Star Trek War : A Victorious Dominion

[@LoreReloaded]

Whats up everyone, for those interested.. Patreons and Discord Folks got this video early (Patreons earlier then those in the discord).. If you want to get stuff early - consider those routes.. Thanks for watching, look forward to ya'lls thoughts on the video ;)

[@Will831100]

Lore Reloaded, first vid back for me after chrimbo. Hope you had a good one.

[@LoreReloaded]

+Will Wilson I did..and to you as well!

[@diegocarrillo7211]

Lore reloaded I have a question. Do we know how many ships the dominion have? Is there any Star Trek book or information that explains the dominion’s full military or what there fleets are mostly comprised of.

[@Nostripe361]

Overall pretty good. Only real issue I had was with how far you went with the blight. Humans do still have their uses after all. I could still see it being used on earth but I feel the dominion would stop it from getting off world. Making it Both a carrot and a stick. Making officially look like they were helping with the quarantine but with the heavy hint that this could happen again in the unfortunate case that resistance delays their response to another outbreak. Thus gaining more control over human colonies.

[@readhistory2023]

The Romulans could have just dropped one of their artificial quantum singularity drives into a star. I have no idea what a miniature black hole would do to a star but it wouldn't be good. Or they could simply drop one on a planet. The gravitational shear would wreck havok on the weather or even gobble the planet up. Add to that they can't be turned off once it was started and the Dominion could possibly be forced to sign at least a temporary truce or loose all their holdings in the Alpha and Beta Quadrant. It's a extreme use of force but it's that or "kiss the ring" since the Dominon would win a war of attrition or use similar planet busters themselves. Or...build a very heavily shielded ship, fill it with water, then ram it into a planet at light speed. That should do the trick too.

[@gups6662]

Data starts mass building himself, and ST Data begins. That tied with the voyager upgrades would keep races that have become damned near extinct out of much of the fighting. Also using the Voyager Holo doc systems for man power

[@vincentscott4695]

Gups That means Data have to find some planet to hide from The Dominion, probably the same planet where his evil brother Lore set up for himself and free Borg drones!

[@MasonicKryptonite]

I would totally watch that. As a matter of fact, someone should pitch that to CBS.

[@Darlf_Sevil]

Them picard was killed and q erese dominium like they was never happend xx

[@ContemporaryCompendium]

I've always wanted to see a heavily militarized Federation fleet, even though it would go against what the Federation stands for. However, this wouldn't be about revenge. It would be about survival. The Dominion would get to see firsthand the oft-underestimated power of the Human spirit and tenacity.

[@LoreReloaded]

I think you saw a pretty heavily militarized feet mid and end of the dominion war..

[@ContemporaryCompendium]

Lore Reloaded I'm not talking about various class ships in combat, I'm talking about full on warships built for nothing but the destruction of their enemy. The Defiant class is one but seeing as how there only seemed to be one in action throughout the entire war, (I'm sure I'm wrong about that), it doesn't seem as though the Federation was all that committed to it. But I'll add that although I love Trek, I'm pretty shoddy on some lore and fleet specifics.

[@connormachin151]

@@ContemporaryCompendium like in picard?

[@obamaslastkidneystone7084]

TheOracle8191 fax I wanna see humanity fighting for survival doing whatever it takes. Making ships that make the defiant look like a joke

[@dreamingflurry2729]

@@LoreReloaded Not enough, that was a regular human fleet - still using a lot of outdated ships (even the Excelsiors are reaching the end of there lifespan, otherwise they wouldn't be used as glorified courier-vessels for admirals to use! Sure they still pack a punch, but frankly a Defiant punches harder and it needs less crew!) or ships only made ready for war after they had been completed (with a few exceptions like the Defiants, the Akiras, the Steamrunners etc.)...a Galaxy-Class may be modular and very tanki and also a hard hitter in Dominion-War-Refit, but frankly it still kind of is a damn Cruise-Ship (built to half-way-military-standards, like the old Ocean-Liners were that were used as Auxiliary-Cruisers in WW1 and before!) with tons of phasers and torpedo-launchers bolted on! A design with war in mind (like the Sovereign-Class!) is still superior in this field and probably not that much worse as an exploration ship (because even warships need top notch sensors, there maybe less lab-space, but that isn't that bad and there's of course no families on board! So yeah, the warships win here!)

