Classical Mechanics | Lecture 3

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12 жыл бұрын

(October 10, 2011) Leonard Susskind discusses lagrangian functions as they relate to coordinate systems and forces in a system.
This course is the beginning of a six course sequence that explores the theoretical foundations of modern physics. Topics in the series include classical mechanics, quantum mechanics, theories of relativity, electromagnetism, cosmology, and black holes.
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@zen-hx2hn
@zen-hx2hn 3 ай бұрын
reading classical mechanics by the man himself and watching these videos really helps a lot, whatever i dont understand in the book i understand here and whatever i dont understand here i understand in the book, thank you stanford and Dr.Susskind.
@joabrosenberg2961
@joabrosenberg2961 2 жыл бұрын
Law of least (extremum) action; Calculus of variations (minimal distance between points) 11:45; Light moving the shortest time between points 21:00; Motion on a line 24:00; Action definition, Lagrangian 31:00; Euler Lagrange equation 47:00; The Langrangian that produces Newton equations 50:40; Least action does not depend on the coordinate system (unlike the equations of motion) 1:01:00; Coriolis and centrifugal force 1:16:00; Polar coordinates 1:22:30; Conservation law (angular momentum) 1:31:00
@achillesmichael5705
@achillesmichael5705 2 жыл бұрын
good luck
@mastershooter64
@mastershooter64 Жыл бұрын
thank you my man!
@Rakeshkumar30
@Rakeshkumar30 4 жыл бұрын
To me, this is the most important lecture of the series, the way Euler Lagrange equation was derived blew my mind.
@rodovre
@rodovre 6 жыл бұрын
I have never seen this topic explained with so much clarity. He is the greatest teacher in physics, and I admire his effort to go through all of physics for the benefit of beginning students. It is a great contribution to the field as a whole, and hopefully some of his listeners will become future physics stars thanks to this, just like the Feynman lectures.
@corgispotter
@corgispotter 5 жыл бұрын
As one would expect from a person who proved stephen hawking wrong
@MarcCastellsBallesta
@MarcCastellsBallesta 4 жыл бұрын
@Joseph Winett I totally agree. I guess people thought the same about paperwork when Guttenberg invented the printer.
@gagadaddy8713
@gagadaddy8713 2 жыл бұрын
@rodovre Yes! Can't agree more! ..... this is the most simply approach to explain(if not derive) the Eurler-Lagrange Equation. This video is really blow my mind .... though Prof. Susskind's drawing is a bit suck! 🤣 Will come back later for the rest of the topics!
@ozzyfromspace
@ozzyfromspace 6 жыл бұрын
1:00:20 "we have written down the law of...scones". Only at Stanford. Great lecture, Professor Susskind!
@gagadaddy8713
@gagadaddy8713 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@ButtUglyParakeet
@ButtUglyParakeet 11 жыл бұрын
The textbook Classical Mechanics by John R. Taylor has many exercises that fit well with this course.
@waynelast1685
@waynelast1685 4 жыл бұрын
it does seem like it has some good sections
@of8155
@of8155 3 жыл бұрын
Goldstein
@jessstuart7495
@jessstuart7495 6 жыл бұрын
1:06:25 "That's correct, you can check this." I did, and it isn't correct. x = X*cos(ωt) - Y*sin(ωt) y= X*sin(ωt) + Y*cos(ωt)
@jesuesp1297
@jesuesp1297 4 жыл бұрын
thank you, I thought I was crazy for a moment
@MarcCastellsBallesta
@MarcCastellsBallesta 4 жыл бұрын
@stanford should pin this comment. Or add this to the description of the video.
@archiebrown1405
@archiebrown1405 3 жыл бұрын
I think he must have gotten X and x and Y and y swapped by accident, as we want (x,y)→(X,Y). The correct equations are then X=xcos(θ)+ysin(θ) and Y=−xsin(θ)+ycos(θ)
@TheLevano22
@TheLevano22 3 жыл бұрын
as a result the coriolis force written at 1:16:21 will actually be (mw/2) * ((dY/dt) * X - (dX/dt) * Y)
@maxmeier1015
@maxmeier1015 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheLevano22 I think he also lost track of a factor of 2 when he expanded the squares before. So it really should be (mω) * ((dY/dt) * X - (dX/dt) * Y). This also causes his final result for the coriolis force at 1:20:17 to be off by exactly that factor. As far as I know it really should be 2mω dY/dt (or 2mω dX/dt for the y component of force).
