Star Trek DS9, Sisko backs Dax completely.

[@Mr5percenter]

“I’ve lived seven lifetimes and I’ve never had a friend quite like you” Easily the best compliment ever! His loyalty to Dax is second to none

[@michaelgreenwood3413]

It's why Jadzia's death hit everyone hard. She was the heart of the Station, and everyone's friend.

[@DarkNova50]

Scenes like this made the friendship between Sisko and Dax feel authentic: they yelled sometimes, and got angry at each other. But through all that, you could see how much they cared about each other.

[@Altronn]

One of the reasons why DS9 is my favorite Star Trek series

[@modalmixture]

Sisko is doing exactly what a friend should do in these situations: remind the other person of their values, encourage them to think through the trade offs, but still support them no matter what.

[@bcn1gh7h4wk]

"I love her!" "Does she love you enough to carry the burden you intend to put on _her_ shoulders?" BAM!

[@E-Brightvoid]

Nighthawk Better yet, are YOU willing to live with the burden you place on them?

[@bcn1gh7h4wk]

you should acknowledge that the answer to that is yes, from the beginning. that's the whole point.

[@christopherg2347]

Funny enough, that question was answered. "I'm not like you, Dax… I don't have a little Curzon inside me telling me to be impulsive…to ignore the rules… give up everything I've worked for…" memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Rejoined_(episode)#Memorable_quotes

[@DaveMiller2]

Great line. Can you imagine a show using that exchange today though? The woke Twitter mob would be screaming for blood and body parts.

[@DaveMiller2]

One of the reasons DS9 is THE best Trek is because of the character development and interaction. Scenes like this. This scene could have been handled poorly in a dozen ways. But it was done very well. Brooks is an underrated actor, and Sisko is the best captain.

[@davidtyler6708]

DS9 is finally getting the attention it was so denied during its time on the air. I read in the entertainment trade that the show was about two guys arguing. How things have changed.

[@FeatherWait]

"Ben, I wanna get gay with my heterosexual wife." "Cool."

[@christopherg2347]

Isn't she more like her ex-husband? Or did I mix that up? It is hard to keep the Dax genders straight. Edit: Wait, nevermind. Dax was the husband in that old marriage.

[@VersusARCH]

True friend: "Y R U Gae?"

[@Methalec1985]

@@VersusARCH - Dax was married to the Khan Symbiont when both were joined to previous hosts. Torias for Jadzia and Nilani for Lenara. I would call it pansexuality.... Though at the same time, we don't know what genders Trill Symbions have, if they have one, two or several. Still, this did a lot to make Trek open to homosexuality. Same with when Riker encountered the J'naii, a fully male species who had members who felt female. Still beats the question.... Are trans people gay or heterosexual? It can be explained both ways but definate answers to it are difficult.

[@SantomPh]

@@Methalec1985 pansexuality is exclusively human and mostly done for attention. Trills as far as we know can be with men or women (hosts) but reassociation with previous hosts' loved ones has terrible consequences. Jadzia is wrong in a sense, she is not one person, she is two people at once. And one of those people will be violated if the other (the Dax) wants to reassociate.

[@borgCube100]

SantomPh “done for attention” Proof?

[@Hibbs4Prez]

LOOK AT THAT SET. Still holds up. Just beautiful.

[@Slopmaster]

For something designed by Cardassisans, it was really warm and inviting.

[@123Jokkmokk123]

Everybody should have a Sisko in their life!

[@ashtonpeterson4618]

Or an Iroh

[@JingleJangle256]

It’s one thing to have a Sisko, it’s another to be a Sisko for someone else.

[@TheWinterShadow]

Or a Quark. lol

[@chance2smoke]

1:57 "I know that. And I believe in that." Some damn fine acting right there.

[@andrewworley4401]

DS9 was always great for these type of scenes.

[@biancabeluga1597]

andrew worley Oh yeah! I totally agree!

[@linkeffect82]

Fantastic scene! The emotion and acting are beautifully done, as I genuinely feel the weight of the discussion and of the repercussion that Jadzia Dax would face is truly felt. Fantastic acting!

[@clairestark9024]

That's a friend "This a bad idea but I have your back."