[@assemblyrequired7342]

I think that the Starfleet leaders tasked with protecting the core worlds would be VERY tempted to make the Dominion pay for every inch of space close they made it to Earth and such. If Starfleet Intelligence knew that the Founders would likely commit genocide after the war, that makes it all the more likely, since they are already dead anyways. The Andorians, being a warrior race, would probably totally be on board for this plan, while the Vulcans would be more for trying to find a way to preserve Federation culture in some way. I think that in the end, there would be a compromise between the two, where a fleet of starliners, and explorers and surveyors such as the Galaxy, Ambassador, Andromeda, Renaissance, Nova, Intrepid, Nebula, and maybe a few Sovereign class starships are secretly sent away from Federation territory. Maybe a few Oberths might be given instructions to just make a break for it too. Not all of them, mind you, but just enough that they could fool everyone into thinking they went missing or were destroyed. Any explorers that were on 5 or more year missions that hadn't made it back home yet would be discretely transmitted instructions for to them to stay away from the Federation, and if possible, rendezvous with the outbound fleet. I see the Federation perhaps trying to use the time it takes for the Jem'Hadar ships to travel to Earth to fortify their defenses, and protecting Sol with a viciousness similar to the Battle of Britain. Same thing for attempting to build more orbital defenses for member planets, making them harder to take. In the mean time, every shipyard in the Federation would be commandeered, and be pumping out Akiras, Sabers, Defiants, Norways, and Steamrunners like never before, if only to keep up appearances. Civilian ships might be modified to fight, either by their owners along the lines of the Rebel Alliance, or because Starfleet commandeered them, or both. Any that are captured by the Dominion could be programmed and rigged to self-destruct the moment their sensors detect any Jem'Hadar or Vorta anyways. But there is the possibility that morale would drop to the point that officers even start to abandon their posts. And the Jem'Hadar would also likely encounter resistance similar to the Nazis with the Marquis, though I don't expect them to have much success. Once the Jem'Hadar have

[@matthewcaughey8898]

Some of those combat ships will have to be diverted to providing your exploration ships with big guns

[@Spino2Earth]

No one attacks my homeworld and lives!! Earth, Qo'nos and Romulus above all!

[@KH4444444444N]

Woven into threads that bind us. Each of us, to each other.

[@Spino2Earth]

@@KH4444444444N ?

[@KH4444444444N]

@@Spino2Earth Yes?

[@Spino2Earth]

@@KH4444444444N Maybe.

[@TheBigExclusive]

Good video but I think you underestimated two things. First, is that I believe *if* the Federation would be pushed to the breaking point, then all the banned secret weapons, and time-travel technologies that the Federation (and Section 31) had locked up would suddenly be put into use. They wouldn't let the Federation fall. Maybe they just use a couple Genesis Devices on key Dominion worlds. Or, I could totally see them traveling back in time to prevent the Dominion from ever winning. Second, is Gul Dukat. I believe it was hinted at that in the show (particularly in the comics, and books) that Dukat had plans. In particular to discover the secret of the Jem Hadar,. I can see Gul Dukat taking over production of "Alpha Quadrant" Jem Hadar that would be loyal to Cardarssians (and ultimately himself). Cardassians would be the new "Founders". Gul Dukat would "Order 66" all his enemies and take over leadership.

[@GermanLeftist]

@Professeur Râleur Or have the Dominion get its hand of time travel technology at hand and suddenly you have a time war.

[@fawkewe]

Gul Dukat probably did want to do that but i highly dought the founders would let him do that. Of coarse they wouldn’t know that but they aren’t stupid enough to give in there eyes a politcal figure head (who cleary acts in favour of his species btw.) control of producing there army

[@michaelhviper]

Imagine if one on the weapons they held back was a revived and reprogrammed Doomsday Machine from TOS. If it was programmed to only attack Dominion ships and not attack friendly or neutral world's and let loose. But then again Section 31 would be taking a chance that what happened in the Doomday Machine's home galaxy might happen all over again. In this case, it would turn in them and destroy the galaxy.