@AlphaFoxDelta
@AlphaFoxDelta 5 жыл бұрын
His teaching makes me so happy, I couldn't ask for a better physics professor.
@andreamercuri9984
@andreamercuri9984 3 жыл бұрын
We love you, Prof Susskind. Thank you so much for your free and marvellous lessons
@TheGamingg33k
@TheGamingg33k 4 жыл бұрын
Watch out at 1:06:00 guys. Its a rotation matrix basically. The equations are actually x = Xcos(wt) - Ysin(wt) and y= Xsin(wt) + Ycos(wt)
@ehabmalkawi194
@ehabmalkawi194 4 жыл бұрын
He is a great physics teacher... I would also recommend a new channel for solving somewhat advanced problems in classical mechanics with thorough discussion... kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZe3naaDqcl1b5o
@praneetkumarpatra2661
@praneetkumarpatra2661 Жыл бұрын
i think its inverse of rotation matrix.....i mean you are moving from X Y to x y , hence theta in that case is negative
@olivernorth7418
@olivernorth7418 Жыл бұрын
Yup. Easy to draw the geometry to prove it.
@andyjiao3114
@andyjiao3114 5 жыл бұрын
Professor, you are a proper theoretical physicist that I aim to be. You do not make over-arching assumptions, and promises the integrity of theory.
@ermiasawoke192
@ermiasawoke192 4 күн бұрын
The pursuit of physics with faith!
@xhonshameti1749
@xhonshameti1749 2 жыл бұрын
So Concise! He Knows and feels the fabric! Beautiful!
@benjamincordes207
@benjamincordes207 9 жыл бұрын
Great lecture, thanks so much for sharing this. I found this very helpful and well explained.
@VladTepesh409
@VladTepesh409 5 жыл бұрын
Looks like this is helpful if the actions are not only passing through a void or vacuum, but also when the actions transition between states of matter / elemental compounds from a to b. Like how the action of light passes through air, and transitions through water does not appear to be a straight line, but rather a path of least action such that it goes the distance from a to b in the least amount of time with respect to the transition between states of matter / elemental compounds. Very cool!
@Rakeshkumar30
@Rakeshkumar30 4 жыл бұрын
I keep coming to this lecture, this is such a gem.
@Euquila
@Euquila 9 жыл бұрын
why would you say that mathematical rigor is lacking? this is a physics lecture and he is trying to convey ideas. personally, i found this lecture to be very helpful. thank you very much.
@Deoxippus
@Deoxippus 8 жыл бұрын
+Euquila I second this. My professor is very fond of mathematical rigor and I feel it gets in the way sometimes.
@non-inertialobserver946
@non-inertialobserver946 4 жыл бұрын
I find the lack of mathematical rigour quite refreshing
@orientaldagger6920
@orientaldagger6920 3 жыл бұрын
You can always read Goldstein for something inscrutable.
@orientaldagger6920
@orientaldagger6920 3 жыл бұрын
I don't get it either. There is no real high level math here. He is showing you the insights. You can read the derivation in all its detail from any book or internet site nowadays.
@joeboxter3635
@joeboxter3635 3 жыл бұрын
Not just a question of mathematical rigor, unless you mean by rigor no basic math mistakes. His lectures are chalk full of them.
@willchan83
@willchan83 9 жыл бұрын
YES!! 0:40:00 to 0:44:00 is a clearer derivation of the Euler-Language equation than page 112-114 of the book, imho.
@FMasamune
@FMasamune 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment. Literally went to this video to see if he derived it differently here.
@paulnewton3556
@paulnewton3556 6 жыл бұрын
What is “the book”?
@drewmetra
@drewmetra 5 жыл бұрын
Probably The Theoretical Minimum
@aryamanmishra154
@aryamanmishra154 5 жыл бұрын
@@paulnewton3556 Theoretical minimum: classical mechanics or the 1st one which ever is in your country..
@kennywong7850
@kennywong7850 4 жыл бұрын
The book’s derivation is driving me crazy, the delta t seems missing...
@DrDress
@DrDress 5 жыл бұрын
12:00 calculus of variations 45:00 E-L discrete derivation
@tshankomakech1875
@tshankomakech1875 2 жыл бұрын
the concepts are well explained in his lectures for every one to understand, thanks for this lecture i appreciate it
@joelcurtis562
@joelcurtis562 2 жыл бұрын
Very insightful derivation of Euler-Lagrange equations. Much in the style of EF Taylor. Much more intuitive than the typical textbook presentation that relies on integration by parts.
