Star Citizen Live Q&A: Hangars and Cargo

Following the To and Fro episode of Inside Star Citizen, "Cargo Chad" joins us today to answer your questions and provide updates on the current state of Cargo, Freight Elevators, Personal Hangars, and more!
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[@tyller77189]

Questions/Time Stamps 12:40 How do we prevent unwanted people from getting into our personal hangar? 15:50 What about group members or party members? 18:43 What happens if you buy a larger ship bigger than the hangar that has been assigned? 23:55 Will other players be able to access their stuff in your hangar? 25:47 How many home hangars can a player have and can they change the location after they choose them? 27:57 Are there plans to allow personal hangars that are not at the major landing zones? 33:13 How are you going to make finding a party members hangar not a scrolling contest in the elevator if you're in a large party? 36:47 Is there an occupancy limit inside the personal persistent hangars? 38:10 If a player is inside their ship, inside their personal hangar and they log out from the ship bed, where do they wake up? 40:12 Can we equip weapons in our personal hangars despite the armistice zones? 42:40 What does all this mean for our OG hangar flare items? Can we use them to decorate our personal hangars? 48:15 How does manual or autoloading work at outposts, scrapyards and other non-hangar specific locations? 58:19 Is the mass of cargo still planned to affect ship performance? 1:00:47 Eventually we will be able to attach almost anything to a cargo grid, how is progress on that going? 1:03:10 Will you be able to attach a space suit to the cargo grid? 1:05:14 Is there any future at all whatsoever for cargo decks beyond just buying tractor beams and empty containers? 1:06:43 What happens if we bring contraband or stolen goods back to our personal hangar? 1:10:09 Current storage crates are indiscernible from one another in name and appearance, will it be possible to differentiate storage containers via changes to either the label, name, colour or some other means? 1:11:44 How much total SCU can the freight elevator hold at any one time and are all freight elevator capacities the same at all locations? 1:13:09 Will we be able to call up multiple vehicles simultaneously on a single vehicle lift? 1:15:50 Is there any other location besides the personal hangars where the ship lifts are being used to deliver vehicles to you? 1:16:22 Hypothetically, if I go out to the plains of Lorville or Microtech and I coerce a kind and gentle Kopion onto my ship, and I bring that ship back to my personal hangar and then I coerce the kind and gentle Kopion out of my ship and into my personal hangar, and then I leave. Does that Kopion now persist in my personal hangar for all time?

[@rolinthor]

Please do find/replace: “hanger”::”hangar”

[@tyller77189]

@@rolinthor It must of bugged you that I misspelt it 17 times XD It's fixed now. 👍

[@rolinthor]

@@tyller77189 OCD man thanks you.

[@karmabad6287]

Thanks for the time stamps. MVP!

[@crispy9175]

​@@rolinthorhe was right the first time.. This was about personalized clothing hangers. Not aircraft hangars. 😅

[@alphacentauri3069]

This is what we need more of. Clear communication. I don’t care if it’s good or bad news. Clarity is what we care about.

[@MidnightWolfSDJ]

They have been doing this for years now? lol!

[@borkug1566]

I'm happy Jared is OK.

[@ReptexPro]

Me too❤

[@splurg123]

Did something happen? I haven't been following development closely lately.

[@spacep0d]

@@splurg123 He fell and knocked himself out, gave himself a concussion.

[@splurg123]

@@spacep0d thanks for letting me know. I am glad space dad is okay.

[@blakewilliamson6761]

Can certainly appreciate the long form conversation with minimal edits. While it's disappointing, it sounds like these guys made the right call. Respect for them being up front about it.

[@CitizenScott]

For sure. Nice to hear Chad explain that they couldn't get it in because they weren't able to get it in.

[@rolinthor]

CIG has a tendency to be “up front” about things only very late in the game.

[@tropicthndr]

Especially since Chris screwed over everyone by firing the Devs working on this project because they wouldn’t relocate to UK.

[@Kenny.G60]

This was a live episode, there should be no edits in this stuff

[@Exsulator2]

@@rolinthor "Up front" meaning, in reality, "down behind"

[@Daggre]

So glad to hear you recovered from your fall Jared! My first thought when the show was cancelled due to unforseen circumstances was "Oh no! I hope Jared is ok!"