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

One thing is forsure. The Borg will definitely take interest is the Dominion since they defeated the Federation. The Federation being the Borg's most tricky enemy.

[@scarface1138]

In other words, a Star Trek Battlestar Galactic.

[@LoreReloaded]

+scarface1138 Battlestar Galactica meets Star wars

[@scarface1138]

Lore Reloaded good point. If only Weyoun was as incompetent as General Hux.

[@JeanLucCaptain]

EXACTLY!!! MAYBE THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN BSG?!

[@johnnyscifi]

Ronld d moore had allot to do with both DS9, and the BSG remake...;)

[@johnnyscifi]

scarface1138 Weyun is pretty incompetant...hence his many, many deaths, on and off-screen!!

[@philgutierrez7756]

You have forgotten the biggest factor; the Borg. They came to earth to change history and still would. No federation defenses left so they would succeed and the federation not being born but the Borg assimilating earth, the founders would need to rethink their plans and worry about losing to them.

[@LoreReloaded]

Battle of Sector 001 (First Contact) was in 2373 - Operation return was in 2374 (I might have misstated the dates in the video)

[@vincentscott4695]

Phil Gutierrez The Borg will have to bring several more cubes to fully assimilated the entire Alpha and Gamma Quadrants!!

[@jacobkleinsasser5658]

Issue with Quark's price of freedom idea. Historically it has never been true. During stalemates neither side would attempt to achieve peace because in a stalemate you aren't winning, but you aren't loosing. Peace is at a premium when 1 side holds a distinct advantage.

[@QuintMarvel]

Honestly, when you said the part where Humanity would be affected by the Blight, I shuttered. The idea that the Dominion would engineer the death of the species is genuinely disturbing.

[@Lukos0036]

The Pah' Wraiths. They could close the wormhole at the cost of one single person. A host to carry them to the wormhole. But that still wouldn't address the Dominion's war machine. They would have stripped entire systems to build their fleets by then. Entire populations enslaved to build their ships. A simple military victory would likely be unattainable. They would need to find a way to tear the dominion apart from the inside. If they had access to Voth technology they could simply transwarp to the founders home world and release a more immediately lethal virus to kill them off entirely. The Dominion is top heavy. Without the founders to keep everything running they crumble. The Jem Hadar are barely controllable even with the founders constantly holding their hands and they and the Vorta hate one another. The death of 90% of their population would leave the founders in the alpha quadrant vulnerable and isolated. Their relatively small populations would be easier to find and poison. But it would be most effective if it happened everywhere at once.

[@FireRevanShadow]

I don't think you can count on the federation fleet that left. In season 3 of Enterprise, we saw a human fleet go and make a new colony. I think history tends to repeat itself, especially in star trek. I think the fleet would run for decades and settle down and make a new federation elsewhere. Coming back would put in jeopardy the civilians they had. Oh and the klingons would be assimilated into this new Federation.

[@riccardomedori4920]

Revan yes but in that episode they were destroyed anyway. The Xindi didn't want survivors, the Dominion will be even more ruthless.

[@FireRevanShadow]

riccardo medori I don't think the dominion would care about a fleet of ships running away. We saw fleets of refugees flee the dominion in DS9. The dominion probably wouldn't care. But if they did return, then the dominion would care and the humans and other species in dominion space could pay for it (like what the dominion did to the cardassians because of the resistance)

[@JeanLucCaptain]

The 12 COLONIES of Earth?

[@DavidLemmo]

The Xindi didn't want humans to survive, because the sphere builders told them that the humans would destroy their future homeworld. Had the Sphere Builders not driven the Xindi towards destruction of human civilization, they would have eventually destroyed themselves in civil war. Xindus (homeworld of the Xindi) had 6 races of sentient technologically advanced lifeform, but they eventually succumbed to hatred of one another and ended up destroying their homeworld in a global war between the 6 races. The war not only cost Xindus, but destroyed the Xindi Avian race.

