Star Citizen | CIG will have to MAKE A CHOICE

[@jamessullivan5214]

Exploration will just be finding points of interest in the systems that they build every 5-7 years. CIG has no plans to put out a hundred systems. Pvp players won't have anything to worry about. I do foresee a lot of angry PVE players when they realize just how pvp focused the game is. CIG can barely get npcs to sit in chairs, so don't expect anything too interesting from them.

[@marsMayflower]

exploration will always be the right choice

[@TipsizAdam3535]

Too late for SC to take that decision.

[@happysappy7851]

Back in the day when they did polls, didn't Exploration win like %80 of "What do you want to do most in SC?" I mean Carrack for years was the top ship because all the Gen X backers want to live out their Star Trek fantasies. But the streamers(which CIG use as free marketing) had to create "Player generated content" and that is PvP mostly if not only. This game is going to be a massive failure trying to cater to opposite audiences.

[@warren3174]

They have to find a balance. The Gen X backers you mention casually are a majority of the player base. This game fails if it sides with either. Lets be real tho, this game fails if they dont address all the issues this year. 1M:32K hours is awful stats

[@bentwing7397]

Yup I bought a PC Space Sim, it's far from that. Then they have the balls to scream at us saying it was ALWAYS MMO.

[@quarkedupphoton236]

@@warren3174 Agree they need to deal with the issues and I think it revolves around server meshing and the effectiveness of their backends (databases, routers, application servers etc) to work with the front end game servers and clients and dont know if they have the tech for it because they sure didn't in 2012. Beyond that, the PvE/PvP and exploration thing is not a generational discussion. I believe the many game loops can be accomplished in these massive star systems. There is so much room and so much potential. For example, the Aaron Halo/, Yela belt, Pyro 6 belt, number of POIs, and the size of lagrange points is large enough for miners, haulers, explorers, and yet have likely points of interest and routes for PvPrs. It comes down to star system design and CIG creativity not different servers and special shards. The convo on this is ridiculous imo.

[@stuartburns8657]

All those early voters are likely dead now. Anyway, their money is in CIG's vaults now, it's the latest cash mules ruling the vote. OG's opinions are a thing of the past

[@heru_ur6017]

They pay those streamers.

[@Solo.Huemun]

chris roberts may have been part of the development teams of great games back in the day. All he is interested in (& always has) is being a movie director. We were all suckers when star citizen was introduced. Enough is enough. I still don't understand how people are still been suckered into this bullshittery. I get it, just like you said, the cig content regurgitating shills keep pushing this garbage. This has so much potential and alot of that should have been realised in year 13, but as long as chris the movie director & jared the clown are around, star citizen is going nowhere. Watch a series by binkie atx & you understand exactly why star citizen is where it is. Brilliant vid.

[@Solo.Huemun]

I forgot to add that players must influence with their wallets. Stop throwing good money after bad. Some great developers will be part of the collateral damage, but that is all on chris!

[@windgods1414]

They could follow Eve's example, Null sec systems, and High security systems that actually works. If you don't like PVP, no problem, plenty to do in High sec systems.

[@maxjergens]

The big EVE alliances own vast amounts of space which they never use, and most folks will be killed if they try to visit or use it.

[@KD-_-]

@@windgods1414 I wasn't aware Stanton was removed from the game in 4.0. When are we getting jump points?

[@KD-_-]

@@maxjergens if they never use it you can in fact ninja use their space with a little scouting... I've done it and made 100s of millions

[@jimrussell4062]

@@KD-_- Misguided sarcasm, bud. Go back and try again.

[@nuanil]

@@KD-_- Stanton doesn't actually have law enforcement, it's at best a 0.1 sec system if we're using Eve as a reference.

[@MikePhilbin1966]

Every time I see a tiny ship in a massive hangar, "I fucking hate the GLARING PILE OF SHIT this game has become," too harsh?

[@Malikron]

I get the SC hate, I do - but every video this guy releases is how dog shit SC is. He LOVES that he hates it lol.

[@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n]

​@@Malikron SC is a dog shit bag ass game its so boring that I make up new words just to shit on it

[@emeldahay]

@@Malikron he does the odd positive video. The shill chanels They're 99% positive with 1% negative. GEM does opposite with 1% positive. Gem is closer % wise to what it should be.

