You switched sides--seemed like a good idea at the time.

[@justincobb5853]

"what about Alexander?" Worf: "Haven't paid any attention to him for the last ten years, why start now?"

[@infinightsky]

Lol so true. He was such a dead beat father!

[@Kinzokugia]

"He's much happier on earth with my parents" I dunno bout that one chief

[@chrisryan1445]

@@infinightsky Not sure if he supported him financially or not.

[@chrisryan1445]

@mrtawm Perhaps not, that may ironically be a disadvantage of living in the Federation. If it was necessary to support Alexander financially, he would have had to live with him or least make sure whoever was looking after him was spending the money frugally

[@jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj178]

Agreed! World's shittiest father. "honour" my ass.

[@PaulGaither]

"All he ever drinks is prune juice." -A warrior's drink!

[@paulbryan2611]

At least it keeps him regular.

[@jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj178]

Silly. I own a bar. Juice is the most profitable item we sell!

[@thehantavirus]

@@paulbryan2611 for a soldier, its actually not a good idea to be constantly taking a dump. thats why MRE were designed to do the opposite of prune juice.

[@SenileOtaku]

Any proper Klingon would squeeze the juice with his bare hands, and then chew on the pits.

[@mistermonologue2442]

@@thehantavirus Okay, since you put it like that I have to ask if you've ever eaten an MRE on the regular. Because I have. And half of them had me blowing to the dirt god (brother of the porcelain god). Especially that spicy nonsense and the bean pouches.

[@Poop-nu1so]

So glad Worf came back for DS9 he seemed right at home.

[@BoomerG21]

Yeah DS9 was more gritty than TNG and gritty seems like a better fit for his personality.

[@JohnnyZenith]

It was a great choice. There were many great choices on DS9.

[@Poop-nu1so]

@@BoomerG21 Agreed. I loved him on TNG, but I didn't realize he wasn't being utilized to his full potential, until I watched him serve on DS9.

[@andrewlocke3389]

@Reee Monro ....and Klingons love war. ;-)

[@andrewlocke3389]

It was a beautiful opportunity for Worf to have some solid character development.

[@WeyounSix]

Worf's self doubt was always a key part of why he was such a good officer. He always wanted to do the best thing even when he didn't know what to do. Sisko bringing out self confidence in Worf was a fantastic thing to see

[@Wraithfighter]

Aye. It’s also interesting when you see his conversation with Worf about refusing the resignation. Sisko openly states that he’s not sure what’s wise, that he doesn’t have some grand plan, but that he needs every good officer he can get right now, and Worf is one. I kinda feel like Picard, in that situation, would give a bit of a speech about it, trying to inspire Worf into being proud of the uniform, trying to talk him out of it instead of just saying “No, you’re too useful right now”. And this isn’t a slam against either captain. They just have different styles. Picard wants to inspire from on high, with poise, presence and authority. Sisko gets down in the dirt with his subordinates, not having as much pretense about grand plans or moral stands, but treating them like equals that he happens to be in charge of. Sisko turned Worf into a great leader. But he needed a great officer to do that, and that’s what Picard turned Worf into.

[@theylivewesleep.5139]

I like when he condemned his family and the millions of others under his house because he felt bad about giving up his replicated jumpsuit.

[@stefschouwenaars9562]

Worf: "What use do I have now?" 30 seconds later: "gives useful info on klingon culture"

[@josephmanno4514]

@@theylivewesleep.5139 Because, of course, Klingons should have a culture based entirely on honor, but then eschew honor the instant it becomes difficult to uphold it. Blaming Worf for doing the right thing is asinine and myopic. Blame Gowron for being a political pig.

[@theylivewesleep.5139]

@@josephmanno4514 worf was on his way out. He didn’t owe starfleet anything. He certainly owed his own house a great deal more. There’s a concept thrown around in this franchise. “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few”. What he did wasn’t the right thing. It was the thing that conformed to Worf’s sheltered morality. The hard, but moral, choice would’ve been to take the hit to his pride and spare the estate-that he already neglects-from being terminated. His brother worked to sustain the house of Mogh while worf was off playing space cadets and acting as the enterprise’s hall monitor. Because worf feels safer on the moral high ground, he decides to keep his costume and let his brother and all of the others under his house rot.

[@michaelshea5382]

One of the things I love about this scene is that it really shows off Marc Alaimo's ability to make Dukat sound like Garak - they share speech patterns, vocabulary, etc. It makes it feel as though Cardassians share a common culture. I think Alaimo and Robinson pulled this off really well - they allowed Dukat and Garak to be very much their own characters, but also gave them a common template to draw from so viewers never forgot they were of the same race.

[@Andrew12217]

It's the obsequious attitude, like an agressive customer serving f*** U smile. If cardassians are as backstabbing are we are told it's the perfect cover your ass attitude. And in very good teathrical fashion, when they slip out of it is our cue as audience that are being more (although never totally) honest.

[@UNSF]

Like tilting their heads at an angle when making a speech? lol

[@calrob300]

​@@UNSFno that's the Indians...Fluffy

[@Bobaklives]

Come to Quark's, Quark's is fun, come right now, don't walk run

[@Jacob-qr8pl]

I love the part where his name rotates around.

[@SinisterRL]

Hah in the defiant’s replicator

[@gerardfogarty1463]

Jacob Halifax Would love that as a screensaver or ring tone!

[@Cleric775]

Kira Nerys would like to have a "word" with Quark.

