Star Citizen 3.24 is Finally LIVE But What About 4.0? (Ft. Hybrid V Audio) | Launch Sequence Podcast

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

3.24 is live, but broken in some places and hurting for some hot fixes. 3.24.1, 3.24.2, and 3.24.3 will be coming down the line with more content and fixes. But what does the rest of the year look like for 4.0 opportunities? This is what the show is about. It'll be pretty obvious if you only respond to the thumbnail.

[@Deodell314]

Broken in such you can't sale gems what so ever so they just sit in your inventory

[@aevacado]

Hearing that a fully laiden Hull C is now a challenge to fly due to cargo weight made me so happy lol 😊

[@imagod8446]

It's going to be wild having to now compensate for laden weight flight mechanics.

[@rooster1012]

I had a full load of iron and it caught me off guard and didn't end well.

[@Haz_Matt--SC]

Hybrid V Audio, is an awesome follow, definitely enjoy the content and ship watching lol

[@balel1975]

Space Tomato, Hybrid V Audio...you guys got this one out of the park. My goodness this was such a great episode/discussion. Loved this. Need more more more. Fantastic. Thank you.

[@Zeoran]

They need to COMMUNICATE better/more. They flat out stood there at CitCon last year & promised that we'd get ALL of the SQ42 features into the PU in the FIRST SIX MONTHS of 2024. Here we are in September and we don't even have HALF of those features. WHY???? The delays would go over a lot smoother with players/backers if they explained to use what the hell is going on.

[@daveg1701]

They said that we would get everything the were showing except base building and the raid in ether the next 12 months or so or in the next year depending on who was on stage. There wasn’t a mention of 6 months. Still doesn’t look like they’re going to make it.

[@Zeoran]

@@daveg1701 Those were separate promises. The first thing they brought up were the features from SQ42 which they flat told us were being integrated into the PU in the first 6 months of 2024. The other things were mentioned with regards to the next 12 months, including all the ships they showed off. (which are likely the only things that will be on-time)

[@mayoluck]

Instead of Death of a Spaceman where are getting close to Death of a Spacegame.

[@Venhili]

No, we're not lol

[@thatmelbrennan]

Except it's not.

[@MrCabbage-qz2vd]

I think not yet, but they losing new players base on chart but overall the player base still that strong.

[@a.e.w.384]

Closer to Death of a Tech Demo.

[@supersasquatch]

They insist on killing themselves

[@gamingduology4757]

My issue is I can’t play because my ship disappeared and not I get error 30009 when I try to log in lol . Just waiting on support to help me fix

[@jeremiahwilkins5837]

I got a Mule stuck under my Hangar floor, and haven't been able to get it fixed.

[@thereisnospoon3595]

Yes 3rd time you encounter a bug it just gets frustrating. Son bought SC, tried cargo missions 3 or 4 times, each one had a bug, and he hasn't played since. Sad they won't even bother to fix beginner missions Everyone has to go through, but can still add missions with rabid dogs that are new, wtf. Saved my prospector on a planet twice, came back to find it 50 miles from the sun. Did this twice, different days, bedlogged, ended up halfway into galaxy. I just quit and let ship go, I don't want to waste 20 minutes to get back there Again...this was 3.24

[@daveg1701]

Hotfix last night appears to have fixed the cargo hauling. Haven’t tried bed logging in 3.24. It has always been iffy.

[@thereisnospoon3595]

@@daveg1701 It was the missions where you have to put the box into a kiosk, or place on a counter where it won't accept it. I ran into them and reported them on Issue Council over a year ago, already multiple same instances reported, and this was just like 1 month ago he had his issues.

[@chawkes70]

@@thereisnospoon3595 these have been buggy since the patch they started in. CIG are unable to make a basic FEDEX mission work so that tells you what the rest of the game is like.

[@motorheadabega]

They could have given us Pyro as separate starting locations a year ago and worked on jump gates / server meshing in bg.

[@Venhili]

I'd rather wait until the whole kit n kaboodle is done before implementing pyro.

[@motorheadabega]

Pyro never required server meshing or even Jump Gates. That could come later since we are alpha anyway, as long as they declare 4.0 and get the wipe out of the way. A reduced scope 4.0 is more acheivable on a fixed timetable (just like they did with 3.23). What makes us think CIG WOULDN'T pull something like that given their track record? I mean.. besides what any of us would rather. Just saying.

