Star Grift - Episode 10 - Bad Batch Season 3 Episodes 1,2 and 3

The lads begin to discuss the new Disney Star Wars show while creating another 4 hour episode by accident.

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

Mauler and Ryan: *Exasperated at people treating "kids show" as an excuse for bad writing* SWT, 5 minutes later: "But it's a kids' show tho"

[@RhysCallinan-bv1wi]

It's like, even kids would like decent writing. They're not that dumb. Well, not as dumb as someone like Diabeto or Simpetic Manless or Oblivious Chaos.

[@brycelynch2892]

I find it sad that in its prime, Clone Wars was about looking at the individual clones beyond all their surface similarities and finding unique characters. Now, they are all either stereotypically evil or just straight up caricatures like “Big Dumb One”, “Innocent Little Girl One”, “Smart and Skinny One”, “Fan-service Corpse”, “Edgy Sniper”, and “Rambo, but worse”

[@vadandrumist1670]

Though I would say the Clone Wars simplified them as a whole by making their betrayal due to some microchip mind control. Before that they knew they could at any time be ordered to kill the Jedi leading and fighting alongside them, and that added depth to their interactions that is now missing.

[@rohanthomas4134]

Fan service corpse 💀💀💀

[@cletup]

Order 66 completely split the allegiances of the clones. Some remained to serve Vader and the Empire. The ones who were lucky enough to break from their programming are either trying to find a new life, fight on behalf of their brothers against the Empire, or are rotting in a cell undergoing unethical experimentation. Yes, Clone Force 99 are a bit corny having their archetypical qualities, but Dee Bradley Baker does a great job of making the clones feel unique. The writing could be better, but I think there’s some value to be gleaned from the overarching clone story. The one thing I’ll give them is they at least had the balls to split up the Bad Batch in certain moments 😂 the conflicts they face are AT LEAST somewhat more compelling than the scenarios they came up with for the more recent live action shows (Andor not included).

[@Сайтамен]

​@@vadandrumist1670 Isn't that an oversimplification too, since they all knew and did nothing to warn the Jedi or refuse? Here we at least have Crosshair who was willing to serve the Empire even without a chip.

[@Сайтамен]

This show still features Rex, Howser, Gregor, Cut, Mayday, Wolf - all regular clones with different personalities.

[@misterjohn2]

Star Wars is on fire. I’m glad Ryan and MauLer can see that. The back and forth with Theory is amusing.

[@Spink_Prime]

"I don't remember movies for great lines". And here I am constantly repeating whole scenes in my head at work because I love the character interactions

[@OccamAsylum]

and even goofy movies like Mean Girls are still regularly quoted by people 20 years later.

[@deriznohappehquite]

Explains why I don’t remember a single line from Dune or Blade Runner.

[@nagger8216]

​@@deriznohappehquiteI think not paying enough attention to those movies to not get any memorable lines or character interactions out of them says more about you than anything else, but go off queen. You got this.

[@burningpalm]

Ya but he's french though

[@jcore0981]

​@deriznohappehquite Movies are more than memorable quotes. Prisoners is basically as close to a 10/10 as you're gonna get, but there aren't any lines that are iconic so it's less valuable I guess.

[@Nuck82]

I really do enjoy listening to this podcast. Because there's so many low key burns. It's just baffling how little theory actually knows about things. And I'm not just talking about star wars. He knows almost nothing about pop culture. And Ryan's knowledge of star wars alone is far superior. And Mauler is in the middle and tells them how stupid they are about things is great.

[@AcidifiedMammoth]

Yep! I like Theory but I do find myself wondering just why doesn't he want to acknowledge the issues staring right into him.

[@Stringer13ell]

Ryan knows many things about Star Wars but like all Americans he cant pronounce Villeneuve

[@BananaMana69]

​@@AcidifiedMammothHes just too dumb to, his brain doesn't operate on that level. It sounds like a mean thing to say but I genuinely like Theory and it really isnt anything against him, by eveything I can see Theory most likely has below avg- avg intelligence, like when he was talking about how he watches movies to rate them its clear theres just not much going on in his head... theres many other examples of just general naivety and things going right over his head. Once again not an attack, just a kinda mean observation and not somthing id say to Theory or put on his channel.

[@Unicornpirate]

@@Stringer13ell Who cares? He still knows more than Theory. And both of them have a better IQ than Theory. SWT seems kinda slow

[@firebreathingcow]

@@UnicornpirateTheory literally said he’s part Wrecker. Enough said 😂

[@crimsonpotemkin]

Palpatine's concubine: Daddy Sheev, I don't like being force choked. Palpy: THAT'S TOO DAMN BAD!

[@emhu2594]

Does palpatines look like Harvey Weinstein?

[@Сайтамен]

You will pay a price for your lack of vision!

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

Thanks for the pictures I never wanted in my mind.

[@sedrie34]

Palpy: AND FOR THE LAST TIME CALL ME CREAMY SHEEV

[@JulianDoe]

Timestamps 0:00 Dune 5:00 Bad Batch 15:00 Acolyte 18:38 The SW Situation 25:36 Midiclorians 27:05 Bad Batch 40:57 Palpatine XXX 43:55 Bad Batch 47:38 Devaronian 49:50 Complaints 50:16 Bad Batch 53:28 The Broken Plot 59:34 Reva 1:00:06 Kid's Movies 1:03:48 More Problems 1:13:27 Hera & the Jedi Prince 1:15:18 Superchats 1:21:52 Dune 1:23:40 Sabers 1:26:38 Gaming 1:32:45 Cbaoth 1:35:40 Superchats 1:50:17 Top 3 LOTR 1:52:11 Superchats 1:55:05 Exposition 1:55:45 Superchats 2:01:50 Mauler Is Annoying 2:04:24 Superchats 2:22:15 Theory's Ranking System 2:30:00 Sabers 2:31:00 Leia 2:32:30 Sabers, Bucket & Superchats 3:01:52 Dooku 3:03:11 Ryan's Eybrows & Artwork 3:07:16 Superchats 3:16:08 Ridley Scott 3:18:44 Integrity 3:21:04 Superchats 3:29:31 Tricked 3:30:15 Suerchats 3:41:49 Ryan Storytime 3:46:00 Superchats 3:53:55 The Bad Bitch

[@lusasedoux479]

Finding you in comments like these, right where I always need you? Like finding Gold, madude

[@xenohusky5979]

Bad Batch is definitely not entirely a good show, but it's unreal that they're wasting it on trying to justify Palpatine's bullshit reappearance in TROS.

