STANDARDS AND CONSISTENCY WE WANT BOTH!

[@NatiDiscGolf]

Enjoy your thoughts for sure. Since we are the TDs for Idlewild I'm glad that some of your issues are taken care of well here. Parking for players a 2 minute walk to 1s tee, warm up area a 2 minute walk to 1s tee, and a County Park that takes pride in keeping the course manicured.

[@NickCarroll]

Heck yeah! Love to see it. Thank you!

[@crunchy_dg1191]

Please tell me you guys were able to get the Galvanized Veterans. They make such a huge difference and I would hate to see another compilation this year of cut throughs/spit outs. (It's been a couple months since Ive been able to play the course)

[@mikehill6579]

@@crunchy_dg1191 Putt better

[@AdamJ4DG]

@@crunchy_dg1191 yes, we are getting those

[@Grannyknockers]

For the next sit-n-talk you should sit by a fire in a lavender robe with a stogie in hand and give us a good ol Gibson Fireside Chat.

[@SkeletorJenkins]

Absolutely. Every "elite professional" should own a quality smoking jacket and a spare.

[@MeantForNothing]

I think respecting the state park rules on course maintenance is very important and somewhat what makes discgolf much better than golf, discgolf courses dont need too much landscaping and such to be good, the environmental impact is limited which is nice

[@MeantForNothing]

that said im not on tour so i dont really have a say

[@kieronmckay4276]

I would say yes on a casual level that is probably true, or a local C Tier probably true as well…on the pro tour level, I think that’s probably not okay on a broad level. For any single event maybe…like the GK Pro stuff in New Zealand, but everyone went to that lord of the rings forest event knowing exactly what they were walking into, and it wasn’t a pro tour event…and it never could have been either because of where it was located and no one could cut down even a single leaf in course designing and nothing could be permanent. It’s a hard ask for every event to be like that though, and in most cases they aren’t asking for giant changes, it’s like trimming some overgrown limbs and undergrowth that’ll be back in under a season.

[@paulstiller6239]

I love how Drew tells it like it is, pointing out glaring faults like poor baskets and non manicured grounds need to be a part of the conversation, bravo!

[@MessyLio10]

Drew doesn't actually care he just complains about everything he can think of because it gets clicks from today's entitled and whiny society. He isn't even on tour playing these events.

[@thajakemaker]

I 1000% agree with everything you said! Up here in Minnesota, even some regular parks are letting the grass grow almost as tall as you as being “the rough“, having players look for their discs when they had a good throw just a bad little 10 foot bounce…. For hours, beginners losing their discs ,it’s turning them away from the sport, frustrating all players waiting for several back ups.. the maintenance that is not being done in the area parks is embarrassing!

[@GarrettKobriger]

For real this is honestly one of the most annoying parts, and I definitely agree trying to introduce someone to the sport and 6 out of the 18 holes you have to look for your disc for 10 minutes kills the interest

[@ryanlemaster1113]

I agree 100%. If these venues can’t put any effort into preparing their courses for the pro tour, or any tournament at that, why ever host anything?

[@mindful_clip]

They make money, sell plastic, and create social media posts. No one cares about a clean course.. thats an expense. The more we whine.. the more the wine and dine. That was lame.. But they don't care. OR the course would be cleaned up and everything would be perfect. Please.. Disc "Disney" Golf. You're not wrong... but we just know how it goes. Hence, the need to vent from Drew, yourself, and those who play and suffer from it.

[@TabsMcGee]

Where would the money for all this maintenance come from? ESPN the ocho?

[@mawage666]

If you can afford to put up baskets and tee pads, you can afford a lawnmower and a weed whacker. It's not that expensive.

[@HaikesXO]

Just playing devils advocate, but I think we’re in this bubble where we think the sport is bigger than it is. When I tell people there’s even professional disc golfers they are shocked. Let alone live coverage week in and week out. I know it could be better but disc golf compared to even 2010-2015 has come a long way.

[@Alcofrisbas]

100% agree with your points, I feel like if the tour makes these changes they should also expect their players to act like professional athletes in terms of how they approach training/competition

[@seraphdiscgolf]

Vendors should be able to use the parking lot close to the course to unload & once they're done, park off property to leave the parking lot open to players. They can take the shuttle back, instead of them parking there 10+ hours. Crazy that it seems vendors are getting priority over players.

