STAR TREK Logical Thinking #64 - Hypocrisy (False Pretenses)

[@michaelanderson2166]

Please get this in every class. The whole series needs to be in all schools.

[@CHDanhauser]

Why thank you! Some instructors are using my videos in their classes, actually. I give them access to video files in the cloud that can be downloaded for use in schools without need for internet and ads.

[@jerrycarter7843]

You noticed McCoy was respectful. He knows better than to piss off an Andorian .

[@Starshipsforever]

Or he has a completely different outlook on Thelin since both would be on the same page on many subjects. Unlike with Spock, McCoy can likely drag Thelin off for some good rounds of drinking in a bar or go on bar hops together. Another thing also needs to be considered: there were many moments were Spock and McCoy were respectful and professional to one another. This just may be one time where they were.

[@MM22966]

Nobody wants ants in their pants...or in their face.

[@OrdoNekro]

Would love to see more Commander Thelin episodes. Love this series!

[@CHDanhauser]

Since all of the animation frames have been created I expect we will see more Logic Lessons with Thelin.

[@thelaughinghyenas8465]

I thought Commander Thelin did an extremely good job there and I'd like to hear his views on other possible logical errors.

[@thecaptain6730]

So glad there is some new Star Trek released this week! Thanks!

[@neildavis2999]

Awesome. I always loved the episode with those bird things. And I loved playing the Alkari in MOO1. Fringe Trek!!

[@CHDanhauser]

I'm glad you appreciated his appearance. He cameos in other Logic Lessons, but in this one he is one of the main characters. Cheers!

[@mattproctor4333]

These are so awesome!!! Thanks for doing these!!!

[@CHDanhauser]

Glad you like them!

[@Brighteyebushytale]

Good old, Thelin. He's been giving lessons on logical thinking for 5 years now.

[@misanikolic1096]

Thelin handled this better than Spock, with his caustic "That would be best."

[@CHDanhauser]

Indeed. Thelin is a bit less terse.

[@Foxonian]

Interesting take on one of these.

[@davidgradwell8830]

Actually, the original Thelin's gray complexion may have a logical explanation. In "Enterprise" we were introduced to the Aenar, a subspecies of Andorians who were gray, rather than blue. We may speculate from that.

[@thomaswalkerwerth]

The Aenar are blind, although he may be an Aenar/Andorian mix. Also TOS Andorians are all a lot less blue than Enterprise Andorians.

[@johannpopper1493]

What a great guest!!!! Thank you!

[@CHDanhauser]

My pleasure! I have always loved the episode "Yesteryear" and thought that the idea of an Andorian as first officer in a parallel universe was wild. It meant that in that universe, Thelin took part in all of those adventures with Kirk and McCoy depicted in the live-action STAR TREK series and movies instead of Spock.

[@johannpopper1493]

@@CHDanhauser Indeed. That was a great concept that spontaneously generated so many interesting possibilities.

[@trappedkitty5335]

Wow. Israel - Palestine relations could use some Andorian negotiators.

[@jonathanmyers2867]

That was the from Yesteryear.

[@CHDanhauser]

Correct! Erickson and Aleek-Om (the yellow avian) were also in that excellent episode.

[@QMagi]

Nice sneak-framing of Spock toward the end.

[@CHDanhauser]

That was an accidental posting of a working copy of the video. The corrected video has been uploaded.

[@evnthr1zn]

CDR Thelin seems like a well-rounded officer. I wonder where he is in the ST Prime timeline.

[@CHDanhauser]

Thelin of Spock's universe appeared as a navigator on the USS Farragut in the animated episodes of that excellent fan series. However, he was represented with grey skin. In the originally aired and VHS release of the animated episode "Yesteryear," Thelin was erroneously shown with flesh-colored skin. In the remastered animated episode as released on DVD in 2006, Thelin's skin was oddly "fixed" to be grey. I made Thelin's skin to be blue like all Andorians seen in TOS and most of Star Trek: Enterprise. The grey-skinned Navigator Thelin on the USS Farragut was I believe supposed to be a member of the related species of Andorians called the Aenar who were depicted as essentially albinos with no pigmentation and pale white skin.