[@styleset]

This a great moment for actor Avery Brooks. Stellar!

[@Trund27]

styleset absolutely. A masterpiece.

[@ttanza4004]

Avery Brooks actually also directed this Episode.

[@TheWinterShadow]

In all honesty...I think it was very easy for him. He is really good.

[@casmx7300]

I just watched this episode a few days ago (on Netflix) and let's be real, within the lore even if she were exiled, there's enough Trill out there that want a symbiant so desperately that they'd be willing to break the rules themselves and accept a symbiant that has been exiled. Hell, Jadzia's symbiant was forcibly stolen from her by one of the more radical Trill that wanted to be joined. We also know that more Trill are compatible than incompatible, so finding a host should be easy, even for an exiled symbiant. What I'm getting at is, if the only reason she didn't follow her heart is because it would mean the end of the Dax line of succession, then there really wasn't anything to worry about.

[@Xathos]

Other Trill are suppose to disassociate with them (makes serving in Starfleet awkard). But, once again based on what Sisko reminded her, there is NO logical reason to pursue that route of increased risk to the symbiote. It is contrary to their cultural values, and training.

[@dreamingflurry2729]

@@therdj15 If they found their own "Symbiosis Commission" then there's no "unscrupulous people" - hell, in the end Jadzia and others like her in charge and it would be better than this lying mess the the original commission is (lying about the rate of compatibility - as if the civilized Trill would raid the symbiote-pools (frankly: Post the military there, phasers set on wide beam stun, place force-fields and transport inhibitors till everything has calmed down...but after that I doubt there would be much chance of Trill actually trying to raid the Symbiote Pools!), suppressing hosts they don't like (Joran Dax!) etc. etc.)...so yeah, go ahead and dump on the commission (they let Curzon in who IMHO was a dick who knew he was a dick and still went to far a lot of the time -.-)

[@drmayeda1930]

This is ironic when you consider that Dax ended up in a trill that wasn't trained as a host.

[@Hiro-li8cf]

Captain Sisko.....the Mentor we all needed.....and the friend we all wanted.......

[@nicholasdickens2801]

Deep Space Nine - Best Trek ever! Sisko is the best leader ever. A brilliantly crafted character. Great writing, direction and a great actor.

[@jameswatsonatheistgamer]

Alongside ENT.

[@Archie2c]

He was My Captain Even though I watched every show Sisko is the Man

[@TheWinterShadow]

Facts

[@philp1398]

They have the absolute BEST friendship in all of Star Trek.

[@IndomitableT]

Phil P. Well, there is Spock and Kirk🤔🖖🏼

[@DRTY3RD]

And Bashir and O'Brian, considering it developed really within the sphere of five seasons.

[@jamesdavis1201]

@@IndomitableT I used to think the same thing. But if Kirk was Spock's first officer for multiple years there would have been no friendship. In other words, Kirk's ego demands that he be on top for the friendship to work. It's a conditional friendship.

[@TheWinterShadow]

The best friendships All Trek are Sisko and Dax...Kirk and Spock...Sisko and Kira.

[@NovaHessia]

Fun facts: 1) The "penalty" for the crime is merely exile. Jadzia would have been able to remain officer aboard DS9, live her life, etc, just not return to Trill space. But - 2) We also learn during a DS9 episode that basically every Trill is indeed capable of hosting a symbiont. The Trill Government simply lied about that fact. But even among what they claim is a minority of joining-capable Trill, only a minority actually gets joined, so even according to the government you have many unjoined but joining-capable Trill. 3) As was shown with the emergency implantation of the Dax host into Erzi, or that one TNG episode, non-Trill doctors can perform the procedure. 4) Federation doctors are beholden to the Hippocratic Oath to protect all life, which would extend to the (clearly sentient) symbiote. So in conclusion: Even exiled from Trill space, it would actually be possible to pass on the Dax symbiont after Jadzia's death. The threat isn't as big as they make it out to be here.