[@DavidLemmo]

iven the Klingon need for combat, I cant see them joining into the Federation, especially since they have been engaged in conflict with the federation on and off for centuries. Even decades after the Khitomer accords, the dying Chancellor K'mpec warned his designated Arbiter of Succession that whomever poisoned him would have the potential to go to war with the Federation.

[@gusngregg5127]

The Dominion wins but the founders died. GO!

[@LoreReloaded]

ON IT

[@DblOSmith]

Dominion falls apart and a new race rises.

[@MrStabby19812]

We allready saw the tension between the alpha and gamma Jem haddar would be a royal mess with no founders

[@Quake_VODS]

I feel like Voyager's fleet would act like the Rebel Allience and the Dominion like the Empire

[@LoreReloaded]

Yea, it's very star wars and BSG-y at this point..

[@TerranceChilds-ui8nh]

This back down is real good

[@allnamesaretakenful]

I'm really looking forward to the next video.

[@isfj1009]

How about this - Starfleet would make a deal with the Klingons - Romulans would be on their own. The carrot to elicit cooperation from the Klingons? Starfleet would share some technology (weaponry and shielding) it acquired from its encounter with the Cytherian civilization and the Voyager's encounters with the Borg and Species 8472 in the Delta Quadrant. The Klingon military would fall back deep within Klingon space to rebuild it's fleet. However, with Dominion presence becoming heavy in what was Federation space, Starfleet took a different approach - using Graviton technology received from the Cytherians, Starfleet would transport its armada light years away, within the Delta Quadrant. I would imagine it would take less than 3 years for Starfleet and the Klingons to develop an armada of ships fully capable of taking on the Dominion in the Alpha/Beta Quadrant. And in an all-or-nothing campaign, armed with highly advanced Borg tech, Cytherian tech, and tech brought back by future Admiral Janeway, the Klingons and Starfleet armadas would win engagement after engagement against the Dominion; the Klingons along the perimeter of Dominion space and pushing in, and Starfleet, using their Graviton jumpdrives, to establish multiple jump points deep within Dominion space and severely fracturing is military presence.

[@thomasn3882]

Towards the end of the final season, I heard about a "surprise ending" for the series. I though it would be the Tamarians entering the war against the Dominion and helping destroy them. Since a single Tamarian ship kicked the hell out the Enterprise in one-on-one combat in the Darmok episode, they seemed like a potential powerhouse race to align with. The "surprise" turned out to be the Cardassians rebelling en masse against the Dominion.

[@ptolalibertad]

Costly only matters if you actually care, and the founders care a little for anything but themselves so all the dead soldiers and vorta would not matter at all to them

[@JJMHigner]

The Dominion War was pure and simple the best and bad-ass conflict in Sci-Fi, TV history, even now.

[@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus]

True, and DS9 is the best sci-fi show ever.

[@g.b.1224]

Oh, do the founders are dead episode please.

[@LoreReloaded]

I'll throw it in the hopper.

[@carlknight2251]

It would deepen at what stage in the war. I seem to recall that when the Dominion occupied Deep Space Nine there was a plan to poison the ketracel white supply and the Cardassian had already figured out how remove the mines from the Wormhole. I would imagine that if the Founders died then the Vorta may have committed suicide and the Cardassians would have been able to poison the ketracel white supply. That would result in the Cardassians having access to Dominion technology and ships. There was a scene where Damar said he would like to throw Weyoum out the nearest airlock and Dukat told him to be patient. I can also remember that a Klingon warrior saying that Cardassians were a honour to kill and had plans within plans but I could be wrong about that quote I’m not sure.

