Star Trek: Voyager - Our situation's getting worse every day. (Course: Oblivion)

[@skynetprime82]

This episode in my opinion was the most saddest in the Voyager series

[@lorispicer4598]

What season n episode was this?

[@skynetprime82]

@@lorispicer4598 I believe it was either season 6 or 7

[@acardenasjr1340]

I totally agree. These copies built an enhanced War Drive that would have gotten them to the Alpha Quadrate in mere months, BUT! They weren't human and melted away, leaving no trace of their being. The real Voyager, coming upon a liquid mess in space....

[@Teltharion]

i was about to write the same thing. It's one of the best, saddest episodes, Oblivion is something feared by most of us. I wonder if they could be considered as living/senitent entities despite of being copies.

[@skynetprime82]

@@Teltharion it seemed barbaric of the powers that be to bring the clones back just to kill them

[@usul573]

I love how Janeway has a small little pause after saying "No survivors". It's that classic moment of reflection. Who were you? What was your story? Did you leave people behind?

[@usul573]

@Leo Peridot Their deaths meant something to each other. To Janeway though, it just meant a log note and a moment of reflecting.

[@glennbrymer4065]

In my life, I have gone into some heavy back country. Looking for something interesting. Maybe a treasure. Who knows. I have come across a handfull of bodies, in the oddest of places. Dating back to the 1800s and into the 1900s. Most of them had taken shelter after being injured and died. These in a few cases were fairly well preserved. Some had fallen and were wedged into crevasses & cracks. Not much left. Wood,steel, leather & canvas don't last long in direct exposure to the elements. But gold and silver, copper and brass are not affected much. You always wonder about who they were. I would not advise anyone to go out do this without being prepared! I spent a lot of time just laying up with a high powered spoting scope and a paper map, making notes. You have to do a bunch of researching before you even think about going out in the field. I started when I was just a child with an old army shovel. Later, I still used and old Army shovel. But also top of the line metal detectors. Most times, you find nothing of any real worth. But every once in a while, you do find something. When you do, it is a thrill you never forget! It is often highly dangerous. You deal with snakes and critters. Moving and falling boulders & rocks. You often have to crawl into tight spots. Anything goes wrong, and you become the newest lost secret! I've had close calls. A few, Very close. You wonder what people will think when they find you, if they do. Lol It is a young man's game. Lots of mountain climbing and rope work. Carrying a 75 pound pack and another 35 pounds of gear. Staying out for weeks. Living like an animal. Hiding and watching. Studying the best paths and cliffs. Thinking, where would something fall, what could be in that hole in the rocks? I miss it. Never knowing. Will there be a big rattle snake den, or will there be a old pair of rotted leather saddle bags with gold & silver coins spilling out of them next to a pile of bones? Who was it, where did they come from. How did they die. Whoever it was, you thank them. They gave you a treasure!

[@raven4k998]

@@glennbrymer4065 oh common just get those bodies and give them a proper burial that's the least that you could do for them

[@suqmadique9762]

the dead dont mind, theyre dead

[@dying101666]

@@suqmadique9762 sometimes it's easier that way.

[@leonkernan]

The nacelle softening and breaking off was a nice touch.

[@anonymoushypersphere9093]

Wait where in the video does that happen?

[@ThyPandora]

@@anonymoushypersphere9093 If you look at 2:52-2:55 - tail end of one of the nacelles breaks off.

[@dankester5607]

Not just saddest among Voyager... One of the saddest in all of Star Trek

[@raven4k998]

yeah the extinction of an entire race due to copying the voyager crew who would have thought such a thing possible?

[@raven4k998]

@Leo Peridot I would say that giving a race the belief they are something that they are not and that causes them to go extinct the entire species beats out PTSD by far PTSD takes a back seat to that one there

[@yourstruly4817]

@@raven4k998 I think it doesn't really matter what they were made of, their thoughts and feelings were still human, just like when SG1 got copied as machines in Stargate

[@raven4k998]

@@yourstruly4817 that's not what I was getting at what I was getting at was if they had remembered what they were made of then they would have tested on the holodeck how the radiation would affect them instead of how it affects humanoids and thus they never would have died from the effects of the radiation that's all that I was getting at sure it would have changed the narrative of that episode but at least they wouldn't have all died

[@miguelaprendizaje.2918]

Sad and very well done.

[@Rnankn]

This episode really got to me, even now. I think it speaks to our own anxiety of not being real, not being seen, and ending in a meaningless sudden end. It’s the dilemma of the human condition. Going to curl up in a dark room and weep now.

[@Windclaw]

You can either let the darkness have you... Or, you can accept the old maxim. "I think. Therefore, I am."

[@mabiniss2]

I love how they felt they had to put in a split second of Neelix getting dropped.

[@raven4k998]

just one question why is main engineering in better condition then the bridge after all it had the highest radiation exposure after all they were only renforcing the warp core with nanoprobes

[@colinantink9094]

@@raven4k998 seven modified some nanoprobes to sustain the cores integrity. Stands to reason they were helping with main engineering too. Also could be an eye of the storm type field.

[@raven4k998]

@@colinantink9094 if that was the case why not have them spread and work on the entire ship nano probes can replicate on there own no reason she couldn't have pushed them to try working on everything and everyone who knows maybe they could have solved the problem had they had enough time to work on it but then we will never know as there time ran out

[@colinantink9094]

@@raven4k998 that’s a damn good point. Would be better to allow them to borgify voyager and fix the assimilation at a later date when the issue has been solved.

[@VincentPascual]

Even the nanoprobes were going to disintegrate eventually. One question I had was why they couldn’t have moved bridge controls down to engineering. They could’ve save power and resources that went to reinforcing the bridge’s structural integrity.

[@JustPippaNY]

Amazing that even when the ship is literally falling apart, the core ejection system is the one thing still working.

[@forwardsky4716]

Yes that is usually the first thing to break in a battle or when the ship takes damage

[@oldtwinsna8347]

Seven mentioned that nanoprobes were used to stabilize some critical equipment including the warp drive system. Probably some was placed into the safety mechanisms, including the ejection system.

[@JustPippaNY]

@@oldtwinsna8347 fair point. After all, they have brought people back from the dead.

[@cmj0929]

@@oldtwinsna8347wouldn’t the nano probes be made of the goo too ?