[@Katiem1234]

imagine having crusty vanlife village right by the first hole. And as a paying spectator being asked to walk the ten minutes to go buy lunch. Or as a vender setting up shop in a dead parking lot. Hahahahha

[@OneHippiesMusings]

Vendors would be set up on site, no walking off site necessary. And these folks don't set up a shanty town, they have modernized vans that are nicer than an apt in NYC. Crusty Vanlife Village... C'mon now..

[@Katiem1234]

@@OneHippiesMusings no matter how nice the rig.. if I’m traveling from city to city playing disc golf in the heat … she’s bound to get crusty.

[@therealjwil5]

Drew you cant park by hole 1 unless you want to stay till 7pm at BSF. You know this. The genius hole plays through there the entire day. Also the practice spot is right behind hole 1.

[@DakotaSheldon]

I agree with a lot of your thoughts about course maintenance. A lot of courses are maintained by volunteers or local players which makes things difficult. At the highest level of play I think the DGPT could have a crew that comes through and gets the course in a respectable condition. Dealing with the restrictions of the land owners is certainly a challenge. I've seen discussion about the PGA buying their courses they play so they have final say in the conditions, something the DGPT could consider is buying the land. It's an investment in the game and some kind of return they could have if things go under. Like a fast food chain always having the land the buildings are on to fall back on. Private course owners being more involved in the tour is something to consider as well. A course like Olympus which is privately owned by a player on the tour, working with the pro tour weeks or months in advance on changes and standards.

[@leonitis0961]

Just another reason why im a drewbe doo fan Dude just says it how it is

[@stopdropro]

The way the players would be hear is to have a players union. Where the players would have a voice for playing conditions and safety. Think about how much quality of life changes will occur when it's bind by contract.

[@jamesbenton4123]

That would mean the tour would end.

[@ThugLifeBitches1]

Unions are always a bad idea. They sound good on paper but never play out like you think they will, they get involved and will gouge the pdga until they can’t afford to pay anyone and it will go under. It’s mafia tactics

[@billieashton8302]

You're truly on point, Drew! It's great to see you speak up and take a stand on some of these important issues. I'm sure Pro players like yourself and others have expressed some of these concerns with Jeff Spring and other DGPT Executive Staff members, too. Perhaps, it would be a great time for the DGPT to officially create a tour type standardized committee made up of selected touring pros that have deep concerns to help improve and enhance a universal vision on things, like yourself! Just my 2 cents! Keep up the drive to move our sport forward!

[@kyle0588]

I agree with you but I think your forgetting that disc golf is still a grass roots sport. The winner of the world championships gets 30 grand . The sport is not on the scale where hundreds of thousands of dollars can go into infrastructure.

[@robertgordon8912]

I think Drew understands that this is a thing. He’s not expecting things to change immediately. This video is to simply raise awareness. Change can’t come around if the flaws aren’t being addressed

[@jonjonsson4270]

Vendors have tons of equipment that can't really be transported by shuttle, and provide food and services for fans and players alike. Disc golf is best in parks and forested areas that just don't have much parking. We really don't want to see it move to all ball golf courses. Less parking lots in the world is better. I think having shuttles drop players at hole 1 is a must. You shouldn't have to walk a mile to get prepped.

[@RustySeatbelt]

To that note, if a player makes the shuttle that should be good enough to replace the 5-minute check-in. If players are stressed about being stroked for an arbitrary 5-minutes then that makes them tense, reduces fan interactions, and has a chilling effect on the good vibes of the event overall.

[@clintsawyer7702]

Yeah, most of his comments in here were good, but the stuff on vendors is complete nonsense stupid.

[@CertifiedCircleChucker]

Drew you’re the man! Always telling it how it is or at least how you see it from your point of view! Love the content! I get pumped watching you throw and listening to your insights! Very great speaker! Hugh Frisbin could have given such a hilarious insight on these topics but thank you! 🙏🏼

[@DiscGolfAU]

Well said Drew. As a safety professional I agree with your comments with regards to maintenance and the tee pads. If there are pop up courses I would not expect permanent tee pads; however, would expect the tees to be safe and maintained through out the tournament.

