Stalled Train Needs Helper Locomotive To Push Train Up Steep Hill! 2 Trains Working Hard On Hill!

[@billmorris2613]

Good morning to all from SE Louisiana 31 Oct 22.

[@michaelhewitt258]

Good Morning from Kalamazoo Michigan Happy Halloween 👽🤯

[@dotell3359]

Good morning from Wyandotte Michigan and Happy Halloween 🎃

[@billmorris2613]

@@michaelhewitt258 👍👍👍👍👍

[@billmorris2613]

@@dotell3359 👍👍👍👍👍

[@williamcoulston7788]

Afternoon bill from Metairie la and happy Halloween 🎃👻

[@nancyhodges444]

What a show of awesome power by those NS locomotives to get their trains up and down that steep grade on the famous rathole. Three cool trains in all, and one needed help up this grade. Thanks for the same effort u give in making these videos in the same way these locomotives do in keeping their trains moving. Thanks again JT

[@dannymacnevin3939]

You know what impressed me most, is train number 2. That sucker was huge!!! And only had 2 loco's on it. Can you imagine the strain on the first coupler after the locomotive? Goes to show just how strong those things are! Great video. Thanks for sharing.

[@ronaldgarthoff2016]

Jt, I also counted 88 cars on the first train and 100 on the 2nd. Great videos, 👍 Thanks RG

[@emwungarand]

That train had brand new rebuilt Dash-9 locos. NS calls them AC44C6M. 4,400hp AC tractive locos, very strong.

[@dennisellis876]

Hey Jawtooth. Everytime you are on the "rathole", it reminds me of stories my Mom would tell me. My parents lived in Chattanooga during WW2 and she would take the Southern to Cincinnati to visit relatives. The trains were so packed with soldiers that she stood most of the trip.

[@ronaldgarthoff2016]

I can also remember riding Troop Trains from Baltimore to Harrisburg, then on to Altoona to visit relatives.

[@sanddabz5635]

That is a nice memory!

[@trainchasersatwork]

Enjoyed watching! Happy railfanning!

[@JawTooth]

Thank you very much!

[@dougblalock5175]

I could have used that DPU last Saturday to get my old butt to the top of Kennesaw mountain. Love seeing the Fall colors in the train videos. Ready for snow trains now. Awesome video Jawtooth! Thank you again for all the effort.

[@larrydenomme8567]

Great video JT! Steep grades out of that rat hole line for sure. Happy Halloween and thanks for working as hard as those locomotives!👍

[@JawTooth]

Thanks! You too!

[@danslejardindecytrus]

Merci beaucoup pour cette très belle vidéo ! 👍👍Thank you very much! 🙏🙏

[@chrisbrown456]

Watching this is the perfect way to start the day

[@jdmacduff1444]

JT This is a terrific video; the power of these locomotives is unmatched in my opinion. A beautiful day with great scenery! Thanks.

[@JawTooth]

Many thanks!

[@glloyd1987]

That was some awesome sound on that first one! Live action! Thanks for the entertainment my friend

[@JawTooth]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@andyrichardsvideovlogs8835]

Great video, 3 excellent trains. In the UK when a locomotive is called in to assist a train up a hill it is called 'Banking'. The Banker though is not tied on to the train and literally just pushes so that it can drop back when the train no longer needs assistance. It then runs back down the line to the bottom or where it is being stabled.

[@robt2151]

The Lickey Incline south of Birmingham was famous for that.

[@trobertson1825]

What kinda duck is that

[@BudgieJane]

@@trobertson1825 A hungry one.

[@stevenbrindley2469]

Me again from England, UK. That first grain train was really good, three big GE's flat out up front and another working hard on the rear. Second train too flat out, fantastic videos.

[@JawTooth]

Many thanks!

[@toddselph5992]

That's a great spot! That was cool to see those engines working hard to get up that grade. Great video!

[@katsmeow2775]

Keep Norfie inside for Halloween! People get weird about black cats!

[@althunder4269]

Love that rat hole line !

[@rtclarkb9815]

The STN I believe stands for the Bethehem steel Corp. located in STEELTON PA. You should come to Harrisburg Pa. to see almost continuous Norfolk Southern action on their east and west rails.

[@stevestebbins4933]

You can see how large that grade is in the first train. That is one very steep grade coming up. Great video

[@JawTooth]

Yes, thanks for watching !