@gagadaddy8713
@gagadaddy8713 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! The way to derive the Euler-Lagrange is what a gem to me. And this is the first time I really understand what the trick behind L = KE - PE (instead the common practice of summing up the kinetic and potential energy). Great presentation for the basic principle to "Calculus of Variation"! Love it!
@12388696
@12388696 10 жыл бұрын
excellent as usual.
@samarthsai9530
@samarthsai9530 6 жыл бұрын
S for distance because of the latin word spatium which means space.
@sayanjitb
@sayanjitb 3 жыл бұрын
Ahh really!
@joeboxter3635
@joeboxter3635 3 жыл бұрын
Kewl ... so why "T" for kinetic energy? I know V is voltage and V is a potential energy.
@joeboxter3635
@joeboxter3635 3 жыл бұрын
@@sayanjitb so here we are 2 years later.
@of8155
@of8155 3 жыл бұрын
@@sayanjitb aha
@joeboxter3635
@joeboxter3635 3 жыл бұрын
@32:30 Start Derivation of Lagrangian @48:44 Summary of Result There are other derivations that are closer to first principles. Some even have youtube videos. But in 10 min he shows energy is conserved is a constraint of motion and with this assumption alone leads to newton's equation which was simply accepted fact. So while there are presentations that are closer to first principles and thus more mathematical in nature, got to love this man's conveying the most physics with least effort and least time. (Took 10 min to convey. Starts around min 38 and done at min 48). Nature would be proud. But then could we expect any less from a world renown physicist and educator?
@kaushaltimilsina7727
@kaushaltimilsina7727 4 жыл бұрын
The idea that I feel like is fundamental or rather synonymous to the stationary action , is that we are defining evolution of a system through evolution between instantaneous States of equilibrium; because by definition we are minimizing something. And I think evolution through "instantaneous eigenstates" is where this idea goes down to quantum mechanics.
@qbtc
@qbtc 4 жыл бұрын
When he was transforming between a rotating frame and a stationary frame around middle of the lecture, he meant to solve for X and Y, the rotating frame, but he unfortunately wrote x and y, the stationary frame. He would follow this using the rotating frame X and Y as an example which resulted in a Coriolis force. You would not get this in the stationary frame. That's how I know what he intended. He tends to get his notation mixed up at times and it's always good to use pencil and paper when following along to really understand and appreciate everything. Great lectures nonetheless.
@robertfulton6397
@robertfulton6397 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the questions at the end
@jsh31425
@jsh31425 4 жыл бұрын
One slightly confusing notational point: In his derivation of the Euler-Lagrange equations (around 44:00), he keeps writing del L / del v_i and del L / del v_{i+1}. But L itself is a function of only two variables, say x and v. He means to write the partial del L / del v, but *evaluated* at two different points.
@SM2005_
@SM2005_ 2 жыл бұрын
I’d like to point out how relaxed he is just speaking. Just rolls off his tongue while multitasking while teaching strangers something complex.
@felicityc
@felicityc 2 жыл бұрын
The comments about time in culture and writing is very interesting, since I truly think I was able to start thinking "backwards" in a sense, or rather, in alternate directions (since there is no 'right' way, per se, but relative to my upbringing), when I studied arabic script and Islamic languages. Being able to flip back and forth is quite incredible. I know it was a joke but it is an extremely poignant point to make.
@charlesabernathy5842
@charlesabernathy5842 3 жыл бұрын
Great discourse. I'm still hoping to learn that.
@masterineverything
@masterineverything 11 жыл бұрын
I think the difference is one of rotating direction, i.e the sign of w. Which would both plausible, but yours is preferred
@tianmingguo8271
@tianmingguo8271 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant explanation.
@John-lf3xf
@John-lf3xf 4 жыл бұрын
The calculus of variations is concerned with finding functions which minimize certain quantities.
@flyingdutchman2649
@flyingdutchman2649 7 жыл бұрын
Finally find intermediate level mechanics lecture
@feiqu6693
@feiqu6693 10 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate that he just used a epsilon to prove the equation.
@LaureanoLuna
@LaureanoLuna 7 жыл бұрын
The problem with using infinitesimals is readily seen here, in the very beginning of the lecture: a mínimum in potential energy has these two inconsistent effects: one, if you change the input just a bit, energy increases (because it was at a minimum); two, if you change the input just a bit, nothing changes, because the derivative is 0.