[@lucaslucas2933]

The scariest part is, this has happened so many times in our history. Ships at sea just disappeared with nothing left to indicate what happened and no one left to tell their story. It’s heartbreaking

[@BNuts]

Yes, wooden sailing ships regularly vanished under the might and fury of the ocean. Even if they didn't, they could be months late, and there was no way to know for sure what was the case. When you crossed the ocean, it was for good reason, and you wagered your life and anything and anyone you took with you. The innovations of iron and then steel, and steam engines, gave shipwrights the ability to build bigger, and to supply reliable propulsion and power. Ships becoming more reliable, safer, faster, and even more luxurious allowed many, from the wealthy to immigrants, to cross the oceans whenever they desired. But even today, with _RMS Queen Mary 2_ being the largest, most advanced ocean liner ever built, the ocean's might is still greater, and we can still lose our ships in just the right conditions. It has happened so many times in the past, and will continue to happen, a reminder that nature will always be mightier.

[@francessweeney2308]

A similar thing happened in Gloucester, USA in October 1991. During the "Perfect storm"; a fishing vessel called the Andrea Gail was sunk with all hands lost on a dangerous stretch of fishing grounds called The Grand Banks, no joke at any time of the year, especially not in October. The storm was called a Retrograde storm. Meaning that it goes out to sea as storms usually do. But Retrograde storms stop, turn around and come back onto land. This doesn't happen very often, but when it does,it is devastating, 100 foot waves and 120 miles per hour winds. Meteorologists called the "Halloween" gale perfect because it couldn't get any worse. Theories as to what actually caused the Andrea Gail to sink do include: . She was hit by a rogue wave that overwhelmed her pumps. With the pumps unable to keep out the water, the engine room would become flooded; the electrics would go, radio,radar would soon follow and she was dead in the water. The only way to send for help would be the EPIRB(Emergency Position Indicating Rescue Beacon). If it is kept "armed" the epirb would just need to be switched on and thrown into the water. It will automatically send a distress call with the boat's name and location. When the Andrea Gail's epirb was recovered during the search, it was found to be switched off. . The second theory is that the Andrea Gail parted it's rudder cable. If that happens on either the Grand Banks or George's Banks,the dead boat is carries along until ends up in shallow water and is beaten into pieces by the waves.

[@francessweeney2308]

It happens even today with modern technology. Fishing vessels go out, get into difficulties; they send out a distress call,but by the time help arrives all that's left is the size of paper cups. The more well known is the loss of the F/V Andrea Gail in the 1991 Halloween gale, 7 swordfishermen disappeared off the face of this earth. No distress call,no indication that anything was wrong. After no contact for 12 hours, the Fishing boats out started communication searches and pooled information to establish a possible track for a liferaft or dead boat(a boat that's without power or steering) based on the vessel's last known position. Despite the combined efforts from the Fishing fleet and the coast guard. After 9 days of round the clock searches covering over 100,000 Square miles, the search was permanently suspended and the Andrea Gail was declared lost at sea. Not 1 survivor was found.

[@develynseether4426]

This episode along with DS9 The Sound of Her Voice have got to be two of the most tragic episodes.

[@beyondlimitationsvideo]

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[@mrmrsgamer6938]

@Develyn Seether dont forget DS9s the visitor

[@---Rin---]

@@mrmrsgamer6938 I was just about to say this exact episode. The visitor is SO sad.

[@Locutus]

No, Neelix leaving was the most tragic of episodes.

[@xxxradicaldreamerxxx]

@@mrmrsgamer6938 The Visitor is definitely the saddest DS9 episode ever :(

[@AndrewChapman]

3:15 Kind of fitting how Harry's biomimetic copy is the last man standing as he and Tom Paris's copy were both introduced in the previous Silver Blood episode "Demon". Pity Tom's copy already died earlier, otherwise he and Harry could've been the last two standing as Voyager tore itself apart.

[@barrettross3772]

I would’ve loved that, just the trio as Voyager falls apart.

[@loveparkes]

I love how they tied the duplicates from the demon planets storyline up. it was literally the saddest episode in the series but closure is always good. I remember the voyager flying away and leaving the duplicates on the demon planet the first thing I thought was “what are they going to do?” Well Done.

[@Locutus]

No, Neelix leaving Voyager was the saddest episode in the series.

[@andybeeres2452]

@@Locutus you’ve said that in numerous comments and it’s simply not true but ok.

[@Locutus]

@@andybeeres2452 No, it's true. Most Voyager fans were sad at him leaving.

[@Tylerpierre99]

@@Locutus lies 🤣 I think Kes leaving was sadder because the behind the scenes was a little fractured and she was essentially fired. The scene where Janeway and Kes are discussing her leaving, they both cry and Kate Mulgrew had actual real tears in that scene as she was sad and a bit unhappy that she was leaving. Its no hidden secret that Mulgrew wasn't a fan of the introduction of 7of9 for sex appeal over intelligent characters. Why they couldn't have had both Kes and 7 at the same time I dont know.

[@randomrazr]

@@Tylerpierre99 why did they fire her?

[@Zephal42]

The point of no return was reached when the commander died. Even though Janeway decided to turn the ship around, it was too late. It was that moment in her ready room that Janeway truly should've listened to her first officer.

[@raven4k998]

actually it was to late by the time the first crew started dying because when you think about it they didn't last long enough to make back the the demon planet in time and even had they made it back they were still DOOMED

[@Dantheman-0..1]

⁠@@raven4k998Not necessarily. If they had stopped on the closest M class planet and abandoned the ship and the generator they might have survived. Or if they had turned about immediately for the Demon planet the moment things started to go wrong rather than following a foolhardy mission onward into space they might have made it too. It’s largely only because clone Janeway was unwilling to accept she wasn’t really human and that Earth wasn’t really her home planet that the rest of the crew died. Clone Chakotay by contrast came to terms with the fact he was actually an alien before he died.

[@MichaelTheRead]

Another thirty seconds would have given them possibly enough time to transmit data logs, even incomplete ones. Although, maybe it's better that the true Voyager crew never knew what became of their doppelgangers. I can't imagine the mental scarring that would result from watching a facsimile of yourself disintegrate before your eyes.

[@barrettross3772]

How did the doppelgängers come to be?

[@raven4k998]

@@barrettross3772 the silver blood touched tom and paris copying them then janeway gave it the DNA for the rest of the crew and that was how the came to be watch demon planet it's one of the last episode's in season4

[@randomrazr]

they could have gotton home quicker with the data oon the imprvoed warp drive

[@dot-hubbard-i-luv-my-beretta]

Naomi Wildman, and Harry Kim, are doublegangers, but none of the Voyager fans noticed, I dont think, cause no one ever mentions it. Anothet episode.✍️😷

[@johnwang9914]

Didn't that happen already and didn't Kim and a baby die on one ship and then Kim and the baby from the other doomed ship transfer over... Seems like seeing another you die is a regular occurrence in Star Trek.

