Star Control 2 - The Ur-Quan

[@Dwarfurious]

Along that thought, one thing they say has forever stuck in my head! "Lying is for the weak, the Ur-Quan are NOT weak"

[@sm753]

The Ur-Quan are the best sci-fi villains ever created. Unlike most of your stereotypical alien invaders, the Ur-Quan are not evil. They're victims of thousands of years of pain, cruelty, and slavery. They want to ensure their freedom forever so this is the most logical plan for them. Besides...part of what he says is true, we are our own worst enemies. They even say in the game - an Ur-Quan will never be insulting, betray, or lie...even their their enemies. They have their own sense of honor.

[@Danny-pt6kz]

10 years ago you made this comment, technology has advanced so much but amazing writing and storytelling remains solid

[@stormpants1638]

Freedom? And yet they trapped Earth and talk a lot about punishment and how humans are weak? Are you sure???

[@mikakeinanen8382]

@@stormpants1638 You should play the game :)

[@adwadswadsda8458]

@@stormpants1638 Humans are weak. We were 1 accident away from nuclear warfare.

[@adwadswadsda8458]

Try reading about Stanislav Petrov and the false alarm incident, not to mention the basic fact that humanity is too selfish to sustain life with all the pollution and carbon. Sad to say but the Ur-Quan are probably right.

[@McChimperson]

The Ur-Quan's history and philosophy gives a really compelling motivation for why they do what they do if you can listen to the words and look past the alien creepiness.

[@temujin7242]

McChimperson Ur Quan kzer za is actually quite nice.

[@temujin7242]

McChimperson actually i dont find them creepy.. their music is in my opinion the most majestic and suits their race perfectly as the current supreme master race in this sector of the galaxy.

[@gulmaraz5931]

Put on CC

[@Danny-pt6kz]

@@temujin7242 their theme is masterfully made and their intentions can be understood. But they are wrong. In their own twisted way they will never understand the Individual motive of freedom

[@ElJefeRules]

Love the way the alien tells you he has your best interests in mind, and yet you can hear the hatred in his voice.

[@seneryy]

He sounds very evil indeed, but you can hardly find a creature as sincere. You can as well tell how he is genuinely terrified of Kohr-Ah methods

[@brianpendell6085]

He feels hatred because the Ur-quan are the descendent of solitary hunters; they find the presence of other beings all-but-intolerable even before the Dnyarri enslaved them. That's why there's always an edge in their voices. That, and of course, the pain of the exruciator which would put even the most civilized being on edge.

[@TheKnightOfSmite]

Ur-Quan never lie. Never! To lie is to be weak. :P@@seneryy

[@gregoryfolsom7882]

​@@brianpendell6085 "Civilization did not come easy to us. We EARNED it."

[@Zellig]

7:29 this series should win an oscar or something for this Ur-Quan's acting. When he's talking about the dynarri you can really hear the shifts in its voice that indicate how disgusted and harrowed it was just talking and thinking about the creature that basically did the equivalent of a mind-rape on their entire species non-stop for thousands of years. I can really understand why these guy end up wanting to kill/control everything.

[@Cecilff2]

If you're wondering why the Kzer-Za decided to enslave instead of massacre everyone. I think that notion was formed due to their forced massacre of the Taalo, their only friends. The Kzer-Za remember how terrible it was and never want it to happen again, for anyone.

[@MaraudingManiac]

One thing I find really interesting is how these Ur Quan talk about their hero Kzer-Za but the Kohr-Ah never bring him up. Instead, they call all Green Ur-Quan "Effete", or ineffectual. That's pretty disingenuous though, considering if it wasn't for Kzer-Za sacrificing himself to teach his people about the weakness of the Dnyarri, the Kohr-Ah race would have remained slaves to the Dnyarri to this day. Not to mention, ya know, the Kzer-Za race managed to beat the Kohr-Ah in the first iteration of the doctrinal conflict. Both subraces are such compelling villains.