@plutopulp
@plutopulp 12 жыл бұрын
it's just the chain rule seeing as v is a function of x: dL(x,v)/dx= dL/dx+ (dL/dv)*(dv/dx) The d's above should be partials though, and just wrote it with x and v to make it clearer (hopefully!)
@hasanshirazi9535
@hasanshirazi9535 4 жыл бұрын
Stationary particle in a rotating frame does in fact experience force which keeps it stationary and hence it is accelerating. It will have potential energy but no kinetic energy. However, the same particle in a stationary frame will have kinetic energy.. So yes energy varies according to the Frame of Reference.
@yingwang1053
@yingwang1053 8 жыл бұрын
1:26:48 Why =mr *(theta dot)^2- dV/dt? Is that the derivative of r? If is, why not r double dot instead? Thx
@vihaannair5165
@vihaannair5165 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the effort by Susskind but the mathematics would not seem very easy to comprehend for beginners. The derivation by Susskind is different from most textbooks and I don’t think anyone can derive the Euler-Langrange equation who just learned calculus, Newtonian style. I would suggest that you should watch this lecture and read from the book only if you are well versed in the topic.
@timjosling9298
@timjosling9298 7 жыл бұрын
This is brilliant
@therealjordiano
@therealjordiano 11 жыл бұрын
that is some awesome concept imo.. the part with the angular momentum xd physicsgasm
@rightwraith
@rightwraith 9 жыл бұрын
His rotated coordinate transformations at 1:06:10 are slightly wrong, he messed up the signs. The second term of the x transformation should be negative, and the first term of the y transformation should be positive. These are the proper transformations: x = Xcos(wt) - Ysin(wt) y = Xsin(wt) + Ycos(wt)
@MoronicAcid1
@MoronicAcid1 8 жыл бұрын
rightwraith For a second, I thought I was just retarded.
@NuclearCraftMod
@NuclearCraftMod 8 жыл бұрын
+rightwraith I think what he has is correct, as your equations are the transformations from x and y to X and Y, while he's doing X and Y to x and y.
@NuclearCraftMod
@NuclearCraftMod 8 жыл бұрын
+rightwraith I think what he has is correct, as your equations are the transformations from x and y to X and Y, while he's doing X and Y to x and y. I think what he has got wrong, though, is that he's got x and y the wrong way round.
@rightwraith
@rightwraith 8 жыл бұрын
+NuclearCraft Mod No, mine are correct for the transformation from the rotating (X, Y) frame to the unrotating (x. y) frame.
@NuclearCraftMod
@NuclearCraftMod 8 жыл бұрын
rightwraith Ah yes, my mistake ;)
@Sans_K5
@Sans_K5 11 ай бұрын
thanks sir for amazing lectures❤🙏
@TebiByyte
@TebiByyte 5 жыл бұрын
Huh, what an interesting way to derive the Euler-Lagrange equation.
@mastershooter64
@mastershooter64 Жыл бұрын
What are you doing here Cave Johnson?
@DoisKoh
@DoisKoh 10 жыл бұрын
It's Mike Ehrmantraut!
@tusharpandey6584
@tusharpandey6584 4 жыл бұрын
came for this
@driftingcrystal7285
@driftingcrystal7285 3 жыл бұрын
Me too
@joandres1482
@joandres1482 4 жыл бұрын
just to the little question after 15min: the history of using "s" as the variable for distance is that it comes from the German word "Strecke"
@ahmetkaraaslan8429
@ahmetkaraaslan8429 4 жыл бұрын
are you sure? because I didn't look at historical articels but I learned from my physics classes that the integral symbol came from sum and we use the word "die Summe" still in German and it means sum. moreover, in latin the word Summa means sum maybe these words are coming from latin
@alalize
@alalize 3 жыл бұрын
Latin Summa I believe.
@Gruemoth
@Gruemoth 4 жыл бұрын
the camera(wo)man had one job to do and he/she did it magnificently well! thank you mr or mrs camera(wo)man
@JP-re3bc
@JP-re3bc 3 ай бұрын
This guy is a great teacher.
@willie5069
@willie5069 6 жыл бұрын
I checked the result with mathematica and terms in the Langragain for the X,Y (upper case) are correct.
@luisricardomontoyamartin3952
@luisricardomontoyamartin3952 5 жыл бұрын
Gracias por compartir.