[@thefutureisnow7300]

This episode was heartbreaking.

[@psiprime]

And stupid it doesnt make sense

[@raven4k998]

this has to be the ultimate nightmare Scenario for space travel

[@michaeldoliveira720]

The slow motion intro really enhances the depressing nature of this episode when you watch it again. The new drive allowed them to go faster and get further from safety before they realized what happened. They basically celebrated their own destruction.

[@TrollingUGames]

Damn, never really thought of it like that.

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

So many commenters have echoed the impressions of the episode as being immensely sad and depressing. I won't argue, but it’s something more, which I think is unique throughout the entire franchise (at least as it existed through 2005). This is so strikingly nihilistic that I find it hard to believe was ever surpassed in any other entry throughout that 40 year span (though I would welcome some suggestions of other potential candidates). Consider the following. This crew strove to adhere to Federation procedures, to explore unknown space, and most of all, to do their utmost to return home. The fact that it actually wasn't, is irrelevant. These individuals shared everything that made the true Voyager complement so very laudable, in every way. The emotions Paris and Torres shared, no different. Yet, in the end, the sum of all those endeavors came to nothing, with even the means of transmitting the record of their journey, being sabotaged by the very accomplishment that would have so shortened the remainder of the path to Earth, save for the constitution of their true nature. It's unremittingly and indescribably bleak, with ultimately, nothing being able to escape that fate, and even the knowledge of who they were, snatched from ever being realized by their forebears, by the agony of the barest measure of time.

[@ryanjackson3428]

I think it's existential more than nihilstic. Per Nietzsche: "We are responsible to ourselves for our own existence; consequently we want to be the true helmsman of this existence and refuse to allow our existence to resemble a mindless act of chance." Once the duplicates find out they're duplicates, they immediately search for purpose and meaning and cling to it. First returning home, and finally trying to pass on their knowledge. They fail, of course, but so did Sisyphus.

[@JoseSanchez-xj3xn]

I just saw this episode again today after 20 years. A poignant reminder that life isn't fair.

[@kahzhoylow4352]

Sometimes you did all the right things and still lose.

[@ultra6671]

What gets me the most about this whole episode is the look on Harry's face as he loses all hope despite being so close to the real _Voyager_ at 3:08. The ship's clearly falling apart, and all he can do is stare at their one chance at survival being a mere five minutes out of range, which is further punctuated by how distorted the computer sounds.

[@raven4k998]

it could rip the ship apart nope it will tear the ship apart because the ships already coming apart

[@SlyWolf5]

That's still one of the sexiest warp flybys of any ship

[@raven4k998]

it makes you wonder what would have happened if they had landed on that daemon planet would it have helped or would they have continued to disintegrate cause they were just guessing it may help

[@Tylerpierre99]

@@raven4k998 I assumed it would have either stopped their disintegration, leaving them scarred but preventing them dying. On the other hand, it may have rejuvenated them fully?

[@raven4k998]

@@Tylerpierre99 well it probably would have slowed then stopped then rejuvenated them had they reach and landed on a class Y planet assuming that they had the enhanced warp core turned off mind you had that happened who knows maybe they would have adapted to the radiation like they adapted to living in environments other then class Y as the silver blood did show an amazing ability to adapt to it's environment given enough time

[@tropicalhorizongaming5459]

This is one of the episodes that’s stuck in my head.

[@raven4k998]

yeah it is memorable even if it was a sad episode😭

[@Lucas-iw5xo]

This chapter blew my mind, at the time. Which Voyager Adventures have we been watching, the original or the copy?

[@joehoffman672]

I remember in one scene Chakotay was talking about a few events that happened to them after they left the Demon planet . Things that would have happened on screen but we never saw. We can conclude that we were watching the original Voayger's events...

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

Joe Hoffman, Aside from the fact of their having refined the ship's propulsion to far outstrip what Voyager itself could accomplish, I'm not sure why you believe that any events silver Chakotay and Tuvok were reviewing, would have necessarily, also been a duplicate of what Voyager experienced? Once they left their home, even a minor course differential, might well have had them avoid races that Voyager encountered, and vice-versa. It's an interesting recounting to hear, detailing other inhabitants of the DQ, but I don't think any more can be definitively taken from those accounts.

[@DarkXaven]

The writers actually intended for us to wonder about this. However, we know for sure that Thirty Days, and every episode up to this one, was the original Voyager, as Tom Paris got demoted to ensign, an event that didn't occur on the duplicate Voyager. Timeless was the original Voyager, as later episodes mention the slipstream drive, which the creation of was likely inspired by the one from Hope and Fear, making that also the original Voyager. Night and Extreme Risk were also the original Voyager, due to the encounters with the Malon. I would also give Drone to the original Voyager, but it's a bit of a reach. Seven gives Tom the suggestion that he should build his own shuttle, which he did in the following episode, Extreme Risk, which I already gave to the original Voyager. The Flyer isn't mentioned at all in Course: Oblivion, as far as I'm aware, so an argument could be made that the duplicate Tom never built one, but not mentioning something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, so we can't say for sure whether the duplicate Tom built a Delta Flyer or not. This leaves us with five episodes. From season 4, we have One. From season 5, we have In the Flesh, Once Upon a Time, Infinite Regress, and Nothing Human. I haven't been able to confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt that these episodes were the original Voyager. If anyone can find references in these episodes to ones I've already confirmed to be the original Voyager, or find episodes after Course: Oblivion that specifically reference these episodes, it would confirm them to be the original Voyager, but for now, with no definitive proof, these five episodes could've been either crew.

[@Tylerpierre99]

@@DarkXaven I'm convinced that the episode ONE from season 4 was the duplicate crew. A mutara nebul has never before and never since caused the crew to burn to death. This can be explained by both the ship, sevens physiology and the crew all being duplicated by the silver blood. Certain radiation types harm the silver blood. This nebula's radiation and the radiation from the enhanced warpdrive that ultimately kills them. I also believe that the episode Counterpoint may also be the duplicate crewe. The delta flyer is never seen. Though they do make mention of the Devore in a later episode in reference to the Hazari bounty hunters, but that could also mean that both crews tried to sneak past their space. It could also explain why the Devore were quick to cover up their blunder if they'd already failed and the original Voyager escaped them. Twice the failure perhaps? Bride of Chaotica could be either. Though Captain Proton was first seen in the episode Night, that doesnt preclude the possibility that it was not already being used by Tom at the end of season 4, just that the bordem of the void increased his use of the holodeck program as a diversionary escape from it all.

