Star Trek TNG - 4K - Terrifying First Encounter With The BORG

After this episode of the Next Generation i was hooked.

[@omega311888]

ive always wondered what went through the collective's "mind" when the enterprise was suddenly snatched away...

[@JK-Visions]

Me too, they must have thought they missed some technology:)

[@electrictroy2010]

BORG: Oh it’s probably the Organians or the Q or some other godlike species.

[@rjstine1247]

​@JK-Visions that's why they came hardest after the Federation initially. They wanted to know how the Enterprise-D ended up where they shouldn't have been.

[@tsarfox3462]

Probably something like "We really need to assimilate that ship and their crew"

[@Fenris77]

Probably a bunch of calculations and other nonsentient stuff... Borg Collective is incapable of "thinking" as a real people would.

[@balrighty3523]

Mad respect for the Enterprise-D here! The whole point of this is to show how unrelenting the Borg are, how ill-prepared Starfleet is, and how easily their defenses can be swept aside. But for all that that is true, one thing gets glossed over: Starfleet was new and unprecedented to the Borg, too! A mere three phaser blasts wrecked 20% of that Borg Cube (and they didn't regenerate that damage or adapt to the Enterprise's phasers until they'd given the Borg time to do so). Had Picard had the mindset to just tell Worf to hold the phaser button down and keep firing, the Enterprise-D could have soloed that Borg Cube.

[@JK-Visions]

yes they were too much on the exploring and didnt understand that the borg had to be stopped rightaway. Q did help them to show them how quickly the Borg could adapt. I do wonder however if they kept firing perhaps they would adapt at blast 4 or 5.

[@LordSiravant]

Nope. They'd stop having any effect after the third, maybe fourth blast. The Borg adapt quickly.

[@balrighty3523]

@LordSiravant I don't know that we can take that completely at face value. Remember: we're almost always seeing the Borg from the perspective of the Federation, and we only ever get one introduction to them: this episode. And in this episode, we see the E-D fire three phaser blasts and wreck 20% of the Cube. Then they stop, discuss, send an away team, and so on. In all of this, the Borg are repairing and analyzing both the information the drones collected from Main Engineering and the damage the E-D inflicted. After this point, after the Borg have this base of knowledge for Federation tech, they indeed can adapt very quickly to what Starfleet tries to do. What I'm saying though is that, in a hypothetical alternate take where the Borg encounter Starfleet for the first time, encounter phasers for the first time, and haven't had time to analyze this tech or build a knowledge base, a Galaxy-class ship willing to keep firing until the phaser relays burn out would totally destroy the Cube before they have the chance to start adapting. But like I said, we'll never know because we'll never get another test case of the Borg encountering offensive technology they've never encountered before and from a culture more willing to use excessive force and see how quickly they go from "absolutely no information" to "instant adapting".

[@LordSiravant]

@@balrighty3523 Actually, we DID get a taste of this in Voyager. When Seven of Nine was coerced into rejoining the Collective, the Queen took her to a planet in her own personal vessel and two other cubes to assimilate it, and the enemy fleet had weapons that could penetrate the Borg shields. The Queen makes a point of asking Seven what they should do, and her self-preservation takes over and she offers the solution. The Queen responds, "I was thinking the exact same thing," and the adaptation takes all of two seconds, after which the enemy vessels are completely unable to damage them any further.

[@tsarfox3462]

It's true but, Q was trying to show the Federation that their tactics of how to approach the unknown were horribly misguided on the Borg. Q knew that if Starfleet didn't have prior knowledge and knew what a threat they are, they'd be wiped out easily and quickly adapt the whole fleet to deal with the Federation Phasers.

[@Toobeegort]

With this little demonstration Q tried to help the federation prepare for the Borg, but they thought they had more time than they did, and so we got The Battle of Wolf 359.

[@JK-Visions]

Yes, I want to make a video about that too. I found some great footage. In due time if i don't get a strike for B5. The channel seems to be under review:(

[@charlesajones77]

"Locate the exact source of that tractor beam and fire" Fires nowhere near the source of the beam.

[@JK-Visions]

Yeah auto aim was of lol

[@mkhd1355]

@@JK-Visions Programmed by stormtroopers.