[@Venhili]

@@motorheadabega Sure, if you wanted JUST pyro with no way to go to and from Stanton. Sure, if you wanted an even more unstable game than we have right now. No, CIG made the right call by waiting for server meshing. Without it, there's no game.

[@Valium_x]

What will be the next excuse when server meshing doesn't live up to the promise of a stable MMO and they have to focus on actual progression and game play?

[@Venhili]

Dynamic Server meshing is the next excuse, and they've been telling us that for a while. With 4.0 all we're getting is an incredibly basic version of static server meshing

[@atomicpsycho1589]

Great video! I love getting the thoughts of different people that are passionate about Star Citizen. I'm newer, it really helps when y'all explain what you're talking about; Hybrid did a great job with that.

[@hephaestion12]

I dont think there was anything realistic about the magic item drawer that could hold any volume of items! It was just bad design. The best way to use the old item drawer was to move all your items into the drawer, and then use 3rd person inventory ui to make decisions about what to equip. Designers realised this and just cut out the superfluous step.

[@imagod8446]

The realism point of waiting in line is cool, but not for the average gamer who's not used to waiting.

[@ncpolley]

Why waste time waiting in the sim game when I can hang with my buddies in Deep Rock Galactic? It's a game. Not a job

[@CitizenScott]

100% agree on the "time sinks" aspect. When people complain about claim timers, riding trams, QT travel, etc., I'm like why are you playing SC? That's the game. Sadly CIG seem to be moving away from some of these things that set SC apart from other games, and not only in terms of time sinks.

[@AccidentalFriendlyFire]

One thing I want to suggest with Maelstrom is the possibility the parts are all there. When you use r_displayinfo and look at the entity count even in deep space it's a crazy number of things being tracked. I suspect we just don't have the actual mechanism for them to break apart, not that the ships can't be broken apart.

[@romanwiller2180]

As far as the the stability goes, on Monday I did nothing but cargo hauling missions for 10 hours and had no issues, no crashes, and pretty consistent fps the whole time. I was really impressed.

[@TumBear]

3.25, the cargo fix update, 3.26-78 getting Master Modes (sorry Space Tomato... but you said we would) to where the community is happy with it, 3.79 removing master modes because its broken again, 4.0.. approximate roadmap.. 😂

[@Venhili]

They're not removing MM

[@TheJack4000111]

Good on you CIG for the Forever Alpha. Yeah thanks very much.

[@mckinney9739]

Wait you can turn off the speed limit on landing gear??? I know they said they would make it an option but I didn’t know they did

[@rtek777]

I looked for it be not sure which option is for it.

[@mckinney9739]

@@rtek777 it’s a keybind instead of a game setting unfortunately. Bottom of the flight movement area. I set the disable keybind to my flight ready button so it is always turned off since it is a ship based keybind

[@rtek777]

@@mckinney9739 That's a great idea.

[@M4cex]

This was a nice chat with realistic takes/speculation

[@valorunkommon799]

CIG: "We want Death of a Spaceman to drive meaningful choices. There will be consequences to dying like reputation and skill loss" Also CIG: "Introducing PVP dark zones, where anything goes and we'll probably hide legendary schematics in here. You will almost certainly die!" Us: "You mean the thing that killed The Division? You're...you're bringing that?"

[@Eric-un2oq]

no, 3.24a is next. 4.0 won't come until after 3.25 at least and maybe 3.26.

[@deanhartley3186]

I'm curious how many new people will associate a space game with becoming a space fighter pilot/ pirate or being a cargo pilot. I'd be interested in which direction new younger players will gravitate to?

[@chawkes70]

As CIG havent hit an aimed for Quarter release yet it logically means, due to past performance, that 4.0 is Q1 2025 lol

[@HarperLylia]

Hi from the future, probably. CIG did not hit 4.0 live by the end of the year. Instead, we got a 3.24.2 patch just in time for IAE & a very buggy 4.0 was added to the PTU right before holiday. 4.0 did not release to Live until March, 2025.

[@Venhili]

Hybrid, yess!!!!! I agree wholeheartedly, the time it takes you to do things is part of the charm of the game, that tactile nature of star Citizen is what got so many people like me interested. I don't like the magic menus either, and hope they keep pushing to get SC to that dream state

[@haynkokanut]

Eeesh!! Vtol and upward thrust are a must in Reclaimer from atmosphere and even at Orison!! If not you will fall!! Which is pretty scary if you have full grids of cargo on board!!!😬😅😅 o7! Always love your vids and talks Space Tomato!!🤙🏽

[@huntersmoonxgrim2493]

It's unplayable.