[@mbts500]

Pretty solid takes today from Drew

[@woodwindfixer9248]

My impression from the cheap seats is the DGPT is either micromanaging or taking a laissez faire attitude and overly relying on grassroots volunteers to make things a success… and then micromanaging the things that are easy to “control”. More of a long game needs to be played in developing courses for sure. If courses like the one at Milo need special dispensation, personnel with training, or even a ballot referendumto allow for proper course maintenance within the state park, then the DGPT or the PDGA (international professional organizations) should be spearheading that, not “leave it to the local club to deal with the logistics and if they get ignored then oh well”. But you’re just the help, the entertainment, right? 🙄🙄Dance, disc golf monkey! Dance!

[@kieronmckay4276]

The pro tour relies way too much on volunteers in general. And I get it, the game isn’t quite there yet, but i guarantee a sponsor is willing to do the things necessary to help financially if the proper things were done to highlight the sponsors. Like there is enough eyes and people at any given tournament there just has to be a dedicated and consistent long term effort to acquiring those sponsors to get that work done. I agree, can’t rely on the local clubs and churches or whatever. Can’t even rely on the city park maintenance in most cases either, that stuff can only take you so far.

[@mikenestelroad4953]

We love your love for disc golf, never stop.

[@tommyudg]

These vids are gold!!

[@MichaelSweet-nn5bg]

Preach, brother.

[@123juantwothree123]

Great video man 👊🏾

[@iTsTrems]

As a volunteer at the fling, I appreciate the constructive criticism. As a fan I really want the BSF to continue to be at milo so I want to get more involved hoping to solve some of these issues. Bummer that I missed you, a scribble on a disc would have been sick. Cheers to making events better and moving pro play to a better direction for everyone!

[@jwillwt2323]

You make such great points. This is the elite level the best of the best. Everything should have a standard. No other sport is like this.

[@stephenfrancais]

Parking is tricky and I agree it’s a massive issue. People may think it sounds crazy but it will 100% make or break some tour stops in the future. In Nashville I saw the FPO leader walk a half mile up hill to get to her car before getting the leave the course. As a spectator, I’m way more inclined to stay the entire day if I have quick access to my vehicle. I’m willing to pay 20-25 bucks for this convenience. Premium parking is a large untapped market in disc golf viewing imo.

[@oregonwoodelf]

I agree with most of this, especially the equipment standardization. Like seeing Cory Ellis lose a putt through the bottom of the cage last year was the absolute worst piece of flaming crap to witness🤦‍♂ The only thing I might push back on a bit is the the rough (and other parts of the course) being trimmed up to sparkly clean. That is a part that everybody is at the same disadvantage on and is equally punished for landing in. IMO the woods/bushes are part of what makes the course. Hey, I'm a Wood Elf after all🤷‍♂😂Land in jail and either pitch out or risk trying to punch through. Or when you miss your line by a couple inches and BAM kicked way the hell off to the jungle. I know most people aren't asking for a sterile environment of just clean ground and branchless trees, but there is a big grey area in between that and uncouth course upkeep that I don't think everybody will ever be happy with. The big thing to me is having the fairways clear and neat. Love the talk, Drew!✌🧝🌳🥏

[@rogernorton6583]

How did BSF get back on the main pro tour? I thought it was off the tour because of bad network coverage and no parking. Milo is great but the logistics of it are not up to current requirements of the pro sport.

[@kaaavemaaan]

I just want to shout out how good theyve done with Nevin in Charlotte since it's come to the pro-tour scene. I would agree that Hornets Nest is a better course for spectators, but the natural challenge of the course, plus the work that's gone in over the last two years to turn it into a consistently challenging and "spectator friendly" course (especially for multi-tiered ticket pricing) WITH a good parking lot that lets pros, vendors, and spectators park efficiently. I just hope they lower the price for vendors to come to that event, because it could easily challenge USDGC with the right setup.

[@kaaavemaaan]

USE THE BASEBALL FIELDS FOR VENDORS AND FOOD

[@crabbyjimmy1]

I agree shuttle the TDs

[@jwillwt2323]

You guys should unionize. Having a collective bargaining agreement will address these issues.