[@MonsterHobbiesModelCarGarage]

Everyone here was so excited for Commander Thalin, but they missed that LT Errickson WASN'T a three armed orange alien, but a regular human. It was very cool to see an alternate Enterprise crew. Good work!

[@gmmeier321]

That was Lt Arrex

[@MonsterHobbiesModelCarGarage]

@@gmmeier321 Whoops! My bad! LOL! My memory is slipping at 50.

[@CHDanhauser]

Lieutenant Arex (with his three arms and three legs) will be back in the Logic Lesson set for July 2024.

[@MonsterHobbiesModelCarGarage]

@@CHDanhauser Hurrah!

[@rickjohnston2667]

You're confusing Erickson with Arex. Lieutenant Arex was the alien Edosian bridge officer in the animated series that had 3 arms and 3 legs.

[@markzambelli]

Appreciate the re-upload to make this perfect series of your even more perfecter😉

[@CHDanhauser]

Thanks!

[@leovalverde1508]

Would love to see Commander Thelin in live action!

[@CHDanhauser]

I have made a live action image of Thelin as portrayed by Jack Donner. www.danhausertrek.com/AnimatedSeries/Thelin_Big.jpg

[@rickjohnston2667]

Absolutely! That would be great!

[@daveroe4961]

Interesting how hypocrisy is usually seen as dishonest and therefore deliberate when this shows you can still be hypocritical through irrigorous thought and logic. Nice illustration of why recklessness is just as important as intention.

[@daveroe4961]

Is there a term for this kind of hypocrisy? Reckless hypocrisy? Negligent hypocrisy?

[@bentonmarcum8924]

Never associated Andorrians with logic.

[@MisterMarin]

When an Andorian starts correcting your logic, you can't help but wonder if he's actually a Vulcan in disguise. 😛

[@morlockmeat]

Glad you made him blue, the way he's supposed to be.

[@TheRealNormanBates]

I dunno... he seemed pretty content to me.

[@Mereologist]

Seemed a little... azure.

[@morlockmeat]

@@TheRealNormanBates - 😆

[@morlockmeat]

@@Mereologist - 😄

[@Mereologist]

TO THE AGONY BOOTH!

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

The Dentrassi... aren't they known for being rather excellent cooks?

[@CHDanhauser]

Yes, but the Detrassi really hate the Vogons.

[@rickjohnston2667]

No, that's the Legassi, as in Emeril.

[@DeconvertedMan]

:D good times! Yay logic! ^_^

[@machf00]

So, the timelines aren't in flux anymore now, huh? ;-)

[@AesculapiusPiranha]

I liked the first version. ;)

[@CHDanhauser]

Lol.

[@jackdispennett744]

Noooooo!!!! We want Spooooooooooock!!!!

[@erikstormtrooper]

That would be best

[@CenturianCornelious]

Careful you don't get canceled.

[@CHDanhauser]

I know! Telling the truth even in allegorical terms may syill incur the wrath of those in power.

[@rickjohnston2667]

Nice to see Thelin again. He hasn't been in Star Trek since the animated series episode "Yesteryear." Would love to see more of him in your videos. (Note: It would be great to see him in canon Trek as well, maybe in "Strange New Worlds.") I know that you don't have any say in that, just an observation. 😊

[@CHDanhauser]

I plan on featuring Thelin in at least two more Logic Lessons. I'm not sure SNW should be considered canon, but I know what you mean.

[@Jr-qo4ls]

This episode in addition to exemplifying a logical fallacy, also illustrates that the self delusional belief systems that go by the protected name of religions are harmful.