[@imagod8446]

Adding physical hangar "locations" to have more exit points should be on the map.

[@HybridVAudio]

Hey! I know that guy!

[@hephaestion12]

Hybrid v makes me so happy for some reason ❤ this was chill to listen to great job!

[@Crius_o7]

Getting my salvage jacked by pirates doesn’t scare me. Getting rated on my landing by Hybrid V, scares me.

[@JuanBrolo]

3.25 incoming lol

[@Darkstargray]

Funny enough, call your ship from the port terminal and it's waiting for you in the hanger

[@denizblank2966]

Oh hell yes the fear of beeing watched made me much better at landing and try to look „cool“ 😂

[@dizzylemongaming2175]

Hybrid V Audio looks like he could be Tomato's son

[@RockjoyProductions]

Can we reclaim subflair at the item banks now?

[@Kryptiic42]

someone should rate Hybrid V Audio's landing lol

[@VideoSage]

37:40 ~ Yes, I really do wish CIG would return to actually telling us what they are doing, instead of sneak peaks, and little scraps here & there. Tell us what issues there are, how they are being resolved, what they are trying. Tell us what is being worked on, how it has progressed, and what issues they found while working on it. The heavily produced, but in truth fairly content devoid videos from CIG, have left me with a feeling of apathy. As if everything is now a marketing arm- and not the original stretch goal, of giving people updates on game development.

[@Lestat070707]

The sinks also add to immersion and add value to the things you do. From dying becoming meaningful to the rare Rail gun. Which will lend to the economy of items to services and services other players add to the game because coop becomes super viable. From rescuing someone (medic) to mercenary support to the people that want to be the simple style gaming in a scifi world working his/her way up. It makes the game beautiful and unique.

[@vincebarry9840]

Sinks should be way more monetary than time consuming...

[@fffx2]

SaltEMike would be a cool guest, never seen him here before

[@sirglogglubardons150]

I think him and space tomato is beefing

[@supersasquatch]

Funny that it would go live now, my bunker base in fixing just for destroyed due to an expansion design error of mine

[@thesheep3077]

Considering how long 3.x.x was (6-7 years?). don't expect 1.0 for at least 5 years, still got 4.0.x to 4.24.x to go yet

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

4.0 was locked behind server meshing. What do you believe 1.0 will be locked behind?

[@Ghazlawl]

MASTER MOOOOOOOOOOOODES!!!1

[@c-shepard]

Server meshing isn't working to expectations, PTU testing reveals it's initial limitations. We'll probably see 4.0 by the end of the year, expecting engineering will be pulled and loading screens to Pyro or some form of meshing workarounds. We'll probably get a 3.25+ update. Citcon will pull double duty to make up for previous delays. Roberts will address the setbacks. Surprise announcements, more heavy feature creep, likely an onsite playable demo of SQ42, new system unveiling and base building previews.

[@ongxeno]

mission cargo from the mission was fixed just now.

[@mayoluck]

And still broke

[@ongxeno]

@@mayoluck really ? i was in the game an hour ago. it was fixed. was it broken again ?

[@GrumpyKnoxTV]

@@ongxeno it looks fixed but trading as a whole doesnt work. but no one is talking abt that

[@CFLsurfr]

How about we talk about the 100 second undock timer because the game can't handle more than 1 person taking off at a time? Hello? CIG? Is this online or not?

[@akiodono]

@spacetomatotoo was there ever a tech preview that wasn't Evo only this year? Its weird I hear people talk about the prior tech previews like everyone had access to it but as far as I remember they were all only Evo?

[@sirglogglubardons150]

Death of a spaceman sounds stupid

[@fresetu]

While I like the hauling missions, the payouts need to be adjusted. Only a small increase in payment for a flight across the system with an increased risk of interdiction than from a major planet location to the orbital station of the same planet? Even stranger is the same/similar payment for 10 times more cargo to/from the same locations. I get that this is the first iteration, but still, it's just ridiculous.

[@jsbfe9395]

Having speed restrictions when landing is not against realism. Modern planes have thousands of safeguarding measures to prevent accidents. Enough of this stupid and arbitrary "realism" criteria. I think that anyone that complains about "realism" in a space game should be punished with an automatic degrade of his QD to sub-light speeds so he can enjoy his 2 hours-long trip from Hurston to Crusader LOL!