[@jaybeebee9288]

Interesting. I'll go through what I feel are holes, the rest I agree with. 1) You don't make explicit, around the 1:00 mark, that it's the Prophets/Wormhole Aliens failure to intervene that is the hinge point in your AU, I had to intuit that from a replay; 2) I find it unlikely that a post-victory Dominion would either have to kidnap further humans for their anti-Homo Sapiens plague virus, as it's likely the Changeling impersonating Bashir sent his people a complete map of the human genome and that they had several hundred, if not thousand human prisoners to experiment with, or that they'd need to be covert about it, as by that time they had conquered the planet anyway. 3) Dominion racial structure policy has already shown in the GQ they prefer to parcel skills unevenly across cloned servant races, this makes sense as we have seen Vorta make excellent military strategists/scientists/diplomats etc but lousy troops, with little physical strength or visual acuity. Jem'Hadar of course are excellent fighters but struggle badly with engineering/sciences. Almost a blue vs white collar split. Now imagine if some renegade JH or Vorta possessed BOTH sets of skills; any uprisings would be extremely dangerous. You would therefore not want clones with human ingenuity, plus Tellarite science skills, plus Vulcan intellect/physical strength, just one gone astray could wreak immense damage, possibly catastrophic. 4) I don't see what use the Dominion would have for humans; as above humans only unique selling point is creativity, and frankly it's arguable whether there is much unique about ours. I think Weyoun is correct, and that the Founders would agree; unless you have since stabilised the cloning process so that exceptions are a one in a million, not one in a thousand, humanity is more of a pain in the ass than it's worth (if you've just conquered it), and they order that the Blight, instead of keeping us for generations in suffering, kills us in 2 hours, 2 months after the first infection. Other GQ races we've seen are allowed to work, trade and play, so long as they don't misbehave, lest they get a visit from the JH. Not us, though. Given the human spirit and its ceaseless appetite for resistance, dissidence and indeed all forms of contrarianism, the risk-reward ratio is hugely stacked AGAINST keeping us around, cloned/ modified or not. The Dominion simply creates billions of Vulclones who logically believe (and frankly the logic would be hard to counteract) that might makes right, and the Founders as conquerors of TWO Quadrants are rightful masters of all territory. 5) Given the extreme adeptness of the Founders at espionage/surveillance/investigation etc, their ability to mass-produce ships/Vorta/JH at terrifying speeds, and how poorly the Tal Shiar failed to insulate itself in the events leading to their near-destruction in the Battle of the Omarion Nebula, it is extremely unlikely that piecemeal assassinations of Vorta and random destruction of JH warships would either produce significant weakening, nor is it likely the saboteurs would live long enough to continue gnatting away at the Dominion Elephant in the Room. Other than those 5 I am in agreement with you. I think the wildest cards, and therefore meat for future videos, at this galactic game of Poker are in the hands of the Borg, and S31. I'd also love to see a video speculating on what an Earth looks like if the Dominion actually did decide to keep humanity around.

[@mwg500]

One thing that could happen is that the Borg decide to attack the Alpha Quadrant at some point after the Federation has fallen. This assumes the Borg aren't aware of the Dominion take-over and they are still obsessed with humans/Earth/Federation stuff.

[@FireRevanShadow]

What about making Klingon/jem'hadar hybrids to make a more improved soldier?

[@LoreReloaded]

+Revan Thought of that and had it in the original script ... However..I don't know there is anything Klingon biology had that jemhadar did not

[@FireRevanShadow]

Lore Reloaded head ridges and a never be beaten attitude that even jem'hadar admired. (Worf in the fights)

[@vincentscott4695]

Revan HELL NO!!! The Klingons are unique Warriors!! Their advanced skills and training will make them improved soldiers!!

[@FireRevanShadow]

Vincent Scott yes, skilled and unique....flash back to DS9 way of the warrior where hundreds if not thousands of Klingon died in hand to hand combat against a few hundred federation, bajoran, and 2 cardassians

[@ummdustry5718]

knowing the founders I suspect they'd stick with the jem'hadar for the most part simply because they are a known variable. The klingons are effective warriors no doubt but they are extremely aggressive and new breeds of soldier could potentially turn against the dominion and given the situation the dominion find themselves in here (that is without major opposition) an internal threat like that would be too risky for an increase to their already vastly superior military.

[@iliagofman]

After intial loss of 10 cubes, it would take the Borg approximately 1.1 earth years to rebuild and come back with re-estimated needed 28 cubes and 7 diamonds, taking into consideration Dominion rate of manufacture.