[@nicholasbenge2596]

1. That means the Dax symbiont could not return to Trill under any circumstances. That means, when Jadzia dies the symbiont would die. 2. That episode stated only about half of the Trill are capable of joining. 3. I'm sure there are non-Trill doctors are versed in Trill physiology when there are Trill aboard the ship. Dr. Bashir needed to relearn Trill physiology when assigned to DS9.. 4. I'm sure that the Trill would refuse treatment for the symbiont, or if on Trill allow the symbiont to die.

[@NovaHessia]

The point is since 1) there are way more official joining candidates than symbionts available, and even more joining-capable Trill than that and 2) non-Trill doctors can do the joining procedure as well - exile from Trill doesn't automatically mean death for the symbiont.

[@Dispaminite]

It does mean that instead of getting the best candidate for joining as determed by the Commission, the Dax and Kahn symbiotes would have to go with whoever they could get. They'd lose the protection of Trill Society which is, as a previous episode addressed, designed to prevent them from becoming commodities. And they'd have to keep doing this until their deaths, since I doubt the exile is just for one hosts lifetime. It also means that there's a chance that the Federation would let the symbiotes die, as they let Bajor be enslaved, as this is "an internal Trill matter".

[@lyianx]

2. Not 'every' Trill, but many more than they let on. This is because there are few symbiant's and as was said in later episodes when this was revealed, they were afraid they would effectively become "black market" items, highly sought after, and prone to theft. Which isn't the case when you add in a "you have to be compatible, and only we can tell you if you are" clause. 3. And Erzi was mentally unstable for awhile as a result. She wasn't trained or prepared for the onslaught of personalities and memories, and it took her a while to cope with it. When you are dealing with what equities to be an immortal life form, whos personalities and memories mesh together, with each added host, I would feel its rather important to screen who the next host will be as to not "contaminate" the symbiant with a bad personality. (see Joran Dax) As for this Taboo, it kinda goes along with that. As if two joined Trills kept reconnecting, there would be little variation in their lives and kinda make the symbiant run stale. So i kinda understand it. All said, im sorta in agreement with how the Trill have gone about taking care of, and distributing the symbiants.

[@timf7413]

That's all reasonable, but it also assumes there will be a compatible Trill available and willing to take the symbiote at the time of death. Keep in mind that the entire reason Ezri ended up as Dax's host to begin with is that she was the only Trill available in the same location as the symbiote within the needed time frame. While not insurmountable, those are some fairly big "ifs"

[@Hibbs4Prez]

Such a shame we got so little Sisko-Dax interaction in the final season.

[@no1reallycaresabout2]

They were dealt bad cards. They had 6 seasons to build and explore the friendship between Jadzia and Benjamin Sisko; 6 seasons for Farrell and Brooks to learn how to play off each other. Ezri comes into the picture only in Season 7; with it both being the final season and the height of the Dominion War, they didn't have as much time to explore a new friendship; for De Boer and Brooks to learn to play off each other well.

[@Alan1701b]

If instead of Star Trek: Picard there was Star Trek: Sisko and the plot revolved around Dax and the show involved talk about the love between Sisko and Dax, I could believe that over that talk of Picard loving Data in ST:P. Picard and Data were friends and comrades and respected each other but I believe more in the depth of feeling between Sisko and Dax.

[@mkbuddy]

Sisko should have been in one of the Films

[@chance2smoke]

Imagine this. If you are a friend or loved one of a joined Trill, in a way you have achieved immortality. If you subscribe to the idea of it being tied to living memory.

[@Tigerman1138]

I love Sisko with his head shaved.

[@ravenstrategist1325]

there he started to channel his goatee power for the wars to come.

[@ML-yn9yu]

I was fucking today years old when I realized that Avery doesn't have eyebrows My mind is blown!

[@sharpaycutie2]

Same. Thus look is his Best look with goatee of course

[@davidtyler6708]

Yea, he went back to looking like his "Hawke" character from when he played on "Spencer, For Hire."

[@superzentredi]

and this is what Kurtzman and his people do not understand about Star Trek, it's not just about pushing vogue progressive ideas with a one sided narrative with flashy special effects. Its about presenting the consequences of such ideas, good and bad. The writing here is so deep.

[@MurrayTheMac]

"One sided narrative"? lol

[@christopherwall2121]

@@MurrayTheMac yeah, are we talking about the same franchise here?