[@Tylerpierre99]

Kira: "if all this isn't gone by the time I get back from the Gamma Quadrant. I will come to Quark's, and believe me, I WILL have fun!"

[@TonkarzOfSolSystem]

"Is something wrong Mr. Worf?" "Yeah the computers around here are beeping like crazy"

[@gobblox38]

"Sir, the crew of this ship has weird user settings that are annoying and ... distracting. It may take me some time to adjust."

[@IceWolfLoki]

"I'm just a guest star and this console seems like it could explode pretty good, is there a reason our low power computer interfaces have to sit right on top of high power plasma conduits"

[@rosePetrichor]

Dukat was fascinating because he was intensely proud but also intensely needy; he wanted to be adored by the people he was oppressing, and he opens up to Sisko and Kira a LOT. He admitted he switched sides and that it wasn't as good an idea as he thought it was. Who would admit that to an enemy?

[@philiphunn194]

He was also extremely keen for Kira to love him, which was creepy to begin with but got even worse when you learn that he had an affair with her mum.

[@tomwhone9804]

I noticed some of that too. I tend to chalk it up to Cardassians being charismatically disingenuous and calculating. I came to my conclusions after a number of Bashir and Garek interactions. For example, Bashir told Garak the story of the boy who cried wolf. Garak, after criticizing humans for telling this story to their children at night, noted that the story teaches to never tell the same lie more than once.

[@SimonFoston]

Dukat was ever more interesting when you never quite knew how he would turn out - he wasn't the outright villain until quite late on in the series.

[@JDSileo]

Sisko isn't his enemy from the moment the war with the Federation (pre TNG) ended until Cardasia joined the Dominion and declared war on the federation.

[@BN13-h9c]

I know the term "narcissist" is over used, but after studying psychology I think Dukat actually is a narcissist. That explains not only his need to be at the top of the hierarchy, but more importantly, his need for all others "beneath him" to adore him and reiterate that he deserves that high pedestal. Like for people "beneath him" like the Bajorans to give him ultimate validation of all of his actions during the occupation, either straight up, or by being in a love affair with him. That's why he tells Weyoun that "true victory is making your enemy realize that they were wrong to oppose you in the first place." That's definitely narcissist thinking. And I think Garak can see his narcissism. He frequently calls Dukat out on it, especially when he's doing things like making passes at Kira, and he's disgusted by his narcissism. I think that's part of why those two hate each other.

[@jeffrey3425]

I love the brief moments when Dukat lets the mask slip, drops all the pretense about Cardassia and patriotism and good intentions and lets you know he's just a cynical, self-interested sociopath.

[@ananousous]

Dukat did nothing wrong

[@_Muzolf]

Cynical and self interested? Sure. Sociopath? No, a sociopath would have never broken like he did when his daughter died, and all pretenses aside, he did care for Cardassia. He continued waging a war his government did not want, despite hurting his own career in the process. He was an opportunist for sure, but if there was one thing he loved besides himself and his daughter, it was his home.

[@briankirkwood4454]

A typical politician...only competent.

[@FFKonoko]

@@ananousous he did evil efficiently

[@Locutus]

Dukat was not a politician, he was a military dictator.

[@joshuadesautels]

"I have never been on a Federation starship that had a (permanent) cloaking device."

[@Paul-jy8cv]

@Cliven Longsight actually it was both

[@greenhillburma]

Yes. Only Riker and old Admiral Pressman had been on board one if I remember correctly.

[@masterluke1986]

Yeah well Scotty didn't remember that Kirk was dead before he beamed himself into stasis. Oh well. If it were Star Wars, I'd be much more concerned for continuity.

[@richardcrooks6713]

@@vodyanifox6704 but in The Pegasus the reason why Picard decloaked in front of the Romulan ship was to expose to everyone, both Federation and Romulan what Pressman had been doing, so I don't think it was secret.

[@AndrewChapman]

Perhaps Worf's memory isn't that great.

[@TarkinBaroth]

4:27 Sisko : “And lay off the coffee, ensign. You’re eyes are freaking me out!”

[@meatybtz]

That's because she is really Lyta Alexander, a psyker modified by the Vorlons. Apparently she can transcend universes as well.

[@mikejohnson3387]

I was going to say the Vorlons loaned Lyta to Starfleet for the Weekend

[@jamesfry8983]

@@mikejohnson3387 if that happened im not sure what the galaxy would look like when the Volons got here back, it wouldn't surprise if she did a Jason Ironheart and become pure energy and went to live with the wormhole aliens

[@brainstewX]

Your

[@kevinphoenix2007]

I always thought she was unusually spunky in that dialogue delivery. Should've known at the time she would be the "exploding console" sacrifice.

[@GermanLeftist]

I just wanted to note how much I loved the way they developed the friendship between Worf and O'Brien on this show. That the two were friends was sometimes hinted at on TNG but they really became friends on DS9, albeit not even remotely as close as O'Brien and Bashir.

[@logosofgame4273]

Worf had someone else who occupied much of his off hours.

[@girlgarde]

While they were friends, they had their arguments like during the episode where Quark's employees went on strike and where they, Dax and Sisko were trapped on a wrecked Dominion ship and they argued over what to do about a dying comrade.

[@keithtorgersen9664]

@Mario Quade, I think in TNG, it was more of an unspoken bond between them, especially since Worf helped Keiko deliver Molly.

[@theriveracis5172]

"And what about your son?" "My what? Oh, yeah... I had one of those..."

