Star Citizen Ship Showcase 3.24.2 - The Redeemer Feels Better Than Ever!!!!!

[@vdosis2023]

You definitely changed my outlook on the update to the ship. It's basically a heavy fighter with triple the shields. Looks pretty good from that perspective!

[@Hellcat-UK1]

Shields don't matter if your slow as shit tho dude.

[@xandereverflame8180]

"Until we get Guardian" Me: Until we get the Perseus

[@curveofsound]

As a previous owner of a Redeemer (I didn't melt because of the nerf, just didn't need a multicrew of that size as I like the Retaliator way more,) my problem was that, I didn't purchase it as a heavy fighter. I purchased it for what it was advertised as, a gunship with big shield. It's not about whether it's good or not, it's about the bait and switch RSI keeps doing with ships, to make room for new ships to sell. Let's be honest, their business is creating and selling digital goods and by altering the usage of their product, they are engaging in dishonest business practices. That is the problem and that is ruining their own future sales. Stick to what you say you'll do, build trust. Don't screw over past clients. This could become the best heavy fighter in the game and it still wouldn't be what it was advertised as. That is the issue. In order to understand a criticism of a product, you need to first understand the source of the criticism and not the final target of the criticism.

[@tonyjoel7910]

yes

[@JadedMantis13]

This was my experience as well. I expected it to end up with a decent role as a multicrew heavy fighter but this is not what I am looking for from it.

[@arrowfaster2068]

They never sold it as that. The original concept was an extremely nimble gunship with size 4 guns on it's turrets. At one point they upped the guns to size 5 and made the turrets turn slow to make it less effective against fighters and more effective against bigger ships and now they went back on that decision.

[@velocitymg]

Redeemer was originally a dropship…then a gunship, then nerfed, then updated, then nerfed again. I liked it much better as a dropship

[@PsyEm-p1j]

This now moves like it did on release and it feels great. Pilot has access to 2 S4’s and 2 S3’s, 16 missiles, 6 s2 shields and will no doubt be armoured up when armour comes online. Also has a cracking QT drive and range. What they did to the turrets is what they should’ve done with the Corsair. 4 x pilot controlled S4’s would’ve made much better sense for that ship imo. I couldn’t see from the video, what capacity do the weapons have?

[@juliancain6128]

A lot of citizens rage immediately about any balancing with ships, without looking a few layers deeper.

[@Vioblight]

Agreed except for the Corsair (don’t own one never will, but disappointed)

[@Martin-sx4bx]

The Corsair is still a very good ship

[@Vioblight]

@@RED--01 then why did the guns get changed if it’s minor? Wait did it get a shield nerf? Had no idea

[@Vioblight]

@@Martin-sx4bx true.

[@curveofsound]

That actually doesn't make any sense. What people were upset about was the bait and switch. If this was simply a game where digital ships weren't sold for real money, I'd agree with you 100%. At that point it's entirely CIG's decision for balance, usage, role, etc. This is not the case though, so customers have every right to be upset at getting B when they bought A. You can't reasonably tell me this isn't the case.

[@lawnmorr]

setting is "toggle flight operator mode" to toggle the QT on and off when in nav mode. qt defaults on when you switch to nav but at least this can let you flip it off right away when switching

[@UBIQUITAR]

I called it. They are simply and now obviously going through ships and doing things to figure what people need for the roles because if we have roles we have a reason to muti

[@artuno1207]

Roles*

[@UBIQUITAR]

@artuno1207 yes roles.....

[@AJ_Meyers]

They changed it from good gunship to good heavy fighter. I think the people who bought it expecting gunship will be disappointed in that change. But maybe it will find new life as a heavy fighter.

[@cornervillain838]

My biggest problem with it is them nerfing it into a different style of ship than what people bought it for. Similar to what they did with the Ion. (but the Ion is a FAR worse case). I dont see myself ever giving up a vanguard for a redeemer though, though I will be losing my harbinger once the polaris comes out

[@David-82]

I need to buy the Redeemer in game to try it, sounds like something I would enjoy. I have been using the Corsair but it fly's like a tanker.

[@astellios1748]

dont do it!

[@Hellcat-UK1]

This ain't any better it's still too slow..