[@eavdmeer]

Big respect to cargo-Chad for not pushing to live with a half - baked version of the hangars. That having to scroll through dozens of personal hangars in a large party is easy to solve, by the way. Just have a permanent button for your own hangar that doesn't scroll like the lobby in the habs

[@crispy9175]

🧠

[@ThAt0n36Uy]

Definitely can see how disappointed Chad is about missing release, I really feel for the guy. We're all patiently looking forward to the actual release of the new cargo work, glad they took this approach. Hope they give him a nice vacation to rest and recharge once it's finished. Definitely deserves it!

[@CrazyDanishViking]

A Way to fix the griefer in the hangar is, that the owner of the hangar, has the ability to use weapons inside the hangar

[@AshU-ug2fy]

This makes sense actually, target range inside hangar makes sense.

[@stevecc2942]

Thank you for the detailed q&a, can't wait for this first version... and also can't wait for cargo mass to affect ship mass (on or off grid, I guess!)

[@williamlewis1805]

Cargo Chad has a great head on his shoulders, I’m confident this will turn out okay

[@BGIANAKy]

Ya but that mile on the target analogy was straight braindead lol

[@mcjoyful8102]

@@BGIANAKyno it wasn’t. It was a very apt description.

[@BGIANAKy]

@@mcjoyful8102 no.

[@brad433]

@@BGIANAKyAs a developer myself, the description is exactly right. We regularly have to make schedules months out, about features we don’t yet know all of the detailed requirements for, nor know exactly how to do it yet, or even exactly what we want. You get started and iterate and figure things out along the way pursuing the vision for the feature. As you get closer and learn more, and iterate on it, the schedule gets more accurate, but being off a few weeks is not uncommon and it’s very challenging to hit the mark exactly. It really is a mile long dart throw. It’s not easy.

[@BGIANAKy]

@@brad433 still not a good analogy. I work in software development myself as well. The analogy is not good. I am sorry.

[@konigwolff]

Okay. My off topic chat point I'd like to bring up is, DO NOT REMOVE BED LOGGING!! You do that, and the interior of a ship is so much more useless. What's the point of "living" in your ships, if you can't live in your ship. I already really miss being able to have friends log off in my Connie. My buddies and I would live on that thing. They would log off in my beds to take care of irl stuff. Then log back in to come help. It was almost like they were just resting while I was getting to the mission. Now they have to stay afk. Soon, you might take all of it out?? Why? How can you say it's not part of the games future. It's a life/space sim. It is absolutely part of the game. Don't start cutting things because you want to rush it. You will start losing so many customers if you do stuff like this. Maybe not over beds. But plenty of other things.

[@Fellicthepwnage]

They’re not taking away the ability to log out and log back into space, they’re just reworking it so it’s not tied to beds. That’s all they meant by bed logging is going away.

[@Rockyroad321]

@@Fellicthepwnageif that’s the case then I’m 100% fine with that. I’d LoVE to log out in the middle of a desert and spawn back exactly where I left off.

[@ZaphodTube]

down the road you can always log off and login again at the same place - but getting a good night sleep in your bed will give you bonuses. Sounds like a good plan.

[@Rockyroad321]

@@ZaphodTube logging back in exactly where I left off would be amazing. I always hate getting kicked for inactivity just to be spawned back at the furthest station from where I need to be.

[@Luffy-rf1ek]

​@@Rockyroad321 this is really dumb unless your body stays there like ark, don't want people spawning out of no where

[@Godwinsname]

"Cargo decks still serve a purpose.." - "No. They do not." This is what I LOVE about CIG. Honesty. Refreshing honesty and candor. Self-awareness and lack of marketing fluff/speech/bs in these shows. Thank you Jared, and thank you CIG for staying true to yourself.

[@teahousereloaded]

This was amazing. Well thought out, well investigated, well articulated.

[@qdpqbp]

loving the recent roadmap roundup reveals

[@donk8961]

Glad for the restraint. When a system touches on things as basic as calling a ship, the tolerance for failure is more slim.