[@DarkXaven]

@@Tylerpierre99 Counterpoint and Bride of Chaotica can't be the duplicate Voyager, as Tom Paris is an ensign in both episodes. Also, Bride of Chaotica is brought up again in the Season 7 episode, Shattered, when Voyager is fractured into different time frames. The holodeck is in the time frame from the Chaotica incident.

[@LordMoonshadowGaGa]

Poor little Silver Bloods. They just wanted to see the stars like their progenitors do.

[@raven4k998]

yeah this is proof why to never forget what you are no matter how badly it was when your past was as forgetting can kill you like it did for them

[@TheFiddleFaddle]

It's easy to see the tragedy of this crew as dead and forgotten, a footnote in a log. But I'm sure they were remembered by the species they helped along the way.

[@Ragitsu]

Actions and reactions echo on throughout the rest of eternity.

[@Sarasdad91]

I was really hoping they'd somehow make it home, but respect what the writers did anyway. Very sad episode.

[@gigas81]

Or at least some other species comes by and helps them.

[@barrettross3772]

@@gigas81 It was never explicitly stated that the silver blood clones died, just that the ship was destroyed.

[@mid-boss6461]

@@barrettross3772*Looks at rest of the episode* Nah, they dead, best we can hope for is the goo landing on a viable planet for potential clones that won't try leaving the planet.

[@Ajax1063]

Such a waste. I always wished that they were able to send that last beacon before being destroyed. So the original Voyager would have at least known about their existence and accomplishments. And it's such a sci-fi teaser that we know that an almost eternal warp drive can exist, just that no one knows about it because the only crew to have invented it all died. Ugh! Smh...

[@raven4k998]

that or last for the real Voyager to help and save them letting them die was a real waste

[@1TheNews]

Another great episode! I kept wondering what those duplicates were up to on that planet. How sad that their history was lost!

[@raven4k998]

Poor poor silver bloods they almost survived but didn't survive long enough to make it to the real Voyager😭😭

[@mariastephens1827]

this episode was literally pure tragedy, nothing else. Just, the depression episode. In fact, I just rewatched it, came here to lament, and now I'm gonna find a fun episode, if I can. holy moly

[@PR--un4ub]

"Concerning Flight."

[@ianbyers1250]

One of the best episodes of Voyager, seconded only by "The Year of Hell"

[@buffaloblack3993]

That episode was hectic

[@RPD49]

Disagree TYoH was great but Equinox was better

[@DavidNicholson101]

@@RPD49 Yeah, which ship suffered more damage lol.

[@miguelaprendizaje.2918]

@@RPD49 Both were great. Voyager start was errátic but had great episodes then and ended well.

[@bethanycousineau197]

I remember watching this on Hulu. This was a sad one:(

[@raven4k998]

yes it is a sad episode makes me sad to watch them all die one by one😢😢😭😭

[@TronixGuy93]

That was a very sad episode. You would have thought that there would have been a record of it in the real ships logs and they would have made and effort to stay in contact or etched messages permanently in other materials that they could communicate with.

[@Ragitsu]

Equal parts disturbing and depressing.

[@raven4k998]

yeah be glad your not degrading like voyager is that would be the worst way to go

[@Ragitsu]

@@raven4k998 It's a question of whether you'd rather instantly cease to exist or slowly disintegrate...

[@Tylerpierre99]

This particular episode is even darker when you consider that Ensign Harper, who in this episode had a baby must have realised her baby isn't real and either died before or was forced to watch her baby waste away and die. Also, Ensign Wildman would have to watch Naomi waste away and die, or Naomi watched her mother die. They never address either of this issues in the episode above mentioning that Harper had a baby, the points are left to your imagination amongst the visibly wasting and dying crew and the ship falling apart bit by bit for no reason other than they forgot the radiation would harm them. They killed themselves by accident and rather than going out with a bang, they were forced to contemplate their fate and their foolishness. 😔 grim

[@AndrewChapman]

And also crew members Mortimer Harren, William Telfer and Tal Celes (who don't actually appear til next season episode "Good Shepherd") never got to go on away missions at all. And Harren constantly shut himself away on deck 15. Unless on the duplicate Voyager, Janeway discovered this sooner than the real Janeway did and allowed them to go on away missions before they eventually discovered they were duplicates.

[@Tylerpierre99]

Strangely enough, I wasn't sad to see Neelix slowly waste away and die. They never show what happened to Tuvok so I'll assume his brain wasted away, he realised logic was wrong and in his deteriorated state, ran through the corridors naked screaming "its all a lie. Voyager was never equipped with tricobalt warheads, our time in the detka quadrant was a lie. It was planned!!".....before janeway guns him down with a phaser.

[@jsmith498]

Lol

[@francessweeney2308]

Janeway's obligation was to respond to the distress call. She only had limited resources, so a thorough forensic investigation is not possible. The sensors showed that there were no escape pods launched, no life signs; just debris the size of paper cups. Unfortunately, they were 12 hours away, too far to have any realistic hope of saving the crew.

[@raven4k998]

well Neelix went the distance there💀💀

[@ChrisRyot]

This is one disturbing episode. Such a devastating and just utterly sad ending.

[@DaneK-m8h]

The most joyous of all Voyager. The humor was excellent comparable to TOS the Trouble with Tribbles. My whole family and I had a good belly laugh with this; more Neelix please!

[@gigas81]

Voyager: We on our way!! We're coming as fast as we can! Hang in there!! Voyager: I don't think we can hold together much longer! Voyager: Yeah you can! We're making a beeline at maximum warp! Voyager: Every systems failing! $(*&%!! That they "just" get there is crazy. Sometimes there isn't a happy ending.

[@dying101666]

it's more realistic and relatable.

[@TheHalorific]

After watching this episode, it chills me to the bone when Harry Kim said that "Our situation's getting worse every day" it's like that with the pandemic we're going through. Then at the last scene when Captian Janeway said at 4:30 that they recieved a distress call from the vessel's last coordenates at 2120. That's backwrads for this year 2021. Strange coincidence. Tell me that doesn't chill you to the bone.

[@jyothishkumar3098]

2120 backwards is not 2021 lmao stop making this conspiracy theory

[@oldtwinsna8347]

It doesn't since the situation was 100% fatal for Voyager and the pandemic we had incurred a 99.7% survival rate.

[@sarahberkner]

It does not. I'm glad the pandemic is over though. While a lot of people just forgot about it and are worried about the next bad thing.

[@josepharnold8422]

The opening scene would tell me this episode had to have a twist when Tom Paris was addressed as Lieutenant when in an earlier episode he was busted down to Ensign.