[@DerpMcDerp101]

Speed is always the best stat to have in a flight combat game.

[@jimrussell4062]

Not always. Usually it's not.

[@DerpMcDerp101]

@@jimrussell4062 Always, usually is.

[@briangueringer3673]

I would have teally liked them to make the turrets automated and filled out it roll as a close support/escort ship.

[@Smootier]

People always placing value of the size of gun over everything else is a timeless issue backers have. It shows how shallowly people think about the game. This is exactly why CIG DOESNT listen to players about ship balance.

[@tonyjoel7910]

The action music around 7:21 sounded like the music from this old game on ps2 called sphinx and the cursed mummy

[@Riley8425]

It’s actually Halo: Reach music. Really fitting for star citizen actually. Pretty sure the specific song you heard is Oni sword base

[@OneNutSupreme]

Its the intro song in the cutscene before Winter Contingency

[@jimrussell4062]

Too many other, better options. The SL Max for example has about the same maneuverability (within 10%), more shields, more hit points, same firepower (more with bigger missiles) That's not to mention the TAC version. That's just the CARGO ship. Then there's the Connie which can do more damage with more shields and similar maneuverability. I get it. It has more roll. So that makes it feel "hotter" but that's.... the only stat it has an advantage in. Is that one thing enough to have a whole ship built around it? It's not even much faster than a Connie. Smaller silhouette...maybe? I get it. If you like the look of it, then that's fine. You like the look of it. That's fair. It's just not "better than ever" because it was better at it's role then it got nerfed. To be honest it should have the S3 shield AND this level of maneuverability AND more armor. Then it would be slightly better than the SL Max cargo ship (although it would still lag a bit behind the Connie which will have more armor and still has Size 5s) PvP it's still a terrible choice currently because it has half the shields of a single Size 3 and even with 3 crew it's still not as good as 3 guys in fighters circling it like piranhas. Now I know that's a choice by CIG to make fighters more "fun" and it's broken, but.... just saying the changes to the Redeemer made it worse not better. It's not supposed to be a "heavy fighter" it's supposed to be a gunship (like the Connie) , just being optimized as such it should be smaller and "harder" than a Connie since it's totally combat-focused.

[@OneNutSupreme]

The SL are not out in live yet, which means changes can still be made. This game is in Alpha, and literally anything can change at this point. Making the Redeemer feeling closer to a heavy fighter for a smaller size gunship is a great move, considering its inspiration comes from helicopter gunships like the Hind-D, not something like an AC-130 gunship. Keep an open mind. It's definitely better this way than it was before.

[@gambit3904]

As for flying the Redeemer solo: With the guardian out, the only reason to fly a Redeemer over it is the extra shields. Redeemer is barely above agility over an andromeda (which has more shields and more weapons, as well as cargo and a snub ! !), so a Guardian takes the cake in agility and overall speed. If we are to consider the Redeemer a heavy fighter, than we should consider the constellations as well... or not, I don't know, heavy fighters are kinda for pve anyways With a team: the extra guns will make you pull energy from shields, so the regen gets lowered but you at least have a fair amount of damage.

[@MeeTeeBops]

Love the halo music!

[@darkfalldoug]

i agree size 5's should be corvette and above sized ships like my Hammerhead and others of that kind

[@xandereverflame8180]

Also, brother, please, don't make me dump more money back into my old favorite big lady!

[@skullhqx]

Dang, you are on to something! I'm going to melt my F8C bc it has been nerfed into nothingness (no speed, no maneuverability, no range advantages anymore and the only paint we are getting for it at the end of IAE is dissappointing). For only 30 bucks more the Redeemer is the best 'heavy fighter' option indeed. Much more armor, much more shields, no vulnerable nacelles or weird gun dissimilarities (Vanguard!), room for quantanium loot or a bike, room for friends with things to do for them, much more quantum range, good optional paints, smaller than a Vanguard... Yeah, I tried it and it is all what you said it was and I agree it replaces all heavy fighters including the Ares. Just don't let CIG know... The ONLY issue I have with it is the MFD's are bugged (no target info and no working hud casts even). I was hoping the MISC Guardian would be an option, but it seems they will hold that one back until 4.0 drops. Maybe the Redeemer is good enough to also replace my Taurus for ERTs... For cargo I have the Raft, Starlancer Max and C2 anyway. Cheers OneNut, good to see you are having fun again with SC! o7

[@skullhqx]

Oh, I have put four NDB-30's on it, replacing the S4 Omnisky's. The damage output is nearly the same (10% less) but the single pip is really worth it!