[@StevenTheGeek]

There’s nothing wrong with that, the issue is the elevator should be part of our hanger. so we should be able to use a terminal to fill the platform with ships and hit go, and it should preserve it. So we can leave our little ship on the elevator without blocking other ships

[@JWalker-FireFrost]

Took 38 days to get my concierge ticket responded to for a refund , I used ccus so refunded straight ships I bought paladin , starlacers ect , the ccu chain to persius had to wait another 2 weeks at which point I had 2 106.00 purchases they refunded both on their site but only 1 was processed by cc company , another ticket in guess it's another month wait .lol they just want to keep the money , so done with the pile of sh@t , the game and company .

[@NescoDillof]

U bought ships with real money you r3t4rd blame yourslef😂

[@twentyeighthunnid]

Interesting. For how long have you been a concierge - how old is your account? If they further slow and dumb shit down I'll try to pull out too...

[@stuartburns8657]

Oh, are they still giving real money refunds then? Thought they'd tried to con and scare everyone with the constant TOC changes? Did you do a CC charge back then?

[@Schinken_]

But they did give you back the money it just took time. So dont see how your accusation comes from. Also you want to get back the money from a paladin so yea that ship sales started at the end of november. So sounds like your ticket came earliest first week of dezember So how did it take 38 days? dosent make sense either you lie or you didn't correctly tell the facts.

[@Krakenshaul]

I'd like my 5k back but haven't got a chance. They have locked it in through changes to the terms although I never agreed to those in the first place.

[@SuburbanFox]

Seems to me they already made that choice long ago.

[@iroquoisplissken3583]

When the guns come out you have split seconds to react, and that’s if you’re lucky enough to see it coming. For sure it’s better to avoid that situation altogether.

[@saltyclampirate7397]

How many truck drivers, miners, astronauts, race car drivers or explorers are partaking in pvp in the real world. Just saying. Piracy should come with account permanent repercussions like life in prison or execution if caught. Make piracy truly piracy.

[@Tbonethe1nfinite]

That's the stupidest thing I've ever read... will you make permadeath for PvE players as well? No of course not... jesus you're a dumb carebear.

[@rorymcgregor625]

I think you missed the part where this is a game.

[@saltyclampirate7397]

@rorymcgregor625 lol, what?! No way?! I thought it was real life. Now I gotta blow my fucking brains out. Why have you brought this revelation to me? You sick monster.

[@piranhax6466]

Managed to play, got killed trying to salvage a ship near a bunker i finished and had a timer for.. sent to prison.. cant leave prison game over..

[@bmorefranklucas]

When you go to prison get in elevator while it’s going up hug back left corner it will glitch you to the space station. Hope this helps

[@piranhax6466]

@@bmorefranklucas still nada

[@Xeno-UK]

All the people who think that there shouldn't be pvp in this game should go play elite dangerous, they have single player mode 😂

[@Sighman]

The ED forums are full of gankers whinging that the game should be open-only because there aren't enough helpless cargo haulers/explorers/new players for them to shoot. And all those cargo haulers/explorers/new players are enjoying themselves just fine.

[@Xeno-UK]

@Sighman My point exactly, want a game where you can choose to not experience other players and pvp? Want to haul and pve without being disturbed? Go play elite. Star citizen is always going to have pvp, until high sec systems come into play and rep mechanics improve in sc, you either learn to avoid, learn to evade, learn to fight or die believing you shouldn't have any risk of encountering pvp in an open world sim, that at this point in development only has low sec and lawless systems.

[@MySparkyVibes]

This game is garbage! I was looking forward to this, but now I won't be trying anything from RSI anymore.

[@greggouwens9366]

Integrating an Elite Dangerous exploration model is an option. They procedurally generated all those planetary systems with colonized system types here and there. Can't be that hard to infill the planned universe with uncolonized planetary systems. The jump points would be shortcuts.

[@StevenTheGeek]

I think they will tweak that. I do believe many systems will come using the tools that pyro, a technical test, has produced. I hope the payout of certain systems will force PvP there. And explorers should be dealing with pve pirates and events and rarely meeting a human.

[@UNBE4R4BLE]

We'll see how Quantum boosting pans out

[@warren3174]

It will work like most things, boost away leaving you glitched in a seated position floating in space

[@agonyaunt6325]

Chris will never go for full procgen systems. Think about the fidelity! All those green and blue pixels in the wrong place. Under enough pressure, and maybe finally realizing they can never deliver on those 110 pledged for systems without massive use of procgen, maybe he will bend to do limited procgen for most planets and go with a combination of procgen and handcrafted for the more lore heavy planets. It will of course still take them decades, this is why its important people keep buying spaceships.