[@j_delay4691]

That's a really good observation

[@TalenLee]

Kzer-Za stabbed himself to death with poisonous acid to buy a few moments to scream the secret of salvation to the world, and the Korh-Ah have to find some way to make that guy sound not metal as fuck

[@percussionfellow6168]

@@TalenLee A very hard task. The Kohr-Ah hero is just a dude who was like, "yessssss let's go exterminatusing."

[@percussionfellow6168]

Man it's almost like the faction that idolized a scientist are more rational and straightforward than the literally evil warrior faction of doom? Like the Kohr-Ah are terrifying.

[@LinksBetweenDrinks]

@@percussionfellow6168 Fine cleansing. No, really though, they're such great villains. Both of them. They're deeply motivated, and wrong, but motivated by when they think is right. Turns out the answer is to all come together.

[@MR.ICE.]

Got a fun fact for ya’ll: Soverigen from Mass Effect was inspired by Ur Quran from his lines to his voice.

[@lord_toker]

how is this man

[@spurgear]

No shit. They ripped off the whole fuckin game

[@MR.ICE.]

@@spurgear Calm yourself down. Mass Effect was inspired by this and many other projects. Like Call of Cuthulu. Ur Quran was inspired by H.P Lovecraft. Does that mean that this game ripped it off?

[@smallchrst]

The speech the Kzer-za gave is the reason that I only ever fought against the Kohr-ah when going through their space. Just to try and stem the flow of doom.

[@rafaelsueyro7825]

i really got sad if i had to kill a dreadnought, i also always tried to only destroy marauders

[@MediaManPower]

"Okay, I guess I surrender." "We will not kill your entire crew ... only those responsible for the decision making. Specifically, YOU human captain, and your officers!" "I really, really honestly surrender." / "Nope! I won't surrender!" "You have made the right choice and saved the lives of your crew." (Game Over) / "You have made the wrong choice and you must now face the consequences of your mistake." (Battle)

[@TeeterreteeT]

I honestly lost it at 'genocidal orgy'

[@jotunbjorn]

That voice would be such a neat party trick. HUMAN! Your beer requires chugging!

[@MxArgent]

if the Ur-Quan's voices were any deeper i swear they'd hit the brown note!

[@CrazyCritterTV]

Funny enough if they were real and came to earth we would all shit our pants eh?

[@jamiecross999]

It just dawned on me. The Ur-Quan sound like a drunk short-of-breath Darth Vader..

[@SaraphDarklaw]

I watch this one and the Kor-Ah video about once a year since 2011. These were such well written characters. You can understand their logic and philosophy so well. As a child, I was mistreated a allot. If you can imagine it, I probably endured it. It took me until I was 14 to figure out how to avoid pain and humiliation (I’m 28 now). Anyway, I understand the pressure to make sure it doesn’t happen again. Nothing seems extreme enough.

[@patrickbo2045]

I do agree a hundred percent, Star Control's characters are BRILLIANTLY written!

[@lord_toker]

I seem to remember reading somewhere that the Ur-Quan's behavior, both subraces, reflected that of a traumatized child now-grown, acting rashly in perceived self-defence.

[@gavinbalter9464]

closed captions omg its amazing

[@shieldphaser]

Wow. Just wow.

[@VarskDarkness]

3:51-4:25 Is a very powerful quote. It hits you through the game as in the real world nuclear warfare is only a click of a button away, and how these devastating wars only happen due to mere emotions. They are right in that it would bear sad testament. A glorious civilization who has spent thousands of years building up to where they are now, only to wipe themselves out due to "issues." The Ur-Quan are right in that it is pathetic.

[@TinariKao]

the scrub king There was no Kohr-Ah or Kzer-Za. Only the Ur-Quan. They hate needless death and devastation so much that they will kill you to prevent it. At least the Kzer-za. The Kohr-ah hated slavery and would prevent it at all costs, even at the death of everything. I can't hate 'em for that.

[@Mandemon1990]

Tinari Kaotika Both of them are traumatized beyond help, having genetic memory does not which makes them remember Dryannari Slave Revot as if they had been there themselves.

