.

[@oliviaobiaja]

Please ask...because she's rambling now

[@KingMike-un5vz]

@@oliviaobiaja I was like the hell girl ain't nobody this slow like she sound a lil attractive or smart in the beginning but there is no damn comparison

[@oliviaobiaja]

@@KingMike-un5vz she does not sound attractive or smart at any point of this conversation. She sounds dense and clearly doesn't read!

[@Respectfully_]

I love how patient themis is because me personally, if we are having a conversation or debate and i ask you to clarify your point and all you're trying to do is dance around the topic, play semantics, make accusations and accuse me of gaslighting you when you're not able to back up or clarify the argument you're making is when I become agitated and may even get disrespectful because people like this Stacy person are the worst they seriously just want to waste your time. They aren't actually adhering to learning anything from these conversations they just want to argue and hear themselves talk.

[@goddessofwands9362]

From everything we were dealing with in the past??? We are still dealing with shyt as women especially as BW

[@ZariDV]

Stacy's idea of everyone "moving the goal post" is simply everyone taking her talking points to the next logical conclusion. It seems like all of her ideas exist in a vacuum where she's not allowing one belief to logically connect to anything else. Themis and Cyn were making obvious, basic connections and conclusions that anyone reasonable would make. She was acting like they were operating in bad faith by changing topics for no reason. I used to think manosphere guys did this just to be disingenuous, but now I'm wondering if that space simply attracts people who think in this way. Not necessarily out of malicious reasoning but out of the inability to connect ideas in a logical way. It also explains why they are so easily swindled by con men. You can't spot a con if you are unable to see that contradicting ideas are being sold to you. I still don't understand why she would claim someone is gaslighting because of a claim they made, yet she cannot dispute the claim they made. Worse, you lack the knowledge of the topic to even know whether their claim is right or wrong. I'm of the firm belief that not every opinion is valid. If the foundation of your opinion is based on incorrect information then your entire opinion becomes invalid. You cannot claim that feminism and the manosphere are comparible when you have no idea why the manosphere was created or what they actively fight for. It's is short sighted, immature, and dangerous to judge a movement based on what you think it might be about or what the leaders claim it's for instead of what you actually see is being done. That's how you get facism. People listening to lies being told rather than looking at the actions of the movement's leaders and followers.

[@Noise_floorxx]

This needs to be pinned.

[@MissTeaq]

🎯💯‼️

[@SoBeIt27]

It's because they all have GLOBAL DELAY SYNDROME... They are all misfits in society 😕

[@LovehardFightharder_]

How she had the audacity to try and defend something she admittedly knew nothing about , baffled me. You don’t get on a public forum not knowing what you’re talking about, then accuse someone of gaslighting what you don’t know and understand. That was dumb.

[@shondadiggins21]

This is hard to listen to because I used to think there was hope for black men but now that I’ve researched and looked through our past and current situation and I agree that we coddled them too much and therefore they haven’t evolved. We black women are guilty so guilty of this shit. These days I’m not softening up. Not until we can agree on ways we can maneuver out of white supremacy.

[@mikochild2]

Feminism started what year? Manosphere started what year? That is why history can be referenced in terms of Feminism (it's literally in history books), while it can't be in terms of manosphere.

[@starzoxoE]

YES CYNTHIA!

[@SoBeIt27]

To date, she is UNDISPUTABLE 👏🏽👏🏽

[@iretha3197]

The term breadwinner, does mean being the provider for the family.

[@RDCFemmes]

It should be

[@thetruthandnothingbutthetr6484]

In your alternate reality what does “Breadwinner” mean

[@ChildOfYAHUUH]

The manosphere have nothing in common with any movement of the past. Not feminism, not civil rights and not the Black Panthers. All of those movements fought for the rights our people needed for survival and to be progressive in society. The manosphere is not only NOT fighting for any rights but they're a part of a demographic which has created and upheld a non progressive and/or regressive society. This is largely the fault of BM by simply being present in the community they do NOTHING to add any type of benefit or value to as a collective, WHILE they majorly benefit from the community, either through crime, violence or other negative means. There's truly just no need for them to be here.

[@Gundamman]

Comares two things, then gets upset when asking why

[@rell127]

She reminds me of that person who speaks on issues she doesnt understand

[@alwaysk4354]

You have the patience of Job Themis!!!

[@sonja4164]

I don't know why this is so difficult for some BLK people to understand; the manosphere has been around *WELL* before BLK male social media participation. The manosphere is a yt male invention, and the BLK male manosphere is a sub-group.

[@Jwa-fo6nb]

Exactly they always want to be like white men even if it's harmful

[@t_unique888]

Laaaaaawd it took 45mnts of repetitive reasoning by 4 people for Stacy to understand🤯🤕. Well🤔 if she even did really.

[@sonja4164]

No disrespect to the young lady, but I think the problem is she doesn't understand the purpose of the manosphere, particularly the blk manosphere. As long as this is the case, she need not be speaking about it.

[@justmesly3]

She clearly doesnt know what the "black manosphere" is about...😂 poor thing.... She made a fool of herself She needs to do some research😮 She just wanted to hear herself talk/and or be on a panel😮

[@AmaraReyal]

Very stressful to watch

[@ThemisThoth]

Imagine having to participate 😮‍💨

[@gy7422]

What hell she talks about don't compare black women to white women I'll struggle is different from their struggles 🤨

[@charwillie1]

Lapeef is still taking applications.

[@Angbwillinspireu]

Most definitely. And, No education(or brain function) needed. Lobotomy logic & BM worship a requirement.

[@MissTeaq]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@mikochild2]

She would have done better to just list out the things the manosphere is fighting for and then say which parts are similar.

[@Crystalgardengem]

The women of the black panthers were integral to creating social safety net programs we have today, namely WiC and an assortment of others.

[@thestylingtwins]

Free breakfast program too

[@princesscherry-top5989]

Her voice sound awfully familiar. It sounds like Melanie King.

[@Angbwillinspireu]

Her voice sounds similar to Chrissie, but she would NEEEVER 😮 It may be a Midwestern accent.

[@tcg1972]

Her voice is hella annoying.

[@chicayess]

I can't unhear it now 😩

[@oliviaobiaja]

That's exactly what I said

[@lauren5930]

That is Melanie King

[@jessicakamuala293]

She can't even explain herself because she doesn't know what she's talking about and really doesn't have the vocabulary to speak depth into this matter at all... she should read more

[@peacefreedom4930]

I believe I’m losing brain cells. I’m at 28 minutes in and I still don’t know Stacy’s point. I feel like she took me on a ride up and down and around and around, evading all attempts to pin her down. She is extremely talented in evasive communication style. If a group of people are passionate about being heard they usually have a message they want to spread. 1. What is the manosphere’s message? 2. How is their “ movement “ comparable to the feminist movement? These are the questions I hope Stacy will finally answer in the next 10 minutes.

[@teeteeinwonderland8821]

I think she made a lot of assumptions and doesn’t really know what the nano sphere is about at all😢