[@Zouga007]

Press the middle mouse button when in navigation quantum mode to switch to navigation flight mode. You keep the speed but no jump points and spooling.

[@OneNutSupreme]

Awesome! I'll try that, thank you!

[@cavannanicolas]

@@OneNutSupreme yep, just to add to Zouga007, middle mouse will toggle between quantum mode, scan mode and I suppose "no mode"

[@RavingNut]

I'll have to try the cannon and NDB build, right now it's all repeaters on mine. P.S there is also a hud casting bug, doesn't show you or the target ship when you are the pilot.

[@UnpluggedCord]

I agree with the idea on waiting for review. It is absolutely not worth dealing with copying game files to install the extremely painful test universe, just to "early access review" medical terrapin and intrepid. Especially since theyve already been changing them. Definentally good idea to wait until theyre actually in to review once with the actual release setup!

[@Undead115Phoenix]

Quite right, honestly. I wanted the Starlancer Max so bad but then they took the radar critisicm and interpreted that as us wanting a center radar over 2 MFDs. So I've learned to hold off until we at least get them in the PU. Obviously it's still all subject to change even then, but at least we'll have a better idea of what it'll be. Also, I've seen about 10 videos about the starlancer from one channel, each video 10+ minutes long, all because CIG made minor updates to it each day. So silly and pointless to watch those knowing that it's probably going to change again before it releases fully.

[@OneNutSupreme]

And thats why I just do a quick first impressions if I do an early one, not a full showcase

[@UnpluggedCord]

@@Undead115Phoenix this is a prime example. With the intrepid we've already had the gun upsized I think from 1xs2 to 1xs4?? And medical terrapin got a jump seat added, I think? Definentally better to wait, hell by the time it's in the intrepid might even be symmetrical 😆

[@callsigngrimdoll]

@@UnpluggedCord Size 3 to size 4. :)

[@ABrutalAnimal]

Could go into scanning mode while in nav, should have a scanning mode keybind on your stick just for general use anyway

[@Korvorkian1]

DEEMER DEEMER DEEMER

[@UBIQUITAR]

Call it a reclass

[@Whalerust-5]

I agree with you. The redeemer is much better. Turret were so slow before and now with that manoeuvrability you stay more on the target. In consequence, you have more DPS at the end with this.

[@Vioblight]

Thoughts on the Paladin? I love the look might go with it. I play like a brawler not a hit and runner. Was going to go with a Starlancer TAC but no way can I man that or use the dropseat dropship function..

[@OneNutSupreme]

The Paladin is the first ship I bought warbond with LTI. The pilot gets control of those 2 side turrets when running solo or with a smaller crew. That sold me on it

[@Kakeyoro]

Been trying to tell people this shit for weeks now. I 100% said the same thing that it feels like a heavy fighter but with amazing shields and nasty turrets. Along with excellent interior and quantum range. Its really a bargain of a ship. People also dont realize that the gap between size 4 and size 4 guns isnt as big as it used to be. Size 4 guns can really hurt now.

[@CatalystDestiny]

Here's the problem though and the arguments I've seen pop up against it, it's the usual "meta creep" arguments. The redeemer has no other use at all besides combat, no cargo hauling capability and such, so since it got severely hit like it did that was far more nerfs than the buffs it got to agility, people look at damage vs crew count. A redeemer needing min 3 people, 4 if you count the rear turret for its full output is mixing 6 size 4's, and 2 size 3's. Now compare that to simply running 2 dual seats like 2 hurricanes or 2 scorps, now you're against 4 size 4's + 8 size 3's, or vs 16 size 3's, as well as being 2 different ships to flank targets for the same number of people. Gets even worse running the lightning having 3 - 4 of those. I love the redeemer since it was first revealed and all, but this game is so heavy on meta creep numbers and setups, the redeemers neutered shielding AND hull hp hit it too hard, and the lowering of weap sizes the average player just looks at it as getting beaten out by simply running more solo ships or dual seats instead.