[@followerofjulian1652]

Great video, thanks! I especially like your attention to detail describing smaller powers and their fate. In this vein, what are your thoughts on the circumstances of one of my favorites, the First Federation? Though we don’t know just how powerful it is, I suspect that a Fesarius-type vessel could easily prevail in an encounter with the most powerful Dominion ship, perhaps even a fleet, that happened across the First Federation’s defense outpost buoy network. In the long term, the Dominion would most likely have a quantitative advantage, the First Federation a qualitative advantage. “Long live tranya!”

[@MercenaryPen]

that deep dive for the core of the federation... good ;luck protecting those extended flanks during a rapid advance

[@Gigas0101]

Because I think it might be fun for you and make for great content; could you theory-craft a modified ship from the escaped fleet? How would generations of federation/klingon intermingling in a multi-generational exile effect ship designs and systems? Would we see galaxies with cloaking technology and disruptors? D7s and Vor'chas with phaser arrays and federation-level shields and sensors?

[@loopslytle]

Happy New Years to all! Make 2018 a great year.

[@carolheward6479]

Your right that star fleet would fall back fron earth preserving what assets they could and buying time ti consolidate a defense. Thats what they did earlier in the dominion war and it worked. The dominion would be vulnerable to counter attack and it would likely come down to whether the romulans joined just like it did originally. Good vid

[@SplotchTheCatThing]

EDIT: this has actually been addressed later in the series... but it's still interesting to consider how this might play out differently if Voyager had managed to make contact with the Federation earlier. The one interesting unanswered question here to me, which I just don't remember the answer to, is whether Voyager had already made contact with Starfleet from the Delta Quadrant at this point... if they hadn't, it seems likely Starfleet would try sending those ships off in secret in multiple different directions, to ensure that if some wound up getting caught by chance by the Dominion others could still get away -- ensuring the escape itself would be absolutely paramount. If Voyager had made contact, though, it seems more likely Starfleet would send at least the majority of those secret ships towards the Delta Quadrant, and if they thought they could do so without giving themselves away, to try to send a message to Janeway that they were coming. With Voyager being their only known asset guaranteed to be completely free of the Dominion at that point, and with not much else left to lose, and even without knowing about the technology Voyager was gaining, Starfleet would still know that that ship was their best long-term hope and that it would make the most sense to send it all the help that they could.

[@michaelhviper]

The whole Starfleet exodus fleet makes sense to me. Doing a Battlestar Galactica move but this time in secret as the Dominion are attacked head on at the front. I could see this fleet heading to the Delta or Gamma Quadrant (or maybe even to a neighboring galax) and built up a mini federation in secret to come back and retake their home. I could see them trying to connect with Voyager and other wayward ships.

[@danielpayne3999]

Great parallel universe idea for some fan fic! Rebels Vs Dominion

[@h2opower]

This would pave the way for the Borg as with the assimilation of the founders would give them what they need to assimilate species 8472 on their road to perfection. They would send hundreds of ships perhaps thousands to assimilate the founders.

[@BadwolfGamer]

Your best video to date looking forward to part 2.

[@LoreReloaded]

always aim to impress.

[@todabrilla]

Just as as FYI, "comprised" and "compromised" have very different meanings.

[@LoreReloaded]

I intend to use them inter-exchangably to force a change of the meaning in the dictionary..

[@Thetreetroll]

Ohhhhh. . . The thing about Voyager coming back to Dominion occupied Alpha quadrant would have been great!

[@TheSpiralCurse]

i imagine the sheliak would also rebel....buuut probably not effectively. and if they can cement themselves there, the borg would no other have a chance at least without decades of prep

[@moustachio05]

The sheliak could maybe even win they had extremely advanced tech

[@samalman173]

Part 2 please

[@billnotice9957]

If Voyager would hear the Alpha Quadrant was toast! I strongly think they might back track and find a friendly planet and settle down.

[@RickySpanish12344]

I think the Borg would detect the huge huge conflict going on, and make a move.