[@datacipher]

The source of the beam is NOT necessarily the place the beam is emitted lol. Come on people.... you guys are the type to see a video you don't like and smash your monitors to get rid of it. 😂

[@goobytron2888]

@@datacipher Excellent point. The power generator, the control location etc. could be in a different place.

[@datacipher]

@@goobytron2888 yes and to be clear, I think it’s just an error due to budget/time constraints, BUT in fact Picard’s line even implies it: LOCATE the EXACT source…. If he just meant “shoot the hole where the beam comin out Mr. Worf!” It would be a sad indictment of enterprise targeting. We know from other lines that they were able to scan interior workings of the cube - power levels and transfers etc.

[@johnpirie3800]

TNG is one of the best shows ever. The movies were equally as brilliant too. From the Borg to Q, this show had wonderful characters. Thank you for posting this.

[@JK-Visions]

I want to post more eventually but making them proves more time-consuming then expected. So for the time being I am making B5 and occasionally a TNG or other one. But I am in lack of time lol.

[@bushcraftandastronomer.3775]

After this episode the borg became so iconic in star trek history! Captain Picard knew his Enterprise was no match for the borg cube! Q saved them because Q isn't bad! The borg are special and fans loved the Borg!

[@anwarsentinel1752]

One of my favorite episodes. IMHO Q is a hugely misunderstood character - his aim throughout the seasons was to humble Picard. And he finally achieved this in all good things. If Picard were left alone then humanity and the federation would of been finished.

[@JK-Visions]

Yep, the time of exploration was over and also to show the galaxy is a far more dangerous place then humanity thought before.

[@urloony]

It's amazing how Whoopi hasn't changed a bit.

[@futal1000]

Same as Patrick Stewart

[@kbanghart]

​@@futal1000they're both obviously looking older, I wonder if that's what the original commenter meant?

[@LeonNobles]

She is 500 hundred years old.

[@kbanghart]

@@LeonNobles English much?

[@urloony]

@@kbanghart "There be whales here!"

[@brandoncruise6398]

So, theoretically, let’s suppose that a smaller Borg pod or ship got transferred in to the Star Wars universes. Pick any planet you want. What insane things would occur from the moment they appear? Think of random places like a senate meeting, house, training missions, and ships. Don’t be afraid to use a little dark humor. Because the Borge can take disintegrating phaser blasts like nothing, keep in mind light sabers probably won’t do squat.

[@JK-Visions]

They would wipe them out. All of them(emperor Palpatine)

[@Teardehawkee]

Q humbled their asses!

[@user-go8fp5xr3x]

I love how the Enterprise was just sent 7,000 light years in less than a minute, and Geordi's just sitting there like nothing happened. 😂

[@JK-Visions]

Yeah he was still a kid back then haha

[@bikiniluvnguy1]

as I've said before, if there was ever a reason to turn starfleet toward the militaristic side, rather than the exploration side, the borg are it. they were very nearly unstoppable.

[@JK-Visions]

Yes I agree. And I think the Borg were unstoppable but they got lucky a few times. If not for Picard putting them to sleep the first time they would have been roaming the galaxy like Guinan .

[@LordSiravant]

@@JK-Visions I think the intent of the showrunners was that everything Q did over the course of the franchise, from TNG to VOY to finally PIC, was basically his way of orchestrating the Federation defeating the Borg. They were the single biggest threat to the Federation. He didn't intervene in the Dominion War because he knew the Federation could handle the Dominion without his interference, and he was right. Q could deny it all he liked, he had a soft spot for humanity and WANTED them to succeed.

[@rkr9861]

@@LordSiravantQ: "I wonder if this captain needs my help too--" *gets punched in the face* "Never mind, he's got this."

[@rosalindshays5679]

One thing that I never understood was that if Guinan knew about the Borg and their destructiveness for 100 years, then why in the hell did she never feel the need to tell anybody in Star Fleet about it until this very instance?

[@JK-Visions]

Perhaps they did but thought it not to be such a threat. And how far aways is their race coming from? Perhaps they never believed her.