[@igg3937]

The way that Dukat says "Seemed like a good idea at the time" 🤣

[@raven4k998]

what do I care all he drinks is prune juice!!!!🤣🤣

[@Riprake]

I think what I liked best about that line is how his tone is a mixture of "...and so far I'm not seeing any proof it wasn't" and "Screw you, Sisko; I'll bet you would've done the same thing!"

[@fjccommish]

Sisko: "Set a course. Maximum warp." Worf (Jumps to his feet): "I will kill you where you stand!" Sisko: "I said maximum warp, not maximum Worf." Worf (sits down): "I apologize, sir."

[@HarvirParmar99]

lol

[@yojon4905]

He said calmly

[@alanmackie7012]

That was awful. I hate myself for chuckling.

[@printezstroman]

Bruh.

[@FerretJohn]

Boo, boo this man!

[@ThatElfNerd]

To those saying that there's a script mistake in Worf saying he's never been on a ship with a cloaking device, it's likely not a mistake. While the Enterprise used a Cloaking Device in The Pegasus, it was illegally obtained, and the crew likely had to sign an NDA so that word about that cloaking device would never leave the confines of Starfleet security.

[@lgmmrm]

Also we have to define “had” a cloaking device. If we just mean there was one installed sure the Enterprise had one temporarily but if we mean one that had such a device built into the ship as an integral system, then he hadn’t been on such a ship.

[@danieldickson8591]

The Enterprise was cloaked for all of a minute. Arguably doesn't count compared to an extended voyage on the Defiant.

[@Mark73]

If he was bound to an NDA, I doubt he would have said anything.

[@robinstewart6510]

I also don't think that few minutes with the cloaking device on the Enterprise equals flying around in space for hours with the one on the Defiant. At least 95% of what he was experiencing on the Defiant with it's cloaking device was new to him.

[@purplefood1]

@@robinstewart6510 also they really only used the phasing part of it rather than the cloak, if they had been visible the whole time it wouldn't have made a difference ultimately, aside from making it not a massive treaty breach.

[@SteveDorsett]

Worf: "It's just, I have never been aboard a Federation starship with a cloaking device" Everybody screaming at their TV: "Pegasus"

[@infinightsky]

It helps calling it a phasing device

[@ScorpiusZA.]

I would call it a legal cloaking device. Pegasus was more of a special circumstance, and the phasing does help distinguish it too.

[@luvmenow33]

I would also think that other than the treaty of algeron being broken ,the phasing aspect of the device would be way more important Phasing is a new technology as opossed to cloaking which has been around for over 100 years now. Btw , why didn't they ever do anymore with that? A phasing device would be legal and I would think would be a helpful edge to have.

[@cloud09gaming]

@@luvmenow33 Because even if different it would still cloak/hide the ship and that itself violates the treaty.

[@baronvonfaust]

Is it possible Worf was experiencing a rare moment of the misdirection like "OH WOW A CLOAKING DEVICE, THIS DEFINITELY HASN'T HAPPENED TO ME BEFORE, HAHA A FEDERATION SHIP WITH A CLOAKING DEVICE HOW SILLY RIGHT GUYS" while his mind plays images of Section 31 officers cracking their knuckles and staring (this is a joke of course, everyone knows there's no such thing as Section 31)

[@animeguardianxx]

There’s a certain parallel between Sisko and Worf. Both started this series wanting/needing to be out of the uniform, but wound up staying

[@SantomPh]

and promoted, no less.

[@inwyrdn3691]

Sisko: "Forget the speech, Dukat..." Dukat: "You do understand, and grasp the importance of monologue and soliloquy in Cardassian culture, and to stymie a good speech well-spoken is..." Sisko: "All right, we're going home. Let the Klingons have 'em."

[@OGTabo0]

I'm going to try and put this to bed so bare with me. The writers didn't screw up, Worf lied. The Enterprise used a cloaking device to pass through solid rock after the same device malfunctioned and killed the USS Pegasus' crew. Along with the rest of the Enterprise, Worf was sworn to secrecy regarding the project, so when Sisco asks him "is everything alright" his immediate response was "yes." Knowing Sisco won't buy this, he contradicts himself before Sisko has the chance and tries to cover his unease with a false truth. I think a previous comment said it best. "I've never been on a federation ship with a (safe) cloaking device."

[@OptimusWombat]

You forgot about the Interphasic Cloak developed by Dr. Crusher's Ferengi scientist friend. The Enterprise-D deployed it when they were trying to escape the Borg in the episode "Descent".

[@javiercontreras2562]

@@OptimusWombat That wasn't a cloak. It was a shield that could withstand the heat of the sun and that's how they hid from the Borg because they couldn't be pursued into the sun without being destroyed.

[@jonpark973]

He means a cloak like the romulians and the Klingons, the federation phase cloak was classified and technically doesn’t exist so he didn’t lie just omitted the truth cuz the phased cloak took them out of phase with there reality not cloaked them from sensors in the regular way

[@theindooroutdoorsman]

The Pegasus had the cloak, the Enterprise used it once and destroyed it. The Enterprise never had a cloak. Just like the original Enterprise took the cloak from another ship and used it *once.*

[@mavoc3094]

The Pegasus didn't have a cloak, it had a phasing unit. The entire project was designed to side step the no cloaking rule of the Treaty of Algeron by making a device that wasn't a cloak that could perform the same function as a cloak. Picard knew that Pressman was being a "Rules Lawyer" and trying to work a "Rules as Written" angle that wouldn't fly with the Romulans which would complain that it violated the "Rules as Intended". This being said, in the most technical sense, Worf was correct when he said he hadn't been on a Federation ship with a cloak.