[@-OldMan-Fox-]

Every so often I watch an entire vid for Star Citizen live, this was one of them. Thanks for the info update and thanks to Chad and Jared to bring it all together for us. Great info session on what is to come you've got my attention. Cheers

[@51ghardy]

Thanks for the transparency, Jared. I appreciate you guys, and I love seeing this game develop.

[@wakirk]

As for security, there used to be atmospheric shields. Can't those shields be increased in power and keyed to a person or ship to selectively allow/deny trespassers, and the owner be able to enable/disable these security shields?

[@catfood4142]

my ONLY question being, if cargo loading are no longer automatic, you'd have to load by hand...how do you deal with Catac Railen .... it has 300, exteneral ...cargo boxes...and they don't look like huge boxes..... how do you deal with that awesome, fancy looking...very interesting allien cargo ship ...

[@crazys8s]

I think one of the best ways to accomplish that, is letting us have fps weapons tied to our ships. Not unlike that one bug that got fixed a while ago. Where you could store weapon on your ship, and repairing replenished the weapon

[@itviking1651]

If your only ship is too large for a hangar and requires a docking port, I wonder if they still just give you a max sized hangar.

[@JohnVanderbeck]

RE Hauling mission cargo, you absolutely should be able to take it somewhere other than the intended destination, not to sell it but to facilitate trans-shipping and cargo consolidation. This is how cargo works in the real world. Smaller ships should be able to grab smaller cargo runs from various smaller locations, and consolidate them all at a larger station where say a Hull-C will take it all to somewhere else for final delivery.

[@korniestpatch]

My big question is, if I bought a hanger upgrade like the Aeroview hanger, will I have access to this now as my personal hanger or is it going to start off as standard for everyone?

[@rikkvalkorion]

Did they mention if you can store raw and refined ores in your hangers and storage?

[@MersageSW]

1:05:00 "No, they do not" is so funny.

[@bradtravis2440]

Just put a force shield across the elevator door that only party members can walk through

[@AshU-ug2fy]

Good idea. HOWEVER..... TIME THIEF!?!?!?

[@malachiashley528]

having a "lost and found" that you can pay to retrieve items is PERFECT fix

[@Atljeepboy]

There should be a "Permissions" menu for personal hangers so you can specify what party members can and can not do.

[@EeroafHeurlin]

Being able to choose Grim Hex as starting location would be most excellent. Just add to the confirmation dialog that GH is not for newbies.

[@Tomipolus]

Thank you for welcoming me back to Werback, it is nice to be back home again.

[@RyoninShonin]

Thank you very much for the explanation. Great episode!

[@BionicFreakOfficial]

Y'all talked about occupancy limits while inside a SINGLE hangar, but what about the number of hangars per station/city? This has been an issue in previous updates, but with these gigantic changes, it seems like there will have to be a massive rework of each system to allow any number of people (not just 20) to access and use their hangars at ALL TIMES.

[@crispy9175]

I'm glad you all held off till it's better. The game is worth waiting for.

[@everettumphrey]

I also appreciate the concerns you have before dropping a patch that might have issues, and I don't mind waiting until you get it stable and secure. I'm not disappointed, because I'm a backer. I hope you are ok, as I don't like getting knocked out either, except trying to walk after waking up. lol, that is funny. Maybe add a crime stat to multiple attempts to break into player's hangers.

[@wishmast3r_363]

Arena Man is "Duncan Fisher".

[@spacep0d]

It would be fun to have an area for target practice in one's hangar. This could be an asset purchased by the player, and they should be able to place it where they want. Length can be a reasonable range but players can bring targets closer to reduce difficulty. Scopes would be used for distant targets. Allow one person or one person per lane (add lanes in modular fashion). Door opens like regular door. Auto targets reset themselves with 'hit' effects and appropriate sound FX. Player should have choice of various target styles.

[@Captain_Max]

birds flying around the inside of my hanger... I think I like this idea

[@Deibas526]

Suggestion: make decay timer on boxes/items that are not on the grid inside ship(when dropped outside cooldawn disappear) and when you reach grid limit grid shuts dawn and you cant grid anything anymore then no one can be able to load 1000SCU in 400SCU cargo ship or something.