[@MrBoracus]

I built a course in my backyard, I'm not great at most things about life, but I can safely say ALL of my baskets are level.

[@WADT0073]

Winthrop is kinda like this to me. They don’t care for disc golf until the money is there for USDGC. The grounds are rarely cut so the grass is a foot tall most of the time. I live in the area and I don’t play Winthrop during the summer for these reasons. I end up going to charlotte and playing.

[@clintsawyer7702]

Spectators parking closer than players, yeah totally get that. The comment on vendors? That falls into the category of "Tell me you've never been a vendor without telling me you've never been a vendor." That is a stupidest take ever. Depending on the size of the event and how much stuff we've got, I am usually getting to events at least 2 hours early to set up, because my cargo van is packed literally every square inch between my canopies, my tables, my signs, my product... And then I've got some backstock and extra stuff in the van that I can use to replenish as needed, because that is my entire purpose for being there. You have a backpack. Maybe a cart. The only way you're going to shuttle in a vendor is for each vendor to have access to their own private delivery van or box truck, and have a team of people that are going to have to unload from whatever vehicle I bring in to whatever vehicle they are providing for a 5-minute drive to unload it all again... Really? Try being a vendor once, and then come back and discuss this. You've been making a lot of good points on a lot of things, tee pad consistency great, The player interviews lately have been awesome, definitely credit where credit is due, but also criticism where criticism is due, and this take is absolute nonsense.

[@TannerMcCartney]

I think he was saying vendors should set up early (like all vendors do already) then go park their cars elsewhere and shuttle back to free up the parking lot space. I’m sure drew has vended more times then people think.

[@adryandiaz]

Thanks for having the balls to speak up. Most who have the platform/audience rather close their eyes and stick fingers in their ears for the sake of their own convenience.

[@traviscarter9300]

It's Oregon. The trees and environment are more important than anything else. Don't expect things to change.

[@DrewGibson]

I don’t want it to change BUT if it won’t change then the venue should.

[@U.S.AeroForceDiscGolf]

Drew.. Pressure on Coal Makes A Diamond bro 🤔 You take the Average Walk Up / Short Guys Run Up and find a Average. The you build a Tee Pad 10% Longer to Accommodate the Majority. ProTour Baskets Targets Need to Have a Standard Chain Weight Standard Chain Pattern Style. Every PT stop is Standardized. Heights Vary By Course Design Im a design engineer retired that plays competitive DG. Not a problem to model things and run Finite Analysis on Concept. My Son is a Senior Double Major at UTSA Mechanical Engineer/ Mathematician :) he plays Recreational DG. I travel along the tour play some help others some. Keep Pushing and Applying Pressure till you get a Diamond. Private Courses Will Be For Many Reasons. We have a Private Course on 200 acres in Central Texas. 60 miles from Austin, Waco and 70 to Houston. 200 to Dallas and 150 to San Antonio.

[@landonwebb886]

I agree with what your saying, and that stuff needs to be addressed for sure. From a growth perspective though I think there is still a lot that can be done. The biggest thing that hold the events back is the locations, and part of the problem is there aren’t pro level courses in high metropolitan areas, however there are golf courses everywhere, I know people don’t like playing golf courses sometimes, but imagine if the tour went to new your city, Miami Florida, Las Vegas (go back that’s the best city you were hitting). Second, the way disc golf sets up the event. It needs to be an event, obviously the tournament is the main event but look at other tours, there’s food trucks, merch everywhere, meet and greets, player booths, etc. look at supercross and F1, most of the people that go don’t even follow the sport that closely, they are there for the experience. Third, disc golf marketing sucks, it has to get better for the sport to make the next step, create stories, get people excited, hype up the fans, it has to be better and it has to be targeted to a larger audience

[@josh_the_hodde]

So what are your thoughts on discs getting checked before each round and having a standard on disc deformations? What about limiting the amount of discs in a bag? I agree that the game is a long way from where is could and should be, but the players are also a part of why the game isn’t growing. Players need to demand things change, especially when it’s all rules that need to change currently and not relevant to pay (which I hope increases). I personally think the pro tour needs a younger person running the sport or a person with a background in real sports (yes, I went there).