[@Haze1434]

Loving the Prune Juice reference... truly, this is the drink of a warrior!

[@ShojoBakunyu]

I've always loved prunes and prune juice. I keep "dried plums" in the house at all times for snacking. They're delicious.

[@still_guns]

4:27 Captain Sisko! Intruder on the Bridge! A Telepath from a rival series!

[@tachyontee3877]

Gonna need John Sheridan there with a PPG to stop her. After all, she has been touched by the Vorlons.

[@vorlonempire6954]

You do not understand

[@lindaanderson5657]

@@vorlonempire6954 Understanding is a three edged sword.....😁💜

[@ChrisPaddlefoot]

She has always been there...

[@emperorlondomollari5511]

Vorlons...bah! Now we Centari do not need to hide in those ridiculous suits. Centari know fashion.

[@girlgarde]

I know that Dukat was meant to be portrayed as slimy for switching sides during the coup on Cardassia but in my opinion, it was justified since Central Command threw him under the bus during the debut of the Maquis and blamed him for having weapons sent to Cardassian colonists in the DMZ since they unfairly blamed him for the failure of the Occupation of Bajor. Therefore, he had no reason to remain loyal to those who stabbed him in the back so he simply returned the favour plus he wanted to live both out of a sense of self preservation and to continue serving Cardassia.

[@ndalum75]

Agreed. Dukat privately believed the civilian government was a bad idea, and was burned for supporting a movement he didn't believe in. And Dukat's beliefs were proven right, when the civilian government all but capitulated to the Klingons, leaving the Cardassian Empire a withered husk. Dukat only fucked up when he allied with the Dominion in a desperate gamble. It should have been clear to any Cardassian, Dukat included, that an alliance with the Dominion meant slow annexation by the Dominion. Dukat was simply too high on his own pride, wanting to be the savior that would restore Cardassia.

[@ndalum75]

@Thelondonbadger What good does being on the winning side do you, when your "allies" occupy your planet and become your security forces? When your proud people are reduced not to being a secondary power, but a servile race? I don't think for a second Dukat would be happy with that, nor would any self-respecting Cardassian. Dukat was simply too proud to see it, and the worst aspects of the alliance didn't appear until after Dukat disappeared.

[@ndalum75]

@Thelondonbadger You can make the argument that it's better to live a slave then die free. But no Cardassian signed onto the alliance with that understanding. And no Cardassian would have accepted that line of reasoning either. The Cardassians aren't liberal utilitarians like the Federation. They believe in the glory of Cardassia as an empire, and are willing to fight for their empire. The well being of Cardassia is what's most important to them. Any humanitarian concerns about odds or numbers of people lost would be irrelevant to them, what matters is the continued existence and prosperity of Cardassia. For them, that's the only reason to sign that treaty. If they realized the Dominion had no intention of keeping that end of the bargain, no Cardassian, not Dukat or anyone, would have accepted that treaty.

[@DrForrester87]

I see some of you confusing the Dominion's relationship with Cardassia in the later stages of the War with what it was in the beginning. Dukat oversaw the inclusion of Cardassia into the Dominion. They had Dominion security because they were part of Dominion. They were not a servile puppet state, they were part of the fold. It was only after the loss of DS9 and their fleet in the wormhole that the relationship began to change. And as the war dragged on, the deficiency of the Cardassian military became more apparent and necessitated more direct Dominion control and the addition of other ally states like the Breen. And it's clear that the Founders were not impressed with Dukat's successors in terms of their abilities to achieve victories. The Cardassians were becoming more of a liability than a contributing member of the Dominion. Had the Prophets not interfered and that Dominion fleet been able to come through the wormhole, Cardassia would not have been put in a position where its weakness were so dramatically exposed and the Founders would not have seen the need to keep moving them further and further down the ladder of importance.

[@toomanyaccounts]

@@DrForrester87 also the plan of Dukat was to overthrow the founders and take command. he was planning long term. He states as much to Damar at one point. Later on Damar rebels because the founders let an entire force of Cardassain walking wounded troops get slaughtered by the klingons instead of sending a relief force to try to save the troops.

[@joegrimes9232]

Why I love sisko. He is sure of himself, even when he's unsure. He tugs at his ear, that in poker with riker, he'd call that a tell. With sisko there is no tell. It maybe a trap maybe it's the bajoran pah. Sisko is the boss and we the audience know he's unsure about command but to the characters he's chief. I like him. To intimidate a klingon? Sisko was the right person for ds9 and the cardassians

[@babylon5reimaginedseries]

4:28 always good to have a telepath rated P5 on board your ship. Even if she does get "adjusted" by the Vorlons!

[@ericmcconnaughey2782]

Nice to see Lyta Alexander escaped the B5 universe after the telepath issues.

[@babylon5reimaginedseries]

@@ericmcconnaughey2782 Huh?

[@CoralCopperHead]

@@babylon5reimaginedseries What?

[@babylon5reimaginedseries]

@@CoralCopperHead watch Babylon 5.

[@FireLordJohn3191]

@@babylon5reimaginedseries the actress was on Deep Space Nine.

[@Krystalmyth]

Bless DS9 for having the writing chops to truly give these two characters justice. Could you imagine the Enterprise crew with these writers? Data on DS9? Nnnf. So good.