[@jimrussell4062]

Interesting idea. "Unpopulated" systems would take very little to randomly generated with no stations, settlements/etc... because that's where you would DO exploring, not inhabited space (which is what we have.) Open world space exploration is very rare. PVP is in a TON of games already. PVP doesn't make the game unique, it just makes it like dozens of others. But then maybe CIG thinks it's a "safer" way to go since everyone else is doing it? Well trying to anyway. I think it'd be fine if there were actually 95% NPCs in the game, huge systems to explore (as space IS huge) and all those pre-gen systems to get "lost" in to find things. Then the PVP "zones" will make sense because it'll get hard for PVP people to find other players to shoot unless other players go there to get shot at.

[@Schinken_]

just copy it because its dumm how many people have no idea when CIG statet all that already years ago. CIG also statet what Exploring in STAR CITIZEN will be. Exploring means that you can scan for realy good mining spots, wracks, abandoned stations, resources on planet grounds etc and sell the information ore use them for you self. You will also be able to find temporary wormholes ore even permanent ones that lead to new systems ore to ones that are known already but open a new rout to them. What you call "True Exploration" is just one version of you you can do Exploration. CIG never planed on Exploration like no man Sky with unlimited star systems. The new Solar systems will be something like a lottery win. So it will happen maybe be a handful of times far in the future.

[@checkyoursixgaming]

4.0 is unplayable.

[@Schinken_]

sometimes yes will take 2-3 weeks but thats why whe still have 3.24 and whe have the arena commander.

[@Loonan2.0]

They need to make a choice of fixing 1,500, and I repeat 1,500 bricked accounts! 60030 gang rise up! Your point about never coming across anyone else is.... not valid. You know a game Elite Dangerous? The game with not 100's not 1000s but 400 billion star systems. I got pirated... a LOT. When I played it. Because the systems were done in a great way. There is a bubble (cluster of systems where humanity lives) and there are other billion unpopulated systems. So. Trading is viable only in the bubble. Because there are no stations outside of it. So when you are exploring unpopulated systems... Yeah, chances of you getting pirated are slim. There are literally 400 billions systems, more than there are peoples on the planed earth, But when you are trading, mining doing quests, you are doing it in the bubble, which is densely populated Another game... EVE online. 7,800 star systems. There are still major trade points, routes and hence a lot of PVP.

[@wemustbecomemachines2012]

there will be no solo exploring, or solo play, as you will be scanned down and attacked if you have no protection....just like eve

[@OpenwareRobotix]

I disagree. Adopting a Star Trek-style model focused on exploration with occasional conflict can balance exploration and PVP playstyles. For ships, they should follow the automotive industry's approach: generate revenue by updating existing ships and occasionally introducing new models to fill niches. Players could trade up to newer models, allowing more resources to enhance game quality and stability instead of building ships from scratch.

[@Krakenshaul]

I think others' comments cover most of the issues. It's all about the money it's not what I backed 13 years ago. Yes the scope has changed good and bad there but the " Alpha" excuse doesn't work for me. The marketing stinks, ethics and morality have gone and I question if Chris Roberts ever had any other intention. CIG GIVE ME MY 5K BACK! We don't have a say CIG are not interested, comments are moderated on spectrum they don't care.

[@gamingduology4757]

Exploration always seemed unrealistic in this type of game . I have been playing since the end of 2015 . No mans sky is one of the most boring games I have ever played and is not worth 60$ . My guess all exploration will be is setting markers for recourses and mining basses .

[@Schinken_]

CIG also statet what Exploring in STAR CITIZEN will be. Exploring means that you can scan for realy good mining spots, wracks, abandoned stations, resources on planet grounds etc and sell the information ore use them for you self. You will also be able to find temporary wormholes ore even permanent ones that lead to new systems ore to ones that are known already but open a new rout to them. What you call "True Exploration" is just one version of you you can do Exploration. CIG never planed on Exploration like no man Sky with unlimited star systems.

[@DirtyPlumbus]

My experience of Star Citizen so far. Download the app, set up the required account, and come back a couple of days later to buy the game...can't sign in. 😂🙄

[@Schinken_]

Yea right know its the cristmas patch download the 3.24 it runs better then 4.0 when it comes to bugs ore play arena commander. It will take probably 2-3 weeks until they deal with most bigger bugs. Also its not a Game its a Test Alpha so expect a bug hell. Many of the newer backers forget that its still a alpha and that means they dont fix all the bugs because thats wasted resources because bug fixes is normaly a thing that you do around 2 years before release and when you have everythink in the game for the most part.

[@anonamos6086]

Dude I beg you, please upgrade your mic.