@martingreen436
@martingreen436 6 жыл бұрын
I didn't watch the entire lecture (yet). Does he cover using Lagrangians in systems with applied forces? Also I just realized these series of lectures are longer versions of the book "Theoretical Minimum (part1) "
@madhavpr
@madhavpr 11 жыл бұрын
Isn't the V_fictitious energy like the rotational kinetic energy of the particle= 1/2 * moment of inertia * r^2 ? Correct me if I'm wrong.
@ozzyfromspace
@ozzyfromspace 6 жыл бұрын
So, the action integral minimizes the trajectory of a point-mass particle in generalized coordinates based on the lagrangian T(x,x')-V(x,x'), but the trajectory of light is minimized using a time lagrangian. Can someone explain to me why it seems that the principle of least action prefers to optimize trajectories based on different parameters depending on the system? For example, the brachistochrone problem in elementary variational calculus allows us to derive a path that minimizes the transit time of a particle between two points in a gravitational field, but the path is not the shortest path possible. That means that we can ENGINEER a system to transport a particle by minimizing the distance a particle covers between points A and B, or the time it takes said particle to go from A to B. If we have this level of choice about what action to minimize in the brachistochrone problem, how does nature decide when to optimize for energy and when to optimize for time. I believe this to be a problem of my understanding, and not the principle of least action itself. All help/insight is appreciated. Thanks, and great video series!
@merlinthegreat100
@merlinthegreat100 7 жыл бұрын
On the second problem, is there a potential for the left hand side?
@potugadu5160
@potugadu5160 8 жыл бұрын
I have a question: I plan to watch all these lectures by Mr Susskind on classical mechanics, but will I get anything out of these lectures without an accompanying textbook? Thanks.
@lsbrother
@lsbrother 8 жыл бұрын
+potugadu I guess if you have any questions - which I would think is almost inevitable! - then a text book will be useful. Lecturers tend to occasionally make mistakes, mess up explanations, get lost and sometimes plain get it wrong and Lenny is no exception!
@BongboBongbong
@BongboBongbong 8 жыл бұрын
+potugadu I can recommend Goldstein's Classical Mechanics
@collegemathematics6698
@collegemathematics6698 8 жыл бұрын
the text book associated with these lecture is "theoratical minimume" by prof. susskind him self
@tehyonglip9203
@tehyonglip9203 7 жыл бұрын
What i recommend is, watch these lectures first, absorb the mistakes he make and forget all of them, you are here to learn physics not to argue with correct equations, his equations are explained at least 10 times before changing topic, so it should be very easy to learn physics here, you are here to learn the concepts, books are for the advanced level people where they keep track of everything and almost no explanation of the concept, I dont know... for me, books are too difficult for REMEMBER! CONCEPT IS WHAT MATTERS
@abhishekcherath2323
@abhishekcherath2323 6 жыл бұрын
I'm using goldstein's classical mechanics, these lectures make that book actually readable.
@shyamvijay8985
@shyamvijay8985 4 жыл бұрын
But isn't it a circular argument (shortest distance is a straight line) since it uses dS at the short increment is the 'distance' and it's computed as dS = sqrt ( dx2 + dy2)
@tylerboulware6510
@tylerboulware6510 7 жыл бұрын
Is the Coriolis force term correct? I think there's a factor of 2 that goes missing on the Coriolis term when he multiplies the Lagrangian out in the rotating reference frame. Can anyone confirm?
@clarity97
@clarity97 7 жыл бұрын
Yes there will be a 2 with the Coreolis term
@evanparsons123
@evanparsons123 6 жыл бұрын
(first 10 minutes) why wouldn't equilibrium be based on the point with respect to the axis not the actual tangent of the line at a point? I realize this is a very basic question but by his logic couldn't one argue all possible points are in equilibrium even if it is a derivative of V?
@enaud847876
@enaud847876 7 жыл бұрын
is possible include automatics subtitles? thks
@Jacob.Peyser
@Jacob.Peyser 8 күн бұрын
I doubt anyone reading this encountered the same issue, but just in case, to hell with that. In Professor Leonard's derivation of the Euler-Lagrange Equation, he starts with principle of stationary action; a global condition of the path. The way I originally understood the concept was that if the path (satisfying the stationary action principle) were varied by a small amount, the action would (in the limit) not alter. Because the action is the continuous sum between two points in time of the product of the Lagrangian and its respective (infinitesimal) time interval, varying the action to me meant varying every single element of the sum. That is to say the entire path is varied. Through that reasoning, I was puzzled as to how optimizing a small piece of the path could make the entire action stationary. After a couple minutes of thought, I came to the following conclusion. Any infinitesimal perturbation in the optimized path, no matter how isolated, should not vary the action. It just so happens that the action is a global quantity associated with the path. Nevertheless, the path must obey local conditions in order to satisfy the stationary action principle. To me, the mathematical justification wasn't very clear in that vein, despite being hinted at. That's all. Hopefully this helps someone.