[@TiredEyeBags]

My biggest worry is that doing the smaller trades to the landing areas that dont gave automatic loading that people will camp those and start using their tractor beams to steal your cargo while you are trying to load it onto the elevator and you cant do anything about it

[@EhdrianEh]

THIS is what I have been waiting for. I can't wait to customize my space :) Pun not intended

[@DavidKirwanirl]

The light fingered cup!

[@axelmousti5812]

It's not a significant delay, and it allow to to avoid another 3.18. There is nothing to justify or be ashamed the cargo package is a big chunk of the game, well done.

[@modusponen1447]

11:59 Must have walked out of a Shubin Mining Facility on a slightly windy day.

[@spacep0d]

Jared, glad you're okay man! Recover well, sir. Concussions are no joke. Maybe I missed it, but is your personal hangar sized for your largest flyable ship or largest ship you own even if it's not flyable? Guessing it's largest flyable, but I'm looking for confirmation.

[@MoDeLi370]

It would be cool if the towimg vehicle could be used as a psudo cargo hauler for pirate looters and with a secong setting there would be a cone of effect to grab and carry boxes if they break or fall off a ship aswell as switching to the single beam to pull a ship

[@sky_raider_2354]

So what if i have a kraken privateer would my hangar size be tailored to that? Or would it go off of my reclaimer?

[@HK94]

👍

[@Dr.Kryptanical]

I do have a question what about ships like a carrack that's supposed to come with it's own seperate industrial hangar if you buy the expo pack since I plan to buy it on sept 2nd am I gonna have a seperate personal hangar for that?

[@Brunnen_Gee]

30:15 and onward. It's like I've been telling people for years, SC is going to be like playing DayZ or any of the other Arma mods along the same theme (Epoch, Exile, and such). This is going to be the same type of gameplay, just on a much larger, grander, and more detailed scale.

[@grast5150]

Allowing more than one personal location/hanger is a great money sink and pretty much part of every MMO. An even better idea for money sink is to allow transfer of goods from one location to another. This would ensure that players do not feel completely anchored to one location and has a side benefit of forcing players to spend money which is core to any MMO.

[@ReptexPro]

I think cargo Chad just makes everything the right way. Thanks for that❤

[@cos4779]

You guys are working extremely hard, much appreciated.

[@SpaceDad42]

Really? Then they must be terrible at their jobs.

[@cos4779]

@@SpaceDad42 you must be brain dead.

[@erankel3949]

20:00 Can't wai't for little mission to "clean" public hangar can be fun and stress free time if house flipper taught us anything

[@Drivertilldeath]

For Hanger Security how about having shields allways up (hanger doors still open but shields are allways up) and those shields only let it ships/players who are on the Accepted list. All others are treated as Hostile and cant get past the shields. I think this is a simple fix and helps to block pvpers/griefers.

[@robwoodring9437]

Yeah, simple sci-fi solution for area denial. Good idea.

[@DannoHung]

I generally like this approach, but I would like to see it "physicalized" to allow for hacking/intel gameplay. Shield frequency code or something like that which has to be punched in. Maybe three modes: static frequency which is quick to share, but vulnerable to scanning, frequency hopping pattern that has to be distributed as a security key which can only be hacked/stolen, and a fully randomized hopping pattern for when you're not trying to collaborate. Could be useful for landing inside other ships too.

[@el3ctr1csix22]

You triggered the hangar hanger meme in me. They should have thought about griefers first...probably they have no time playing their game themselves. Happens in development.

[@el3ctr1csix22]

​​@@DannoHungplease don't.... Personal hangars should just be that, personal. Where we have our time for ourselves. Back in the days there was no intention in this kind of player interaction 'PvP'. Your player stuff at something like an homestead should be safe.

[@aussiescotsman4145]

How about just not grief8ng a personal hangar?​@@DannoHung

[@Lerium]

I hope OG hangar flair is moved up in priority.

[@Tainted-Soul]

Thank you Chad for being open and upfront it is a shame that its not going into 3.23 but I am looking forward to it

[@shaddouida3447]

Star Citizen Squadron 42 Update

[@jameshollister3718]

Shout out for LOVE'S

[@thomascolucci4815]

Jarred we may not agree with every thing but im glad your ok, Gladestone

[@Roboticus_Prime_RC]

Glad you're ok, Jared!