[@jatmo6991]

Saddest episode of all, and Harry finally got promoted.

[@hydewhyte4364]

Acting ... he never did get the actual promotion

[@josephcavaliere3954]

To bad his first command was his last

[@jsmith498]

Just like Admiral Doenitz.

[@JamesLikesIcedCream]

One thing that annoyed me about the ending was why didnt the true Voyager crew recognise the grey fluid, as they already encountered it on the demon planet and probably have a sample stored? Why wouldnt they investigate the grey substance if the distress call ended in just a log?

[@VAABoy081]

I agree with you! The other sticking point for me was that the original Voyager received the duplicate Voyager’s distress call at 09:00 and arrived at the last known coordinates at 21:20. Surely during that length of time it would have been deciphered that the distress call would have had a Starfleet signature and the vessel registry and ident identifying it as the USS Voyager? Even as heavily damaged as the duplicate USS Voyager was ... that information would surely have been decipherable at the moment of first receipt? Or am I looking into it too much? 🤣

[@heedmywarning2792]

@@VAABoy081 This is what I was thinking. Also... the duplicate voyager was barely able to get a visual... but the original wasn't able to?

[@builder396]

They couldve likely also gotten their own sensor logs from their approach before they put the ship on screen. I mean, what kind of starship wouldnt record every second of sensor data for later review? But apparently because it wasnt put on screen sensors didnt record anything either.

[@VAABoy081]

@@builder396 it’s infuriating isn’t it!! The power output, warp signature, hull composition, power layout, weapons layout and shield harmonics and frequency ... they’d have been looking at a direct copy of their own damn ship and figured everything out if they had run a full long range sensor sweep before intercept ...

[@builder396]

@@VAABoy081 To be fair though, they had heavily modified the warp drive, so the signature of that would be off, shields were knocked offline by the harsh drop out of warp and they had next to no power reserves left anyway, and even if none of those applies, the heavy degradation probably severely skewed most readings, as the ship was liquifying even to the point where it looked somewhat different as well (though not unrecognizably so)

[@sword4005]

ironic Kim get a promotion and voyager is destroyed

[@NahualliUoxtitla]

it's like an Alanis Morissette song

[@crazyrabbits]

He just can't win, in any timeline.

[@ninosvragulja9997]

It is a fixed requirement for the space-time contiunum to exist

[@markcrenshaw9562]

Just wish those aliens would have let that Voyager landed for a while so their ship and crew were able to recover. This was the sadest episode of all time.

[@HelenaRG71]

Just saw this episode again yesterday. Seven built a time capsule (?) with all their memories out of real components, but it got destroyed while they tried to throw it out the regular way. She should have just throw it out herself out of a shuttle bay or another opening directly into space.

[@jamesxenophon9505]

This is the most haunting episode in Star Trek. Imagine waking up one day and finding out you're not you. It's Kafkaesque.

[@spartybrearly7221]

Jeri Ryan is seriously gorgeous 🔥🔥🔥😍😍

[@lucastaylor2321]

Yes.. even here when she was being demolecularised she was hot!!

[@Calzaki]

Wow! They can see a ship 22 light years away while their both travelling several hundred times the speed of light! Impressive

[@builder396]

I assume thats basically a computer rendering based on long range sensor data, which itself wouldnt give a visual image, but the computer can probably interpret enough out of it to make one.

[@Calzaki]

@@builder396 no its just lazy writing

[@builder396]

@@Calzaki I guess 99% of the stuff NASA publishes isnt actually CGI renders based on actual readings then either but just made up. /s I mean, seriously, do you think in the 24th century they cant do things we can already basically do today?

[@Calzaki]

A: 99% of what NASA publishes are real photos but they just obay the laws of science in that their photos of things that happened millions of years ago. B: Even by Star Trek standards 22 light years is a long way. They even say in this scene its the edge of their sensor range (heavily damaged sensors) and yet when he says "on screen" not "show me a simulation of what it might look like" they have enough information to show the shape, class and even the name written on the side?

[@LittleZbot]

@@Calzaki They do that with their sensors all the time, though. Not just this show, but every Star Trek show. What you see on-screen has always been a mere render of what the scans are reading; this is even exploited to trick the Crew in some episodes. The first that pops into my mind is TNG "Peak Performance" when Worf added a program into the sensors so that the crew would see Romulan warships approaching. They weren’t really there, but the sensors picked them up in full detail and gave a render. It's not lazy writing. It's continuity.

[@hectorvasquez8980]

A so sad ending for them! They didn't deserve that.

[@raven4k998]

nope but that star trek for you

[@oscarkoop2548]

I never understood, the warp core apparently caused them to break down but the warp core was made of the same silver blood. So exactly how did that work.

[@cdname47]

4:50 excuse me Tom? Have you not listened to a word the captain has ever said to you. She hates being called Sir....Jesus Paris pay attention.

[@donaldwilliamson1227]

I don't think Janeway even noticed.

[@Locutus]

Get a grip. It's not as if he says it every episode.

[@ChrisRyot]

I'm just wondering if Seven had any saying for her security code... Tuvok: "Alright, since you've been behaving rather tolerable as of lately, the captain has decided to grant you security access. It's not that she listened to any of my interventions but since I got fuck all to say here, I couldn't give it any second try. So, I could give you 'Seven of Nine Alpha 5391 Pi'. How does that sound?" Seven: "Yeah you know, it's cool n shit, but I don't really feel it. What about 'Seven Doomslayer 69'?" Tuvok: "Seriously?" Seven: "Yeah I know, it's a little over the top for those Starfleet nerds. Oh! We had this thing back in the Borg collective that we were trying to create, this Omega particle. Lovely little fella but mad like a bitch. Always exploding in our faces, uuggh. Anyways. It's kind of a kink to me so how does 'Seven of Nine Omega 593' sound? The number's a hint at how many assimilations I carried out in my freshman year at the Borg junior college." Tuvok: "Whatever. I would've given you the Doomslayer thing but the new one's in the database now so we're done here." Seven: "Cheers mate!"

[@UnearthlyTimelord2005]

Who Is That Random Guy In Yellow In Engineering He Looks Fine

[@TheAverageYouCuber]

Seemingly he's the only one that never got drunk!

[@bestever7151]

@@TheAverageYouCuber he was that one crew member that got on the wrong ship after they were copied

[@TheAverageYouCuber]

@@bestever7151 Spot on, mind you it is thought provoking, although I can't help but imagine that the scenario is rather reminiscent of that of a bunch of deprived moon shiners in a pickup truck who are all rattling whilst getting lost on the way to the licker store on time before it closes!