[@veridiannexus3535]

This would make a great group of films based in a splintered reality, a darker take on Star Trek

[@malikhedir5586]

Great video I really love the map with different quadrant 👍👍👍

[@sakuradl]

So the missing Starfleet/ section 31 (SF31) would be the First Order from Star Wars. I think that this alt history should include that the Dominion noticing that equipment, weapons, ships, material, important persons and manpower start going missing, covertly at first then openly to SF31. At first no one notices but when time goes on it becomes a bigger concern. Shell companies will start popping up to funnel money, tech and supplies to SF31. Worlds quietly start backing SF31 then openly when Janeway comes. Underground training facilities also pops up ready to receive the word.

[@LoreReloaded]

I think several factions would start to show up.. Section 31 being an almost black market.. I intend to include it in multiple scenarios (I have several outcomes for this set up)

[@sakuradl]

I believe that some of Section 31 would stay behind to operate behind the "lines". Like setting up long game of the shell companies, influence peddling, raiding/ pirating, underground "railroads" and training centers. For the Dominion, the harder they squeeze the more worlds will slip from their grasp. At times, terror tactics do backfire.

[@biganimefan84]

I really enjoyed this video, thank you! That being said though, I do think that by the time of the turn of the 25th century, cutting off the wormhole would benefit the Starfleet/Klingon remnants little. In a lot of potential futures by this point, the Federation seems to have access to engines that can get from one point of the Galaxy to the other in very little time. I do think that the Dominion would easily be able to have that kind of technology themselves. Sure it wouldn't be near instantaneous like with the wormhole. But, I can see Gamma Quadrant ships reinforcing their Alpha Quadrant territory in a matter of days.

[@mrScififan2]

Fantastic. It would have made a great but very dark series. I remember hearing rumors that DS9 was going to end with the defeat of the federation. Glad the rumors we’re unfounded...

[@Martok86]

i think the romulans would do just like you said. Sit back watch whats happening, and in their backyard preparing new Warships and weapons of massdestruction to be launched at dominion core-worlds. They wouldn't hesitate to use them. The Star-Empire still may fall, but not without taking as many of the Dominion they can. (Even makes more sense than an overseen nova, to me.)

[@dimensionlordgambitmccoy9727]

What would happen if the borg assimilate "The Founder's"? What will they look like? And more importantly what will they do...

[@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus]

I doubt that it would be possible for the Borg to assimilate a Founder. The Borg use nanotechnology that alters organisms on a cellular level, but that wouldn't be possible with the Founders since they do not have cells or anything else remotely humanoid. It would be like trying to assimilate a puddle of water pretty much.

[@89Keith]

we will adapt: puddles will be assimilated

[@JeanLucCaptain]

And then the Borg show up, in force. Founder: well fuck, that Victory party was short!

[@LoreReloaded]

+Jean-Luc Martel "This is why we cant have nice things!"

[@JeanLucCaptain]

No, that's because the taxman 😂

[@GalahadLazuli]

A long-range fleet assembled to leave, and return decades or centuries later, returning more powerful than anything seen before? So kinda like Battletech/Mechwarrior's Clans? I like it!

[@LoreReloaded]

Indeed

[@Mary42877]

just started watching Star Trek a few weeks ago. Tried the Original and didn't like it. Tried TNG and didn't like it. Tried Enterprise and hated it! Then tried DS9 and liked it! Almost done with season 1. Can't wait to find out what the hell you're talking about:D Cause I've been playing these videos in the background for a while now...

[@LoreReloaded]

+Mary42877 Oh cool :) Glad you are enjoying the videos though yea...if you don't like spoilers..might stay away from my dominion war series..

[@jacobkobald1753]

How could you hate enterprise?

[@LoreReloaded]

Enterprise, especially early enterprise, has a lot of issues..

[@readhistory2023]

It's not my favorite but it has one two-parter that's in my top ten episodes just because of the opening intro.

[@jacobkobald1753]

Dark Mirror episodes is awesome and I like the characters better. Time travel was interesting in the series not a filler episode

[@IGLXenix]

I'm so looking forwards to the next one!