[@katsmeow2775]

Totally awesome!

[@JawTooth]

Thanks!

[@edcochran9188]

Remember, what goes up must come down. It’s just as difficult to control it once you crest the hill and get onto the downhill slope. I have worked on the mountain in Altoona around the Horseshoe Curve. If you stall out you need to put the air on right away bc it will start to drag you back down 😮

[@Eddy63]

Good job Son ... Love the Locomotives ... Thx ... Off to another one 👍

[@JawTooth]

Glad you like them!

[@draff1662]

It must be freaky to be driving an engine and have it stall out on an incline! Have you ever been at Horseshoe Curve? I understand they may add helpers there all the time. A series of videos by you from there would be wonderful. I love it when Norfie and Chessie play gently. Thanks, Jaw Tooth.

[@MrDan708]

JT has covered the Horseshoe Curve in the past, and yes it's common to see 2 helpers at the back of locos.

[@JawTooth]

Yes, I love Horseshoe Curve. I didn't go this year. I have a really good video of a locomotive with fire coming out of the top of it from Cassandra Pennsylvania which is near Horseshoe.

[@ronaldgarthoff2016]

NS can be found at most anytime on the Horse Curve either with 2 helpers shoving or breaking. I lived in Altoona when STEAM was the big mover & witnessed some of the transition to diesel. I watched the steam locomotive 1361 K4s being placed on the Curve & also helped raise funds for her RESTORATION. I also rode the train to Bellefonte, PA & back on her 1st trip. LOVE STEAM & RAILROADS.

[@ronaldgarthoff2016]

Sorry about the missed word!!! 😔 Should be Horseshoe Curve. 😆 🤣. Keep those videos coming JT & THANKS

[@billmorris2613]

D Raff; FYI; We don’t drive engines, trains, planes, and sometimes boats or ships. We run engines and trains, fly airplanes, pilot boats and ships. But sometimes they call it driving a racing boat or small pleasure boats, and I have heard of driving a submarine, etc. I did not find it freaky at all to stall out on an incline. We usually know it’s going to happen before we start up the grade. But when management instructs us to try it any way, I don’t argue with them unless what they instruct me to do is dangerous. And it’s more of a discussion than an argument. And I know how to win that discussion. FYI A teaching moment: Our only grade was the Huey P. Long Bridge over the Mississippi River just up stream from New Orleans, LA. It has a 1.25% grade and requires 1, yes one, horsepower per ton to make it over the crest. Unless the tonnage is over 10,000 tons and I have 10,000 horsepower I can make it over the crest. But if I had 15,000 tons and 20,000 horsepower I would need pushers, or now they could have DPUs in the middle or on the rear, to get over the crest. The reason is that over 10,000 tons over stresses the knuckle on the rear of the engine. With out pushers, just about the time or jut before the rear of a 15,000 ton train gets on the bridge a knuckle will break somewhere near the head end of the train.

[@Hyrev1]

Great trains! Great video JT!👍👍💪

[@CloroxOfficial]

Rat hole line is just amazing with steep grades and great trains

[@JawTooth]

Agreed!

[@timothyslepetz1502]

You would think NS RR would add extra locomotives in the yard before departure knowing how steep the coming hills are and how the locomotives are over-worked with the long & heavy trains. Thanks for the great videos. Very enjoyable. Yes yes!

[@BeeLineEast]

Cool video. Thumbs up. A lot of weight to push up that hill.

[@Phantom-Signal]

1st🥇. Great video as ALWAYS sir! Happy Halloween JT.

[@jameschristiansson3137]

Congrats, subbed.

[@johannleuckx1625]

Beautiful video JT in the warm light of the Indian Summer! Many greetings from Belgium!

[@JawTooth]

Thank you very much!

[@robbiehernandez1666]

Chessie plays well with Norfie! Noticed my Maggie was watching them this morning. Nice to see you holding the kitty. Nice Autumn colors and blue sky! ★★★★★

[@JawTooth]

Thanks for watching!

[@kcgrailgilbert8466]

@@JawTooth those NS AC44C6M locomotives r so epic

[@michaelhewitt258]

Great video JawTooth Happy Halloween 👽 Don't eat too much candy 🍬

[@JawTooth]

Thanks! You too!

[@markwalker1144]

A railfan special, awesome trains. Great job! Thank you.

[@JawTooth]

Thank you very much!