[@joshinspace3903]

Love this music

[@tybutton1957]

Cant wait for Attritions to be fixed. I think this thing will be an absolute monster when those are in a working state with 3.24.3. I absolutely agree the Redeemer is essentially my Heavy fighter now. between the flexibility it offers, plus the manueverability being almost identical to that of the F8C, it is back to being one of my favorite ships.

[@andrewboyer7544]

What's wrong with them now?

[@tybutton1957]

Nothing anymore. They were broken in the pre IAE patch

[@thefryinallofus]

Nav mode, middle mouse button to switch sub modes.

[@anthonyrobinson4732]

Middle mouse buttom while in NAV QTM to go to NAV FLT

[@dtroit2]

Middle mouse click while in nav gets you out of the quantum spooling I believe.

[@David-82]

You can scroll on the power distribution screen to click off quantum. Also life support since it's not supported yet for extra powa 😂

[@RedDwarf1]

I haven't had a ship out with the new HUD yet. Where do you see the ammo count? OK, I found it. The font is so small to read.

[@sundog_dd5278]

I just never liked the interior layout of it. But it is cool seeing you be able to use it like that. I love the new Intruder, but it's really just a Cutter for those who like the Millennium Falcon, but they used the design of the MSR and Ares for the design language and shrunk it down. Having said that, it only has one size four cannon, two missiles, and a size one shield, so it definitely isn't for combat, which is the main reason you play. I too am waiting for the Guardian. If I don't like it, maybe I will look at the Redeemer again.

[@ChubbyA55a5in]

I noticed you are firing 4 weapons as the pilot but Erkul says the pilot only has control of 2 size 4’s? Has this been changed recently?

[@OneNutSupreme]

Pilot always has had control of the front nose remote turret if there is no one in that remote turret seat. It's always been that way

[@ChubbyA55a5in]

@@OneNutSupreme ah cool never knew that, cheers 👍

[@Reducer]

More like RAD-eemer. Glad I kept my cool and didn't melt mine. Now imagine if we could get a blade AI for the rear turret...

[@Roomkeyz007]

It didn’t need a nerf to the multi crew game play, the size 5’s was the identity of the ship. At this point it mashes the ship average at best, I don’t like the changes. I don’t like CIG finding ways to Nerf a ship to make another ship that they want to sell stronger. If you’re honest about what’s really going on, that is the only reason to nerf the ship. The ship was never meant to be flowing solo. They keep pushing multi crew gameplay and nerf the ships that are most popular. Ships cost too much to play that game with us.

[@OneNutSupreme]

But the redeemer wasn't nerfed. It was rebalanced to fit its role better. It's supposed to be closer to a helicopter gunship like the Apache or Hind D. It's not like an AC-130 gunship.

[@demonic75]

I wonder why they would make it like a heavy fighter, when aegis already has the vanguards. Do you think they will change the vanguards now?

[@kinhaze]

It looks good... but worse than it was hangar ready in early days It feels good... being a ERT boss, facing HRT But i still dont like how the staircase changed into ladders and the nerf the maneuver-bility wont change how i dislike the fact that it is Nerfed and "Pros and Cons, plus and minus still equals NERFED" and after such a long time pledged

[@KaybeCA]

So many people never give ships a chance just cause of bad paper stats. And people are struggling to adjust to Redeemer going from an immovable brick with heavy shields to a proper gunboat that flies like a heavy fighter. P.S: the Intrepid is a really great starter, especially after the gun buff. But it's true that it's not a fighter despite its absolutely fantastic flight performance.

[@OneNutSupreme]

For the intrepid, it's the looks. I think it's ugly and thinking that I know im gonna just hate on it regardless of performance, and I don't want a video to reflect that and influence people's opinion on it just because I think it's ugly.

[@MILSPECMOM]

Don't care about the changes since I absolutely hate the look of the Redeemer. Looks like two flying hair dryers. Thanks for the video though citizen. :) o7

[@Vioblight]

Nav mode without quantum is flight mode. Hit mouse wheel button down. If you reach scanning nav mode you gotta cycle back through. Rip vanguard and aegis… hope they get some damn love soon, it’s become the worst company in SC 😢 Mezzer era be damned make some new Aegis ships or upgrade the ones we have.