[@Zethez]

Do time sinks really belong in Combat Citizen?

[@motorheadabega]

I will be happy for scoped back feature starved 4.0 the earler the better if it gets wipe out of the way. Everything else can wait.

[@Venhili]

If they stop working on smoothing out the 3.24 issues and focused on getting 4.0 in, they'd have to go back and re touch 3.24 stuff, which I take it they don't want to do.

[@motorheadabega]

@@Venhili YE GODS PLEASE NO 😆 Hehe. What you said.

[@mckinney9739]

Generally my landings got WAY worse in 3.23. It’s getting better in 3.24 with the atmospheric changes but 3.23 just felt so awkward and clunky

[@chrislepoint8942]

the only problem i had with 3.24 was npc's killed my cpu 100 % of a ryzen 7 5800x but everything else was smooth hangers was smooth everything else ran 20 % 2.23 ran almost 50% cpu so fix npc's and its amazing

[@Spidder81]

Wish they would add 3d maps when landing and taking off instead of going into 3rd person. I will be surprised if we see any iteration of 4.0 this year. The only thing I wish they would change for hauling is that we could pick the box size. For example, a hauling mission of 100 SCU in mostly 8SCU boxes, probably wont fit a Freelancer Max of 120 SCU space because of how the boxes stack. Can only fit so many 8SCU until I run out of space, and can only fit 4 SCU and below on top. So now to do a 100 SCU trip in a 120 SCU ship isnt always viable. I have been enjoying 3.24 despite its bugs. I love manually doing everything, preparing and all that, but at the same time i do have a lot more time than probably most players to game. The issue is CIG will never be able to please everyone. CIG will go in the direction they want whilst taking feedback on that direction. Players will just have to decide whether this is a game for them or not at some point, its just how it is. You know the saying, a game for everyone is a game for no-one. Also great talk :)

[@Venhili]

I'll push back a bit on "a game for everyone is a game for no one" That's unequivocally false. There just might be entire sections of the game you look at and go "yeah, that's not for me" just like I do right now. Combat, not for me, I don't wanna be around it. I look forward to the menials of SC, the hygiene mechanics, the animations for equipping gear (getting dressed), the whole social spaces thing in Pyro where they do farming and repair, that's the shit that has me excited. Combat is over done in so many games. I don't think combat should be the core focus, but rather just one option.

[@Spidder81]

@@Venhili yeah see what ye saying, but sometimes combat is unavoidable and you will have to do it or just die. Pyro is going to be an even worse place to avoid combat, place is going to be home to psychos that just want to watch everyone and everything burn with no reasoning 🤣

[@Venhili]

@@Spidder81 again, wrong. I'll never have to do combat, that's why you Hire An Escort!

[@Spidder81]

@@Venhili okay

[@jasonhannah7483]

hey, its creepy stalker guy......!😱

[@seanc6754]

You watch me take of and land?... Not gunna lie i never saw you..kind of creepy bruh

[@john-paulfoster1703]

Screw 4.0 they need to fix this dumpster fire of a game. Content creators need to call CIG out not hype the next dumpster patch, watch it release and fake praise it, and then say 4.0 or the next jesus patch is coming SOON.

[@Wind_Lord]

4.0 is them trying to fix this “dumpster fire of a game”

[@john-paulfoster1703]

@@Wind_Lord and that will need a patch cause new tech and new this excuse

[@ActualFactsRacing]

Homeboy is on the koolaid. Good ep though!

[@Randaddy25]

Hangars are super broken at the moment.

[@Deodell314]

Living on our ships? I wouldn't dare put stuff of value on my ship. All the crashes and bugs. Constantly having to reclaim it. He'll I blew mey self up just loading a cargo box that got stuck in the corner of my C1 Pirit and bounced around 😂😅😂 not to mention griefers just blowing you up for funzies. . . Or how about not docking fast enough and your ship just vanishes and there you are, just floating around in space. Just yesterday all systems went hay wire and got stuck in some wierd spin and had to crash the game a repair player. . . Ya no.

[@AussiesnAnzacs]

Hybrid needs to hang on aussie servers :)

[@sketto1283]

Give me more control, not dumbing down flight.

[@M4VERICK69]

The missing Tech Preview channel tests during the wait for 3.23 & 3.24 of late are slightly discerning after CIG gave a number of clear indications that it was their plan to do that during the year ahead! A hard drop of SM as a barebones 4.0 seems likely at this point to keep things moving and possibly save face a little for the year that has been so far! Great Pod guys!