[@logosofgame4273]

I would pay my life savings to have the DS9 writing team for Discovery.

[@Spock4771]

Yes the tng writers were the ones that expanded klingons first also they wanted to do thing but couldn't because Roddenberry wouldn't let them ds9 came out after his death and I doubt he would have approved any of it

[@Noyjitat]

Why cant they make another trek series this damn good? Just watching this short clip makes me wanna watch the entire series.

[@billnotice9957]

Me too!

[@paradisebreeze1705]

Picard is good and very well written i hear

[@salilbhatnagar]

Strange New Worlds & Lower Decks

[@salilbhatnagar]

@@paulshaw2013 I am not. I find snw, prodigy , and LD to be enjoyable while I have issues with pic and dsc. If u don’t like any of them that’s alright! Watch what you like! I also watch the Orville and that’s a great show.

[@howardlanus8610]

"It seemed like a good idea at the time" How many people have uttered those words after it's too late?

[@Vesperitis]

Bungee jumpers, skydivers, people who decided to not wear masks and go to a crowded gathering in 2020...

[@leopolddienstknecht7931]

@@Vesperitis That took a surprising turn

[@Pygar2]

Spock's father...

[@Matt_from_Florida]

Office politics... more complicated than it seems!

[@spugintrntl]

*sheepishly raises hand*

[@ClanWiE]

That line about switching sides is such a good moment. It really hightlights the various parts of Dukat's personality; charisma, charm, self-interestedness.

[@swishfish8858]

"I don't understand. What further purpose could I serve here?" "I'm not sure yet. But as long as DS9's ratings keep dropping, Ira needs you here on the station." "If you think that is wise." "I don't know if it's *wise* or not, but I DO know that you're a fan-favorite character. And right now, I need every in with the fans I can get."

[@maiabravo5978]

"I'm not sure, but the producers say you are helping the ratings so we will find some use for you yet."

[@robjackson5245]

1:14 - proof that Sisko sees his crew like a family. He would never turn their backs on them no matter what Same as Picard, same as Janeway

[@chrismc410]

We all saw Kirk ultimately get his Flag rank cheeks busted and his promotion wig split at the end of The Voyage Home over what he did for his crew.

[@robjackson5245]

@@chrismc410 I don't give a fuck about that codeless asshole

[@LordSpleach]

They got a Vorlon Superweapon on board!

[@HouseJawn]

4:28 Just realized that the weapons officer is Patricia Tallman, Lyta Alexander from B5. Did some research and she's been an extra on other episodes of the Star Trek franchise. "But first, the 1975 native of Pontiac, Ill., and Carnegie-Mellon theatre arts graduate was seen uncreedited as the Ennis warriorNima on DS9’s “Battleground” and featured as Kiros the Arkarian terrorist in TNG’s “Starship Mine.” Tallman also was on camera in an uncredited role as Dr. Bashir’s Bajoran nurse Tagana in several episodes of DS9-much less dozens of stunt doubling for guest stars or extra work across TNG, DS9 and Voyager as well." Who knew?

[@danielcostanza4628]

Babylon 5 another great show you are correct Tim Russ was also playing as another character in the episode Starship Mine. Walter Koenig Mr Chekov himself also playing in an episode on Babylon Five called A Ship Of Tears as Alfred the Psi Ops Commander. With his wicked looking all slick Omega Fighter It was all black with a silver or metallic crest.

[@danielcostanza4628]

Andrew (Andreas) Katsulas that played Tomalak the Romulan Commander but he also played as the Ambassador G'Kar another Star Trek Babylon 5 reference

[@chriswigmore5610]

"I doubt the Klingons will fire on a Federation Ship!" *Laughs in STO*

[@geemooney2229]

This is so deep. Love the back and forth between the characters. Its so deep and subtle!

[@mxplixic]

In other words, the Klingons would do the same thing the Cardassians would do. Seems fair. :)

[@tachyontee3877]

Oh the irony in the fact that the Klingons were the ones with a Changling in a high governmental position.

[@Milamberinx]

That is not what the Cardassians would do. The Cardassians would psychologically torture their prisoners for months or years to extract any useful piece of information. To a Klingon that would not be honourable.

[@TheCorrodedMan]

He was a low down dirty bastard, but Dukat can be credited with a magnificent sense of timing: no matter how fucked things get, he always found a way to weasel his way out of it.

[@CoralCopperHead]

"You're a good officer, and right now I need every good officer I can find." **Sends our best Assault commanser with a -30HP injury into the final battle**

[@terrrell7798]

Worf - I have never been on a Federation ship that had a clocking device. Star Trek Next Generation Pegasus episode enters the chat.

[@s.31.l50]

Holy crap Quark made a Chang reference! This is the way quarks should be, the way it was meant to be.

[@andrewblanchard2398]

explain

[@stingray-j2597]

Do you mean in ST6 during the final battle when Chang taunts Kirk, with “You prefer it this way, don’t you, as it was meant to be, no peace in our time” ?? If so, I think its a very different context ?

[@Howlrunner82]

But wasn't Chang just quoting Shakespeare?

[@Endless_Jaguar]

You can see Worf's PTSD kick in from the time the Enterprise used a clocking device. And then he remembered he can't talk about that.

[@joecolman1968]

I love how they keep Worf in his Next Gen uniform, signifying he may not be around for long

[@colonelgraff9198]

4:27 A Wild Patricia Tallman has appeared

[@discombubulate2256]

that's Patricia Tallman, far out.