[@nhagan001]

It makes sense when you think about it. We wasted a chunk of a show to retcon Grogu's journey. How the turns have tabled.

[@TheHardys01]

That's what it's been about since the beginning. I remember commenting on one of Thor Skywalker's videos(back when I could listen to him, saying Omega will be force sensitive. & Years later, here we are. The Bad Batch show sucks. Only good episodes are the first, and last two episodes of season 1.

[@skrublordnord69]

That’s what they’re trying to do with this dumpster fire??? Jesus it’s worse than I thought. I’m glad I never watched this crap

[@nagger8216]

​​@@skrublordnord69I don't know, it's literally just the cloning aspect of it and nothing else, and being obsessed with immortality was always part of Palpatine's character. Like you could say this connects to Dark Empire or something instead and suddenly I just don't think you'd care. It's better to judge it in a vacuum on its own rather than just writing it off because it reminds you of/connects to something else. I also think it's pretty presumptuous to think this place won't be nuked by the end of the show, like this is obviously what they're all going to sacrifice themselves for in order to stop for the big finale.

[@skrublordnord69]

@@nagger8216the thing it’s connecting to is what makes me not care about it and not wanna watch it. You can tell me to ignore the huge awful thing it’s trying to set up, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s trying to set up that big and awful thing. It’s one of the main reasons I hate Disney Star Wars. Cos people don’t wanna look at this as one grand story, because said grand story is garbage, people just wanna look at these bite sized and condensed stories. Which I guess is fine to a degree. But still, it’s connected and trying to set up this huge awful thing that ruined the franchise. Star Wars is dead to me. The only thing that’ll save it is either vaulting it for a decade or having a time jump to 2000 years later when all these characters are dead and gone and they can just start a new story. And then ruin that instead of the story I grew up with.

[@ToMaSsS10]

>its a kids show i dont care >agrees that all series are important even if they are animated That guy just doesnt give a fuck does he

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

Most humans dont care about anything.

[@Super_Ammo]

lmao Mauler's "wot" voice. I want to hear him say "You fuckin' wot mate?" unironically and off the cuff so bad.

[@peanutgallery4]

I'm almost certain he's said that before

[@Mooxieclang]

You should see his reaction to the Isle of Man flag

[@VerySeriousMediaYT]

I really wish Theory would engage a bit more in a meaningful way. He doesn't seem to care that much about these podcasts. Mauler and Ryan are carrying this.

[@mitch4065]

Yep bad host, often leaves Ryan or mauler hanging or like minimal comments

[@VerySeriousMediaYT]

Also mentioning your merch and telling everyone to hit the like button through out the stream is very consumer cringe

[@VerySeriousMediaYT]

Also, Theory is not even attempting to lead the discussion on a show he knows more about. Leaving it to Mauler to drive discussion is so indicative of his attitude and he doesn't seem very invested in having a nuanced discussion.

[@nmr7203]

I'd actually be interested in seeing them talk about random things other then Star Wars.

[@samwallaceart288]

​@@nmr7203yeah it's a real shame MauLer doesn't make content anymore /s

[@Gojeto346]

Tired of hearing Mauler and Ryan bring up valid criticism only to be met with literal actual cope or “it’s cool”.

[@samwallaceart288]

"Dope" is the PG equivalent to putting "fucking" in every sentence; it's an articulation killer.

[@RhysCallinan-bv1wi]

Yeah, SWT is literally useless. No point in even having him on this podcast at all. It's like talking to a brick wall, but worse.

[@kelp7060]

@@RhysCallinan-bv1wi I completely disagree. It's interesting to hear from someone that desperately wants to stay a fan while giving the time of day to two big detractors. This is a very irregular thing going on here.

[@go_rilla262]

Theory is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic or bandaging a patient's finger who needs brain cancer removed or sorting the corn out of excrement, pick your metaphor.

[@BananaMana69]

He is picking ground pepper out of fly shit.

[@aster4jaden]

I hate the Bad Batch simply for Omega, the sources states she's an "unmodified" clone but the fact she is female makes her a modified clone, it's such bullshit.

[@nagger8216]

I'm guessing unmodified in the sense that she doesn't have any of the enhancements and alterations that make the clones as good of soldiers as they are, but yeah it's weird how they never explain or address that.

[@pantherapardus1398]

@nagger8216 I think we're left to assume that she is also a defective specimen.

[@RhysCallinan-bv1wi]

​@@nagger8216Thing is, there really isn't much alteration for the clones beyond having a faster aging system, unless it's a Bad Batch thing. If anything Omega is more altered than clones like Rex or Cody. The thing that makes them good soldiers is their rigorous training they got from when they were kids and techniques given by mercenary Mandalorians.

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

Fun fact: in real life if you're cloning a living being, sex is the only thing you cannot alter.

[@nagger8216]

@@RhysCallinan-bv1wi I disagree, the Prime Minister specifically mentioned how they were modified to be less independent than the original host, which would also open the gateway to countless other alterations. Like, I seriously doubt the clones aren't modified to resist diseases more than the average human can, considering the countless alien worlds they'd be sent to, for example.

[@superjlk_9538]

I hate how they are wasting the clone rebellion story to do “Palpatine clones” which is one of the worst parts of the EU and Canon

[@boletop6204]

this is the only comment that actually matters here

[@lukew6725]

​​@@boletop6204This is the only reply that actually matters here

[@karl5599]

​@lukew6725 this is the only reply to a reply here that actually matters.

[@AimlessSavant]

This is... Madness

[@stevesamuals2651]

THAT'S what they're doing for season 3?!?! I was enjoying the show for doing it's own bounty hunter style thing with discarded clones. What a horrible thing

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

I can't imagine paying SWT to read a joke or a message and have him skip it because he's got zero respect for the money that people give him.

[@Gojeto346]

He respects the money, he just doesn’t give a shit about anything else surrounding the money. He’s an actual grifter.

