Star Citizen 7900X3D Tuned for Maximum FPS!

[@jonahhekmatyar]

+100 fps with only six cores! Crazy performance. The 7950x3d, even with the regular ccd disabled is gonna be awesome. And here I was thinking my 5950x would last me a long time, lol. Thanks for the in-depth review

[@tofewnames]

It is 100+ fps and not +100 fps. And you are right it is really impressive.

[@jnthn.x]

Finally! Been waiting for this test for SC. It's really insane for a 6 core processor to have that fps. I'm really excited for 7800X3D. I'm holding my upgrade till the result for 7800X3D came out. Thank you for the in-depth video.

[@toddsimone7182]

To be fair you're running the 13900k on ddr4

[@ItsJustVV]

You need to give RPL the fair treatment too: max OC + DDR5 7600-7800 tuned, if it can 8000 tuned, then see who is the better chip. What you have now with DDR4 tuned is good, but not the best for RPL.

[@Rumline7]

Great content! You earned my sub. I can't believe your channel doesn't have more traffic.

[@gamedaytoday1]

Much appreciated!

[@demiadeyemi4434]

Great review of the 7900X3D! Quality content :)

[@sphaera3809]

This is awesome! Thank you for taking the time to run these tests. Qq: what is your Loreville run path? Bed to ship showroom?

[@gamedaytoday1]

You can see the loreville run from here 0:40-1:35

[@vulcan4d]

So a 7600x3d would be the best CPU ever made for gaming :). Would be interesting to test just a 7600 with tuned memory timings. Clearly SC is sensitive to latency.

[@kaisersolo76]

Great review . Just picked up a 32gb 6000 cl36 set for a £100. looking at boards now.

[@bio-nukes4136]

nice that you added 10#42's results too

[@Nachokinz]

I would have been fine with a hit to frequency if it meant that both CCDs had vcache on them meaning no messing with core parking or disabling. While a solid performer it still seems like a missed opportunity; regardless thank you for taking the time to test out the 7900X3D.

[@blkspade23]

The problem is most games aren't going to scale like Star Citizen tries to anytime soon, and Inter-CCD communication actually still gives some games issues. We've been seeing this in cases where the standard R7X beats R9Xs. So you probably still wouldn't benefit from dual V-cache in games most of the time. All low threaded games that already don't like dual CCDs don't magically get better making the cache uniform. There are games and most apps that won't care about the cache at all, so its more useful to have the option of the higher clocked die. Keep in mind that reviewer's simulated 7800X3D is up to 8% slower in typical MT productivity than the 7700X. I think the AM4 versions are more like 6%. The 7950X3D manages around the same 8% loss vs the 7950X. That's more acceptable than say 12-18% from dual V-cache, for a chip that only exists because you should care about productivity to some extent more to get it in the 1st place. It's doesn't make any sense to get a 16 core, that much slower for so much more money, to have something extra, but not useful most of the time. It would exist next to the standard X and the 13900K, both of which mainly make sense if you do more than game.

[@Nachokinz]

@@blkspade23 First off, thank you for taking the time to explain and I see where you're coming from with frequency and CCD issues. In my opinion the cpu should simply work out of the box without software applications like xbox game bar or process lasso to get the most performance. Intel was able to pull off task scheduling more seamlessly in its 12th and 13th generation performance with efficiency cores. Reminds me of the controversy surrounding the threadripper 2000wx series with its ram access issues. It will indeed depend on ones use case as it is a more specialized lineup; I suppose we won't know for sure until/if AMD releases such a product.

[@blkspade23]

@@Nachokinz Another thing people aren't acknowledging is that Intel's solution wasn't seamless at the start. It literally required a whole new OS release, prevented some games from launching at all, and there can still be performance degradation from the E cores in some cases. Star citizen is one of those cases where performance is still lost having them activated. Most tuning guides were just suggesting turning them off for gaming. There is limited probability they'd ever benefit game performance because they have both lower IPC and clocks, which makes them disproportionately slower at turning in work in latency sensitive scenarios. If you wanted to use them specifically for something like OBS you'd still have to set the affinity manually.

[@Nachokinz]

@@blkspade23 Fair enough; it did require a lot of work from Intel and its still far from perfect, thank you for sharing.

[@njasicko]

Thanks for the review

[@Andyboybv]

Could you please show us how you tuned the memory exactly? In the bios with the voltages and the frequencies on the memory controller and the infinity fabric. Thanks for the video and love it!