[@pilsnerd420]

"Is something wrong Mr Worf?" "Yes captain, how does one keep an eye out for cloaked ships?"

[@youpeoplearecrazy374]

Worf's choice of words isn't all that surprising. The cloak used by the Enterprise was temporary and an illegal prototype. The cloak on the Defiant is perfectly legal and used as a matter of course during missions. A piece of tech integrated into the ship's systems like the replicators or transporters. Not a barely functional experiment, tied into the ship with fingers crossed.

[@Elthenar]

The Pegasus cloak wasn't exactly a cloak. It wasn't a stealth system like other cloaks, it fully phased the ship out. It's not simply cloaked, it's just not really there. The Pegasus cloak was a vastly more powerful device. It was so potentially powerful that the writers pretty much have to ignore it because it would completely change the setting.

[@youpeoplearecrazy374]

@@Elthenar It was a cloak. It was referred to as such several times in the episode. It was just a cloak that also allowed the ship to be in a phased state. If it wasn't a cloak, there would be no need to worry about the treaty with the Romulans.

[@Elthenar]

@@youpeoplearecrazy374 You are missing the point I made. They called it a cloak because it doesn't effectively cloak the ship. WHat I said was that it didn't function like any existing cloak and it was a totally different technology from a normal cloak. So therefore it wasn't a cloak, it was something different and more powerful. Kind of like the difference between a calculator and your smartphone. You phone can work as a calculator, but it does so much more.

[@youpeoplearecrazy374]

@@Elthenar No, I didn't miss the point you were trying to make. The difference isn't like a smartphone and calculator. It added ONE new feature, not dozens. It is basically the difference between a battery operated calculator and a solar calculator. It is a cloak that gives the added ability to phase. That's it.

[@Elthenar]

@@youpeoplearecrazy374 Oh is that all? Ever see a cloaked Romulan or Klingon ship try to fly through a moon sized asteroid? Clearly it's the exact same technology. My entire argument is that the phase ability is a bigger deal than the cloak

[@DrewSavo]

I think we can all agree that the relationship between Sisko and Dukat is one of the most complex and greatest in the entire StarTrek Verse: They’re not actual enemies, they’d never admit that they were friends, but the undeniable respect that they have for one another is what drives their relationship forward.

[@vsync]

until it jumped the shark

[@Elthenar]

They are most definitely enemies, just ones who occasionally share a viewpoint.

[@InfernosReaper]

@@vsync Yeah, and the worst part was even though Dukat and The Sisko were meant to be enemies to the end, Dukat vs Kira was a much more fitting arrangement, especially since The Sisko's greatest adversary was always Winn

[@spikeep6141]

Breath-taking..... Absolutely breath-taking - Gul Dukat, Sentinel of Liberty, Guardian-Protector of Democracy, Champion of The People..... He Could Add Colours to The Chameleon, he really could.

[@JB48632pointfour]

I’m gonna go watch this episode again. One of the best! All hail, Worf!

[@Scioneer]

Careful Sisko, I believe you have a very dangerous telepath on your bridge.

[@Sashowindfeather]

OH MY GOD I NEVER NOTICED THAT UNTIL NOW

[@Aruniel]

I don't get it....

[@VoodooV1]

@@Aruniel google Babylon 5 and Lyta Alexander

[@tachyontee3877]

He's gonna need John Sheridan on the bride with a PPG. After all, she has been touched by the Vorlons.

[@vorlonempire6954]

A Sword is only as dangerous as the one who wields it.

[@aperson22222]

“I have never been on a Federation starship that had a cloaking device.” Ah, yes you have. When the _Enterprise_ salvaged the illegal cloaking device from the wreck of the _Pegasus,_ installed it, and used it to escape from inside an asteroid.

[@mdhofstee]

that was not a typical cloaking device rather a phase device that would allow the ship to phase to allow it to go through solid matter. A cloaking device does not allow you to pass through matter like that.

[@aperson22222]

mdhofstee They consistently referred to it as a cloaking device throughout the episode, and also made it clear that its nature as a cloak was the reason it was illegal, which in turn was the source of all the episode’s dramatic tension. Nor does Worf qualify that he’s never been on a Starfleet ship with “a typical cloaking device” here.

[@Brooke-rw8rc]

But he's not allowed to reference that. He was probably thinking "The last time I was on a Federation ship with a cloak..."

[@aperson22222]

Michael Timothy If Worf and the other _Enterprise_ officers are under a gag order-and remember, Picard deliberately decloaked in front of a warbird in order to make a coverup impossible-he would have said nothing unless directly asked. Had Sisko said “Ever been on a Starfleet ship with a cloaking device before?” then Worf would have had to say “No.” But assuming Sisko doesn’t know about the _Pegasus_ affair, for Worf to volunteer this lie would only arouse suspicion: _Well of course you haven’t; this is the only one . . . isn’t it?_

[@koshi6505]

I don't think he even meant that. He actually wanted to complain about serving with a Romulan, but knew that it would be an inappropriate remark.

[@DanielHodgeVoice]

scenes like these make me realize how michael dorn slowly changed his voice from forced deep gruff to just his natural speaking tone from tng to ds9.

[@Vanlifecrisis]

He did in tng too after the first couple seasons.

[@patrickschulz2193]

Lyta Alexander at the helm

[@-M0LE]

I love how they are still gentlemen even though they are kind of enemies

[@CeartGoLeor86]

Ah Worf, father of the year.