[@HiddenHandMedia]

The show is called Star Grift. It's right in your face. The only person who never talks about money is Mauler and he puts in the most work out of anybody

[@lightofthenightsky13]

I don't know about that. Some of us think it's funny sending him 2 bucks and seeing if we can get him to read a "naughty" superchat. 3:29:31

[@georgeryan8267]

​@HiddenHandMedia i feel like ryan appreciates the super chats more, and kept calling theory out about it

[@go_rilla262]

"In what way are they trying to fix things." [Sweating]

[@jl7215]

MauLer and Ryan bring so much to the discussion and Theory has a hard time even processing what they’re saying… he has no analytical skills

[@HectorLopez0217]

I get Omega being the naive child character being new to the world, but similar to Atreus in GoW you need to show them learn that realities of life

[@nhagan001]

Hold up sir! GoW employed writers! How dare you evoke that sacrilege for a Star Wars show! Gonna put you in the trash right next to Andor if you blaspheme like that again.

[@Сайтамен]

Well she doesn't trust Emily even though she is also a clone...so that's a step from season 1...

[@nagger8216]

She actually grew as a character in these episodes, I can't wait until they throw that away so they can teach her the same lesson about not trusting strangers again.

[@FeatherRanching]

Yeah, erasing decades of canon should be a hard decision. But they killed the entire EU without a second thought, which is the most modern Disney thing imaginable.

[@finalneuron499]

Have you read the insert they started putting into the so-called "Legends" books? It's like a mean girl trying to be nice.

[@2ndlegend125]

Then, they started pilfering the corpses instead of making their own thing.

[@yumyumeatemup]

The best part of these star grift episodes are the troll super chats that Theory continuously gets, doesn't bother to screen, and then reads out loud, before getting HALF WAY through them and realizing the subject matter of the chat and clicks off them in disgust LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Dudes worse than Jay in his clueless ness and its funny as hell!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[@projecttotalwar3416]

My favorite Star Wars character is Darth Maul’s sister, Alota pain.

[@fconstraints]

I like Star Wars Theory. I really do. He seems like a chill dude and a nice guy. He just has the most baffling takes 😂 but that's what makes for an interesting dynamic between everyone.

[@VellFox98]

A lot of his thinking is both defeatist, yet optimistic. Mauler and Ryan will argue why Filoni/Favreau are an awful combo for Star Wars, and his response will usually be "Okay but who else is gonna do better :/ This is the best we got." While also making excuses for them, "Nah man, this has gotta be studio interference." And simultaneously being bizarrely optimistic about future Filoni/Favreau projects? He's a weird one. To top it off, a lot of his argumentation seems to be "Okay yeah but it was dope, so whatever." He's been very open about how he feels that emotional resonance is more important to him than other components of Star Wars, and that's fine, but ya gotta wonder how much that's worth when this person wants Star Wars to improve, and their interest seems to be more in the 'now', rather than how it holds up in future.

[@fconstraints]

@@VellFox98 perfect summary. The mix of defeatism/optimism is such an odd blend. Gotta give him credit for being a good sport, even though I disagree with just about everything he says.

[@nhagan001]

@tFoxie I don't see it in terms of SWT's Defeatist and Optimistic. It comes off more as a "I will consume or die. The one time I was given the option to have a show that was not about consume (Andor), I rejected it". It comes off as a blind fanaticism. It makes me wonder, the Sequel Movies that he says he hates... did he come to that conclusion on his own, or did he read the room and decide to change his mind at some point? Because if I am being honest, if I was to believe current SWT about what he considers Star Wars, then the Sequel Trilogy are everything he could ever want in Star Wars. Listen to how SWT doesn't want the "Project Necromancer" to be Snoke at 10:00 - 12:20. He is very much ok with the key jangling bits of even the Sequel Trilogy. I don't know how to put it exactly. Ryan and Mauler feel like real people, with real opinions, experiencing Star Wars. SWT... I don't feel the same way about him. Everytime Theory says "wouldn't it be cool". I haven't felt such a "please stop uttering this sentence" from a person quite like him.

[@takaro0]

@001 Both you and @VellvetFoxie have worded it so well. To add on to your comments, I will mention another annoyance I have with him. I think he has taken this theory thing way too far, to the point that it's not theorizing using actual information given by the story, instead it has become a way to explain away everything that he doesn't want to admit make no sense. Given his sub count, this hasn't been good for the franchise at all, as this has no doubt contributed to a large portion of the fanbase lacking any sense of quality, where the standard is ''whatever I think is dope'' and even if it doesn't make sense, our headcanon can always fix it and they keep spreading the retarded mindset: ''it's a kid's show'', like stuff for kids can't or shouldn't be written intelligently. Good luck with wanting Star Wars to improve with that flimsy standard. It has become a lottery with extremely low odds, if Disney makes something good it's by complete accident (which hasn't happened yet btw), unless it's by the makers of Andor ofc, people with writing talent, but NO, to this crowd that was bad/boring because they're so obsessed with Jedis and old characters, which sends the wrong message to Disney. It doesn't matter what old characters they bring back or whatever story they're trying to tell, because with the current talentless writing staff, their projects will always be shit. They might think it's dope, but making sense? Yeah, no way in hell. Filoni/Favreau will never change that. I used to think this undying faith in Filoni was pathetic, but at this point it's just sad.

[@nhagan001]

@@takaro0now that you mention it, Ryan and Mauler really do come off as adults having to tell child SWT that “no, we can’t do this or that dope thing because of (insert reality)”, and his only response to their comments are “yeah, but it would be dope/cool”. Just a little thing called “tempering your expectations”. You want to fly in the clouds SWT? It better either be in a vehicle or with a parachute.

[@marinescu0511]

Take a shot everytime SWT says “it’s a kids show” and you’ll be in the hospital 5 mins in

[@muchachoprints3785]

but imagine you are in a desert...