[@ajkulac9895]

FR $30 mic would be an improvement

[@hawkofthereborn43]

No. I would prefer this over super clean and professional style video/audio quality. As the former feels more genuine, authentic and real than the latter. Where it's filled with that slight hint of a shill or click bait feeling

[@imactuallyHimtho]

Holy shit. As critical of I am of the game, this is some of the most whiney bullshit I’ve ever heard. We didn’t get what we were promised with Pyro because it doesn’t have a city? We got SO MUCH MORE than expected in Pyro, it was supposed to be mostly barren. We now have a lot more room for exploration in Pyro. This is very clearly a stupid take just to generate clicks. He didn’t even formulate a coherent argument

[@Loonan2.0]

Agree. Also, the take about “PVP will die when there will be 100 systems” is just... HUH... EVE got a lot less players than SC. Eve got 25,000 online, while SC is 100.000. Yea, currently only 500 per instance but... CIG want to make it MMO. Which means, huge instances, like Eve, wow, etc And Eve got 7,800 star systems, but despite that PVP is thriving there.

[@catearth8864]

Keep sweeping 🧹

[@Fluffle69Puff]

lol so you have no idea what they added and your Ginna complain

[@ROrneli]

this game is not meant to be a pvp game, it just feels that way right now because there is so little to explore,. as they ad more systems you will see other players less and less unless there is a magnet event and it brings people on the same area which is what i think CIG is planning to do,.

[@jimrussell4062]

They did try to sell that with the "90-95% of people will be NPCs; you won't see other players unless you choose to join them" (which is 95% PVE) but then they rolled that back fast when the "forced PVP" crowd cried... and they saw how much server space all those NPCs will take up.

[@Schinken_]

@@jimrussell4062 The Statement with 90-95% was about NPC to player ratio and thats pretty much already reality at least when you are on points of interest. Later on they also want NPCS to be part of the economy so there will be permanent ship trafic with npcs ships and there will be npcs pirats that attack miners, Salvage and Traders etc. Its true far back before they changed the scope of Star Citizen there where the idea that you can switch on and of pvp and other ideas but thats pretty much before 2016 as far as i remember.

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[@kesselrunner]

You know what would make this game objectively better? An account level pvp opt-in. If you don't opt in, no other players can shoot you. It shouldn't be an instant toggle because of griefing. It should be that you either have a pvp account or a pve account. Some people just want to fly and not be bothered with anyone else's nonsense.

[@warren3174]

You want a mechanic like GTA online has where you ghost?

[@kesselrunner]

@@warren3174 Haven't played GTA online, so not sure. I'd figure you'd be able to interact with other players, do co-op pve stuff, but with "friendly fire" turned off, like it is with most mmo's. Like raids or dungeons in WoW.

[@Xeno-UK]

Lmfao, pvp opt out is CRAZY 😂

[@kesselrunner]

@@Xeno-UK Wouldn't be the only crazy thing about SC. Paying hundreds of dollars for pixels on a screen, now that's crazy!

[@Xeno-UK]

@@kesselrunner Then don't do it? Same for if you don't like the pvp element of the game, don't play it!

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[@Kallivak]

ugh... why did i even click on this. im sorry for my actions i will do better

[@Tbonethe1nfinite]

People are so dumb. Star Citizen is a persistent universe space simulator. If you want a SINGLE PLAYER game, go play a single player game. This game is meant to have PvP and if you take multiplayer out or make it opt-in you're just going to ruin the game and no one will play it. There are plenty of other single player space simulators with empty universes out there already. People want a real persistent universe with other actual players in it that they can interact with for better or worse. That's the entire POINT of games like Star Citizen.

[@SpenzOT]

I guarantee that if they removed non-consensual pvp or severely ramped up the consequences of murder, the game would do just fine. On the other hand, if you catered solely to open-world pvp, it would die within a year of full release. Countless examples buried in the graveyard of dead games show that the vast majority of any playerbase does not want to be content for some murder-hobo, least of all one who can do it over and over with practically no cost to them. Open world pvp in an MMO doesn't work, it has almost never worked, and has died as a gameplay loop long ago. As the video states, a choice has to be made. Consequence-free open world pvp is completely incompatible with nearly every single gameplay loop in Star Citizen, full stop. You either embrace pvp and throw everything else out, or you start cracking down and focusing on the rest of the game.

[@BrokenImmersions]

They don't need to make a choice, its the PVE players that need to choose. Learn to fight or deal with dying when combat finds you.