[@TinariKao]

Mandemon1990 Follow the path of Now and Forever, bro.

[@temujin7242]

Tinari Kaotika but I think Kzer Za is much better. they ddidnt really "enslaved". they shut them into their homeworld. basically they are protected and Not killed. unlike the genocide we see in human ethnic cleasing going on for thousands of years. they are "kind" in their own perverted ways. Kohr ah just kill. not chanCe to talk. they just pray u will reincarnate as them in future.

[@temujin7242]

Tinari Kaotika dynarri are the ones who they really enslaved by turning them into talking pets.. for the dynarri are the same when they inflict their mind controls on them. its "fair" punishment from the eyes of Ur quan.

[@kon007nic]

"Your worst enemies are yourselves" .. Best line in the whole speech

[@Danny-pt6kz]

8 years later were still feeling it bro

[@Tiggurix]

Aggressiveness is not inherently evil. If you believe so, you are sorely mistaken. The Kohr-Ah even talk about how civilisation did not come easily to the Ur-Quan, and they had to overcome their natural tendencies . They "earned it", in their words.

[@cube6794]

The more I’ve learned about the Kzer-Za, the more I love their voice acting. The tone is very sinister and imposing, about like you’d want and expect from the “main villain”, but whenever they put emphasis on a word, the guttural vocal fry makes them sound almost like they’re on the verge of sobbing, which is probably exactly the case considering their ghastly past.

[@UBCForce]

The species with my favorite starships - DREADNOUGHTS are Amazing, Powerful and beautiful starships in the game! Wonderful design :)

[@percussionfellow6168]

It really is. Amazing starship design.

[@DoomRater]

"We destroyed the Dynarri" But you didn't... did you?

[@Gabronthe]

They basically turned them into batteries and retards with only 1 surviving.

[@watchm4ker]

@@Gabronthe Technically, it wasn't so much survival as reconstruction.

[@Jsay18]

The Dynarri are non-intelligent, they are probably force fed. They are a non-factor, perhaps they only feel pain, an eternal hell of speaking alien languages you cannot understand, and being unable to control your own body, for the direst crime of Mind-Raping the Galaxy. Besides the one surviving, they are utterly, irreparably, destroyed. They will never live free, if you even believe what they do now is living (I don't), only an eternity of servitude, no hope ever of rising up like the Ur-Quan.

[@taragnor]

Yeah the one thing that honestly never made sense to me is why the Kohr-Ah, with their dedication to annihilating all life so it won't have any threats to its species, decides to spare the most dangerous species it has ever encountered.

[@boomerack6074]

@@taragnorIf you pay the Melnorme for historical information, they explain that all the Ur-Quan thought death would be too good for them. They wanted them debased and forever humiliated. It also seems the Kohr-Ah believe in reincarnation, and so they might just want to prevent the Dnyarri from reincarnating into Ur-Quan bodies

[@michalzustak8846]

What is interesting is that if the Ur-Quan conquered modern day Earth, life would be almost the same as it is today. GPS would go out because of being cut off from satellites, the sky would be red, historical buildings would be gone but apart from that, Ur-Quan "slavery" does not seem like slavery at all. They don't really require their "fellow slaves" to do ANYTHING for them apart from refueling their starships on a glorified orbital gas station (which is actually a good idea, as keeping a few people in orbit will act as a "vent" for those who really want to go to space). Apart from that, life under the Ur-Quan would be basically exactly the same as today, just with an omnious red sky. They don't extract resources, they don't indoctrinate people, all they want to do is to keep them planet-bound. They are not good guys, but by far the best "evil" alien conquerors.

[@kornolex]

i think you have no deeper understanding of Social development..

[@mirjamheijn5214]

You don't know what imprisonment is like until you've experienced it. Not being able to figure out technologically to leave earth is different from being disallowed to leave earth. Living in a universe alone is different than knowing that there is a rich tapestry of alien, intelligent and relatable life out there and being forbidden to interact.