[@matthewcollins4773]

I hate the control chip retcon. The chips detract from what makes the clones interesting and creepy, and -- in-universe -- from what makes them an effective trap for the Jedi. The clones have been conditioned since birth and indeed before birth to be obedient. They're not normal humans, they're a genetically altered construct. They may have individual inclinations and personalities -- and it was great that the (second) Clone Wars show explored them -- but the core of their psychology is that orders are obeyed. They can be good friends with the Jedi, but when the order is given to kill them, they'll do it instantly. The attitude should be "that's a shame, I liked them" -- regret that it has to happen but 100% willingness to do it. Which is why they can kill Jedi so effectively; there's no malice in them to be picked up by Jedi sensitivity. The Jedi would sense if someone has hostile intent towards them, but the clones genuinely don't. They really are friendly... and also 100% ready to kill their friends if ordered. Unfortunately, the animated show leaned so hard into "clones as individual heroes" that they felt the need to introduce chips to explain why the clones would turn on the Jedi. They shouldn't need chips, the programming is already there. And so we missed out on the creepiness of friendly, individualised clones who would casually gun down their friends if ordered and just got... normal soldiers, being mindcontrolled. Why have them be clones at all in that case?

[@SolarDragon007]

I absolutely agree. Feels like they did that retcon in a misguided attempt to make the Clones more "sympathetic" or something. The 501st Journal logs from Battlefront 2 (2005) were a way more interesting/mature insight into Clone Troopers than any of the dumbed down crap from the "Filoniverse".

[@thewanderer7307]

Well put, I am saving this.

[@MrPyroCrab]

I will never stop looking at Bad Batch as nothing other than shitty Delta Squad.

[@rolandthorne79]

I couldn't breath after "execute order 69!"

[@bananess_]

3:29:30 I hope Darth Shaniqua becomes a recurring villain on Star Grift. Her battles with MrJazz212 are legendary

[@tigerking8165]

Did you just misgender the KFC Empress her majesty Darth Shaniqua?

[@bananess_]

@@tigerking8165 my greatest apologies 🙏

[@grintv6238]

Holy shit lmao ​@@tigerking8165

[@dna0303]

People baiting Theory into reading offensive and sexual super chats is my only joy in life

[@captaindropkik]

This is one of my favourite streams now. Perfectly balanced dynamic

[@kevinjackman4026]

I'm beginning to think this show is just Mauler taking the piss out of Theory.

[@lordkrauser]

With Ryan added in so we have someone with an deeper knowledge of all things Star Wars to play off of

[@kevinjackman4026]

Yeah, Ryan knows his shit.

[@patrioticcat5768]

Omg are people STILL using the "It's for kids so it's OK that it's trash" argument? Imagine 2 parents at a table eating the best quality food by the best chef and their child is just given heavily processed crap with chemicals and dyes that you microwave. Like those scrappy cheap burritos that are 90% salt and carbs. Is this healthy? Will this affect your kid? Who cares "iTs fOr kIdS iT dOeSnT nEeD tO bE gOoD "

[@fischers_of_men]

I need Mauler to go on a rant sometime when this is brought up and just blast through a bunch of "kids" content that is actually good to counter the point that standards should be lowered for kids stuff. The point hits home better when you shove actual examples into their faces.

[@patrioticcat5768]

@@fischers_of_meni wish theyd have an efap talking about how stupid that argument is because it amazes me how many still use it and think its a good response. hence why i use a food analogy because i dont knowhow else to explain it any easier to people.

[@arvatrontheiv2220]

I think it works as an argument for justifying older shows that would have some clumsy dialogue halfway through because there were adds and they needed exposition for people jumping in halfway.

[@SolarDragon007]

Also, maybe it SHOULDN'T be a "kid's show". If we're meant to take this shit remotely seriously as being canonical stories within the universe, perhaps they should aim for a slightly more mature audience than drooling 5 year olds.

[@maestro_nik]

​@@fischers_of_menI'm actually shocked he doesn't bring up Arcane more. Animated show with many layers piled one after another that both kids and adults could enjoy.

[@artfulsparton7642]

this podcast is such a treat, it has its own character arcs, better than most star wars media atm

[@chimp_monke123]

"let the lust flow through you" ~palpi

[@Skele10bro]

1:03:39 JUST BECAUSE ITS MADE FOR KIDS DOESN’T MEAN IT SHOULDN’T MAKE SENSE AT ALL!!!

[@Coconut-219]

Considering that studies coming out show that kids in the last 10 to 15 years are substantially lower intelligence compared to previous generations when they were the same age, maybe modern Disney is for them...

[@Wyzai]

no. We should only serve kids the worst stories so they never develop the ability to read or write good ones.

[@RoamingTrend]

I think this show would work better without Theory. His low energy, bad takes and uninformed opinions make it harder and harder to justify his existence here. 😑 Don’t want to appear as mean, but dang he is sucking the energy out of the other hosts. 😔

[@mitch4065]

That would be pretty funny if mauler saw how popular this was and just did his own thing. Maybe with a rotation of guests. I like theory but yeah very simplistic takes and not much engagement.

[@Gojeto346]

He’s a grifter lol, he doesn’t care about anything, he just wants to make money. Which is why he is constantly worried about his image, he’s asks for likes, for subs, talks about the money he makes from super chats, pushes his shitty lightsabers and doesn’t pay attention to mauler or Ryan. He’s just a straight up consoomer grifter.

[@stevesamuals2651]

"I'm glad we were all wearing helmets, I couldn't bear to look her in the eyes as we left." That line still hits me today from way back when I first played battlefront 2

[@Gojeto346]

“Wouldn’t it be cool?” That’s it, that’s the only thought SWT has in his big empty head. He can’t comprehend quality, he just like cool visuals.

[@drdoomskywalker1731]

Star Wars Theory puts no effort into these whatsoever. He obviously doesn't prepare any talking points and just reads super chats for the entire stream in the most perfunctory manner possible while plugging his merch and yawning a lot. His insights are limited to "this thing would be dope". Mauler and Ryan actually riff off each other pretty well as you can see them on other podcasts with EFAP, Nerdrotic, Drinker, G and G etc. that they both can actually have an actual discussion and conversation but you can feel their energy levels getting sapped over time by Theory's "hosting" and nonchalant attitude. The conversations seems repetitive. Theory continues to live in denial about Star Wars. It seems Theory forgets it all immediately after each show ends with Ryan and Mauler and returns to his blind optimism and has to be constantly reminded of simple things.

[@nagger8216]

​​@@drdoomskywalker1731My guess is he legitimately thought it was a good idea to mend his wounds with Mauler and build that bridge by doing this podcast with him, which is respectable. But now that he actually has to commit to doing it he's bored out of his fucking mind because he just shuts his brain off (if there's even an on switch in there to begin with).