[@cheesesniper473]

Thats typically the attitude of most hardcore full loot pvp players. Have you noticed most of those games die super fast?

[@warren3174]

They will make a choice to side with PVE inevitably. They always do. The whole learn to fight or deal with dying does no good but trigger them into crying even louder. They originally had it without armistice at the habs in Pyro but idiots kept camping the elevators so that was taken out. The babies will cry hard enough to get armistice in some areas just to shut them up and CIG will say because no one is doing the missions and saying they will stay away. It's always like this. In the end it's the PVE that pays all the bills and PVP is a very fractional minority. Oddly enough how CIG strikes the balance is what matters. Just PVE without the fear of dying would be lame. Just getting camped and KOS all day is equally lame. This is all on CIG. I predict the die hard PVP'rs are next for crying and getting mad tho. LOL

[@KD-_-]

​@@cheesesniper473cope

[@bentwing7397]

@@cheesesniper473 well lets face the IQ of those console loot fan bois

[@nuanil]

Just imagine a game that only has 7% of the current population..... Please regale us with the massive list of full loot PvP games that survived more than a couple years that weren't heavily alt/multiple account friendly like EVE Online?

[@Schinken_]

Sorry but you are so rong sounds like that you have no idea because CIG already maped out what the game will be and they go that way from the start. 0. The Alpha didnt make progress? Sorry but having server meshing in the game is the biggest milestone since whe got stanton. Whe got 600 player cap and whe got Pyro and yea the stations are copy past but thats the same in Stanton and will be the same in most other solar system. They will work on them and chainge them some what but they are build the same because thats the lore. Its like hosuing where they build the same house again and again because its cheap thats the lore. 1. "All they do is sell you ships and dont develop the game" Rong CIG primary develops "SQUADRON 42" after that comes the Engine and then Star Citizen. Marketing and Ship Sales are a think but CIG isnt just money hungry as you claim and there is simpel prof for that. You can buy most ships ingame ore rent them. So CIG has a system in the game that makes buying ships unnecessary. Would they realy just want the money then whe would not be able to buy ships ingame and especially not to rent them for much cheaper. 2. CIG also statet fore a realy long time now how the PVP and PVP will work. There will be [High Sec], [Mid Sec] and [Low Sec]. You will be able to do pvp in all of them there will be no safe zones so i can take a gun and shoot you in the middle of say area 18. But there will be consequences like Crime State, Deap of the Space man [Perma Death mechanic], Prison, Negativ and Positiv Rap System. 3. Why did they take out the Componants first the componants that they took out are the ones that whe shouldn't get anyway ore at least you shouldn't be able to just by them. Because CIG statet years ago that the Higher Componants and some ships will need a high enough Rap with certain factions. You also juge the alpha as it would be a Game but its a test Alpha not Early Access. So they took out the componants so that people would test out the contested zones because they needet the data. Its the same as they did in the past with other stuff like make the profit of mining realy high so people would test it and so on. 4. CIG also statet what Exploring in STAR CITIZEN will be. Exploring means that you can scan for realy good mining spots, wracks, abandoned stations, resources on planet grounds etc and sell the information ore use them for you self. You will also be able to find temporary wormholes ore even permanent ones that lead to new systems ore to ones that are known already but open a new rout to them. What you call "True Exploration" is just one version of you you can do Exploration. CIG never planed on Exploration like no man Sky with unlimited star systems. All that i can take from the video is that you dont know what Star Citizen is and thats understandable when you knew to the game because there are Hundreds of video hourse out there that tell you what star citizen is and you would need to watch them to know that. So its ok that newer backers dont now that but before you make a video like that you realy should do some research.

[@ninjawizard7021]

You have training in BS

[@criticalthinkingtryit]

thanks for the daily SC KOOL-AID

[@metallmad77]

no man's sky ? are serious, comparing a space Fortnite to Star Citizen ?, I've heard you mentioning it several time so I went to check it up, not worthy the comparison man!

[@ninjawizard7021]

O never heard so many crap on a single video 😂

[@KD-_-]

How are contested zones not content? I'm done. Bob tears must flow.

[@WarPigMantis]

Contested Zones are not game content, they are walls. walls built to force player interaction. Items that were available prior are now locked behind those walls.

[@KD-_-]

@WarPigMantis ok bob

[@WarPigMantis]

@@KD-_- Okay Zoomer

[@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n]

u dont even have a cig link lol. basically "im mad"

[@WarPigMantis]

@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n if you were replying to me my yt is not my username in sc

[@Dvantways]

You are negative Nancy aren't you?