[@Dracomut]

I guess you forgot the part where the Ur-Quan destroyed whole sections of human civilization, made it so humanity had to rely on them, and then decided humanity was too risky to keep around and so decided to purposely avoid giving the planet and the space station more resources so that they would either starve to death or kill each other fighting over the scraps... The Ur-Quan may have sympathetic views and backstories, but in the end they really are not any better than most conquering alien races.

[@mirjamheijn5214]

@@Dracomut I never thought it was an intentional lack of supplying the space station, just a natural result of worsened supply lines due to war.

[@Dracomut]

@@mirjamheijn5214 I may be remembering it wrong, but I could have sworn somewhere in the game it is mentioned the Ur-Quan purposely stopped sending supplies to Earth so that humanity would be out of the picture. Plus the Syreen are still getting their supplies, I find it suspicious the more obeying Syreen get their supplies whilst humanity, a race known for it's love of freedom and craftiness, gets shafted.

[@mantha6912]

The ultimate evil voice... I love listening to them speak.

[@justsomerobloxvids1791]

The Kzer-Za are the more negotiable of the two. They were bread to be aristocrats, speakers, the white collar trades. Their speech indicates this.

[@Zellig]

@Campernicus I can explain the reasoning behind this, as it is based on what the Kohr-Ah say later in the game when you ask why they are doing what they do. Basically, the Dynarri psychically subdued the Ur-Quan race. At the time it was just one race. Then, they tampered with them, like domesticated animals, to produce two breeds that they wanted. Kohr-Ah were bred to be warriors/laborers, and Kzer-Za to be scientists/leaders/thinkers/planners. As a result, after liberation, both groups.. (cont)

[@orangeboy2509]

WHAT! A human in a Precursor service vehicle?! 0:38

[@Battleax]

You could get the last diaogue from the Ur-Quan. the one you get after they lose the Doctrinal War and the Death March begins

[@Duke_Blitzein]

Is that from the Urquan Dreadnought in Vela?

[@lord_toker]

@@Duke_Blitzein tf is your pfp

[@kon007nic]

pure masterpiece

[@Hasan9t]

doesn't this ur-quan realize that they are up against 8 chmrrs, and that they don't stand a chance?

[@AAhmou]

Unless they have 10 dreadnaughts.

[@Malroth00Returns]

should have brought a couple spathi eluders or Thraddish torches, my win loss ratio in those ships vs dreadnaughts was over 100 to 1, Chmmr ships have the firepower to take a single dreadnaught out quickly but the zapsats are too tempting of a target for extended combat

[@OmberoPhoenix]

Good point. The Ur-Quan don't really believe in death penalties, except of course when someone REALLY crosses the line (like the captain, when he enters the Ur-Quan sphere of influence). My theory is that they just like to be the dominant species in a settlement where every other race just follows blind obedience, serving their Masters whenever asked to do so. -D

[@sc0pl355]

@Whatever4690 This game is avialable for the PC and Mac for free with the voice packs.

[@Mandemon1990]

They tell you to run for your life and take anyone you can with you, if I remember correctly. I don't think they even fight you, considering it useless.

[@theodorehodbor5080]

I wonder how they'd react to the Tyranids coming or the uprising of the Necrons.

[@johnheater6697]

+Theodore Hodbor To be honest, given the Ur-Quan's insane amounts of competence (ESPECIALLY compared to every 40k faction), I would pay to see that. Probably would be a hell of a war for both sides. I feel the Ur-Quan would definitely be able to fend off a single hive fleet, if not outright destroy it. Not that the 'Nids wouldn't inflict massive casualties though. I doubt they would even attempt subjugulation. Also, the Ur-Quan have a HUGE variety of vessels and troops at their disposal. I imagine it would be like Hive Fleet Gorgon VS the Tau. I would give the edge to the Ur-Quan in this case. Necrons are a bit less brutal then 'Nids, but they could still give the Ur-Quan a hard time for a while. Orks VS Ur-Quan would be hilarious and amazing at the same time.