[@AbbreviatedReviews]

I do hope that they make it possible to log in and out from personal hangars sometime soon. I know it would kind of defeat the whole "train ride through the city" gameplay we've endured for so long, but I'd love to have a better reason to venture through these places than the repetition of running back to the hangar...

[@artlife9563]

So...if you join a big party of 30 people in order to do a group mission. Lets say its Xeno threat or NT lockdown. All 30 of those people have access to your hanger. You and 20 of those party members are at the mission the other 10 could just take everything in your hanger. And any other unsuspecting person who wants to group up. This will do wonders for teamplay and random groups popping up.

[@williamlewis1805]

That’s what I thought too and it’s sorta true. They can steal anything you have left around, they won’t be able to access your inventory there. Slightly better, but yeah huge potential for theft

[@williamlewis1805]

Can you repack commodities into larger boxes?

[@ThePolysyllabist]

This is why they AREN'T allowing party members to access your personal inventory at this time. That will be coming later when they have the functionality to differentiate between someone more or less trusted (25-30min mark)

[@artlife9563]

@@ThePolysyllabist That is not the issue. It's a persistent hanger. Anything you leave laying around like your hanger flair, suit lockers, sub gear its up for grabs. You could always just not leave it out, but then what is the point of a persistent hanger. Just have a regular hanger.

[@starbreaker_zed]

​@@artlife9563 A: You realize in the plan there is the ability to break into hangars, ships, land claim structures, etc. Your stuff will never be 100% safe. There will be different levels of security, and Stanton locations will be safer than outlaw spaces like Pyro. But yeah, they can and will take your stuff. Period. B: Items taken will be marked stolen. The thieves can get a crimestat, and law enforcement will be after them. Its not a free for all. C: Their hangers are open too. So if you find out someone is doing this, you can take stuff back from theirs.

[@bestcyber1]

Felt like he was talking about the BMM ( Locked in a vault )

[@TianarTruegard]

I would very much like to have a hangar at say Port Tressler, instead of on a planet. Much faster to get into what I want to do during a session than having to ride a train, fly up into space, QT to my destination, then finally start a mission. Oh, and then do it all again when I get a 30k error or die.` Not really related to hangars, but would be wonderful if we could have space elevators to get from major planets up into certain space stations. I would think they wouldn't be much harder to implement than the tram systems we have in game now.

[@kyalurlich525]

Thanks for sharing this with us!

[@dragonstu1]

I would rather wait for hangers and cargo elevators when they are working as they should, cudos to the devs for not giving us them in a broken state.

[@rhwlol]

ok

[@spacep0d]

*hangars, *kudos

[@mattb8754]

Kudos to them for not giving us something more broken than usual, condemnation to them for over promising as usual.

[@TedManAte]

Use the terminal displays from the overdrive initiative bunker missions on the side of the cargo containers for naming

[@GUNNER67akaKelt]

Just do an instant respawn on somebody who rushes in to your hangar uninvited. Giving them a few seconds to steal something and then giving them an instant escape (with ill-gotten items intact!!!) seems kind of assinine.

[@AlphaCitizen]

Can we get a notification when someone enters or leaves our Personal Hangar, so we'll know if some random we invited to party to help with Siege or XT is trying to steal our hoard of loot?

[@MisadventuresofDemonaGolgari]

Kinda makes you wonder... what's happen if you try to ride the freight elevator???

[@KillerTyphoons]

When are the Revel and York hangars be implemented?