[@LucidStrike]

It seems likely they realized the Test Previews just weren't going to be quite as useful as they'd thought before or that they wouldn't need as many to get as much data as would be useful.

[@-DarkFox-]

Master Modes are the... (do your thing reply people)

[@Venhili]

Best. Master Modes are the best. Not the answer you wanted, but it's the one you're getting, amigo

[@boukm3n]

Worst thing since syphilis

[@frankobeans7239]

Basics are buggy I literally just fell through the ground finishing a bunker misson on way to my ship

[@chrislepoint8942]

star citizen is steal missing cooking,base building,bounty hunting also finished salving then the basics will be done then expanding all the basics

[@supersasquatch]

But they killed group spaceship bed which is very annoying as a mole couple

[@Lukes_adventures_]

There killing living on the ship by not allowing bed logging.. and the slow as shit atmosphere flight.. jumbo jets in real life are faster then a f7 in game its really sad 😔

[@AlarienEvenstar]

I think Hybrid killed it on this discussion, really pushing back on the current content creator narrative drive that the game is "omg, so late, dying, no promises met, nothing works" that is getting really tedious at the moment. Love Space Tomato, but too much of the discussion and too many of the questions seem to be coming from the SalteMike rant side and comes across as "leading the witness." I know they are just questions, but the constant tone of the questions being "is this really going to come out/work" is very eyeroll worthy after a while. As a note, I like Mike a lot when he's just being calm, but there are very few CC's for SC that go from being generally calm and balanced to a tantrum throwing infant like he does.

[@maverik19671]

Any news on the ironclad?seems to have vanished into thin air

[@Logar_Wilco]

in 5 years maybe?

[@aka3913]

1.5- 3 yrs out bro.

[@lordofthecritics]

LOL

[@bakad7424]

Honestly.. I don’t care about the bugs. Here for the ride.. even if it’s bumpy. Something not working? Find something else to do! lol.

[@uddek]

Such a boring take. He likes seeing slow landings. Watching skilled players come hauling @ss and land perfectly is so much more satisfying than watching granny take 5 minutes to land her ship. MasterModes fkn sucks. It's killed the experience for my group.

[@rtek777]

I hate the forced landing gear speed limit.

[@supersasquatch]

The new patch is awfully coded theme park garbage

[@supersasquatch]

Don't let them fool you

[@MrSeantchambers]

So dumb. Keep getting your free ships

[@velocitymg]

And this is the problem with star citizen right here in a nutshell. 3.24 is barely out and yet here you are wanting to talk about 4.0. You’re creating this ever accelerating cycle of want and demand that CIG has no hope of achieving for the sake of a few clicks. 4.0 will be out when it’s out and trying to bully CIG into moving faster just results in a lot of unhappy disappointed players.

[@gizmo104drives7]

As someone who has followed for around a year now. And have pledged the base content and had a poke around... This is so true.. lot of talk. Coping. Hoping. Wild fanboying. Theorising. Wondering ifs and buts... etc.. but not much happening really when you consider the time taken.. not to mention cash influx... but when you boot up the "game" it really is (and I'm sorry to say) a shambles... the word potential gets thrown around a lot. And yes.. it could be fan..tastic... but honestly with the progress as it has been for over 12 years now I honesty think it will be at least another decade... before we have a playable game. With enough content..That's fun. Engaging. WIthout ALL THE BUGS! That actually works. Happy to be wrong though. And I enjoy to a degree hearing people talk about it though and take it all with a grain of salt

[@fearstare]

I agree with this comment, please stop.

[@B.D.E.]

​@@gizmo104drives7Being honest about the state of the game makes people feel negative about it, then they stop watching youtube videos about it, and they don't make money.

[@LucidStrike]

It's in the course of alpha development. It's not like the game is feature complete and only getting cosmetics and each patch. It's not CIG or Tomato's fault if some people are bad at emotional self-regulation. I don't ever really get frustrated about SC development personally. 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@fearstare]

@@LucidStrike Exactly. So if everyone just let CIG cook and shut up about the game it would be better, whats even better is if they shut down the live service all together which is slowing them down and work on the game that would take like 5 years off of the development time. 4.0 is not coming this year, nor is it coming next year. Mark my words here. Server meshing is coming in after GTA6. 1.0 will be out by 2033.