[@gamedaytoday1]

This will be a separate video in the future, takes forever to make these videos. :)

[@Andyboybv]

@@gamedaytoday1 Thank you! That would be great! Subscribed :)

[@Andyboybv]

@@gamedaytoday1 Also I have the same motherboard and cpu , that's why I was so curious

[@Zeonymous]

Still waiting.

[@MrGatz]

Is there a video where you show us the process to tune the ram? @Game Day. Regarding the 7900x3D; i'm really not sure what the product managers were thinking about this dual CCD 6 core product sandwiched between the 7950x3d and upcoming 7800x3d

[@redlock2000]

You are using Version 3.17.5 or 3.18 of Star Citizen? Because both versions sometimes deal very differently with the CPU resources.

[@gamedaytoday1]

3.17 will test 3.18 when it’s on the live servers

[@lokoboymendez7743]

Great video!

[@notoriouspc]

first. Any videos you recommend for learning how to tune memory? I have 4x8gb crucial ballistix 3600mhz cl16. Wanting to see if I can squeeze a little more performance out of my system but don't know where to start. Thanks!

[@gamedaytoday1]

Hey Carter, is it for intel platform or AMD?

[@notoriouspc]

@@gamedaytoday1 Sorry I didn't get to you earlier. I'm on an AMD platform. Specifically a 5800x3d. Thanks again.

[@gamedaytoday1]

​@@notoriouspc Hmmm I wish there were good guides for AMD, If I where you I'd start here kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4nLon6cZZJmfqM&ab_channel=TheGoodOldGamer Then go down the Ram tuning Rabbithole and watch as may vids

[@meldepinda]

Awesome video! Could you by any chance lock star Citizen to core 1-8 and any other programs (Discord, trackir, obd) that use cpu to cores 9-16 when you get the 7950x3d? That way the game would be forced to use 1-8 and the other stuff 9-16 to reduce the load on vcache. Just as an experiment, to see if there is further performance increase

[@RobBCactive]

That's exactly what the automatic updated driver software tries to do, the Xbox game bar has profiles and most games will enjoy the cache, while often older games like raw frequency and are lighter threaded. The MS Windows scheduler tries to keep threads running on the same CCX, not switch them around like it used to do so the cache is warm. Idle CPUs are put into a power saving mode (parking), but will be used if there's the threads and utilisation. That reserves the power budget for useful work allowing higher boosting and better thermals.

[@blkspade23]

@@RobBCactive I don't think the game bar is really doing any scheduling. Parking the cores basically just makes them ineligible to receive threads, but only if they stay parked. If they get woken up by anything, the game would ultimately consider them eligible. The game bar just suggests that the other CCD isn't used at launch, and most games probably wouldn't wake additional cores on their own. Star citizen however will use up to 19-20 threads, in brief intervals. Either its behavior completely overrides the Game bar, or the bar never sorts it. Still most testing shows an improvement by outright disabling the other CCD. That would indicate that the bar isn't locking any games threads to CCD0, or doing any work to actively ensure threads never hop. It's something that I think will work well enough for most people, in most cases. It can just be made better by users willing to do some affinity management. Most things people run in the background are largely irrelevant, in terms of CPU cycles. As mentioned, we game performance go up with one CCD disabled in spite of everything else likely running on that 1 CCD. So I think setting the affinity for other applications really only needs to be done if you want a particularly CPU heavy task running while gaming. Something like OBS.

[@RobBCactive]

@@blkspade23 You're right that the Windows Scheduler in kernel schedules threads, but the Microsloth Game Bar has in user space access to millions of game runs and can collate performance data. The kernel cannot be psychic, there's a reason for telemetry and diagnostic data. Counters in the CPU can help figure cache hit rates by MS code in dll's AND later used by the Game Bar utility to intelligently configure CCD usage. So profiling is collecting data and analysing it, it's part of optimisation. People are misunderstanding the info put out, there's a number of debunk videos about the rumours made by well known tech tubers who aren't click bait rumour merchants. There's evidence AMD are going for a true bug.little approach but using Zen compact cores at laptop power saving frequency plus full cache full power cores. This asymmetric x3D launch is a smart way to gather the data and build out the knowledge and information infrastructure to make coming laptops better on battery.

[@donhearn2248]

I wonder if the 5% highs hint towards how the game will shift when optimization of the game engine takes place

[@StillnessInMotion88]

Love this kind of videos, great content bud, appreciate all the effort! Is there any chance you would do an in-depth guide on ddr5 ram tuning (with primary secondary and tertiary timings?) This is the last thing I cannot properly tune in my system. I watched so many how to vids but they are all so vague about most of the process.