[@johnh2118]

I love all the imperfect complexities of the situations in this show. For example, if continuity of prior relationships were really a problem, then she should have never been allowed to be posted with Kerzon's best friend. But it makes for raw drama and DS9 never avoided messy entanglements! I LOVE IT!

[@BadWolf739]

It was specifically romantic relationships that they took issue with.

[@johnh2118]

@@BadWolf739 I absolutely agree. But did you notice that no one from the symbiosis authority came by to make sure she didn't 'hook up' with Benjamin?

[@michaelgreenwood3413]

@@johnh2118 She didn't hook up with him in a previous joining, so it'd be fine.

[@nednelson7529]

I started to whats DS9 on netflix and got to this episode yesterday. The thing that i like a lot is the relationship between sisko and dax. Its very amazing how dax used to mentor sisko in her past life and now in her next again. In this scene you really understand how deep their friendship is and how strong. It really makes me feel emotional to think how much they care for each other. I always think that dax must have been like a 2nd father to sisco

[@ianlee5035]

The best relationship in all of star trek

[@MartellJordan]

Avery Brooks brought, Benjamin Sisko to life, the grav·i·tas he carried made the character very real in subtle ways.

[@quintonthevillain2745]

Fuck, i`m getting teary eyed over here.

[@jackwoods9604]

Just another scene of MANY similar to this that made DS9 so great and stand out among all other Star Trek series

[@ANProductionsOfficialChannel]

Sisko is amazing.

[@SuperLuminalElf]

Tears of awe, love and respect ...

[@doointhedoo]

Sisko was the best captain out of ALL of them in the Franchise since its inception.

[@johnlavery3433]

Mix Picard's morality, with Kirk and Riker's charm, then add in Lorca's Tactical ability and janeway's ruthlessness, then you seal every part of Archer in a airtight container and jettison it out of the airlock, then blast it with a quantum torpedo. That is how you get the Sisko

[@TheCrazyOgre]

Because Picard would totally bomb a planet..... Sisko does not have Picard level morality lol.

[@johnlavery3433]

That was an acception to the rule. Plus it was an eye for an eye scenario, the Maquis had literally used the same tactic a few days earlier

[@johnbelt5204]

Picard, Archer, Janeway, even Kirk, they were all great but Sisko was the top of the heap.

[@MetalHeadRed954]

Facts!!

[@kuribo1]

Sisko was/is a good guy, good captain. Picard is/was better in most respects but I would be happy to serve under Sisko as well.

[@Snipergod1024]

I must be honest, I struggle to see why. This is not me deriding your thoughts, just I do not understand them. Sisko always came across as more... warm, than Picard. But also just as willing to make the hard decisions. Picard always seemed very aloof, and distant. While Picard clearly cared, he just seemed too... arrogant, I suppose, to really be someone I could say is a good guy and a good captain. I don't say that Picard is not a good man or a good captain, he most certainly is. I just think that Benjamin Sisko is a better leader in his personal style, and a more warm and relatable man. Please, feel free to respond, I'd love to see what you appreciate about Picard that gives you your point of view.

[@johnstamos4186]

Picard is so much less human than Sisko...Sisko makes mistakes and learns from them. Picard is a paragon of virtue... not really realistic. Even men like MLK Jr. made mistakes

[@Burahn]

Sisko said: That’s the homie…twice over.

[@hawkstringfellow]

The respect,passion, friendship

[@critter42]

Nowadays when she says "...I've never had a friend like you", I start imagining Avery Brooks playing the Genie on Broadway ;)

[@Tigerman1138]

Always had the most balls as a ST.

[@robertjackson3552]

the fact that the are both female and is not a problem is amazing

[@TheWinterShadow]

DS9 was the Star Trek series that hit the tough questions.

[@MetalHeadRed954]

My favorite captain of all time!!

[@hawkstringfellow]

This is how star trek is written when it comes to social issues dax going to pursue a same sex relationship, the human sisko comforts his friend but the same sex relationship is reflected in an alien society, which say no reassiocation. The problems of the present real life reflected by the aliens and lefted upto the audience to decide and think about was it right or wrong

[@camaradiop3731]

"Justification" of sexual confusion through subterfuge.