[@joeyjamison5772]

Do space frogs have croaking devices?

[@andrewblanchard2398]

🐸

[@develynseether4426]

Its law, if they don't they get toad away!

[@MetalSmith]

He has been on a federation ship with a cloaking device. In TNG...

[@Hartzilla2007]

You know Worf could just not be counting a one time thing to get out of a sticky situation. As opposed to the Defiant having one as standard equipment that they use whenever.

[@Lerrinus]

Just noticed the officer at 4:27 is Patricia Tallman! Lyta from B5! I didn't notice her before! I just saw her red hair and eyes were familiar! :-D I checked imdb to see who she was and yes, it is her!

[@jdonvance]

Kira may have certain command-related (and urgency-related) leeway with regards to bursting unannounced into a meeting in the station commander's office, but Worf clearly hadn't been dismissed before he ran off.

[@ziggymcdougal]

ok i somehow didn't notice this but is that Patricia Tallman (Lyta's actress from B5) at 4:26? And here I thought she hated ds9 for premise theft.

[@mikejohnson3387]

The Vorlons loaned her out for the weekend.

[@patrickschulz2193]

She's been in Trek shows all over the 90s. But did an especial lot of stunt work on DS9.

[@Meta-Drew]

Haha this dude just walks around giving his whole crew the same "I need you here" talk

[@techpreacher8081]

Always hated how everyone casually guilt trips Worf into submission: But you've sworn allegiance to the federation, Lieutenant Worf. You're somewhat useful at the moment. I need you here, Lieutenant Worf. Why don't your people just go f**k yourself, Lieutenant Worf?

[@twisticanime5170]

@@techpreacher8081 lololol

[@OhNoTheFace]

3:53 That little head shake. "Good, I was worried that would take more"

[@LordTalax]

Worf: I am an alien so I can not ever use contractions

[@Serin9X]

I never took that as an aspect of him being an alien and more as him speaking on a clear and frank manner because that's what Klingons do. Klingons wouldn't really be given to casual speech.

[@joshuagrahamcrackers]

That's NOT what you said! You said "can't," you used a contraction!

[@DelcoRanz93]

@@joshuagrahamcrackers Sir, I can explain if you just give me a--

[@joshuagrahamcrackers]

No you CAN'T! Don't even try!

[@LordTalax]

@@Serin9X Odd they speak casually all the time. See Kor.

[@mitche5007]

Gul Dukat looks so pleased and happy with himself :) And who else noticed that Lyta Alexander from Babylon 5 was on the bridge too :) (Patricia Tallman)

[@paulgavin841]

Wolf was mistaken because the enterprise d had a clocking device

[@starfleetcaptain5413]

"You saw which way the wind was blowing and switched sides." Funny how reality mirrors fiction.

[@unterbm]

Is that Patricia Tallman at 4:27?

[@kuribayashi84]

I dunno... I kind of miss the Dukat who was *almost* an ally, an anti-hero of sorts. The Dukat of "Explorers", "Way of the Warrior", "Indiscretion", "Return to Grace" and "Apocalypse Rising".

[@christopherwall2121]

It was interesting, but unfortunately that gritted-teeth dynamic was having the adverse affect of the executives wanting Dukat either become a good guy, or become the Major's new love interest. To which Nana Visitor, Marc Alaimo, Ira Steven Behr, and the writing room were all like, "HOW ABOUT NO?!"

[@Michael-io3dd]

@@christopherwall2121 From what I heard, Marc Alaimo was all in favor of it.

[@Theomite]

So THIS is where Lyta Alexander hid on her run fro the Psi Corps. No wonder she knew how to pilot a ship later on.

[@TheStapleGunKid]

"What about your son?" "The franchise just doesn't have the budget to add him in as a main character"

[@soulbreakerthelastmanalive]

One of the greatest shows ever made 😊

[@shaderax_storm6165]

Patricia Tallman? Was this a Babylon 5 cross over and no one told me?

[@TroyDionWilliams]

Shes been in a lot of TNG episodes, even as a villain. Episode with Enterprise was being decontaminated.

[@johnmurray8835]

Andreas Katsulas, who played G'Kar on Babylon 5. , also played the Romulan Commander Tomalak on Star Trek The Next Generation !!!

[@SteliosStylianou]

Has anyone noticed that is Patricia Tallman at the helm on the Defiant who also played Lyta in Babylon 5? Look at 4.28 and you see what I mean.

[@elricvanekimus]

4:27 oh the Volrons send Lyta Alexander to operate the cloacking device,how generous of them,) (would be funny to see Lyta meet Leeta)

[@ahsenkhan5386]

who is leeta

[@richtea615]

4:27 they even brought Lyta for this one. Sisko play hardball with the Klingons.

[@Whatatwist2009]

Worf got so much more character development and screen time on DS9 it was a very welcome addition.

[@mikejohnson3387]

DS9 was a interesting show. Dukat, Nog, Damar, Garak, are proably 3rd tier characters but even they got their own eps. at some point.

[@Cenkolino]

God this series was something special. DS9 is best Trek!

[@humbleopinion43samurai19]

Worf kinda disappointed me briefly. Despite his choices and shortcomings, he always owned it. This scene showed his Achilles heel by wanting to run away when he had to face the outcome of those choices. Thankfully Captain Sisko was able to reach him through the art of Duty and guilt.

[@Lupinthe3rd.]