[@nivavicmarecsal3522]

Bruh, my workplace is definitely not well maintained either. I work in a hospital 😂

[@DrewGibson]

Better call someone who cares more than the people I call when we have an issue 😂😂

[@discjunkiesDGT]

all great points, the tour needs a Director of Quality who reviews and approves a course set up to insure consistent quality of each of these events. they should have a checklist that is signed off by TD, and the tour Director quality each day. This way we can have accountability.

[@thajakemaker]

Not to mention more ticks because of the taller grass!

[@blessedlikeasneeze]

If you have a chance to get a practice round with Cale in at the Preserve it would be interesting to hear some of his takes on these things since he has the freedom to do all of these things and does some of them well (parking, warm up location, baskets seem to be installed correctly) and some could be improved since I was last there (tee pads small and lumpy turf).

[@RallyFanatic1221]

Busiest because of Disc Golf. This is the character of Milo….Period

[@Arctic3OD]

Disc golf here in Finland is huge as you know, and for the most part it shows in course maintenance and tournament management. I can't help but wonder why DGPT Europe is now a thing, instead of merging the US and EU tours together. Yeah, it's across the pond, but if the sport is played where it's the most popular - such as Scandinavia and Estonia, and based on PDGA locations I assume north-eastern US - the tournaments will be managed better, the live spectators will be in higher numbers, the online views go up, and it should make the rest of the tour more appealing. Therefore, if my logic is even somewhat correct, the PDGA should be getting more income from fans too. Let me know your thoughts, but I only see one downside to a much longer EU stint of the tour, and it's the travel cost. And it's nothing compared to the potential international growth.

[@crabbyjimmy1]

The U.N Discgolf association 😳

[@ThugLifeBitches1]

Until players start making more money across the board I don’t see it being logistically possible for most guys and gals to attend the international stuff regularly, a lot of pros carpool or buy vans so they can travel across the country cheap.

[@JohnFnLopez]

I'm so with you on nearly everything you're saying. Professional athletes should have professional courses to play. Just like any other sport. INCLUDING PROFESSIONAL REFEREES. Having athletes police each other is how amateur athletes play, not professionals. T-Pads, baskets, parking, course maintenance, etc, all add up to the term, Professional. If I were a company sponsoring a Professional tournament and I found out there was no standardization, no REFEREES, and no parking for the athletes, I'd pull my sponsorship. Maybe go sponsor armature events instead.

[@Maniacal_Painter]

💯 agree with you. You sound exactly like me. lol

[@edithkramer7689]

When the worst person you know makes a great point...

[@DrewGibson]

Thanks for tuning in ❤️

[@CornDogDG]

Drew, you should start a players organization and get serious about leadership. Every other sport has one. It literally is essential. You would be a good voice.

[@knaulzz]

Local courses used only for A, B and C tiers get a pass imo for these issues. But for Pro Tour level golf, all of this should be extremely expected on those courses.

[@Mdjagg]

Ask Gavin Babcock why the baskets arent level. You cant abuse the baskets because you miss a outt and not get some kind of violation. Most of the MPO pro tour baskets arent even permanent, and then you have people like Gavin banging them up because he sucks at putting for a hole.

[@JulieChoate-eg1qv]

It's not all about you.

[@troysmith5597]

He’s a grade A douchebag. I really hope he doesn’t come to the fling anymore.

[@DrewGibson]

Nope. About the sport.

[@JacobPorterLadder]

Hey drew, can you maintain that evergreen tree. It's really overgrown for this shot. If you cared about your viewers you would maintain the shot

[@solo.u1]

They can't even keep a dude out of FPO. Don't expect much

[@jaakkolamminpaa7959]

Is this truly your response to a valid criticism? Throw it on a tangent? You are the type of a person that when someone says "I enjoy cycling" your response is "female and male bikes should stay different!". Not taking the stance on this specific issue, but why bring up something unrelated just to propagate your own agenda? There are enough channels where you can do this as well.

[@solo.u1]

@@jaakkolamminpaa7959 You typed a lot

[@clintsawyer7702]

​@@jaakkolamminpaa7959His point is, if they can't get something right as simple as keeping female-only protected divisions protected for only females, which should be the easiest and most obvious job on the planet, can you really expect them to get issues like equipment standardization across thousands of baskets around the entire country and world correct? They don't even know what a woman is.