[@theodorehodbor5080]

John Heater What about Chaos?

[@johnheater6697]

Theodore Hodbor The Kohr-Ah would definitely have some turn to Khorne, i imagine. Some Kzer-Za might even turn to Tzeentch, i bet. As for the battle thralls? I almost guarantee you the Ilwrath would pledge their allegiance to Khorne after accepting Khorne as a form of Dogar and Kazon ( They are probably BASED on Khorne, after all ). The Umgah could potentially turn to Nurgle. Some allegiances would definitely change. Might make a call for the 2 different Ur-Quan factions to actually unite against something for once, considering that they both would likely view Chaos as a threat to their freedom. I doubt the non-chaos affiliated Ur-Quan would be too forgiving of those who did turn to Chaos, probably resulting in inter-hierarchy casualties. Chaos would definitely have a lasting affect on the Ur-Quan's rule, that's for sure.

[@theodorehodbor5080]

John Heater I bet that the Ur-Quan probably would unite against Chaos, primarily because the Kzer-Za's method of dealing with races wouldn't work with Chaos. When it comes to Chaos worshipers, you can't just simply tell them "stop worshiping Chaos!" or even threaten them to stop. Either they've gone insane from it or were physically mutated by it. Chaos is literally the religious form of cancer. You can't cure it, all you can do is remove the infected tissue. And removing "infected tissue" is something the Kohr-Ah excel at. Either both will unite against it and use the Kohr-Ah's methods to deal with it, or the majority of the Kzer-Za will die due to failed attempts at subjugating Chaos worshipers.

[@johnheater6697]

+Theodore Hodbor I wouldn't be surprised, though I think the Kzer Za aren't above using less than humane measures to deal with those afflicted with Chaos. They are known to slaughter those who attempt to rebel against them.

[@modex20]

what "sheath" is he talking about at the beginning? his foreskin?

[@Zellig]

No, the sheathe of a fang. Common among predatory arthoropods like centipedes. Oozing with paralysation venom

[@modex20]

I was hoping for foreskin

[@Zellig]

...Naw man.. Fuckin... Centipedes...

[@mdalsted]

+modex20 ...Why would you hope for foreskin...? Should I be concerned?

[@MarceloCamargobr]

The Dreadnoughts are great in battle, and it's photon (or plasma, can't remember now) canons SFX are great too. Flash Gordon style ;)

[@K.P.Alexander]

Fusion blasts.

[@HayTatsuko]

basically, the Kzer-Za Ur-Quan are kind of like the Empire from Star Wars... evil in that they are totalitarian and implacable about it. at least, that's how I see it. the OTHER Ur-Quan, the Kohr-Ah, are far more terrifying to me, really.

[@percussionfellow6168]

0:10 Casually confirming that Ur-Quan are psychic. Okay.

[@klepikovmd]

Actually not. They just extremely vulnerable to mind control and unable to resist it. In this moment, player have on his ship the psychic creature, the descendant of former masters of Ur-Quan.

[@percussionfellow6168]

@@klepikovmd I suppose that's possible as well

[@seneryy]

They are just mentally sensitive

[@Juff0Wup]

They explain to the captain, what will happen eventually if the Kzer-Za lose the doctrinal war.

[@ScreamsGeo]

What do they say if you agree to surrender? Does it just go to combat or a game over?

[@klepikovmd]

Instant game over

[@ScreamsGeo]

@@klepikovmd I had completely forgotten I made that comment. I've since played the game myself, and experienced that situation.

[@klepikovmd]

@@ScreamsGeo after all this years? Always.

[@돌죽-u8n]

4:35 eeeeeeeeeeeevil

[@Zellig]

No... compassion... they seek only to protect you from a worse more horrific species. They could ANNIHILAATE eaarth now but they're avoiding it, because they UNDERSTAND you... and EMPATHIZE. Do not judge the Ur Quan on their appearance, they aree not the same as Kohr Ah.

[@leonetto6021]

Where do I sign?