[@derekreuben7273]

That's Why They Call Today's Railroading Hunter Harrison Specials!!!!! The Super Longer the Better!!!!!!

[@JawTooth]

I have filmed a few that were almost 3 miles long

[@LONEWLF]

GM 🔆

[@Bhil3]

I guess someone miscalculated if they has to bring on a helper locomotive. I really enjoy your videos, and look forward to seeing them in my subscriber feed.

[@JawTooth]

Thank you very much!

[@dirkvanelteren5234]

Hi JT, I love the sound off the raw diesel motors. Pure power. Thanks for this video 🙏🏻

[@JawTooth]

My pleasure!

[@saddletramp1860]

I think I can, I think I can, I think I can.

[@stevenpitts6665]

Nice Hammer Head on the rear! Great video JT.

[@JawTooth]

Thanks 👍

[@billmorris2613]

The rail rolled in 2007 has 11 dashes for Nov, the rail rolled in 2020 has 10 dashes for Oct.

[@Howoldareweanywayyipes]

I'm halfway through your video and i already wonder how your duck is doing. lol

[@katsmeow2775]

😄

[@shaunclayton8923]

When I was a kid, I lived in upstate NY, near a railroad track. Occasionally my school bus would have to wait for trains at the crossing. Back in the old Conrail days.

[@grisslebear]

Gives a good perspective on how steep that grade coming up outta Ludlow. is when a 3-unit head couldn't get up without help.

[@SpeciaK2954]

Great viewing JT, Happy Halloween 💀🐈‍⬛🕷🎃

[@richarddelgado8913]

As always what an awesome and informative video...

[@JawTooth]

Glad you liked it!

[@jmeier37]

NS 1808 SD70MAC “DC TO AC” love it!!! real power

[@BeeLineEast]

Got me on the STN rail. I know the Mittal rail I was working there when that one was rolled. Cleveland Cliffs bought the rail mill from Mittal a few years ago. Maybe STN is the new Cleveland Cliffs brand ?

[@stephenpienta7430]

Steelton (STN) rolling mill was a division of Bethlehem Steel. ArcelorMittal acquired it in 2007. Cleveland Cliffs bought it in 2020 and currently operates the mill.

[@BeeLineEast]

@@stephenpienta7430 Yes I know I worked there for 43 years. Worked in the Frog and Switch till 1992. Then when Bethlehem closed the Frog and Switch I went to the rail mill to work in the Rail rolling mill till 2014. Thanks for the comment.

[@billmorris2613]

FYI: A teaching moment. The gross weight of each cars is 286,000 lbs. One obtains this number by adding the LT WT (light weight) which is the weight of the car when empty, to the LD LMT (load limit) which is the weight of the cargo inside or on the car. This equals 143 tons per car, for a gross weight of the cars of 12,441 tons. The 111 tons is the load limit. Which is how much cargo the car can carry.

[@kasmarj1]

I counted 88 cars.

[@jdmacduff1444]

Thank you Bill, Joseph for the information.

[@billmorris2613]

Joseph the 1st train has 87 cars, I counted them twice.

[@ricgal50]

I counted 87 grain cars in the first train, 3 engines on the head plus the helper. The mixed freight was about 101 cars pulled by two locos, and the intermodal was 119 cars (about 8 were empty) pulled by three locos. BTW, which way is uphill?

[@williamrust3994]

Back when I worked for the UP, the cargo weight was 100 tons nominal for coal and grain (and potash for that matter). The cars might have a higher capacity but it wasn't used.

[@mrgone658]

That DPU on the first train was growling mad...😠...gettin' the job done!

[@bstevens9831]

111 tons per hopper car is impressive. Didn't count the hoppers but no wonder the third loco is needed. Thanks for the video JT!

[@johnsabik5575]

I really loved the first train. Love seeing all that power pulling and struggling. You shot it so well! The sky was really blue. Good job!

[@alanpearce9071]

Those locomotives sure do have large fuel tanks!

[@robertbailey369]

👍🙂🇺🇸 Tyvm for your time great video

[@JawTooth]

Thanks for watching!

[@derekreuben7273]

Even Hunter Harrison Specials, Need That Tractive Effort And That Push To Get It Over The Road

[@Chic047]

Hey Jaw Tooth!! The Rat Hole line...Man, that was a long grain train. DPU Woo!! That last GEVO was working hard to push. Lots of sand!! Some hard working trains today. Another long manifest. Lucky catch on the 3rd one. Hey Norfie!, Dupps!! Chessie! The best railfan dog on KZbin!! Such a sweet girl.