[@TrustSpiders]

Maybe 10% less dps than an F8C but triple the shields and double the hp, with an interior, (albeit a weird one). I've never stopped enjoying my deemer.

[@Yachera]

I think the community suffers much for “white room” thought. I think a ships paper stats are important but you really need to field a ship to see how the stats translate into play. My org and I were doing save staton missions with a squadron of fighters and struggling but it was a cake walk in a crewed Hammerhead. IMO the game is trying to simulate ships similar to irl, multicrew larger ships are always going to be a force multiplier. The redeemer is a great example like the Hammerhead. I might need to test more but from what I experienced so far the just bring “3 ships instead” didn’t pull as much as one fully crewed ship. Instead of the 3 of us trying to stay alive the pilot just worked the shields and maneuvered while the crew just had to worry about DPS, it simplified the division of labor in the OPs and made everything smoother ymmv.

[@BenitKolburn]

o7

[@THEMALBINO]

Better than ever?? That is bullshit! Before master modes and before gun nerf the redeemer was at least 1000000000000000 times better! And yes, its a multicrew heavy fighter for 330 dollars.

[@OneNutSupreme]

Sounds like you haven't flown it.

[@drragequit919]

Before master modes, it was only usable against bigger ships. No light or medium fighter was scared of this thing because the turrets turned like a brick.

[@MrButuz]

Escuse me can you stop talking so I can listen to halo music with my eyes closed? Thx ❤

[@Starrshade]

You can easily tell who has never spent enough time with the Redeemer, and you can most certainly tell who has never flown it and just looks at numbers. The ship is in a far better state for solo play than ever before. Yes, it's meant for Multicrew, but not all the time you will have one or two friends on. The one thing I hate about the loud part of the community. They look at numbers like it's God. Great video, like always o7

[@icytail5302]

@Starrshade there is no point in solo running this ship for the sake of using it to fight in bounty missions. It's whole identity was a tanky gunship that needed multiple people to be feared. If I wanted a solo ship to deal with hrt/vhrt I'd use the corsair. They made this ship lose its whole identity just so it can be a slightly healthier heavy fighter.

[@Starrshade]

@@icytail5302 You can do much more than just space bounty missions. You can do bunker, you can explore around planets, do med beacons. It's Identity to start with was a drop ship then they later changed it to a gunship. It's still a gunship just not as "potent" as people were used to. It's still rather tanky. If they bumped the HP up to 80k-100k that would be great, but in the end when engineering comes online ship HP won't matter. Corsair is too much of a ship for some to solo so a Redeemer is a better pick. It is also a better pick for when you have friends that join in over the corsair. If YOU want to solo the corsair that is fine. If I want to solo a Redeemer that is fine. I've soloed HRT and VHRT's with a Gladius, Arrow, Talon, Connie, Etc. PVE it does not matter what ship you use. Just will take less or more time depending on the ship. So it's what you want. Money per hour or the fun/challenge of doing such things in ships not really meant to solo higher tier ship bounty missions like light fighters or cargo ships.

[@Starrshade]

@@icytail5302 You can do much more than just space bounty missions. You can do bunker, you can explore around planets, do med beacons. It's Identity to start with was a drop ship then they later changed it to a gunship. It's still a gunship just not as "potent" as people were used to. It's still rather tanky. If they bumped the HP up to 80k-100k that would be great, but in the end when engineering comes online ship HP won't matter. Corsair is too much of a ship for some to solo so a Redeemer is a better pick. It is also a better pick for when you have friends that join in over the corsair. If YOU want to solo the corsair that is fine. If I want to solo a Redeemer that is fine. I've soloed HRT and VHRT's with a Gladius, Arrow, Talon, Connie, Etc. PVE it does not matter what ship you use. Just will take less or more time depending on the ship. So it's what you want. Money per hour or the fun/challenge of doing such things in ships not really meant to solo higher tier ship bounty missions like light fighters or cargo ships. Not everyone wants to do maxium money per hour. Most of us want to have fun with ships we like. Meta or not.