[@falconercyrus5584]

4:05 - "Gaian collapse"... во времена были, по играм можно было науку изучать! 🙂

[@DuoDynamo]

Sweet slo-mo Darth Vader voice.

[@thebestSixZero]

This reminds me of my parents

[@Lightslay]

The Ur-Quan are the real good guys.

[@lord_toker]

theyre the ok guys: "hey evil space bugs, thank you for keeping us not dead, but.. slavery isnt really a fate we want either"

[@notstardream]

adorable

[@Whatever4690]

Games like this make me not regret spending 500 pounds on a game console,the 3do had few games but what they had were good,i regret selling it now.

[@Righton2000]

The weird and deep shit that you can pick up from games, huh?

[@sc0pl355]

@MagusJoseph I think they tell the player to tun and hide.

[@LinksBetweenDrinks]

Some of the 3DO voice acting is awful in this game, and some of it is great, but the Kzer-Za played by Larry Zee is brilliant voice acting.

[@warp8368]

What if you surrender to the Ur-Quan?

[@shizogoon9138]

You loose game (you finally got the answer)

[@OmberoPhoenix]

@Chronos1Almighty If you surrender you get an instant game over.

[@Unguided]

When is a slave not a slave? When he is a slave master.

[@johnnybc1520]

It's basically real life.

[@xianb8]

Is it just me, or is the Ur-Quan story very similar to the tragedy of Rwanda?

[@wayniac917]

This game was so fucking AWESOME!!! i liked the 3D0 version better than the comp version though.

[@lord_toker]

agreed

[@Tatuzka]

I see Ur-Quans as the good guys.. :)

[@heaslyben]

That guy is such a backwards utilizing tracking torpedo.

[@Duke_Blitzein]

Brilliant! Translation: Coward.

[@ThatGuysSockAccount]

Why don't you have weapons on your ship?

[@Kadajliger100]

pacifist run

[@WKFO_Space]

You can take on pretty much anyone with only using your escort fleet

[@TransientLunatic]

He has 8 Chmmr ships he’ll be fine

[@lord_toker]

@@WKFO_Space good ol' fwiffo

[@twilightzoneseinfeld]

Most alien invaders are not truly evil.

[@temujin7242]

Michael Joesph kohr ah is quite evil... killing all life. hmmm but orzs is probably worse

[@aceous99]

The Kzer Za ur quan are really the good guys as so far as compared to the Ar Khan other aliens. too bad they are too dumb to realize humans made this game and thus win in every single battle ever against the aliens in the end hahah :S Also he didnt have wepons on the ship because he turned his ship into a space carrier and fights with his cruisers and fighter ships instead.

[@temujin7242]

aceous99 actually the precusor ship was the best. with homing device and plasma.. practically nothing can come close

[@temujin7242]

dreadnoughts are better ships than marurder

[@돌죽-u8n]

Kenji Teh agree

[@andreinazarov7638]

Nope, the marauders can just kill all fighters with the fire ring and the surikens fly longer than the plasma shots from the dreadnoughts

[@Duke_Blitzein]

If the Dreadnaught unleashes it's full battery against a mauraduer and the Maurauder unleases it's full battery against the dreadnaught and this is at the range of the dreadnaught's, the faster firing rate of the dreadnaught kill the maurder before being killed. Still I prefer the Maurader because a Dreadnaught can never catch a Pkunk fury. With the Maurader it can lay it's project as mines and the pkunk could fly into them.

[@twilightzoneseinfeld]

01:43 Lovecraftian Horror reference

[@PaffersStusio]

Какая красата Я бы так и захавав йлого

[@danhorson4947]

Brzmi jak rosyjska propaganda...

[@greenglassman]

SC3 Ur Quan > Silly SC2 Ur Quan

[@AAhmou]

??? Whyyy?

[@andreinazarov7638]

No ... The Ur Quan from Sc2 is far better than from Sc3 because of the voice acting and the story overall Or did you just misspell it? Explain

[@SaraphDarklaw]

Rough take.