[@DiscraftJunkies]

Lies. The players parking lot was the closest to hole one, maybe 3 minutes at max walk. I was there as a volunteer. Oh yeah GFYS Drew, and Shot out to all of the local golfers who spent there free time volunteering to clean up the for beaver state fling. What did you do for the tournament? What do you do for disc golf on the “PRO” Tour? Or even on your free time without anyone asking you or you wanting some kind of special treatment or payment for your service? You don’t love disc golf, and you careless about those who do put the events together. It Seems from my perspective that you seek the rewards of other people labor, and contribute nothing, but is the first to complain about something. Oh wait didn’t you quit? Last place? Why is those who can’t win who complain the most?

[@DrewGibson]

Keep going. Let it out. You’ll feel better!!

[@djksan1]

4:43 not gonna lie this video would be 100 times better if you put all your disclaimers either at the beginning or at the end instead of interrupting all of your points to essentially cover your ass so that you don’t feel like you’ve offended anyone… Just state what you think should be improved and then, put out all of your caveats and disclaimers at the end or put them all up at the front.

[@marchayden8108]

I 100% agree with this. Touring pro are not treated like touring pros. Not like NBA or anything. Pros should have there own parking and there own area. And should not play a course that is neglected and not willing to maintain. A park owner should be kissing disc golfers ass. Thanks to them. There parks are on camera for the world to see at least once a year. Disc golf brings more to the park then there game. The parks get exposure. I never have heard of any of these parks till I seen pro play on yt. Keep going drew. Someone gotta do it

[@mvmntartist]

I understand the want for manicure, but disc golf is not ball golf. Under trees on a lot of courses should be a bad throw and punished. Now thorns and poison ivy are a different situation. But you shouldn't have a clean line if you throw into a tree.

[@DrewGibson]

The green of 18 has thorns in it lmao

[@ilikesnow]

I just wish they would follow the ball golf blueprint a little closer. How about yardages on every shot for live coverage? That is vital info that makes ball golf so fun to watch. On coverage we have no idea how far out you are on approaches and the camera just cuts to the basket. Bushnell in name only I guess.

[@FuckGoogle2]

What's a yard?

[@tunitcstm03]

be on time for your teetime. Its so easy. You are a professional. Grow up.

[@DrewGibson]

Thanks.

[@ellisj98]

wait until you play on the castle baskets in the UK… terrible baskets, have seen the worst spit outs out my life on them

[@aseamgaming5175]

Whats really going on Drew?

[@goobiesgamegarage4517]

Why dont the players have a crew going ahead to make sure prep is up to standard? the biggest issue is players making demands from volunteers without being willing to put in any work. take some money out of prize pools to pay a team, stop making demands of everyone else.

[@clintsawyer7702]

Can you provide examples of the NBA players personally going or sending people to courts to make sure the floors are clean and ready? How about NFL players scouting in advance to make sure there aren't any holes or divots in the field? NHL players making sure the ice is smooth, or there aren't any boards sticking out? Making sure the goal on one side isn't smaller than the other? Can you give any example of any professional sport where professional athletes go to a venue that is supposed to be hosting a professional level event where the players are responsible for making sure that the venue is actually up to the necessary level required? We're not talking about your local league tournament saying, "Hey guys, we need some volunteers to help pick up tree branches before this weekend's tournament", we're talking about the best players on planet Earth. Ensuring that the courses they are going to be playing/performing on are actually ready is not the players' responsibility.

[@goobiesgamegarage4517]

@@clintsawyer7702 The NBA is a league that is fully funded, the pdga tour is collection of independent tournaments not ran by the PDGA. Thats the big difference that you and drew keep missing. Pro disc golfers are not employees of the pro tour like basketball players are to the nba. the major sports leagues also get insurance, travel and meals paid for, and many other perks from being an employee in a union. Pro disc golfers are all independent, and they should act like it. These tournaments would happen without the PDGA, most of them existed before and will exist after. this isnt the nba, mma and the ufc might be a comparison but you know what ufc fighters are in charge of? thier own travel thier own food, paying for thier teams food and travel. pro disc golfers need to lower expectation or put the work in to make it happen, no one owes them perfect courses like pro ball golfers get. do you know why pro ball golfer get all those things? because its funded by the billionaire that keep ball golf going, we dont have that, grow up and deal with it or play a different sport as a pro, but most disc golfers couldnt hang in other sports.