[@Gojeto346]

@@drdoomskywalker1731he’s an actual consoomer.

[@drdoomskywalker1731]

@@nagger8216 For reals. Theory is so dumb he’s perfect EFAP video material but instead Mauler is doing weekly shows with him. IDK why. Mauler just did a video on Stuckmann and SWT is just as bad IMO. Before SWT had that other guy with the glasses who would agree on all of SWT takes and it was boring. They were losing views and that other dude stopped making podcasts with SWT. Good riddance. But then SWT got two people who are way smarter than him on his podcast and now he's shown to be the odd one out on his own channel. Ryan knows way more about Star Wars than Theory does.

[@eidolon1426]

Guys, chill. I've never liked SWT's content, and I've been cringing at *almost* every single thing he's said in these streams so far, BUT; How do you expect him to get better if he doesn't *continue* to spend time around people who will challenge his current point of view on writing? I have MANY issues with things that SWT says, but I don't want him to become discouraged to *continue* hanging out with people like MauLer. One day he'll probably get involved in an EFAP or see some controversy firsthand, and he'll be *forced* to criticize something, and witness the absolute depravity of the people who have *zero* principles for writing. And he'll surely have it burned into his head at that point that he has to be better than that from now on. He'll surely have that moment when everything just **clicks** for him. We can happily criticize him until then, but try not to be needlessly antagonistic and risk discouraging him from continuing down this road. If HE can become a proper Toxic Broodling, imagine how many will have their consoomer worldviews rocked, ya know?

[@PeaceOrUtterDestruction]

I didn’t hate the three episodes. Mauler and the guys pointed out a lot of problems I didn’t notice while watching though. I really hate that they’re doing the Palpatine cloning thing.

[@sivad1025]

Same. The writing was so much better than the live action shows that I was happy to have a tolerable Star Wars show

[@tomhaas7078]

I didn't hate them either, but episode 3 was a diaster.

[@silverprimus321boi9]

whats even funnier is that this isn't even original. this is just a crappy rip off of dark empire, an already flawed but admittedly interesting post ROTJ story in the expanded universe.

[@nhagan001]

@@sivad1025just so you know, that logic was used to prop up the Mandolorian as well. It followed Rise of Skywalker.

[@sivad1025]

@@nhagan001 Yeah, but Mando was just plain terrible. There are actually redeeming qualities in Bad Batch that put it head and shoulders above Mando

[@zakataMan]

I'm so sick of this "It's for kids" nonsensical argument. The Lion King, The iron Giant, Toy Story, and countless other movies are made for and marketed towards a younger audience, that all have characters and storylines that progress logically with depth and complexity, and don't fall apart with even minor analysis

[@samwallaceart288]

Toy Story 3 beats the shit out of every Filoni story combined and takes their lunch money

[@zakataMan]

@@samwallaceart288 look no further than something like WALL-E. Protagonist who doesn't speak but maybe two or three words. Yet his characterization is so rich, We understand his wants, his likes his dislikes, his motivation all through subtext in the story. Not to mention the story is jam-packed with themes as complex as loneliness, depression, courage, obesity, the dangers of an over autonomized world, pollution, rebellion, self-belief, and many other concepts that most people would consider "adult" The movie is not perfect by any means, but compared to the slop of today, it's a goddamn masterpiece. A majority of media today is so shallow, It's just cameo p***. Seems that take us to the next guest appearance or reveal. They're not trying to tell an interesting story with interesting characters, and interesting concepts. They own the rights to one of, if not the biggest most expansive universe sandboxes that exists, They could tell any story with anyone anywhere doing anything, and yet every single piece of media they produced takes place within about 100 years and contains the same handful of characters that they have removed all characterization from.

[@BananaMana69]

45 minuts in - alright lets move onto super chats.... Theories standards for his podcast are so low.

[@teenybopper598]

I mean they went for almost 4 hours. They get so many super chats if they didn't start when they did they wouldn't be able to finish them all!

[@BananaMana69]

The fact youre on the Mooler channel would make me think youd know theres a solution to this problem...

[@Super_Ammo]

From the beginning of these, Mauler had a short time limit, trying to keep it under two hours. I'm sure SWT is operating on that framework. Also, thanks for making me steelman SWT, jackass. xD

[@grintv6238]

Darth Shaniqua is fucking hilarious lmao

[@Roy_mustang7]

And thus theory was broken by superchats on this blessed day.

[@MikeLaundry]

Darth Sheneequa strikes again

[@Gooning_Chunguz]

2:38:15 poor Mauler, lmao I wonder how long he can keep up with such stupidity

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

I didn't even catch that the first time. Fucking kill me now.

[@SolarDragon007]

Don't forget 2:38:46

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

19:00 Is SWT drunk???? His arguments are even more confused than usual, and he seems completely unable to follow along.

[@MikeLaundry]

The group photo is one of the funniest things ive seen in a while.

[@garlund]

week 11? 12? of Mauler and Ryan genuinely surprised to hear Theory still believes in this stuff

[@Quirrel]

The bad Batch is wasted on telling a story on how palpatine returned. What a waste.

[@OKMBVideos]

I was expecting the rise of the Empire from the perspective of the Clones. Basically the good Battlefront 2, but expanded in that section. What I got are a bunch of boring, stereotypes going on pointless adventures and occasionally remembering they have an opportunity to tell a wider story.

[@canaldecasta]

Somehow Palpatine returned. And had sex.

[@joshuacompton2500]

@@canaldecastaLots of sex

[@Сайтамен]

The main focus is still on the batch.

[@nhagan001]

@@canaldecastathe real “bad batch” seasons were Palpatine’s galactic sexual conquests.

[@chapman2001]

These 3 are so fucking good together

[@nhagan001]

2.

[@BananaMana69]

​@@nhagan001Oh cmon half of Ryans great little quips come from something really dumb Theory says, and its amazing listening to MauLer try and speak some writing consistency into Theories thought process, and then the big sigh when it inevitably goes over his head.

[@nhagan001]

@Mana69 There is a difference between being the "straight man/stooge" in the joke and the being Penny from the Big Bang Theory.