[@PamSesheta]

Yassss

[@skogga]

Logic is not owned by any race. "Commander" is a rank given to all captains while on-board a ship, a ship has only one Captain who may be of any rank.

[@rsacchi100]

Commander and captain have dual uses. They can refer to a position, such as the captain of a ship or a commander of a unit. It can also refer to the naval ranks of Commander and Captain (O-5 & O-6) in the U.S. Navy and Coast Guard. There are also Captains (O-3) in the U.S. Army, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Space Force. Yes, other organizations use the rank of captain as well.

[@STho205]

Logically and objectively stated Mr @@rsacchi100. You are to be commended on a thorough and dispassionate response. Carry on gentlemen.

[@rsacchi100]

@@STho205 Thank you.

[@jean-pierrefernandez2460]

Obviously, the azure were desecrating their own temples …every …single …time

[@daveroe4961]

Just curious, is there a reason for using Thelin for this particular example? Will you be using him more?

[@MichaelLevine-n6y]

Are the voices one person with good voice control, electronically modified single voice or several speakers?

[@CHDanhauser]

Yes, but only one speaker.

[@devonbrockhaus6554]

I like this. I just wonder about power in the guise of "roles". Representation and misrepresentation and all. Bait and ignore until you get a reaction, that's gaslighting... How to have a logical direct democracy? Better yet, lets be Binarians, or Borg. 🤖

[@TheRealNormanBates]

I guess Spock is taking a vacation, so Thelin is filling in? It would be interesting to make him more unique. I would think that Andorians would be akin to Romulans and Klingons (due to their warrior history) and attribute "logic" to "honor". Maybe Thelin says "It is only honorable" to differentiate him from Spock?

[@CHDanhauser]

Rewatch the video. The explanation of Thelin's presence is explained in the introductory narration. Spock is not on vacation, he doesn't exist in that universe.

[@AntifoulAwl]

Of course! *slaps forehead* I should rethink what I'm trying to say.

[@xrayvision8081]

Tangelo? Cross between a tangerine and grapefruit I think. Orange and Blue, tangelo and azure

[@CHDanhauser]

Spot on! The colors may mean something. Hmmm.

[@xrayvision8081]

Sorry it took me so long, orange and blue can represent opposing beliefs. Fire and Ice

[@jaidev777]

But hypocrisy isn't a logical fallacy. In fact, the Appeal to Hypocrisy is a logical fallacy (ie. accusing someone of hypocrisy, is a logical fallacy.) We all know what hypocrisy is: when someone states a position, yet personally fails to honor the very position they state. For example a politician accusing his opponent of accepting gifts from lobbyists -- while he himself is guilty of the same thing. Everyone is aware of the hypocrisy charge -- they call each other hypocrites all the time. The problem is it doesn't address the argument itself -- and therefore the charge itself is the logical fallacy. Imagine for instance, Politician A says we need to get money out of politics. Politician B then says, "that's rich coming from you, who accepted money from megadonors for your campaign. You are a hypocrite." Yes, true, Mr. A is a hypocrite. But then what? Politician B succeeded in making A "look bad" and therefore made himself appear to "win." But THAT is the logical fallacy. His attack on Politician A's character, did not address Politician A's stated argument that money should be taken out of politics. This recognition of what Politician B did -- distracted from addressing the argued position, by pointing at the arguer's character flaws -- is known as the Tu Quoque fallacy (or "You Too" or Appeal to Hypocrisy). It is a specific form of Ad Hominem. Ad Hominem is when one attacks someone's character instead of addressing the argument.

[@raedwulf61]

Hello, Democrats!

[@CHDanhauser]

Yes, and in Britain.

[@CitrianSnailBY]

Since when are Andorians logical?

[@johnchristopher5733]

I hate him.

[@STho205]

That is not logical.

[@johnchristopher5733]

@@STho205 you might be correct. I will report to sick bay immediately for a psyche evaluation.

[@STho205]

That would be best....