[@goobiesgamegarage4517]

@@clintsawyer7702 The NFL has had teams refuse to play on fields that where not up to standards, happened in the hall of fame game few years back. Steph curry found a dead spot in the floor during warm ups that was fixed before the game. all those leagues have PAID employees making all this happen btw. the pro tour isnt a fully funded sports league like those other you mentioned, its a collection of independent tournaments. these tournaments would exist without the pro tour, not the other way around. pro disc golfers are not employees of the pdga, they are not owed workplaces up to thier standard. everything he is demanding, and hes is demanding because he offers 0 assistance, takes a huge time and money investment. Drew knows business and if he wanted change he knows how to make it happen but all he wants to do is whine.

[@clintsawyer7702]

@@goobiesgamegarage4517 yeah, he found something, it wasn't that NFL players are required or expected to go inspect the field, so finding one single isolated instance or a player just happened to come across something and say something is not even remotely in the same category as what you are saying, so that is a completely irrelevant reply.

[@goobiesgamegarage4517]

@@clintsawyer7702 Heres the thing though, the teams do have people in charge of inspecting everything. they have paid employees doing it. so the players dont have to, they even have a travel office so the players dont have to arrange travel. Do you notice how all the disc golfers are in charge of their own travel? Disc golfers also have to supply thier own food unlike the big sports. like it or not this isnt on the same level as a real pro sport. there is not enough money in this sport to enforce the high standards other sports have. deal with it or pick up some clubs.

[@clintsawyer7702]

Had to stop the video earlier to comment on the vendor bit, since you were 100% wrong on that and it was just, to be blunt, the stupidest nonsense I've ever heard you say. But after finishing it, agree with absolutely everything else, especially the point about warm up fields being 20 minutes away with shuttles that players don't have control over, yet penalizing them for being two seconds late. If they aren't making all reasonable attempts and accommodations for the players to actually comply, they shouldn't be able to penalize the players for it. But seriously, edit the video and remove that bit on vendors, that ruins the entire rest of the thing because it's basically opening up by saying "I have no idea what I'm talking about", when everything else is spot on.

[@NickelEye.]

The DGPT doesn’t give a damn about complaints unless you’re one of them trans.

[@CoffeeonKorriban]

You're absolutely right. BSF looks like everyone showed up the day before and put a few flags in the ground.

[@bwpSnakeEyes]

Complaining to random youtubers solves nothing. Ultimately, these things have to be enforced on TDs by the pro tour. Take it up with jeff

[@MessyLio10]

Why are you always complaining, I never even see you at any of these events?

[@DrewGibson]

Weird. I don’t think I’ve ever seen you there either?

[@Kryptic513]

Disc golf doesnt have the money the PGA has. Of course they can afford to maintain courses

[@Butzy621]

There are professional races where the drivers all get in cars which are spec'd out the same. The only difference is the driver.....they are the absolute,most boring races to watch. Just saying

[@jari1]

Good video. If world class tour cant manage straight basket its hilarious

[@Mouspadu]

It’s easy to complain. Tomorrow post things they did well in Oregon

[@jamesbenton4123]

He's not complaining.

[@goobiesgamegarage4517]

these talks wont do anything. the players want change they need to organize. thats the only way any of these are getting addressed. you keep saying Pro like you are paid to be there, you arent, you pay to play and fight for prizes. thats why its not like other sports. no one owes players a pro tour. you get to play for a living, you arent owed a perfect tour. and stop bringing up golf, the money is a different world and you know it.

[@tdkempton]

That’s one handsome looking guy right there.

[@1narow486]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[@DrewGibson]

Good one

[@eoghana315]

Bro can't even maintain his skin.

[@1chrisdisc]

Sounds you like you need to learn how to adapt. You're job is to play disc golf. Funny how dg pros think they are on the same level as other pro sports. Give me a break

[@DrewGibson]

😂😂😂

[@derekmcnamara6725]

more whining

[@humanecentipede985]

Agreed on it all. Bummer more pros dont speak up.

[@troysmith5597]

More whining