[@Commanderziff]

An extra they didn't have time to put make-up on.

[@UnearthlyTimelord2005]

@@Commanderziff thanks

[@timower5850]

It seems a certainty that the events being recounted by Chakotay and Tuvoc, as they attempted to pinpoint the event that set this all in motion, all happened to this duplicate crew; that being so, they would not be completely forgotten, for they actually did interact with "real" species.

[@NahualliUoxtitla]

This episode always depressed the fuck out of me. It was the exact opposite feeling I got from Year of Hell. Especially the part when the dupes lose the probe with all their information. Wouldn't it have been fascinating if Voyager found just the probe. Sort of like Harry sending a message back to himself in "Timeless". Anyways, yes this episode always messed me up.

[@randomrazr]

if they survived the real voyager could have gottent heir enhanced warp drive technology

[@herrsan]

An the entire time, the Doctor is anxiously waiting in sick bay because noone thought about keeping the hologramm in the loop. the usual

[@rickymiller8539]

He went offline during this episode.

[@TurKlack]

I think this was hte first Voyager episode I've seen when i was a child... really terrified me.

[@matthewgreenwood4286]

This episode still gets me

[@DayneTreader]

I just know that Voyager was absolutely hauling ass to try and make it when they detected the Federation-encoded distress signal. Shame they weren't able to make it in time.

[@killerpeech]

Ngl, this episode kept me in a 45 min state of stress and anxiety.

[@hectorvasquez8980]

A so sad episode. They didn't deserve an end like that. 😥

[@GameslordXY]

I avoid watching videos from this episode, as amazing as it was,it was even more depressing. Possibly most depressing Star Trek episode that I have ever seen.😭😭😭😭😭

[@sarahberkner]

To me it wasn't so much sad as improbable, why would they forget that they're clones?

[@Lucaca-vp7po]

Definitely one of the saddest moments in fiction

[@georgeparker8198]

Name a more depressing episode of Star Trek and i'll buy you a beer

[@PraxusUK]

Inner light was pretty sad to be fair. And "the visitor", too.

[@johnwayne8494]

Hard Time

[@evertonporter7887]

Children Of Time.

[@JustPippaNY]

Twilight.

[@sarahberkner]

I'm going to say Hard Time was more depressing, because it's more like something that could happen in real life. And if you're going to save money by punishing people with a program, you would think it would rehabilitate them somehow instead of leaving them traumatized and useless to society. When I say this episode couldn't happen I'm not even talking about the fact that they're clones, but that they all forgot they're clones.

[@halwasserman7905]

What the hell, man? A big no thank you to this immensely depressing episode. Watching it you wonder did all the episodes between this one and the demon planet episode feature the duplicates, or is this the only time that we see them? When did they leave the planet and why don't they remember doing so? Much of this episode seems vague and undeveloped. I don't know who could have greenlit it.

[@sarahberkner]

I agree, I don't see why they would have forgotten that they were clones, and in the demon episode Clone Harry desperately wanted to go down to the planet.

[@DaneK-m8h]

How many people here can be that gullible having their emotions rocked by a Voyager writer writing this mush? Right now it's almost 400! It scares me...

[@timower5850]

@@sarahberkner OMG! They explained that!

[@allenspearing9143]

This was my favorite episode of Star Trek Voyager

[@yami359]

I’ve just realised with what Janeway said for the log at the end it took them 12 hours to get there?

[@dustinkelmer5794]

idk what kind of work schedule they got, and 12 hours plus on is rather rough

[@robertballasty395]

Works well with duplicate-Seven saying they had only 10 hours of air left. They would have been dead even if the whole ship hadn't disintegrated. Also, duplicate Harry said the ship was 22 light-years away when they detected it, and they had to drop the ship out of warp to divert power to the one working comm channel they had left (probably a basic automatic disaster beacon - programmed with whatever SOS equivalents they discovered were in common usage in the Delta Quadrant). Non-canon, non-binding Star Trek (24th century non-duplicate Starfleet) rule-of-thumb was basic sustained cruising was ~5 light-years per day (which works fairly well with the Voyager notion that 75000 light-years would take 75 years - long-long-term sustained cruising would average

[@builder396]

@@robertballasty395 Doesnt really account for the fact that the duplicate Voyager used a modified drive that could cruise much faster than the original Voyagers maximum speed. It just runs a little hot and kills the copy crew. Teething problems, eh?

[@robertballasty395]

@@builder396 Well, the duplicate ship was falling apart at that point, so their experimental drive clearly wouldn't be running at top "only two years to the alpha quadrant" efficiency. Also, the drive wasn't "running hot". It was running as they expected and presented no hazard to the normal matter they thought they were. It was destabilizing every bit of "silver fluid" duplicate matter on the ship or that was part of the ship, but any matter that was brought on board after the duplicate Voyager left the original demon planet remained stable.

[@builder396]

​@@robertballasty395 "Running hot" referred to a line that Torres uttered when handing Engineering over to Seven before going to her Honeymoon, where she said the Dilithium Matrix runs a little hot, so Sevel should keep a close eye on it. Everything else you listed was fairly obvious, but even in its deteriorated state the upgraded drive would likely have been quite fast.

[@woodyallen8997]

I was absolutely certain that with Harry in charge this would be the final episode in the series. Boy, was I disappointed.

[@jimhuffman9434]

The ship's melting!

[@kossttamojaan]

still gets me

[@jephphtou9501]

Voyager at maximum warp is awesome!

[@darkjediMIK]

I think if they had remembered that they were not human, they could’ve sacrificed life support completely and maybe survived a little longer…

[@Morsurator]

Mr Paris resume course. Aye sir o_O

[@TheAverageYouCuber]

I was wondering that myself Morsurator! We wonder what the Captain's log supplemental is going to be for that one?? Captain Catherine Janeway is now apparently a dude!Did we all 'miss' an episode or something?? 😳

[@dominiclastchance9579]

@@TheAverageYouCuber "Aye sir" is the appropriate affirmative response to superiors in Star Fleet. I believe it is the same way today in the British Royal Navy. "Sir" is an honorific title for knights. It is not meant as a gender title. In a military structure it would seem preferably for subordinates to refer to their superiors with the appropriate honorific title of an officer, rather than a gender feminine title such as "madame" or "my lady."

[@TheAverageYouCuber]

@@dominiclastchance9579 Am totally aware my friend, it's only proper maritime decorum or proper manners of respect for acknowledging senior ranks or echelons at the higher chain(s) of command. Just a tiny joke in reference from Tom Paris as we are all used to Tom acknowledging Captain Janeway as "Yes Mam" although within Naval circles the masculine equivalence is also acceptable as there's hardly much distinction between both genders from that of a civilian environment ie outside of the military!