[@theonlypanapanda]

Just because we're in a party with someone, doesnt mean we trust them enough to have access to our stuff

[@TheDavemedia-ch1ll]

the year 2036 alpha 3.23.62 realeased, we´re almost ready for cargo ;)

[@firestarter2077]

The backlog of ships hasn't been out for decades, CIG

[@everettumphrey]

Could we have player-paid NPC security or Player Hanger Updates as in Pop Up Turrents, as later on when we get player bases, will our hangers be able to scale up to max size in the early start of construction, so we don't have to tear down and rebuild as our ship size grows? Like an Org other players have different-sized ships. I guess the player with the largest ship should be first in to set hanger size but outside landing pads should be no problem (set default sizes)

[@FreshFoams]

i agree that party members is way too insecure for hangar commodity sharing. i feel like the org you are in, too, should determine who's hangar you can see in the elevator, and additionally give individuals the options to allow/disallow the sharing of specific commodities you own with the org, or tiers of members within the org. the game squad kind of does this with the vehicles for each team, where the squad leader of whomever interacts with a vehicle has to approve/deny if they may operate it, but once approved, all squad members can operate it freely. i like the idea of something like this: where i can approve/deny someone to pull out my hornet, while permitting any org mem to take construction materials without asking, but disallowing even the request to take my gold or quantanium

[@leevah]

Great episode, and super respect for Chad, it's easy to tell how much he loves the game. Keep it up!

[@wschnabel1987]

Rather it work than have it eat my stuff. Hopefully this means it will be even more awesome when it launches, hopefully alongside the Arrastra.

[@DozolProductions]

Assuming we can get personal Hangars in any place that can spawn ships, i believe it would be super nice that diferent places had diferent costs abd modifiers. For example a hangar in the new cargo hubs would come with more SCU capacity or less cost for moving it. While diferent stations could have bonus to, refining, building, fueling, repairing, ammo cost, or be a stop to leave bounty pods, or have more personal item and weapon storage. Basicaly your starting location buffs your main game loop, but also makes it worth to go other places to get buffs from elsewere.

[@Learning-Account-Yee]

Love the update on all of this with hangars. Excited to see they are taking the time to release it when its more polished.

[@emessar]

♫ It's my Chad in a box. ♫

[@apachon]

Best TV show 2024 !!!

[@Crazy-Chicken-Media]

when will AZ's (out side of star bases) be a thing?

[@Wangchuk-Champa]

Thank you guys

[@josephhighfill4371]

Sounds like a good building block for Org owned hangars. Members can access org resources.

[@Introverted_goblin_]

While i am bummed the features were pushed back, im glad they made the decision to delay. Im already heavily invested in the game. It's never a matter of if i play, only when.

[@Damiv]

So I guess I'll be selling my RAFT then.

[@TONOCLAY]

1:05:06 ordinary sausage is that you?

[@sirbonobo3907]

Since i made peace with the my unpatience and the fact that i shouldnt expect anything until 2030 iam in peace with everything regarding SC tbh. I play the CCU game along the way here and there some mission and looking forward to a polished experience. By then iam 47 years old and will still have alot of time with sc, except that the world turns to ashes in the meantime. Happy Weekend and may peace will be with you all.

[@vincebarry9840]

I wish i have Jared explain to my boss about missing date or needing extra time to acheive what he want (when he know it)

[@hyneklos]

we like your job guys !!! thx

[@RonVB]

So won't be able to load weapons onto the ship's racks in our hangers?

[@Gwydion_Wolf]

"Welcome to: We're Back" ----- sounds about like how my week has been.... glad its friday.

[@Darkneon2002]

Ship of the Dead!

[@FriggenCawfee]

Lmao Jared, you're giving Chad such a hard time!

[@raging_casual]

Respect to the cargo team. If it wasn’t ready, then it was the right call. Shows a lot of integrity, and I’m glad to see CIG has people like Chad in place to make those decisions 👍

[@zacharygilbert6938]

Use Dragonflies to steal from hangers, lol.

[@T3hBr0k3nM0nk3y]

Holy frakk, Jared! Hope you're feelin' better, buddy! 🤞😬 I'm not worried about waiting a few more months for features to hit playtest. The reasons (stability!!!) are sound. Godspeed! And many happy returns, Disco! P.S. We can still go full Reaver ship if we get a boltdriver function on our multitools!

[@Dome665]

Puppies!!!

[@JohnVanderbeck]

Tangent, but it seems odd to call the orbit LEO, given that stands for Low EARTH Orbit. Shouldn't it just be Low Orbit or Low Planetary Orbit?

[@Sparky_007]

I mean. The word "STUFF" could be a substitute word choice.