[@bananess_]

These 3 are so good fucking together

[@hankrearden5460]

@Mana69 Ryan also knows more about Star Wars than both of them. He's read all the books, played the games. Probably one of the most knowledgeable star wars youtubers out there. I wish Mauler would read some of the EU books. Would love to hear his thoughts on some of the better ones. Like Mauler only knows Thrawn from this Disney shit and not the real one for example.

[@bananess_]

41:30 to 43:53 is the funniest thing I've heard in a while

[@Aikurisu]

DO IT.

[@reaps912]

Kinda why I enjoy these streams so much is SWT actually seems to be enjoying himself I think he's still coming to terms with the concept of 'having fun' on livestreams though, but we're getting there step by step 😆

[@sideless5339]

I do love how this could be turned into a Jedi being tempted by a Jedi who believes in following the Will of the force who doesn't agree with the Council and an actual Sith Lord.

[@timbo9970]

Darth shaniqua is strong with the dark side

[@fieldmarshalbaltimore1329]

I'm a big fan mauler-chan

[@revanne5012]

2:29:20 Pain is like the big bad of the first half or bit over half of Naruto Shippuden, basically a guy who controls 6 dead bodies with power over things like attractive and repulsive forces, can summon giant beasts, and rip out peoples souls, and tbh he would very likely stomp ventress

[@TheEldritchGoth]

Midichlorian is our word you can say M Count

[@S4ns]

"Whas up, my Middas?"

[@Coconut-219]

"M-pass"

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

"That's not a coo-... I mean moon."

[@jordanmay3287]

22:33 Star Wars had mass appeal when it hit theaters because it was unique, creative, new, and groundbreaking. The Prequels got a similar, albeit lessened, response from fans because despite all it's problems it was still all the previous things that the OT was. The Sequels suck because they are not unique, creative, new, or groundbreaking in any way. They are derivative, repetitive, and uninspired. Star Wars is dead because corporate media killed everything special about Star Wars in an attempt to replicate the mass appeal of the past

[@tigerking8165]

Darth Shaniqua iz muh qween! She finna liv 4eva! Hail!

[@aakuster]

Gladiator and ROTS 10/10? Good lawd 😒 Theory sure is a piece of work.

[@LivingGhost1]

Everything Star Wars Theory brings up that he thinks will be interesting is the exact opposite of interesting. We already know how Darth Vader, Plagueis and Palpatine's stories end. We don't need anymore. I don't trust Disney to handle any of the legacy characters right so I don't care. Give me new stories with new characters FFS! It's a galaxy not a neighbourhood. Who the hell gives a shit about Palpatine clones which leads to arguably the dumbest and worst Star Wars piece of media of all time being Rise of Skywalker. Also does Theory get baked before he does every livestream because I swear he has the energy of a middle aged narcoleptic fat guy.

[@mhm35]

27:38 Shoot I got that impression from the cut episodes of TCW for the Sad Batch and by the first appearance of Omega for this show. MauLer is spot on.

[@Joriko13]

With all those Palpatine quotes mentioned, how could you 3 forget "UNLIMITED POWAHHHHHHHHHH!" What a Star Grift...stay classy gents.

[@Jedi_Spartan]

2:58:27 I find it funny that Ryan doesn't mention the Mortis arc from TCW as (from what I remember) the connection between The Ones and Abeloth only comes up very briefly in the last book... and I think the last book was the only one to release after the Ones got introduced in TCW. Also the Mass Shadow Generator from the question after is the name that Revan and the Jedi Exile's forces used to destroy the Mandalorians at the end of the Mandalorian Wars in the KOTOR era. 3:24:38 MINIMAL changes? The Thrawn Trilogy either implied or outright presented the Clones as being used by the faction trying to invade the Galactic Republic...

[@MrNeighSayer]

MauLer may as well be an extension of my own reaction to the stuff that impresses Theory.

[@DeanCaruso]

I think theory’s reasoning for andor fans being sequel fans is super weak. I love andor and for myself and the vast majority of other andor fans I’ve spoken to hate the sequels. From my point of view (reference) fans of TCW and fans in general are more often being intolerant saying that any criticism is just toxic or overly negative. Love the content but I personally I just think this opinion doesn’t line up

[@misterjohn2]

TCW fans call Andor badly written because there aren’t any lightsabers or Force users or big cameos, and when Andor fans respond they’re percieved as overly mean somehow. I’m so depressed.

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

"Super weak" is the understatement of the century.

[@DeanCaruso]

@@misterjohn2 true. On r/saltierthancrait anyone who said anything negative against anything from Feloni got so much toxicity. And they say have the nerve to say others are toxic when they are (in the majority of cases) almost as bad as sequel fans. It’s true people are allowed to like what they like, but others also have the right to dislike what they dislike. Don’t be depressed, after all you could be a TCW fan 😜

[@AstrodeBastro]

Pharoh Ryan is the only thing that brings me joy in life

[@AdmiralNesence]

Im calling the plot of bad batch season 3 now, the main characters are going to raid “project necromancer” to try and destroy it but instead theyre going to abduct the clone of palpatine whos going to be the same age as the girl clone, theyre going to have a poorly written romance plot, and it will turn out that omega is rey’s mother to try and justify how rey is totally super intelligent, i have not and will not watch the bad batch but im convinced that ive got the plot from just whats in this podcast.

[@aspiringnormie9499]

Agreed

[@nagger8216]

Bro... it's scary how this can actually happen lmao

[@Сайтамен]

Omega is blond. Rey's mom was brunette. Rey's dad doesn't look like Palpatine. By the time Rey's parents get killed by Ochi Omega should be 54 years old. Rey's mom looked at least 20 years younger. It doesn't work.

[@matthewcollins4773]

That would mean Boba Fett is Rey's uncle. Which would be hilarious.

[@Aikurisu]

The Long Man Curse has claimed Grift Mondays and I'm perfectly fine with it. =P Great chemistry between you three, as always! Ol' Palp's raunchy sex life needs to be explored more, too. Why hasn't anyone mentioned the Kama Sithra before?!

[@DaWoWzer]

I just found out this podcast exists and it's kind of funny to see SWT again, I subbed to him when he still only had like few thousand subs and loved the content, sadly when I fell out of love with star wars after TLJ I just stopped watching and eventually unsubbed, crazy to see him come back in a round about way to my feed. hope this comes to spotify at some point.