[@JawTooth]

Thanks 👍 I really appreciate your support!

[@Tom-xe9iq]

Been watching your videos now for 5+years. They just seem to get better and better!

[@JawTooth]

Thanks for your support!

[@tamugrad2007]

Appears to be at least a 200 ft. elevation change from the river to where you are filming. That is over about 4 miles of track which represents about a 1% grade. Still pretty steep. Looks like the top is near where the track curves to the right going south.

[@randymcneely4983]

By the time the last car has left the Cincy yard the lead engines are well up the grade too.

[@martinmarsola6477]

Thanks Mike!

[@JawTooth]

You bet!

[@jamessimmons1888]

Good video Jawtooth

[@JawTooth]

Thanks!

[@chrisryan5339]

Entertaining as always thanks. Chris from England.

[@JawTooth]

Thanks 👍

[@kcgrailgilbert8466]

I like those NS grain trains they r so epic

[@shawnpowell5876]

Great catch of the NS Grain train! I had to count this bcuz the curiosity was killing me to know how much weight was making them struggle up this hill. I counted 88 hopper cars too. And without knowing the total weight of each car is was going to guess the total being roughly 20million lbs.

[@drgwnut]

No - that cannot be right. That would work out to 880,000 tons. Four engines up a 1% grade could only pull about 15,000 tons or so. So maybe 170 tons each = 340,000 pounds loaded. According to the internet (which is never wrong) the average grain car LOADED is about 225,000 lbs or 112 tons. So 88 cars = about 9900 tons total. That seems about right. In my neck of the woods, some of the freights struggle when they start approaching 10,000 tons. And that is on flat terrain.

[@kathykisner5154]

Awesome video! We appreciate your efforts! Putting together a list of railfan towns we want to visit! Please keep them coming!

[@JawTooth]

Thanks! Will do!

[@paulbergen9114]

Another beautiful day to be Trackside in the autumn. Even the newest power can't always cut it on stiff grades and sometimes finding a spare crew or engine for push can be difficult. Keeping with the pattern of BNSF and CSX the premiere green trains have the newest cylindrical covered hoppers and this one only had six with the Thoroughbred emblem and the additional 81 cars had the previous livery. So unless there's a major defect these cars can run together for quite a number of trips and often times don't even leave home rails. As for the animal kingdom the Diligent Duck keeps a wary eye on The Crafty Cat. The Feisty Feline tries a Canine leg Clamp followed by a mouth and jaw compression. So with all the wild people out tonight make sure the animals are all safely inside sipping cider. Sand flying in Run 8 with plenty of noise. That's living!

[@skimmer8774]

I wonder if the engineers get in trouble with the boss for not having enough power. The hill is a favorite for me.

[@r_mon_e]

The engineers doesn’t decide on how much power, they are told what to do.

[@williamchristy8123]

Good Afternoon Jaw Tooth.

[@stevegilliam8712]

That’s where my granddaughter and I railfan from , right by that bush . Can get good angles , up and down . She likes her trains ! Your videos pique her interest . Thanks

[@JawTooth]

That's awesome! I'm glad we have some new rail fans keeping the hobby going. Maybe I will run into you there

[@petebachelder1131]

That was cool, seeing such a heavy train, I figured that would have used at least two DPU's on the rear. Yup that second train was pulling hard too !! Wow !! Awesome live action on the rathole !! 👍👍👍

[@JawTooth]

Cool, thanks!

[@ronaldsteele6151]

Dang Jaw tooth don't know what is more impressive The amount of train's you catch to video or The behemoth size of some of these trains. Most reach 100-150 car's. Great job no the less

[@КлимЯрко-й9м]

Great video , as always . Jaw Tooth - the best ! We love you . Keep going in the same style .

[@kimscheie]

87 grainers...how many will that feed ? Incredible farmers ...wish they ran the world ,smart folk . Great show of dash 9 power ...I think ...learning sir ..thx

[@johnchamberlain9512]

Years ago I would take an excursion run with the 611 steam engine pulling us up this hill she also needed a helper to get it done

[@jeremypreece870]

Hello again from the UK. I am surprised that DPUs are not standard on long trains going up hills this steep. During lockdown I watched a lot of American Rail videos including explanations of the DPU Distributed Power Units. When you see locomotives at the front of a long train that is going up hill, the stress of the couplings (or knuckles) in the front portion, is huge as they pull the weight of many thousands of tons up a hill. The whole point of DPUs is that they distribute that stress to two or three parts of the train. This section of track is a candidate for DPUs middle and rear of the train I would have thought.