[@poppyreads736]

Yeah. Don’t dare call a woman “sir” in the Navy. At least, it used to be that way. Maybe some women want to be called sir now days.

[@starfleetcaptain5413]

Art mirrors life and life mirrors art.

[@worldbestt-shirtshoodie-go6184]

She is not intelligent . ..... in NX01 Tucker said same, it will tear ship apart, without sensors it would be better just stay like they were, wait for Voyager, make double warp field like NX01 did around, beam survivors, stabilize the core, or eject it after distancing and transplant parts ... Ps. What episode and season was it?

[@NormandySR2XO]

Make a note in the ship record. Received a destess call at 09.00 hours. Arrived at the vessel last know co-ordantes 21.20. The ship was destroyed. Course unknown no survivors.

[@SiveenO]

This episode always disturbs me.

[@spartybrearly7221]

As acting Captain, Harry should have promoted himself to Lieutenant

[@pwnmeisterage]

So this amazing "biomemetic silver blood" can duplicate people, computers, holograms, replicators, antimatter reactors, warp engines, starships. Can it duplicate Borg cubes? Can it duplicate Species 8472?

[@juanseberino5456]

I was curious about the ensign in engineering with 7 he didn’t seem to be affected by the degradation whatsoever.

[@juanseberino5456]

So I went back to look at the episode on Netflix and the in some scenes they do show him with green, but doesn’t he look like he’s hiding?

[@raven4k998]

so his make up fell off or something to that effect sue paramount for not keeping the make up going

[@Lee-zw5km]

Is this entitled "in the flesh?" we are reaching series 5 in the UK. Thanks

[@TrollingUGames]

Hey sorry, it's Season 5 Episode 18 - Course Oblivion

[@molybdaen11]

I never understand why they did not developed a plan to sneak on the planet. Or replicating similar conditions on the ship. Instead they went on a long journey knowing that the warp field will harm them.

[@chinuaachebe6860]

I had no idea this episode existed, always imagined the duplicates from Demon created their own civilisation on that planet 🙁

[@TrollingUGames]

:(

[@JoseMolina-ij3xx]

If the Founders had found the ship, it would have been an interesting first contact.

[@DJ_Force]

Looks like the VFX team just got a warping plug-in installed.

[@miguelaprendizaje.2918]

Amazing episode.

[@tjames9698]

I guess we’ll never know why the inhabitants of the “Demon Class” planet didn’t allow them to land.

[@alyzluke801]

Duplicate Janeway didn't want to go back.

[@molybdaen11]

The thought that the Voyager were stealing they mining sites. The Voyager did not even tried to stay and work on a plan.

[@NormandySR2XO]

Computer, prepare to eject the warp core. Authision Seven of Nine, omgia five nine there. Warp core ejection systems online. EJECT THE CORE.

[@maxpower2511]

Even if they made it back, most of that crew was dead anyway

[@BingCherry11]

This would have been a perfect spot for "Q" to appear and easily and effortlessly rescue the clones!!!! What would happen next I don't know but the point is that an omnipotent being can change any situation at any time!!! Lol!!!

[@molybdaen11]

Jes but he had enough trouble from interfering with the other voyager and the 2 enterprise captains

[@DavidNicholson101]

@@molybdaen11 What captain besides Picard did Q pester?

[@molybdaen11]

@@DavidNicholson101 Janeway of course. Also there are some episodes with Captain Kirk if I remember correctly.

[@DavidNicholson101]

@@molybdaen11 You did say Enterprise captain, so it threw me off.

[@molybdaen11]

@@DavidNicholson101 Last time I checked Kirk was the captain of the enterprise in the original Star trek series.

[@Mindraker1]

Then un-FUSE them!

[@sprint429]

Some good stories don’t end well.

[@stavros1216]

Since I didn't watch the show, could someone explain exactly to me, what happened?

[@Gartneren1234]

First, a little history lesson; Back in about season 3 of Star Trek Voyager, the crew onboard Voyager encountered a class L demon planet, which they decided to stop by in order to refuel on dilithium, and to investigate strange readings from the atmosphere, hoping that they would find an energy source capable of increasing their Warp capabilities. The planet turned out to be extremely hostile though, and the Away team had to be evacuated in a hurry and beamed directly to the sickbay. Only that when the crew arrived on Voyager, they choked; the air onboard was poisoning their bodies, and they nearly died, only being rescued by the quick thinking of the Doctor on board who at the last minute pumped his sickbay full of a specially prepared mixture of gases which would simulate the atmosphere on the planet. It turns out that the crew members they have beamed up are not who they appear to be; rather, they are clones, who have been given the body, the apparance, even the memories, of the crew members who were sent down to the planet. Voyager ends up having to land on the surface of the planet, in order to attempt to rescue their missing crew members, while the clones are escorted to the brig. I will not go over the detailed plot of the episode, but what you need to know is that in the end it is revealed that the Demon planet is home to a strange, silver liquid, nicknamed the Silver Blood. The liquid has no solid form, and until Voyager arrived, it had no consciousness of its own. When in contact with DNA however, the liquid is capable of cloning whatever creature it has touched. Now capable of thinking, the Silver Blood refuses to allow the Voyager crew to be released. One of the clones, however, is able to negotiate with Janeway on behalf of the Silver Blood, and a peace treaty is reached upon in which the Silver Blood agrees to release the crew members, who turns out to be uninjured and in good shape, in exchange for Janeway surrendering one DNA sample for every crew member on board her ship. The Crew also leaves behind small pieces of technology, as requested by the Silver Blood, and to provide the now cloned crew with the necessary equipment needed to start a new life on the surface of the Demon planet. Fast forward two seasons until the end of Season 5. The Silver Blood has evolved beyond all imagining; from only being able to clone DNA, it has gone on to being capable of cloning technology. This eventually results in the Voyager itself being cloned, complete with a warp core (Dunno how the heck that happened), a duplicated Doctor with a mobile emitter, and everything else Voyager would have had on board at the time it landed on the planet. Now 2years away from the events that occurred, the cloned crew have long since forgotten about their origins; they have fully taken on the identities of the original Voyager crew, and have decided to resume their journey towards Earth, seemingly just assuming that their Away Mission took much longer than first expected. Voyager 2 would roam the Delta Quadrant for a couple of months, leading up to the events of the Star Trek Voyager episode Course:Oblivion. The episode starts with Tom Paris and B'elenna getting married onboard, but things begins to go horribly wrong. The ship mysteriously begins to lose its structural integrity, lightning and electrical power ceases to function randomly across the vessel, and the crew suddenly begins to fall ill with mysterious symptoms that even baffles the Doctor on board. The Doctor desperately begins to look for a cure to the mysterious disease that has taken the ship, but all his attempts fail. Finally, after just a few weeks of being married with Tom, B'ellenna succumbs to her illness and dies, striking fear into everyone on the ship knowing that their disease can be fatal. At the request of the captain, and after seeking approval from a grief-stricken Tom, the Doctor performs an autopsy on B'elenna, and takes numerous samples and tests, which finally reveals the truth about their origins. The crew learns that they are mere clones of the original Voyager crew, which takes everyone aback, realizing that they may risk getting back home to Earth to find copies of themselves already with their loved ones. But these realizations are only the beginning of their nightmares. The Doctor also discovers that their bodies are completely dependent on the Demon planet to survive. They cannot live without the atmosphere and the Silver Blood that created them. For every passing day, their genetic codes will decay, the ship will degrade into nothing, and they will slowly wither away into death. Even the Doctor is not spared this; his the first one on board after B'elenna to pass on into oblivion. Janeway refuses to give up; she is determined to find a way to bring her crew back to Earth, even if it means they will have to live with the knowledge of having identical copies of themselves. But severe hull breaches and the death of her close friends, forces Janeway into considering the alternatives. She decides to change course for an L-class planet that is similar to the Demon Planet, so that they can take the time to reconsider and repair their ship. Unfortunately, they encounter a hostile specie who refuses them the safe haven of the planet, and the subsequent battle sees Janeway's passing shortly afterwards, with Chakotay taking command and deciding to turn around, and try to make for their "new" home as he calls it. They fight for days, weeks, eventually months, in order to reach the demon planet, but they die like flies. This leads up to the clip seen here.

