Star Citizen 7800X3D, new CPU king? can it beat the 13900K? 👑

[@demiadeyemi4434]

Awesome video. This is easily my favourite channel on KZbin. Love how you really analysed the results and how accurate your predictions were. You clearly know your stuff. Can’t wait until the next one :)

[@KFC-Warrior]

Honestly love your videos. Despite not even hearing about this star citizen game till i watched your videos, the way you present your results and findings is such that anyone that is just savvy about these products can look at your videos and find useful information. Excellent work.

[@fooook92]

I still have an x370 mobo (C6H) with 4x8gb micron e die oced at 3733 14-10-18-16-36 and I slapped on it an 5800x3d coming from 3800x (and 1700 before!). Huge upgrade imho, but watching these benchs makes me want to upgrade again lol. I'll probably wait for next gen stuffs, even because I won't change my 3080 for a while and playing at 3440x1440 probably will make differences smaller. Thanks for the tests!

[@Hoofie]

Thanks for including the Zentimings picture. Wouldnt mind some numbers for the 13900k as well! While your X3D tuned timings are way better than the XMP\Expo garbage ones, theres definitely room for improvement. tWTRS to 4, tWR can probably go to 48, tRTP to 12, tRDWR to 16, tWRRD to 1-2. Other than that your subs are fine for the most part. A-die can also go as low as 120ns-ish tRFC, which is around 380-390 tRFC or so, but that requires testing, and maybe more mem VDD voltage as you're close to the limit. 450 should be a safe-ish place to be for most people on A-die, but if you want some better Aida latency numbers, thats a good place to start. Although pushing timings as low as you can for Aida latency doesnt always translate to better game performance, as I'll explain further down. tRFC2 and tRFCsb arent used on AM5 atm, so you can set those to whatever. Same goes for tRDRD/tWRWR SD+DD, only used on dual rank sticks so you can have a long row of 1's if you want it to look nice on your SR kit :) Although I havent tested those exact timings, you may actually be in error correction territory with those primary timings. You usually want to go tRTP + tRCDRD = tRAS, and tRAS + tRP = tRC. Your tRC is a bit below your tRAS + tRP at the moment, so you could see some slowdowns because of that, thanks to DDR5s on-die ECC thingymajig. I saw a decent improvement when following that rule / formula for my primaries on my 7700X in gaming (from 210fps to 220fps in Riftbreaker, and 320 to 360 fps in SotTomb Raider while using the same subtimings), and while the X3D doesnt scale all that well with ram you might see some extra frames as well. No guarantees though, havent tested it myself on X3D yet! For reference, my 6400 CL32 XMP\Expo garbage timings gave me 185 fps in Riftbreaker, and sub 300 fps in SotTR on the 7700X, so even with some error correction I had massive gains from the secondary\tertiary timings alone, which is what we're seeing here as well. Time for me to say goodbye to the 7700X though, as I got the 7800X3D on the table next to me atm!

[@coolbvwes1]

I got hynix 'm die with my 7800x3d upgraded from my 9700k samsung bdie ram. How sensetive are the hynix ram kits to temperature? Because I had to cool my Samsung b die under 45 degrees. Is this the same with ddr5 hynix?

[@Hoofie]

​@@coolbvwes1 Looks like youtube killed my reply, so here we go again. If you are running spicy timings you generally want to stay below 45-50c on Hynix A\M-die as well. At 45c or higher the ram starts acting like the refresh interval is longer than what you set your tREFI to, and it eventually skips the internal refresh. This is something that only happens internally on the ram, so the CPU assumes that its still being done so performance wont really be affected. It can cause issues and errors down the line if the temps go too high when you're pushing the timings a bit too hard. My a-die kit starts giving me errors around 50-55c, but that is with some fairly spicy timings. I'm currently running 6400c28-37-30-49-79 at 1,52v, so I need active cooling to keep it at around 45-46c. My subtimings are fairly similar to Game Days, with the timings I mentioned above being different. I'm also running tRFC 390, which is on the very edge of what my kit can do. (errors at 382) This is on a-die though, and how hard you can push timings on m-die is slightly different. If you want to run some timings that will give you 80-90% of the performance increase, check out Buildzoid \ Actually Hardcore Overclock's Easy ram timings for Hynix on AM5 video. Those timings are way easier to run, and arent really that temperature sensitive so you can probably go into the 50's without any issues. I do recommend following the lil' formula \ rule for your tRAS and tRC though, as you dont want to have your ram hit speedbumps while gaming. You'll probably sacrifice 0.5-1ns Aida64 latency compared to lowering your tRAS and tRC into the 30's and 60's, but thats not important for gaming anyways. Some people (Veiii) also recommends an additional +3 on your tRC for some extra stability.