[@asahearts1]

You aint never had a friend like me. ~Genie from Alladin

[@fredthanimal]

Star trek DS9. Absolutely wonderful. Well acted, well scripted. What a great scene

[@TheWinterShadow]

A powerful Star Trek Universe moment.

[@hawkstringfellow]

I want a friend who looks at me like sisko looks at dax

[@GilenoRanna]

This is Star Trek at its core.

[@TheWinterShadow]

Facts

[@samsticka]

I half-expected Sisko to call Dax Old Man in this scene.

[@camaradiop3731]

It's a play on the relationship A Man Called Hawk had with his mentor/friend, who was known on the series as Old Man.

[@TheWinterShadow]

At 00:16,That WTF look is definitely meme worthy.

[@gabrielash75]

The chemistry between Avery Brooks and Terry Farrell is amazing and really helped sell the premise that Jadzia and he were friends in a previous life. I absolutely love this episode.

[@Saddler1944]

I hate to be "that" guy but you ever think Sisko told Jadzia he banged her mirror universe self. Part of me thinks he did and both had a good laugh about it.

[@samcochran8203]

Wait, what, when was this?

[@Saddler1944]

@@samcochran8203 Season 3 episode 19 Through the Looking Glass. It's not shown because its Star Trek. It's heavily implied due to Mirror universe Sisko being involved with Mirror Jadzia. Our Sisko had to keep up appearances.

[@jessejohnson159]

So much excellent writing in all the "Star Trek" TV shows!

[@BlackDiamond2718]

Watched this show AFTER stargate so i love that they had the symbiotic race as well. She reminds me of the tok’ra.

[@tek512]

"You came here for advice from a friend, and that is exactly what you are getting." Tl;dr: "Sit the fuck down, shut up, and listen to what I tell you."

[@beerasaurus]

You're right I need to Bajor.

[@kyralynn]

2:43 to the end literally saved my bi life back when I saw the original airing. I love Avery Brooks and Terry Farrell.

[@SirCraigius]

Its funny how they seemed to forget all about this Trill taboo when Ezri got introduced and she spent so much time sniffing around Worf. Getting romantic with her last hosts husband? That's a no no!

[@viix3815]

But then she hooks up with the Doctor.

[@BadWolf739]

They did actually bring up the taboo several times with reference to Ezri being into Warf.

[@michaelgreenwood3413]

@@BadWolf739 That, and Ezri was never meant to be a Host, so there's extenuating circumstances.

[@TheWinterShadow]

We all should take a Sisko's Friendship class for self-development.

[@RurouniKalainGaming]

One of the best damn moments of the show.

[@hmrhuang]

one of the best episodes in Star Trek history. those who were crying about a "lesbian" kiss between Jadzia Dax and Lenora Khan didn't understand the sci-fi aspects of Trill biology. i bet they were the same ***holes who complained about Odo and Lass linking in S7 (Chimera), rme!

[@russell5078084]

Would that everyone had a friend like that. The world would without a doubt be a better place.

[@jaken5612]

that is what u call a friend

[@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701]

Damn.. I love DS9

[@darthirae8270]

I can never forgive them for killing her.

[@skanthavelu]

Right! In stead of killing Jadzia off and replacing her with Ezri, they could have simply said, "Farrell quit her role and De Boer will play Jadzia for the rest of Deep Space 9's run." The story of Deep Space 9 Season 7 was just weird. Jadzia was in Sutovoqor, but yet alive as Ezri. Season 6 could have ended with Jadzia and Worf leaving DS9 and moving to Qo'noS. That would have been far better than Jadzia getting killed off.

[@pwnmeisterage]

Jadzia hangs out all the time with Sisko. Best friends in a previous life, drinking partners, war buddies, steadfast companions through decades of good and bad - Curzon actually spent more time with Sisko over his lifetime than Torias ever spent with his wife. Why is this not also a forbidden "re-association"?