Hi love your profile pic

[@Tuning3434]

+Humble Opinion 43 Samurai At the time Dorn was basically thrown into DS9 at the last moment, and scripts are lacking at the moment. It will take up to halfway this season before the writers are able to -right- write specifically for the Worf character, instead of forcing Worf upon roles / dialogue intended for other characters. They will figure it out, I consider the DS9 story-line and way of production to be more suitable for Worf, although Dorn probably had way more fun during the TNG production.

[@ninathompson-king837]

Everyone has moments in life where they fall. Times where you're unsure of who you are and what you're doing. I felt that stayed with Worf throughout DS9. He finally found purpose in Jadzia, but then she died. I feel bad for his character. I wonder if he'll make a cameo in the new Picard series.

[@girlgarde]

To be fair, he lost a great deal and was pretty much exiled from the Klingon Empire and suddenly, most Klingons thought he was scum once again. This time, it was due to a choice he made conceived because of his principles and personal code of honour.

[@humbleopinion43samurai19]

@@Lupinthe3rd. you have my humble thanks and likewise appreciation.

[@gdavis]

Loved in this series how star fleet always tried to help people

[@theindooroutdoorsman]

Everyone is talking about the Enterprise using the phase cloak. The Enterprise didn't have a cloak, the Pegasus had the cloak. The Enterprise used it once then destroyed it, it didn't have a cloak, it borrowed one.

[@SwishEQ]

DS9 really starting to find its way at this point .... got a starfleet ship with a cloaking device no less, a good ongoing storyline, Worf turned up to boost familiarity ❤

[@lskulski]

When miles asked word what about his son, Worf’s facial expression was just “my what?? Oh? That’s right I have a son, I guess.”

[@mihugong3153]

Damn. If Sisko had unleashed the human WMD operating the cloaking device in this video, the Dominion war would have been over in a week.

[@ThatSlowTypingGuy]

4:26 was that Lyta from Babylon 5?!

[@mikejohnson3387]

on loan from the Vorlons

[@daleyeager352]

If there are 2 cloaked ships traveling at warp, what happens if they cross pathes?

[@beth2529]

They will collide and be destroyed.

[@TonboIV]

Space is big.

[@TheRealLaughingGravy]

*_BOOOOM!!!_*

[@momokochama1844]

they are just invisible, not immaterial. would be more interesting if both had phasing technology

[@rotyler2177]

Ever watched The last Jedi?

[@walkwgod7]

I thought I recognized that woman at the end. That's Patricia Tallman, she was in Babylon 5 as Lyta Alexander. Those two shows were in competition then but it was a good competition hahaha.

[@demarcusfaulkner7411]

I am sorry mr. Worf I cannot accept your resignation right now. I do not understand what further use could I be here. I'm not sure yet what I do know is that you're a good officer I'm going to need every good officer I can get. Captain Sisko one hell of a man.

[@miroslavtomic7038]

Cardassians were very wise. They knew very well that nobody in entire universe liked them nor willingly wanted to do anything with them. But they also knew that in general scheme of things in universe they cannot be ignored and it is better to have them as allies then as enemies. And they played that extremely well each and every single time.

[@jimtalor7971]

Hell ya!! Prune juice,a warriors battle cry after "dumping" the enemy!!

[@stephenmac25]

The scriptwriters obviously forgot about the cloaking device used on the enterprise in the episode "The Pegasus" Worf has been on a cloaked federation vessel before.

[@Paul-jy8cv]

either that or starfleet and the federation as well as the romulans classified it(and to those who might as why would the romulans they do that think about it this way if the federation could find a way to do that the klingon might (or steal it from the federation) and they would use it plus the federation made a better cloak in one try and the romulans have been working on it for 2 centuries)

[@DocMicrowave]

He might have been referring to a Starfleet sanctioned cloaking device and the ship so equipped.

[@josephlatourette8329]

Maybe he meant a permit cloaking device the cloaking device that was installed on the Enterprise wasn't on it very long

[@edireland8983]

Worf could have been ordered never to tell anyone about the incident, because the Federation and Romulans want to keep the whole thing quiet to avoid damaging the credibility of the Treaty. The Federation could have promised and demonstrated that it had seriously punished the perpetrators and the Romulans agree not to rock the boat.

[@oldtwinsna8347]

@@edireland8983 Agreed. It would be a highly classified matter for the Federation for sure. Sisko, not being an intelligence officer, would have no knowledge of the event. And certainly not Dax, Bashir, and everyone else that mattered on the bridge that day.

[@pcuimac]

Lyta Alexander undercover in DS9? Wow!

[@jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj178]

You want quiet? Go to the replimat.”

[@Skyebright1]

jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj178 this is Quarks!

[@TheStapleGunKid]

"What further use could I be here?" "Well, if I ever need to murder the Klingon supreme leader, I have a feeling you'll come in handy"

[@Tamari001]

I wonder if the writers had already planned for Dukat to "switch sides" again or if they just ran with this if/when it was decided not to keep him as an ally.

[@Walm89]

I like all the different species present in one scene, so to speak

[@GAME4WAR]

Gul Dukat is the best character in the entire Star Trek universe.

[@mephistoxarses8585]

Garak : A simple tailor would disagree! ;)

[@julianmhall]

Isn't the ensign at helm of the Defiant Patricia Tallman of Babylon 5?

[@carlzerris6566]

'And if the Klingons try to stop us?' 'The i will be there to reason with them......in the Defiant'