@bigtimernow
@bigtimernow 4 жыл бұрын
He seems to be talking about perturbation theory and finding the steady states from 47:30 - 48:45.
@animimm
@animimm 12 жыл бұрын
At 1:04:40 he had to name the blue coordinates system as XY, and the red ones as xy, so that the transformation equations will be true!
@danielstone8775
@danielstone8775 7 жыл бұрын
because it's a constant
@Maxander2001
@Maxander2001 10 жыл бұрын
Susskind's book the theoretical minimum?
@physicspoint3356
@physicspoint3356 2 жыл бұрын
May God bless you sir
@abdomohamed8665
@abdomohamed8665 4 жыл бұрын
Is there anyway I can get lec notes?
@AdiCherryson
@AdiCherryson 5 жыл бұрын
At 47:03 where did the summation go?
@waatchit
@waatchit 10 жыл бұрын
Can someone please explain the differentiation that he does from 42nd minute to 47th minute to arrive at the Lagrange equation @ 47th minute.
@liberphilosophus7481
@liberphilosophus7481 4 жыл бұрын
He's taking the multi-variable derivatives of L(X(i)), but he doesn't find the actual derivatives to avoid mathematical rigor.
@allureee
@allureee 12 жыл бұрын
I don't understand how he gets the derivative of the second expression at 44:18..
@waynelast1685
@waynelast1685 4 жыл бұрын
Not to be picky, but at 1:15:11 the far right term in the Lagrangian does not have a 1/2 factor, so this works it way to the final result where the coriolis term has a factor of 2 , not 1 in it. So.... coriolis force in X = -2mwYdot and in Y = 2mwXdot . Doesn't change the explanation of the physics , but just numerical value.
@mithunjadhao6529
@mithunjadhao6529 3 жыл бұрын
Great sir
@NocturnalJin
@NocturnalJin 10 жыл бұрын
It's clear to me, looking at the shape of the letter S, that it is the only letter they could have chosen to represent the length of a curve.
@peterbonnema8913
@peterbonnema8913 10 жыл бұрын
even though it doesn't :P
@valentinjonas8995
@valentinjonas8995 6 жыл бұрын
I think it derives from the german word "Strecke" meaning distance in some situations.
@samarthsai9530
@samarthsai9530 6 жыл бұрын
It is derived from latin word spatium(=space).
@mohabmetwally5749
@mohabmetwally5749 4 жыл бұрын
why there is a negative sign between the kinetic Energy, and the potential, why Energy isn't used instead for example, T - V is very specific case, the lagrangian must include, the coordinate, and it's derivative, and T - V satisfy this, but why not E, or -E, or V - T?
@balasujithpotineni8184
@balasujithpotineni8184 5 жыл бұрын
I didnt understand the derivation of euler langrangian equation. I thought xi,xi+1, etc are positions at the certain instants. But in the derivation he differentiated with d xi. Is xi a variable?
@hershyfishman2929
@hershyfishman2929 3 жыл бұрын
Yes they are positions, but you could vary xi.
@Asdun77
@Asdun77 4 жыл бұрын
God bless you
@peterbonnema8913
@peterbonnema8913 9 жыл бұрын
At 44:29, shouldn't the second term be 1/epsilon times the partial derivative of L with respect to v sub i-1? He writes down v sub i instead of v sub i-1 which I think is wrong since he is differentiating the L(x sub i-1, v sub i-1) term.
@tylerboulware6510
@tylerboulware6510 7 жыл бұрын
I think what you're saying is right, but in the end it doesn't matter since you're letting epsilon go to 0, so the only difference is you're moving in from the left or from the right and both give the same result.
@yathindrasairahul2859
@yathindrasairahul2859 4 жыл бұрын
Did anyone try doing exercise given at 1:35:50 ?
@sarthakhajirnis1908
@sarthakhajirnis1908 6 жыл бұрын
Which reference book is best suited for this course?