[@StarWarsomania]

If I understand correctly, it's only symbionts that can't re-associate. So because Sisko is human, it doesn't matter. Because otherwise yeah... And it becomes even more crazy in Season 7 with Ezri - unlike Jadzia "re-associating" with just one friend Curzon hadn't seen in years, Ezri "re-associates" with _all_ of her DS9 friends, she also has a (purely platonic) relationship with Jadzia's husband Worf (and I kind of think Worf got a raw deal with that).

[@michaelgreenwood3413]

@@StarWarsomania iirc, re-association is more "no re-kindling romantic relationships."

[@collinsdarkwa281]

Sisko Backs Dax Completely

[@oobenoob]

Sisko slid his sausage into her during that hug.

[@Hibbs4Prez]

You are creepy.

[@TheDrexxus]

Sure, it might cut Dax's life expectancy, but look at it like this: Would Captain Sisko give up 40 years of his life if he could just spend another 5 with his own wife? I think he would. Some things are worth dying for. Happiness and quality of life are more important than the duration of it.

[@ironfist7789]

But would he do it if it meant shortening Jake's life also? (if Jake was Dax)

[@Archie2c]

Startrek at it's best give you a scenario show both sides and let you decide i was able to see that love transcends.

[@martijnvanweele6204]

And then there was Odan.

[@seanbumstead1250]

But sisko rejects everything he just said when it comes to ezri dax

[@Hibbs4Prez]

How? It was Ezri who made the choice to reassociate with him and the DS9 crew.

[@MattJohno2]

Thing is, Dax would probably still not die. Having a symbiont is often a privelidge. I'd imagine that they could find someone on the ferengi black market that would love to host a symbiont, Only thing is, it might make them crazy.

[@ematuskey]

Sisko really enjoyed Jadzia's hugs--Kurzon's always went on a little /too/ long. :D

[@birkinsmith88]

Love is a selfish bastard when it wants to be...

[@Hartwig870]

Wasn't there an episode that mentioned that like 50% of the Trill population host a symbiont without issue. I'm sure you'd have no problem finding Trill willing to take the Dax symbiont, even if its sorta under the table.

[@novat9731]

That is true. The selection process is a hoax to deter criminals and people with other malicious intent from even attempting to join with a Trill. Basically, the universe is being led to believe that only the Trill have the necessary medical competence to join a Trill with a host, or even check if a Trill would be compatible. In reality however, the procedure is somewhat advanced though not out of scope for a skilled federation doctor and about half the Trill population can merge with a host as you say. I don't believe most Trill even knows this.

[@PrissAssigiri]

yeah its a big secrate, not sure if dax knows at this point in the siries iether.

[@oldtwinsna8347]

Isn't Trill a Federation world? If so, wouldn't this violate the fundamental principles of equality that every member world must meet? Why isn't the Federation cracking down on this. Might be interesting to see a Trill civil war against the Federation.

[@PrissAssigiri]

I think you confusing equality with equity. anyone was able to apply to host a symbiote. it was kept secret about how many could host it. however, there was a testing process and it was decided fairly (i assume) who would be a host. the only thing they did was lie about the % of compatibility. like how IRL diamonds are artificially expensive.

[@vguyver2]

The federation wasn't aware of this lie. It was a secret in their homeworld. The implication being that people will murder others over trill symbiotes, and trade them about like Rhino horns until extinction.

[@AvatarRiku]

Given Doctor Who crossover comics exist it’d be interesting to see an exiled trill joined to a renegade Timelord. I think regenerations are flexible enough to allow for compatibility; Romana 2 chose her form and looked at several alien forms if I’m not mistaken.

[@skynetprime82]

Living life without being able to be with the person you want to be with is no life at all in my opinion

[@6364LEGACY]

That is what a friendship looks like. Not having your face buried on your phone and texting on social media. Face to face and respectful.

[@hardwirecars]

i would give up everything for the girl i loved that was taken to soon from this world. damn the exile damn the consequences and damn the torpedoes full steam ahead and third star to the right and on till morning!

[@Duricas]

Is the Symbiont considered a Federation citizen?

[@Trund27]

Duricas good question! Probably yes.