[@stavros1216]

@@Gartneren1234 Oh thank you very much

[@kahzhoylow4352]

@@Gartneren1234 Deuterium

[@PyroJohn19]

Why would life support like ten hours of air be important to the Silvers? I thought they breathed an inhospitable atmosphere? Wouldn't life support better be suited as energy to like the engines?

[@Hei_Darkfire]

Even if it's a different atmosphere they still gotta breathe right? There's your answer. It might be different life support but it is still life support. Of course, I don't know much about this, so I could be wrong.

[@cameronchesters5300]

@@Hei_Darkfire you are right, they changed the life support system to mimic the conditions of the Silver Blood planet.

[@chrispeplinski7306]

This was a sad episode

[@julioc.7760]

its SEASON 5, EPISODE 17TH

[@Jonathan32177]

plot hole ? shouldnt they have detected the dumped warp core ? seems like that would have been some useful spare parts to have around .

[@lewiskazinsky7334]

The warp core was made of the same fluid. I imagine once it was ejected it would’ve collapsed completely, considering how severely the ship itself was breaking down.

[@agquad]

Probably disintegrated after the antimatter breached containment.

[@sarahberkner]

The plot hole to me is that they all forgot they were clones.

[@Mantades]

Crew is dying one by one and Janeway still want to push forward... Kind of unrealistic (considering her personality so far), but then again, she is only a copy. Maybe much less then perfect one.

[@lewiskazinsky7334]

You have to assume there’s some mental degradation too. If the body is falling apart then it’d spread to the brain, destroying reasoning and planning centres. What we’re seeing is them going through the motions. Holding course, maintaining life support, rerouting power - it sounds complex, but those are just glorified survival instincts

[@raven4k998]

it shows how the silver blood could copy them but still not copy the self preservation instincts that the real crew where born with to the same levels of intensity because the silver blood copies do not seem to care about survival as much as you think they should in orbit of the class y planet they could had used the polaron pulse to try and disable weapons controls on the attacking ship but nope we either run away or destroy them the real captain janeway was more about disabling the attackers for the most part anyways which shows how flawed they were it's one thing to think your the voyager crew it's another to forget about what you are and where you came from some many star trek episodes where the star fleet crew studies where it came from to understand it self yet the silver blood does not want to remember were it came from which turned out to be deadly to it in the end so what if it's beginnings as goo were not ideal humans evolved from goo to just a different type watch star trek tng all good things for more info on it

[@sarahberkner]

It didn't make any sense that they forgot they were clones and suddenly wanted to head home. Clone Harry in the Demon episode desperately wanted to go down to the planet.

[@Mantades]

@@sarahberkner Actually it can be explained quite easily. Harry's clone was off the planet for a short time, so he still felt the urge to come back (probably his full transition wasn't complete). The clones of the crew stayed on the planet for enough time to transform completely, including their memories and needs, so they went off and didn't feel the urge to come back.

[@Howlrunner82]

Shouldn't the probe they build survive the destruction? Its not like the ship blew up or something

[@ColvyMolvy]

I'm guessing it's made of the same material they are

[@sprint429]

The deformation of the ship’s interiors probably crushed it.

[@MIDI_Player_Kion]

2:54 2:55

[@luvmenow33]

This episode was one of the few throughout all of the different Star Trek series that really had me feeling like crap when it was over. You know I understand those who wanted to see these kinds of things but I have to be honest, having grown up watching TOS reruns in the 80s and TNG during its original run I miss the days of Star Trek being a hopeful look at a future where everything is bright. I know that's not reality based but why do we need reality in our TV shows when we have it all around us 24/7. Is there anything wrong with dreaming of a beautiful future where everyone is happy and safe and life is peaceful? w Why do we need to see pain and death in our fantasies when we have it around us all the time? Isn't that the reason Star Trek was dreamed up in the first place so that we could see there was a way out when it looked like the end of humanity was knocking at the door and could happen any moment?

[@sarahberkner]

If it makes you feel better, this is so unrealistic, they wouldn't have forgotten that they were clones and left that planet and headed for Earth. And you're being unrealistic about your surroundings, you're being pessimistic, that's not the same thing as realistic. You pay attention to the negative stuff so you think it's more common than it is, or at least you did in this comment. Stop watching the evening news and look up positive things happening in the world, that's my unsolicited advice.

[@EyesofOd]

Wwjd What would Janeway do

[@tupacshakur1568]

They aren’t going to collect an extra warp core?

[@TrollingUGames]

they died

[@tupacshakur1568]

@@TrollingUGames the response you have given is invalid. Please check the question again and try again later.

[@ahhlewis]

@@tupacshakur1568 why do you expect the warp core to survive when it was made of the same fluid as the ship?