@drewmetra
@drewmetra 5 жыл бұрын
The Theoretical Minimum
@jenniferlaflora3293
@jenniferlaflora3293 8 ай бұрын
LaFlora Sinish 41:43
@jenniferlaflora3293
@jenniferlaflora3293 8 ай бұрын
(1,0) 1:22:14
@maxfindus
@maxfindus 12 жыл бұрын
correction @ 1:13:26 the last term should be mw(X'Y-Y'X) (factor 2 error)
@willie5069
@willie5069 6 жыл бұрын
Checked this with mathematica and I believe you are correct. I also got wm [Y[t] Derivative[1][X][t]--X[t] Derivative[1][Y][t]. Only took me 5 years to answer.
@samerapornpan8423
@samerapornpan8423 4 жыл бұрын
At 44:51, did he mess up indices? If the Lagrangian corresponding to the right piece is a function of x(i) and v(i), should not the second term of its derivative be minus one over epsilon times the partial derivative of L with respect to v(i) ? Using chain rule?
@muruhappanchidambaram9489
@muruhappanchidambaram9489 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah exactly I was confused by that too. Doesn't it affect the final result?
@ares12265
@ares12265 7 жыл бұрын
The key question is, strength weighs something or not.
@askhetan
@askhetan 4 жыл бұрын
1:04:57 I laughed before he said you're supposed to laugh at that
@kushalthaman3110
@kushalthaman3110 4 жыл бұрын
24:41 who is he referring to?
@fjolsvit
@fjolsvit 11 жыл бұрын
OK. I now see what he was doing. I was thinking delta L_i = L_i -L_i-1. It was interesting to try my approach. It feels like it should work, but I don't get the difference @L_i+1/@v - @L_i/@v. Both partials end up negative.
@brendanward2991
@brendanward2991 6 жыл бұрын
1:06 - I think he's got the minus sign on the wrong term: x = Xcoswt - Ysinwt y = Xsinwt + Ycoswt
@florianwerne890
@florianwerne890 5 жыл бұрын
true
@qbtc
@qbtc 4 жыл бұрын
You are right. If you solve for the X and Y system, you just reverse the signs of the sinwt terms and that is what he has. He wrote the eqn's for the rotated system which is X and Y.
@onebylandtwoifbysearunifby5475
@onebylandtwoifbysearunifby5475 3 жыл бұрын
21:10 was hilarious. And hello from the future, where that problem is ongoing.
@orientaldagger6920
@orientaldagger6920 3 жыл бұрын
Now that derivation for the Lagragian is cool ! Compared to Goldstein....
@DDranks
@DDranks 11 жыл бұрын
It kind of becomes clearer afterwards but I was really confused at first.
@mauricejevans43
@mauricejevans43 11 жыл бұрын
Hes much better at his descriptions and explanations then my professor smh
@waynelast1685
@waynelast1685 4 жыл бұрын
Regarding his example at 1:00:00 ... he states in the beginning the particle is not moving in the x-y frame, and that the carousel is rotating, and that we want to know what the person on the carousel "sees". But this is a subtle point.... the particle is NOT fixed to the carousel nor held in any kind of rotational motion... it took me awhile to make that distinction when interpreting the results . If you assume the particle is held in a rotational motion, then there must exist a centripetal force in the x-y frame, thus a potential. In this case the Lagrangians in the x-y and X-Y frames look a little different than the case without a potential in the x-y frame, and thus give you slightly different equations of motion and solution interpretations. Mainly, if assuming a fixed particle in the rotating frame, there is no NET force on the particle (assuming it has no velocity relative to the rotating frame) , thus there is no X or Y doubledot ( acceleration in X-Y frame). This makes sense...if no net force, then no acceleration is observed. Too complicate a little, if the particle has a velocity relative to the rotating frame then there is another force ( coriolis force as a result of the coriolis acceleration). So why is "fixed" particle vs "not fixed" particle important? Because it helps to understand how the Potential function translates between the two frames, and to understand the different resulting dynamics . Not too necessary to explanation of Lagrangians, but helpful anyways in understanding the particle dynamics. So if the particle is NOT fixed to the carousel, it does not actually have a net force on it. It APPEARS to have a centrifugal force if you are riding on the carousel , making it move outwards, with corresponding acceleration. Likewise if the particle had already been moving when the carousel was rotating, with a velocity relative to the carousel, there APPEARS to be force ( coriolis) making it move perpendicular to the velocity . The person in the x-y frame observes NO motion at all ( thus no real forces). So this may appear obvious but it is subtle points in the rotation dynamics and understanding the potential functions in both frames. Sorry if I am o particular but I wanted to understand potentials in different reference frames, as it relates to using Lagrangians to do physics.