[@Mekratrig]

A verra fine sentiment indeed, the Sisko expresses. But what if she proceeds? Dose "back you all the way" include hosting the Kurzon symbiont himsel, since it would be unable to transfer to anothar Trill? Would that evan be possible?

[@jerodast]

No.

[@philiphunn194]

Riker was able to host a Trill symbiont very briefly in TNG, but they hadn't introduced the taboo of "reassociation" yet so the symbiont-in-Riker's-body rekindled its romance with Dr Crusher (but then she got cold feet when the symbiont went into a female host. She'll shag a ghost, but having sex with a woman is apparently a step too far for her).

[@sargon0141]

@@philiphunn194 I think reassociation taboo is only against marriages. They can continue friendships and sexual flings, but they cannot marry again.

[@dkoz8321]

That's disgusting. One species exploiting another just to survive. Not really commensualism. Not exactly parasitism either. But not symbiotic either. Trill are closer to Borg then people like to think. Unlike Borg, Trillian symbionts don't force other sentient beings to be hosts. Like Borg, the host looses individuality. Like Borg that individuality servives as consciousness and memories, after host's death. To be individual is to be mortal. To subsume one's consciousness for benefit of a symbiont does push symbiosis towards parasitic end of spectrum. If I was Trill humanoid I would refuse symbiosis. Even in an emergency to save a life of a symbiont, I would decline.

[@brofenix]

Wow~~

[@cld244]

which episode was this from?

[@Trund27]

cld “Rejoined”

[@Danieldetarb]

Hello. What is this episode ?

[@statykelektricity9591]

Rejoined! Great episode.

[@Danieldetarb]

@@statykelektricity9591 thank you very much

[@lucas70767]

A thousand years later: *Kahn* : You waited! *Dax* : Of course!

[@jerodast]

1:44 - Hm, what's that big gold shiny thing behind Sisko? (if you answer this correctly you get a big smile)

[@andrewshouse9840]

The Saltaran clock?

[@OG_Jin_Bling]

The Trill are probably my least favorite Star Trek species.

[@ibluedesolation]

They're my most favourite. I love the concept of them and their lore.

[@oS2006DE]

watching this episode as a bigoted antigay right-winger when I first saw it, this scene gave me so much shit to try to figure out. a friend in sisco's position "shouldnt" back a defiantly aberrant act... but humanitys laws are deeper than those of any power group, and Discovery is continuing that tale, about the trill taboos specifically, no less!

[@raphaelrae8186]

If it was simply the reminence of Curson's love, how come Jadzia is in love herself?

[@IndomitableT]

Raphael Rae. Actually, Nilani Khan and Torias Dax were married in a previous life and loved each other deeply. Love and all the feelings accompanying love can be so overwhelming, and if you remember or see and hear some of their conversations as their present selves, Lenara and Jadzia, they both experienced quite some difficulty with sorting out their own feelings from their previous hosts.🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🖖🏼

[@raphaelrae8186]

And the love contained in the symbiant was felt by Jadzia along with the other memories.

[@fluffycommander]

How are the Trill still members of the Federation with rules that lead to the death of a symbiote?

[@k1productions87]

Nobody is killing the Symbiont. As far as the Federation is concerned, it is just like any other member of the Federation dying of old age, or dying in an accident. The Federation has no jurisdiction in this regard

[@fluffycommander]

K1productions but it could be seen as abuse through neglect.

[@k1productions87]

No more than letting a person die of old age. Its just part of the natural life cycle. Technically a person's organs (if in good condition at the time of death) could be used for others' benefit. So, should the Federation refuse membership to worlds that refuse to harvest every dead body for parts?

[@fluffycommander]

K1productions but in my mind it is a preventable death.

[@k1productions87]

In your mind, but not according to the rules of the Federation. it would open up a Pandora's Box, where if the Federation forces Trill to save all symbionts, then they subsequently force all other member worlds to harvest organs, deny abortions, force continued life upon those who are completely paralyzed and have no hope of LIVING ever again, and so forth. There is a measure of personal freedoms that must always be considered, and the Federation has never been one to deny such things.

[@AZURNERUB]

Couldn't they like establish a dissident trill society of silly tabu breakers somewhere in exile. There shouldn't have been a lack of new host volunteers, since symbionts are supposed to be highly sought after in their society. Or do all trill religiously follow those arbitrarily set rules?