[@gamedaytoday1]

Eventually I will have a dedicated video on tuning ram, some time this year. It is one thing doing it yourself and another thing teaching others in the most simplest way, across different Motherboards BIOS, RAM types etc and then putting it into a video. It will take a lot of time to put a video like that together, because it needs to be Peak! chef kiss

[@StillnessInMotion88]

@@gamedaytoday1 thanka for looking into it at somw point! Yeah exactly that is the problem, there are too many variables and rabbit holes so I understand how monumental is the undertaking pf such video!

[@Swatmat]

your PC is great looking, but you may want to put the CPU AIO radiator on the vertical, you never really want the pump to be the highest point

[@gamedaytoday1]

I like to give my pump a challenge 😅

[@rausgetappt]

Have they done some optimisation in the meantime, so you can finally use all cores and benefit from it?

[@greedydoom1728]

Brilliant man, nice vid... there's something I can do with my 5950x and 3080 to reach the same fps or near?

[@gamedaytoday1]

Overclock the 5950x and 3080, and tune your ram.

[@donhearn2248]

You are a saint Game Day

[@gamedaytoday1]

😇

[@Tainted-Soul]

just think if they had put 3d cache on both ccd's the 7900x3d would have been great I too missed out on the 7950x3d and sound like the same way lol paid for it a got the order email went to work and came home checked my emails expecting one to say Despatched just to find nothing! then the next day I got an email saying that they had ran out of stock. grrr. on the point about 7950x3d and 7900x3d issued before the 7800x3d I heard it that it may be down to how it was shipped . the 7950 &7900 my air and the 7800 by boat and thats why its 6 weeks different. not sure or have any idea but it may be. Still cant make up my mind to go for the 7950x3d or 7800x3d . It may come down to which one comes in stock first

[@gamedaytoday1]

The reason for the 6 weeks difference is that AMD wanted to sell the 7950X3D and 7900X3D first because they cost more and have higher margins but should be equal to the 7800X3D performance give or take. They definitely wanted to get the 6core chiplet (7900X3D) sold out to clear that inventory. After 6 months the first buyers can't return the 7950X3D or the 7900X3d as most consumer return rights ends 2 to 4 weeks after purchase so it is perfect timing to launch the 7800X3D after as it is virtually the same as the 7950X3D with 1 CCD disabled (the 7950X3D only has 200Mhz higher clock on the V-Cache than 7800X3D) It was purely a strategic decision by AMD. If you get anyone it is a win for sure

[@mikebarron8702]

I have heard some youtuber overclocked a 7950x3d to 1.44 and fried the cpu. I'm a little nervous about OC these chips.

[@mistejoe2483]

How did you get expo working? When ever I hit expo on bios I cant boot into my computer more and have to flash my bios....

[@sphaera3809]

It would be interesting to see what improvement the 3D cache brings to SC in 4K.

[@HyrrokkinX]

well.. would like to correct you on something, the graphic settings slider in SC, from very high to low do not modify actual graphic settings, instead, its a cpu to gpu and viceversa slider (it lets you decide where to move the load) with high cores cpu since long time and especially now with the 3DS, i invite you to use it at low and see for yourself the results.

[@joeheeney4821]

If you want to optimize the game then you should be running the OS on the non-VCache cores. Or whatever services of the OS do not have to communicate directly via CPU channels with the game. Your current config has all of the OS services and the game on the same cores, competing for run time and communications channels. You can specify which services run on which cores. For games it will automatically prefer the V-cache cores. Do the world a favor and work out which OS services must be run on the V-cache if any. The internet will beat a path to your door.

[@sjoervanderploeg4340]

What if you use an affinity mask for Star Citizen instead, so the OS does not need to park the other cores but can still delegate work there instead? Just parking or disabling a CCD is very bad practice, there are many other threads that run on the CPU that could very well be running on parked cores instead. Seems like a decade of BIG.little has taught us exactly nothing on the PC platform.

[@AegisDynamics]

How is the 7950x3d less performance than the 7900x3d? I am in the edge of being depressed.

[@gamedaytoday1]

The 7950X3D is faster, but I tuned the memory which helped. A tuned system will always be better than a stock system when using similar specs.

[@AegisDynamics]

@@gamedaytoday1 ohhhh i see! Thank you Very much! I found a 2x32 gskill ram 6000mhz cl32 . According to my mobo Asus Rog crosshair x67e extreme manual this is the speed needed for 2x32 gb ram. Before i buy them do you have any suggestion regarding a better ram? Also the ram kit says 6000mhz , can i overclock this?