[@gucciprison7640]

LMFAO "We wuz Siths and shieet."

[@Skele10bro]

The prequel era and the OT are so fundamentally different, only being held together by character names and general iconography. Any addition to one almost always damages the other: midichloians, Jedi extinction and eraser from existence in 20 years, cloning, world building hiccups, ahsoka tano’s existence, the entire Mortis shenanigans, and the list goes on. They could be separate IPs with the amount of incoherency that occurs between them.

[@boletop6204]

SW never was a strict and detailed timeline .. it overlaps and has plotholes all the time.. but its not meant to be analyzed like a damn scorsese movie if u know what i mean.. that part of youtube channels doing content on sw is always fkdup because ppl are bound to overanalize something not meant to be overanalized

[@boletop6204]

its more like a huge store.. take what you like and ignore what you dont like and thats it

[@deriznohappehquite]

Mortis never actually happened.

[@Skele10bro]

@@boletop6204 no, it’s a narrative. It’s a continuous story that has a beginning, middle, and end. If the timeline doesn’t make sense then that is a flaw. Your response saying that nothing matters unless you like it is destroys the entire narrative. Do you forget Age of Ultron or Iron-Man 2 from Marvel because you didn’t like it? No, because they were part of the story and they included character development that affected things going forward. If someone didn’t like the first avengers movie, does that mean it isn’t canon and therefore none of the other movies make sense? Of course not, that’s a preposterous argument. That isn’t overanalyzing, that’s watching a movie.

[@Skele10bro]

@@boletop6204 do you remember how the OT fit cleanly between each of its movies? Do you remember how the Prequels had issues between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith because they screwed up the timeline? Do you remember how the end of Revenge of the Sith and the beginning of A New Hope feels like an impossibly short amount of time? Star Wars used to be well made, George went mad with CGI power and overdosed, and the story became muddy, only to slot books in all sorts of places to muddy the water even more. Star Wars is not a buffet, it is a story; if there are no set character beats and no solid plot, then there is no coherency and thus no story, coherent plot, definable characters, sturdy world building, or stakes for investment. It becomes a mess of colored lights and loud noises.

[@dumbo1950]

Palpatine needs clone girl blood to successfully create the perfect clone of himself.

[@nagger8216]

Palpatine just wants to be a Barbie girl in a Barbie world. The culmination of all his plans is to successfully transplant himself into a little girl's clone body.

[@S4ns]

But why does he need some clone Mandalorian blood make a perfect clone of HIMSELF. His own creamy sheev DNA should be enough to do that.

[@nagger8216]

@@S4ns I'm 100% willing to bet she's Force sensitive and that'll be important to the cloning in some way. Edit: Called it, Nala Sai mentioned a successful M count transfer into her blood.

[@Coconut-219]

"I am all of the sith" -Palpatine "I am all of the clones" -Omega

[@Сайтамен]

@@nagger8216 Because he knows that his life in plastic will be fantastic...

[@anarchy....]

SWT is peak consumer

[@ToMaSsS10]

is he? he doesnt seem to like anything else aside SW

[@Gojeto346]

@@ToMaSsS10it’s not that he consooms everything, it’s how he watches any media he does come into contact with, he watches it with a consoomer mindset. Listen to his defenses on anything, it’s literally just “because it looks cool” that’s consoomer.

[@ToMaSsS10]

@@Gojeto346 I agree, he sounds dumb

[@jujuteuxOfficial]

darth sheniqua is the new antagonist of this show

[@Сайтамен]

34:15 - I think it's a prosthetic hand which he got recently and he hasn't got used to it yet, so he just touches it on reflexes when he is nervous.

[@Spaceman2K5]

The show is great but my god saying “TCW” isn’t an abbreviation, it’s slower to say, it has more syllables than “the clone wars” or even just “clone wars” 😂

[@Pink.andahalf]

No hate for him, but Star Wars Theory still citing Legolas as his favorite LOTR character in his 30s really speaks to the immaturity of his media analysis.

[@AcidifiedMammoth]

What's wrong with Legolas being a favorite? Serious question. (I haven't read the books but have watched the movies, not an awful lot to go on, but still)

[@Pink.andahalf]

​@AcidifiedMammoth Legolas is the cool one when you're 8, but beyond his interactions with Gimli there's nothing to him. He's probably the least interesting character out of the Fellowship. He just looks cool and does cool stuff. Nothing deeper to dig your brain into. The other 8 all have stuff going on.

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

@iedMammothBecause he's the most superficial. Like Mauler said in the EFAP movies episode, he can understand the perspectives of having pretty much any of the major cast as someone's favourite character, but with Legolas it gets a bit rough because there's just not much to him.

[@GeeMannn]

He literally said he didn't know much about LotR in the first place. Im not count to count that against him if he doesn't care about it that much. Plus there's way better marks against him for "media immaturity" (if I even know what that means lol)

[@Snowstrider0001]

2:03:00 - 02:03:10 -- But how did it make you feel? Hello Greedo, nice to see you again! lol

[@edgardtheknowledgekeeper3119]

Please get Theory to watch some of your critiques.

[@drdoomskywalker1731]

Theory doesn't have the attention span for that

[@edgardtheknowledgekeeper3119]

@@drdoomskywalker1731 we all have room to grow lol

[@medicatedmoviereviews5764]

We were the ones who made the gunray meme, can’t believe you guys saw it that’s awesome 😂

[@crossnova6215]

I would love to see Mauler's reaction to Primal by Genndy Tartakovsky

[@Aikurisu]

... just don't tell him there's a second season. That one pretty much sucked.

[@aspiringnormie9499]

Primal absolutely rocks right up until the chick comes into it

[@Aikurisu]

​@@aspiringnormie9499 She was fine on her own till the star duo went on that bloody rescue mission to end all rescue missions, jumping so many sharks that the universe they were in became downright ridiculous.

[@SofieAndMe]

I was hoping the bad batch would in some way be related to the Republic Commando books, but nope.

[@_juliette_marie_]

i loved these books! i was hoping the same thing.

[@nagger8216]

Oh God, no thanks. We want Star Wars to get better, not worse.