[@rosalindshays5679]

​ @JK-Visions They knew about Guinan and her race for at least 75-80 years prior to the TNG-era Star Trek, as per the continuity established in the movie Generations. You'd think that Guinan or one of her ilk (i.e. Dr. Soren, etc.) would have at least mentioned the Borg to the Federation at some point in time prior to this, since they all but destroyed her entire race. Maybe you're right that the Federation was too arrogant to believe that they were a threat, but you'd think that the captain of their flagship would've at least heard of the Borg prior to Q's trick in this episode. Also, don't get me started on the continuity errors that Voyager introduced into the Borg timeline with Seven of Nine's background story...good grief!

[@kbanghart]

​@rosalindshays5679its fine

[@user-lc6zr6rm8b]

My theory is that Starfleet probably interviewed the survivors, but that perhaps the explanation seemed farfetched to Starfleet and so the Borg were relegated as mere mythology of a superstitious alien culture and not considered a true threat. Maybe some footnote about the Borg existed from the interviews but it was probably classified and not considered to be factual. Starfleet probably believed the El-Aurian homeworld was destroyed by some other cause and that the Borg story was in effect a myth intended to explain another occurrence. Had they cross referenced those stories with Captain Archer's logs from 2153 a different theory may have emerged. But perhaps Archer was not a good writer and so his logs were dismissed as well, and the two different cyborg encounters were never correlated because the crew of the Enterprise NX-01 never called the cyborgs by their name.

[@jamescurran9002]

Well, How did she get to be a bartender in the first place? But my assumption was that she arrived in the Federation to escape her past, and the Borg. And just disappeared into the scenery. Don't forget that mysterious encounter with Q which has never been explained. She's a mysterious woman with a past.

[@pmarreck]

It took me all of junior high and almost all of high school to learn 1 important fact about bullies: The only language they understand is "force"

[@JK-Visions]

That's true, but standing up to them usually also does the trick according to psychology. But if they smell weakness they most of the time go all in. Which is sad but harsh reality. I know from the bad side too. I came into the class halfway through the year so I was out of my comfort zone for a while. It ended up fairly ok but I did get some bullying to endure before I got my act together again.

[@CellGames2006]

It's okay... some people don't learn even as adults. Western politicians think they can appease Russia when in fact all they respect is force.

[@JK-Visions]

Have you seen the first episode of Picard season 3? What do you think? Are the Borg still scary? They never said resistance is futile in this first episode. I never realised:)

[@Toobeegort]

I only watch Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds, at least they respect canon and common sense more than the others.

[@mandude1827]

​@@disrupt_ist You're joking right?

[@johnthehumanist2333]

@@mandude1827 collectivists like collectivists...............I guess!🤣

[@LordSiravant]

Picard ended up doing the Borg even dirtier than Voyager did.

[@kbanghart]

​@@LordSiravanthow?

[@user-rv2zj8zu5b]

The utter helplessness of humanity against an alien species that has no concept of human values or morality makes you want to SETI - shut er down.

[@JK-Visions]

Yeah perhaps the galaxy is quit for a reason ..

[@Fenris77]

2:50 Picard should have kept firing at these things and never stopped until the cube was no more than space dust! And according to Enteprise this was not the first contact between the Terrans and the cyber zombies. And it took the Federation of wimps this encounter a very ONESIDED battle at Wolf-359 and a threat from a race of chapeshifting space nazis to take shit seriously!?!

[@JK-Visions]

No I think they were extremely naïve and thought they could always make the universe revolve around them.

[@Fenris77]

@@JK-Visions Indeed. The Federation lived in some fantasy that the universe was just dying to become like the UFP wanted it to be. Thanks the gods for Section-31 and in a way also the Maquis.

[@cfjlkfsjf]

That's cool, maybe with AI one day in the far future we can get to this point of exploring space with a computer aka AI.

[@JK-Visions]

It's the only way unless they find a way like warping Space.🖖

[@cfjlkfsjf]

@@JK-Visions I want the holodeck and the replicator tech.

[@BillHawkins0318]

Nobody lost any sleep over the Dozen people that were in that section they carved out of the saucer module. Either a bunch of red shirts. Didn't look like it was from lower decks so what gives

[@JK-Visions]

Yeah it's a sacrifice for the collective (not Borg lol)