[@TheDashACorner]

Thanks again. I personally would prefer the 7950x3d. Why? Because I don't just play that a game. Would use process lasso to give *insert game here* the X3D cores and then I still have 8 cores free for all the other stuff. KZbin, netflix, twitch or whatever. Pretty sure that in my scenario a 7950x3d makes more sense than a 7800x3d. But for everyone who doesn't "multitask" the 7800x3d will be the best deal. But I'm still longing for 13900k with 7600+ finetuned DDR5 benches. I hope you will be able to do that. If not also fine. But it would give us a better comparison. Well the 7000x3ds are efficient as fuck. That's something Intel can't compete with without a doubt.

[@tee4222]

Okay I really gotta figure out how to tune my 13900k.. I’m probably averaging 55fps in 1440p with a 4090, on a ddr5 system. Usually 50-70fps with 1% lows in the 30s. I should be getting way better frames

[@gamedaytoday1]

are the e cores on?

[@tee4222]

@@gamedaytoday1 No I already disabled them with process lasso

[@Sn1PeRZzBLOOD]

Impressive, I don’t think it’s common to see an AMD platform running on 6400mhz DDR5. Most AMD platforms will experience memory issues when above 6000mhz, especially above 6200. The Memory controller of the Ryzen 7000 CPU’s are pretty unstable when running high memory speeds.

[@QuaK3RRR]

is dualrank still better then singlerank ?

[@gamedaytoday1]

Yes

[@QuaK3RRR]

@@gamedaytoday1 wouldnt it be smarter to use dualrank ddr5 cuz of the limit of lets say in ur case 6400 mhz ?

[@ChadKenova]

Would love to see hogwarts legacy tested i just got my 7950X3d, B650E Aorus Master, sadly i was in a hurry and grabbed the wrong ram thought I got 60000 cl36 though i grabbed cl30 and i had to drive almost 3 hours to microcenter don’t think im gonna drive back and take the ram back. But I guess I could tune but i might drive back😢

[@Odeezee]

wait, if you have 6000 CL30 right now, that is tighter and therefore better memory than the CL36 you were wanting to get, so why do you want to return it?

[@CellDE]

when setting my 5900x only to use ccd0 12 cores with ht iam getting better fps as well ... so registry hacks or tools like process lasso helps to drain the juicy

[@dreambuild8975]

Will 7800x3d be even better?

[@gamedaytoday1]

Will find out once I get my hands on it

[@1-Oriana-1]

Please do the i7 13700k on ddr5 if you have to please use the 13900k simulating the i7 13700k

[@gamedaytoday1]

The 13700k is the same it has 8 cores too. Just a bit slower clock

[@1-Oriana-1]

@@gamedaytoday1 this i know i dont mean tune it mean configure the i9 to run at stock frequency of the i7 you can also use ddr4 it does not matter i just want to know how it runs in comparison for example am i losing 10 fps or 30 fps

[@gamedaytoday1]

@@1-Oriana-1 Technically I already did that check it out here kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJvQlHukoLuhp8k

[@1-Oriana-1]

@@gamedaytoday1 ok thank you

[@mikebarron8702]

I wanted to get DDR5 6200 or faster but I hear anything over 6000 is a crap shoot.

[@Duchuvip]

Great video, but we need to be more realistic! No one practicly afford rtx4090. 7900x3d will be mostly pared with 4070 Ti or 7900Xt. Cheers

[@miguelramadinha959]

Hello man can u please explain how you disable ccd1?

[@gamedaytoday1]

What motherboard do you use?

[@miguelramadinha959]

@@gamedaytoday1 tuf gaming b650 plus. And can u say if it voids warranty or its ok to disable it?

[@gamedaytoday1]

@@miguelramadinha959 Ah ok, heard that there is a bug with the Asus motherboard that could cause the system not to boot if you disable one of the CCD. However you can always clear cmos to reset your BIOS if this issue persist. So if I where you I would just download the latest ASUS BIOS to ensure everything is up to date. Then to disable CCD2 go to the BOIS and search for: 'CPU Core Count Control,' it clearly states under 'CCD 01 Bit Map Down Core Control:' . The defaults for both CCD 00 and CCD 01 are . Change CCD 01 to , then click apply changes. If it is too complicated i'll have to make a video of this in the future

[@miguelramadinha959]

Truly apreciate your response. Will test it out ! Thank you!

[@EvolanderX]

I get why you’re benchmarking at 1080p but what happens when you bump up to 1440p or 4k? Does having a better cpu matter? I mean, who the hell spends top dollar for a cpu and RTX 4090 just to play at 1080p lol?! No reviewer ever covers this. Madness.