[@jankratochvil9779]

I have 7800x3d for 510 euro ddr5 32gb cl32- 6200mhz ( 6000mhz wasnt avaible) ,116 euro and mmx670e mobo 305 euro. 20% tax included. All in all pretty much ideal combination of components costed me 931e here in the midle of Europe. 2150euro whole new pc after 7 years , equiped with 7900xtx. Its clearly well cooled high-end gaming rig, nothing more nothing less.

[@jankratochvil9779]

First time with AMD after 10years :).

[@saint9487]

Cool! thankss! Dogfight please in yela , need to see drops frames)) most important

[@gamedaytoday1]

Sounds like a good idea

[@saint9487]

@@gamedaytoday1 I looked at all the x3d chips and probably because of the frequencies or for some other reason during the battle, even 1 on 1 pve fps drops heavily on them, whereas there is no such problem on intel. In the freefly on the broken moon, fps also drops more strongly compared to 5.5-5.8 ghz at intel

[@gamedaytoday1]

@@saint9487 I am not surprised to hear that. It also makes sense why Intel is doing so good with 8200Mhz RAM

[@DaPoets]

4K & 1440P? Thanks for your work on this.

[@beatthebest6812]

LG c2 = 4k 120hz,

[@vanjakloz362]

You need to test again with CO -30 (or whatever you get as stable)

[@CellDE]

you wont get mich higher clocks the 7800x3d is artificially step lower ....

[@SourceMan808]

upgraded from i7 8700k with 16gb ddr4 3000mt to 7800x3d/32gb ddr5 6000mt, and the difference is unreal in SC! It feels like an entirely new game :D

[@donvancu]

im now on i78700k and 3200 ddr4...not sure if to go to i5 13600k or this one...

[@SourceMan808]

​@@donvancu 13600k still has plenty of power with its 6P & 8E cores, you will need process lasso to isolate the P cores in some games. 7800x3d does have a lot more L3 cache which SC loves , but the 13600k still has decent amount. If you don't mind spending extra for a am5 build, I'd definitely go for it for longevity.

[@jacksonmulville2200]

@@SourceMan808 whats your pc build?

[@SourceMan808]

@@jacksonmulville2200 CPU: 7800X3D @1.2v GPU: 6900XTX RAM: DDR5 32gb T-Force MOBO: MSI B650 Tomahawk

[@WhiteoutTech]

@@donvancu definietly get the 7800X3D. it's much faster in Star Citizen

[@seanc6754]

Seeing the server fps fluctuate between 4fps- 2 fps just makes all warm and fuzzy inside... Can yall imagine when server meshing finally gets going and the servers are running 20 to 30fps and once they rly get it dialed in could we possibly see 50?

[@teddyjackson1902]

Play a different game. Bethesda just released Starfield about a month ago.

[@niks660097]

@@teddyjackson1902 lol starfield, the loading screen simulator, with 4km randomly generated planet hubs.

[@teddyjackson1902]

@@niks660097 exactly.

[@therealevan]

I know it will become GPU bound, but what is the impact at say 4k or 1440p UW?

[@gamedaytoday1]

You can get a rough idea from this video: Star Citizen 4090 + 13900k Max Benchmark Review | 4K 1440p 1080p kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4SwqqhqrNqHarM

[@mrsparkle001]

Hmm my average FPS in Area 18 with a 7800x3d and 4090 is nowhere near 90. I bounce between 48-70 FPS. I don't know what's wrong.

[@gamedaytoday1]

Could be a memory thing and or temp, is it tuned?

[@mrsparkle001]

@@gamedaytoday1 it’s a memory thing. It’s running at 4800 stable and cool and I don’t want to mess with it

[@JohnRGoudy]

How much do I have to pay you to help me tune my new pc 😅…. I just build my new PC 7800X3D, 4080 and 64gb 6000MHz (SK Heinz). I haven’t tried tuning it yet and run at 1440p but overall it seems like an improvement over my last pc.

[@JaderAntunes]

Great video. I’m happy with my 13900k. I was expecting more from the 7800x3d. But if consider the price and energy consumption, the 7800x3d wins. I just bought the lg c2 today and it’s amazing. I have a 4090 and Idk what’s happening but when turning off the nvidia compatible and turning on the vsync in the nvidia control panel, the fps is stuck in 60fps. All of my games it’s working fine with 120fps. The problem with the nvidia compatible on is the flickering. Would you mind to share if it happens with you? Thanks

[@gamedaytoday1]

Hmm don’t us v Sync use G sync

[@kaisersolo76]

great video. Why only -10 CO you can go a lot further -45 all per core for me.

[@Markisha64]

My is stable at -30, didnt try lower. Is that stable, like all conditions stable (benchmark, stress test, sleep/wake, idle, load=>no load)?

[@jankratochvil9779]

Isnt important only how its stable, but also how it performs. I am using 4x -10 4x-5 , becouse of it performs better than - 30, plus after 30+ minutes of gameplay , still same framerates . Avarage clock is just higher. Cpus temps or rigs temps are cool and pc is super silent, 14000 in time spy is more than i need.