[@laurahappel7786]

Isn’t Dax’s friendship with Ben a reassociation

[@VersusARCH]

Or Worf?

[@Ridgwaycer]

No. It's strictly romantic relationships between two joined trills.

[@PyrokineticFire1]

with Sisko, the dynamic is different than it was. the relationship grew/evolved instead of stagnating. it's an acceptable learning experience for the symbiote. but like someone else said, i think it's the reassociation with other symbiotes that's the real issue.

[@Turboy65]

The trill just need to wipe out all the symbionts. Solves many problems, chief of which is the unspoken notion that the trill are just vehicles for the symbionts to drive at their whim.

[@StarWarsomania]

Genocide solves all problems. Got it. Brilliant. Let me know when the bloodbath starts.

[@PlayNiceFolks]

Wow. Ds9 is so woke

[@mattjones6578]

Dude this was on long before before that was a thingby that logic u can say buffy was woke

[@Skyebright1]

Matt Jones joss Whedon is woke

[@PlayNiceFolks]

Being woke is good. Most people who use it as an insult have nothing of value to add to the discussion.

[@RobeonMew]

Because Sisko is a simp for Dax. He'll agree with anything Dax says.

[@RobeonMew]

YO DAX How's about marry Benjamin instead? Maybe he won't be such a war monger anymore.

[@darthplagueis4626]

Nah. Sisko is as good a captain as any and doesn’t allow his friendship with someone centuries older than him to unduly influence him or weaken his role as commander of DS9. He called out Dax several times when it was required and vice versa. They model an excellent friendship. It has nothing to do with simping.

[@Hibbs4Prez]

How about you stop giving your own post a thumbs up? Obviously no one else would like such an idiotic comment.

[@davidhenderson3400]

I never really understood the whole symbiont thing.

[@traemaxwell]

So the symbiont joins with a Humanoid Trill(Host) and they link as 2 minds to make a Joined Trill. The symbiont and the host share knowledge and experience with each other. When the Humanoid Trill(Host) dies the Symbiont is then quickly ushered to another host who then take on both the knowledge and experience(Memories) of both the symbiont and the former host. So Dax is a symbiont that has had 9 hosts. That means the Dax symbiont has 9 lifetimes of knowledge and experience(Memories). Its like 9 people in one being.

[@PyrokineticFire1]

@@traemaxwell how much of the hosts' memories & experience are inside the symbiote? could Ezri remember a childhood story from jadzia's pre-joined life? seems rational that only thoughts & memories formed with the symbiote would be saved in it's memory. although, there might be memories of remembering, but they'd be tinted by nostalgia. ezri: i remember torias dax once thought about how great his childhood was (in actuality, he had a terrible childhood, he just remembered it fondly)

[@traemaxwell]

@@PyrokineticFire1 Yep! A symbiote when it is joined to a humanoid trill will gain all of the memories of that host. So with Ezri, the Dax symbiote has been joined 9 times and in those 9 times it has accumulated 9 lifetimes worth of memory. If you watch Ezri from the first episode she was in you'll see the reason why it can be a little jarring I have 9 lifetimes of memories and you're not really sure whether they're yours or not. LOL

[@johnballard5547]

🙂👍🏽🖖🏽📽

[@TazarZero]

This is what supporting the gay life style should be like, no more, no less. Support the choices of our friends. None of the BS that comes with shoving a rainbow flag down our throats!

[@CoolsBreeze]

So why wasn't Ezri exiled then I mean she did sleep with Worf.

[@xaviervega468]

Far as I know, they kept that to themselves. Plus it was a one-time thing, they didn't try to rekindle their relationship.

[@nicholasbenge2596]

I'm sure they would make an exception for extreme or unusual circumstances. They also agreed never to speak of it again.

[@BeingABear]

They didn't get caught.

[@daviddrake5991]

First off it was a one time deal. Secondly this is about the Dax(the symbiont) wanting to be with the other the symbiont and not the person that it is in.

[@LocksAndChains]

I think it's just a symbiont thing.