[@brianhickey5949]

I bet they use a lot of sand on that hill - wow! That second train was so long I was sure there would be a DPU - but no! The same goes for that last train. Amazing - that big hill and they just use a three engine lashup :) Always cool stuff on that hill!

[@JawTooth]

Thanks for watching!

[@andrefane5499]

Amazing videos Jaw Tooth keep up the good work

[@JawTooth]

Glad you like them!

[@spokanetomcat1]

136 RE STN 2020 keeps taking me to a Chinese rail manufacturer.

[@johnsterling7420]

Great catches JT 👍👌😇🇺🇸🙏

[@JawTooth]

Thanks 👍

[@gaborandrejszki2553]

Hey Brian! 1st train: 87 wagon 2.train: 101 wagon. 3st train: ca 100 wagon!

[@JawTooth]

Thanks for the info!

[@gaborandrejszki2553]

@@JawTooth Hi Brian! You're welcome!

[@Howoldareweanywayyipes]

Special Traffic Notice... STN.

[@johnconnolly6011]

Duck is hiding her food.

[@carypyke935]

Great action !!

[@JawTooth]

Thanks!

[@johnfick6347]

Too much to count! Love it!

[@denisetindall1487]

I like train videos videos on KZbin jawtooth 👍

[@donharsh1503]

Awesome power to awesome video too watching enjoying and enjoy the side show too AWESOME VIDEO Jaw Tooth 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😃😎❤️ beautiful country too

[@JawTooth]

Thanks for the visit

[@stevegilliam8712]

Thanks Brian (Jaw Tooth ) ! Our favorite spot .

[@JawTooth]

Mine too!

[@Doing_it_right_the_first_time]

Seems to me like that third engine of the consist, # 9544 was not making any power since there was no smoke or heat coming out of the stack at all(add around the two minute in 17 second mark) where as the other ones they were leaving a heat and a discernible smoke trail.

[@DJ279V]

Cool catches on that hill!!

[@robertlear9168]

Great vido Jaw Thoth thanks for sharing Ont canada

[@williamsantangelo]

Hi Jaw Tooth the train Gods have blessed you yet again be well!!! Happy Halloween 🎃 to you all!

[@wilburroth5150]

NS sure asks a lot from their loco`s. When I was a kid I just wanted to get home from school so I could go out and play!! Hahaha.

[@MillerMeteor74]

87 cars on that first train. 10 on the second train. 120 on the third train. I was in public school from Kindergarten through 5th, and our bus went over railroad tracks, but I don't remember the bus ever having to stop for a train.

[@141runn]

hard to believe those little springs can hold the weight they do

[@craigpalmer3528]

It's takes men power other locomotive back up deep rail all grain cars two miles long slow speed no rush take their time heavy stuff eleven tons of steel inside weather is blue sky in Kentucky jaw tooth bless you keep bringing new videos sit back relax

[@johnemanolis]

Another great video. Especially the empty freight train. B.T.W. when do you think you will go back to the old "Shoo Fly" ?

[@mikeashely8198]

All the hard-working those Local Motors are doing I have yet seen any sweat pour off of them haha

[@Howoldareweanywayyipes]

Try this... Lindsey Stirling original shadows... cool as your train videos. Show this to your wife and kids...

[@davidfarrell7318]

the cat definitely has flees or ticks in her coat you can see how much it annoys her.

[@JawTooth]

We just treated her and the dogs. I have not seen any fleas or ticks on her though

[@davidfarrell7318]

ok no problem

[@VlakynaSlovensku]

Amazing railway video!!

[@JawTooth]

Thank you very much!

[@poowg2657]

Management tried to do it cheap and it bit them in the rear, literally. The crew probably knew they were short of power from the get go.

[@garymessina1609]

Great grade great location great video thanks jaw tooth

[@JawTooth]

Thanks 👍

[@billxam2674]

The names were changed to protect the innocent. Got out my mechanical counter. 101 cars on the 2nd train.

[@AndreiTupolev]

I like the Eagle circling overhead around2:50.