[@njasicko]

I am on positive per core curve using async OC and a 106.4 FLCK ;)

[@Hoofie]

CO values can be different depending on the motherboard you use, and even the bios versions. Usually around 3-5mV per step.

[@FunktasticLucky]

​@@njasicko how's the heat and power and what are your offsets? Just curious. I might dabble a bit on fclk overclocking to see if it improves performance. I'd like to get a 5.4Ghz overclock

[@Evem69]

how do u tune memory?

[@21gramm31]

B650M GAMING X AX, 7800x3d and ddr5 6000 EXP0 now I'm waiting for a liquid cooling system and I have a little time, now I found out that these processors sometimes burn out, and that this may be due to the settings related to EXP0 and I'm scared, I heard that some manufacturers boards (ASUS) released new BIOSes for their boards to fix these problems, but I don't know how it is with GIGABYTE, I will of course update the BIOS before activating EXP0 on my board, but is it enough, I don't need to fix any voltage settings?

[@paulpaul3559]

Yes. SOC voltage ~ 1.05-1.10v, DRAM Voltage VDD 1.35v-1.4v DRAM VDDQ Voltage 1.25v-1.3v

[@bar10dr]

Please use 4k resolution, with these specs I assume very few people play on 1080? I might be wrong

[@gamedaytoday1]

It is a CPU test, but yeah I will include more resolutions in the future

[@robins3510]

E cores on or off?

[@JomarsYT]

What kit of ram is that and are safe those voltage?

[@gamedaytoday1]

here are the ram sticks: amzn.to/3SVQbmU

[@aditesto7918]

How high would the SOC Voltage be with this d ram tuning ?

[@gamedaytoday1]

1.3

[@Naqaj]

Can the AM5 platform not handle the higher RAM speeds that you reached with the 13900k?

[@gamedaytoday1]

It is the CPUs internal memory controller that cant reach higher. In addition it is limited by its fabric clock.

[@JusstyteN]

ryzen x3d is the best cpu period its pretty much the same as intel or better or very close in performance. ryzen is a lot cheaper, the platform is future proof as a long lasting am5 unlike intel. the power efficiency is just insane so it wont heat up the room, it will be more quiet, in fact total silent with proper fan curves, the cooler will be cheaper, you wont need any lga mods for bending etc, its just no brainer to go with intel. 8 cores is more then enough for me to do everything. i even pbo overclocked it to 4,9ghz and it only consumes 50w gaming its bonkers

[@LucidStrike]

I think the 4090 sometimes performs best with the 13900K, while the 7900 XTX performs best with Ryzen X3D pretty much across the board. I have the XTX, so I'm saving for a shift to a 7950X3D system. I'm not upgrading that card until SC introduces pathtracing or some such shit.

[@cebuch.]

how about 4k?

[@gamedaytoday1]

Here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXm5o5priNNra5Y

[@entropyapathy]

What kind of a sick freak uses max motion blur?

[@dh9030]

As appreciative as I am for this review, I walk away with really no useful information, because I don't know what kind of performance increase I'd be getting at 1440p and 4K with my 4090 running on a 5800X3D. I get you're testing CPU's, but there are enough of those 1080p pure CPU benchmarks done by Gamers Nexus and the like, this is more focused on real world use cases for Star Citizen gaming. No one is going to play Star Citizen at 1080p with a 4090. 1440p & 4K should be added to your future benchmarks or you're just wasting your and our time.

[@gamedaytoday1]

Here is a video for you: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXm5o5priNNra5Y Might test the 5800X3 in 4k vs 7800X3D soon

[@GioCTRL]

Too bad these beasts are too powerful to keep themselves under control and not blow up

[@gamedaytoday1]

They are not all blowing up, the news make it seem like it’s more common, but it’s a minority case just like the 4090 power connector catching fire. There were only 23 confirmed cases (and 6 more unconfirmed) of 4090 power connector catching fire.

[@jankratochvil9779]

@@gamedaytoday1 yea internet is enjoying technical issues of gpus, without actualy any kind of respect to that fact, graphic cards are one of examples of the most complicated and advanced micro tech devices on this planet, its not dishwasher or avarage modern car. Defects are being expected. Actualy every gpu in the world has technical bugs and design imperfeections drivers are able to fix many of these issues via software in lomg run. Other glitches are often fixed with whole new generation, two years later:-) doesnt metter who made that gpu, it is what it is.

[@njasicko]

@@gamedaytoday1 100% my 7800x3d with EXP, Memory also at 6400 with MC Voltage locked at 1.35v is fantastic. Even with a async OC running at 5.4Ghz power usage is sub 98w and under 78c under load.

[@Wimpelmann]

@@njasicko 7800x3d is locked to 5050Mhz all core???? Or are you using a external ClockGen?

[@drakcoreoriginal]

@@njasicko What brand/model is the ram and cooler you are using?