@Metallurgist47
@Metallurgist47 Жыл бұрын
I puzzled over this too . If the particle is stationary in the x-y frame , then presumably there is no friction between the carousel and particle -- otherwise , it would move in the x-y plane . That is , the surface of the carousel is a frictionless plane , rotating beneath the particle. But to the observer on the carousel, in his (X_Y)coordinates , the particle appears to be rotating in a circle, at a fixed radius. So to him , that would imply that there is a "centripetal" force keeping it at that fixed radius. Anyone ?
@DenizBoz
@DenizBoz 7 жыл бұрын
Regarding the first 20min of the lecture, why variation (for both cases of function and functional) is 0 when we're at the minimum? What does it mean "the change is 0 TO THE FIRST ORDER"? What does TO FIRST ORDER means? Does it have to do with Taylor expansion? If so, how? (I don't remember basic calculus stuff well, sorry) Thanks.
@bagoplayer7455
@bagoplayer7455 7 жыл бұрын
It just means the derivative of the function is 0 at that point
@LaureanoLuna
@LaureanoLuna 7 жыл бұрын
At a minimum of the function, the first derivative is 0 but the second is positive; this is why he says 'first order'. However, the use of infinitesimal quantities messes it all a bit up: if the function is at a mínimum, then any variation in its argument should increase it.
@DenizBoz
@DenizBoz 7 жыл бұрын
Laureano Luna Thanks
@waatchit
@waatchit 10 жыл бұрын
I did not understand the differentiating w.r.t Xi part @ 44 th minute of the video , can someone please explain it.
@wafikiri_
@wafikiri_ 10 жыл бұрын
To diferentiate the sum whose limit is the integral, the constant part of the sum can be ignored. As x sub i only appears in two terms of the sum, the two are selected out (the remainder of the terms are not varied by any change in x sub i and do not contribute to any difference in the sum). Those terms are: · the time interval epsilon times the Lagrangian of x sub i and of the velocity of x sub i, and · the time interval epsilon times the Lagrangian of x sub i-1 and of the velocity of x sub i-1. The sum of those two terms is differentiated now. The first term gives two diferencial terms, because its Lagrangian depends on x sub i and of its velocity (but Suskind delays the second of these two differencial terms, the one due to the velocity of x sub i, until he has differenciated the second term, that only varies with x sub i through the velocity of x sub i-1). Now the constant time interval is factored out from the three terms (Suskind had forgotten to write it for the 2nd and for the 3rd differential terms but now does). Inside the bracketed sum of 3 differential terms, we notice that the algebraic sum of the 2nd and of the 3rd. differential terms, at the limit, is the time derivative of the Lagrangian with respect to the velocity, with changed sign (Suskind notices the changed sign later). This leaves us with just two differential terms in the differenciated integrand, the differential action.
@Neomadra
@Neomadra 11 жыл бұрын
Can anybody recommend exercises that fit to this course? I'd really appreciate this.
@aliabbasi1745
@aliabbasi1745 4 жыл бұрын
does he go over generalized coordinates and virtual work?
@ehabmalkawi194
@ehabmalkawi194 4 жыл бұрын
He is a great physics teacher... I would also recommend a new channel for solving somewhat advanced problems in classical mechanics with thorough discussion... kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZe3naaDqcl1b5o
@merlinthegreat100
@merlinthegreat100 7 жыл бұрын
When he differentiates the Lagrangian, does the derivative of the potential with respect to velocity vanish?
@corgispotter
@corgispotter 5 жыл бұрын
Yes it does
@corgispotter
@corgispotter 5 жыл бұрын
@@Errenium you are right. If the potential is considered to be independent of velocity then it'll vanish, otherwise it won't
@askhetan
@askhetan 4 жыл бұрын
Isn't the frame with X and Y a non-inertial frame with respect to the frame with x and y? why does Lagrangian mechanics hold in that frame ?
@kharanshu2854
@kharanshu2854 3 жыл бұрын
it isn't undergoing any acceleration wrt the inertial frame, so the XY frame is still an inertial RF
@ananth1994
@ananth1994 7 жыл бұрын
At around 25:00 he talks about how language affects the perception of time. Sounds like Arrival.
@IBeenTheanDur
@IBeenTheanDur 7 жыл бұрын
Anantharaman Viswanathan I think he meant culture not language.
@hershyfishman2929
@hershyfishman2929 3 жыл бұрын
written language
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