[@GeeMannn]

​@@nagger8216at this point what difference would it actually make lmfao

[@blackdragoncyrus]

That aspect of the cloning stuff in Star Wars is just so uninteresting to me - On the other hand, how it affects the citizens of the world, and the potential ethical questions it poses is something I would be down to watch a show for.

[@visitingforgefather5997]

Honestly I would love to see something dealing with the ethics of all that. Where are the jedi during the clone wars calling this all out? You cannot tell me there were no jedi who had major issues about them leading what is in essence a slave army.

[@RhysCallinan-bv1wi]

​@@visitingforgefather5997I think there were a few, but from what I remember it was mainly comics. There was a love story between a clone and a Jedi for example, in which they hunted down a Kaminoan scientist to reverse the aging. I guess that while we see multiple Jedi in films and shows during the Clone Wars era, we don't get to see much of them in full detail unlike the heavy hitters or the medium characters. Literally had Jedi that only appeared for one episode just to die. At least three times it happened to my memory in the 3D clone wars, and the animated one there was that one episode where Grievous shows himself for the first time to kill every Jedi but one during a destroyer crash site battle.

[@visitingforgefather5997]

@@RhysCallinan-bv1wi Sorry should have been more clear, I meant in the regards of disney star wars. I'm aware some EU writers touched on this, which was nice to see. While disney star wars brush on some topics but that tend to be where it ends. For example the clones their feelings about the whole war, on the one hand they hate it but on the other if it wasn't for the war they wouldn't even exist. Or questioning what will happen with them after the war, all interesting things but generally just gets mentioned and then doesn't get mentioned again. One change I found very frustrating was the clone commados mandalorian instructors not being a thing anymore. Since they formed almost parental bonds with these clones and grew to resent several jedi for their callous regard for the clones their lives.

[@RhysCallinan-bv1wi]

@@visitingforgefather5997 Fair points. I guess Disney "forgot" about the Mandalorian advisors, just like Kathleen "forgot" that Star Wars has an entire history in its universe, the one they nuked and chose to steal from good stories and adapt them into shit ones.

[@visitingforgefather5997]

@@RhysCallinan-bv1wi Man early dementia sure seems rampant over at disney.

[@antonalexander3795]

Theorys Clone Trooper - Stormtrooper analogy is the most cringe shit ever

[@drewandcharlie7583]

What? A girl thats the key to everything? well that’s original disney

[@Сайтамен]

15:00 what Theory is trying to say is that you don't need any context to watch Acolyte, other than the 6 original movies, if that. On the other hand, to understand what was going on in Ahsoka you needed to watch Clone Wars, Tales and Rebels, because there was no exposition.

[@bananess_]

yeah i acc agree with him there kinda

[@superunluckyllama5040]

Casuals wouldn’t know they need to watch all those shows though. They’d have to be fans to even know those shows are tied in. This is a phalacy hardcore fans create and is illogical. Casuals see “Star Wars” and either consume the fast food media or don’t.

[@Сайтамен]

@@superunluckyllama5040 When they see the Ahsoka trailer and hear the line "Anakin never finished my training" they will think "wait what" and realise she is a character from other media.

[@Roy_mustang7]

10 Episodes in, heck yeah 10 weeks down of Clone Wars! Oh wait...nah, Theory derailed that because he saw a mosquito fly past his screen once so his mind changed. Lets skip that 9 times, skip 2D and 3D CW/TCW and lets just jump randomly into the last season of this nearly pointless clone show Bad Batch! Bruh....😢😂

[@vandergraff1123]

Theory needs to lay off the Rhino milk, it's scrambling his brain.

[@npc042]

Watch them bait The Acolyte with the Chosen One prophecy since Lucasfilm can’t help tying everything back to the Skywalker Saga.

[@go_rilla262]

Is MauLer ok after hearing Theory's rating system?

[@Tedscwa]

The return of the grift

[@deliverymanq7333]

so were not adding "AND ME." to the intro?

[@WayStedYou]

we didnt even have the intro in this episode

[@deliverymanq7333]

@@WayStedYou breaks my little heart

[@Сайтамен]

58:40 - that can be explained by Nala telling Omega the code to unlock her pad off screen. Would like to see that in the episode, of course...

[@Instafail]

Thank you for this wonderful grift gift. I'm eagerly awaiting a Qwibgift sponsorship in future.

[@JeremyDahl]

ANDOR FANS ARE SEQUEL FANS???? lol what? hahahahaha so out of touch. Andor is brilliantly written, sequels are messy goofy trash. art preference is subjective sure... but lol.

[@samwallaceart288]

Show me a sequel fan who liked Hayden in Obiwan, and I'll show you someone who will _never_ watch Andor

[@chernobog9]

“It was at this point that theory realized he had a made a big mistake” oh boy he was not ready for a breakdown with mauler and Ryan.

[@Thaddeus.]

i cant believe ryan lost his mind again. two weeks in a row....🥺

[@GeeMannn]

At this rate we're gonna have to swap out the pharoah headdress for a special needs helmet 😂😂😂

[@loicbosman4739]

No, sequel fans are not the fans of Andor. Lol

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

I despise the sequels, I don't even like Rogue One, and I thought Andor was fantastic!

[@loicbosman4739]

@@szeltovivarsydroxan9944 Yeah, t'was a fairly misinformed and bold statement. Though it's wrong, Theory was simply confused

[@samwallaceart288]

Andor is the most anti-Filoni you could ask for lol

[@Jedi_Spartan]

I remember back when Bad Batch Season 2 and Mando Season 3 were airing side by side around the time of Star Wars Celebration last year, and there were weeks where it felt like its the Bad Batch episode was better than the Mando episode. Also in regards to The Acolyte. I'm hoping that it's still set far enough back before the Prequels that Plagueis can't be a character in it. With the trailer from Star Wars Celebration, the reactions were basically just cheering when lightsabers appeared...

[@obi-wankenobihasthehighgro6607]

A bit off topic however just watched the first 2 episodes of Shogun; best tv show I've seen in a long time, I would compare it to house of the dragon perhaps even better.

[@Sangth123]

The balls on this show to use Scorch. If that characters dies, you're gonna hear about something happening to the Lucasfilm studio on the news.

[@brandonm1708]

Well that was an opening with some innuendos