[@LoreReloaded]

as am I!

[@questaoolavo2346]

In this cenario voyager dosent leave and the borg invade the alpha quadrant

[@LoreReloaded]

+Questão olavo Voyager left before the war and was even at Borg space at this point.

[@SirDankleberry]

Yes but in this scenario Janeway can’t time travel to help her younger self destroy the Borg and use their transwarp gate to get back to Earth. The Borg were planning to use that gate to invade the Alpha quadrant.

[@tonyah.960]

Awesome show!

[@perryfolk8796]

Interesting take on a Post-Dominion Victory, but as a couple of other comments said, I think the Federation Vessels that escaped would run as far as they could before finding a planet (or planets) to settle on. I think most of the Klingons that could escape would stay and fight, but if someone like Worf was still alive, some Klingons would go with the escaping vessels. Another note, I would say that the Escaping Vessels would try to go through Klingon Space and into the Beta Quadrant with the Fleet going to try to meet up with Janeway and whatever ships she manages to gather. This way (despite losing the ability to go straight into Bajor and cutting off the wormhole) the combined forces of Voyager Fleet and the Surviving Ships of both the Klingon and Federation Fleets can attack all at once in a coordinated attack possibly on the Galactic East side of the Former Klingon Empire or cut through Romulan Space and be able to attack the Wormhole (albeit at greater risk). Just a couple of thoughts.

[@LoreReloaded]

Sure, stuff to consider for the next episode definetly..

[@riccardomedori4920]

Awesome video. Just a point: the Voyager can't have the anti-borg technology because the Dominion have destroyed both the Federation and the Klingons, so no future Janeway and no time travel technology. P.S: how do you think the Borg will react to such huge changes? Would they change strategy ?

[@LoreReloaded]

+riccardo medori Janeway got the Borg tech with out future Janeway... Voyager got home much much later.. With the Borg tech..and then she went back in time and gave what she had made before..so they would still have it

[@mastertadakatsu]

What about First Contact and Regeneration. Those would still have to happen as by this point they have happened. Also you could have a Future Janeway with knowledge of the Dominion subjugation help the year 7 Janeway with both Anti-Borg tech and a Plague Cure

[@Locutus]

It depends on what you mean by Borg tech. If you mean the Borg tech they got in *Scorpion* , yes, you are correct. But if you're talking about *Endgame* then you're wrong. :) *Endgame's* technology is because of Admiral Janeway, who went back in time to give *Endgame* Voyager technology. In a Dominion controlled AQ, Janeway is extremely unlikely to go back in time.

[@Unicorn_Company]

A quick thought.... Ive seen the whole series, but what is there to keep Starfleet in exile from building a few Xindi super weapons that could be sent to the gamma quadrant to start cracking open dominion worlds like eggs?

[@y0uCantHandle]

Scorched earth policy using omega particle... forging a line in the sand that the dominion would struggle to cross.

[@wdcain1]

I can see this happening such as if Dukat never sent Odo to DS9. The original plan was for him to entertain the troops. Now what about the Brier Patch and its healing rings? I'm stunned that DS9 never referenced them since Worf was a crew member but I figured the writers chose to ignore the movie since either Sisko would take the planet for the healing rays or have to destroy it to keep it from falling into Dominion hands.

[@Wolfeson28]

Considering what happened at the Battle of the Omarion Nebula (DS9: Improbable Cause and The Die is Cast), I don't think any Romulan plans to secretly build up a fleet over multiple years would get very far.

[@aaronwaterhouse1091]

I got an awesome idea go from when the Dominion over the alpha quadrant you know how you ended it with voyager coming with a few ships have them draw up another alliance with the Borg to take back the alpha quadrant cuz it all the movies and shows everything the human seem to be really important to the Borg so much that they create a liaison

[@writingcuriosity]

Great video. I found it very interesting to listen to. One nitpick if I may be so bold, I think you used the word "decimated" in the most common-but incorrect way. It was actually a Roman punishment and means to reduce something by one-tenth. In Roman terms, it meant to punish a unit/group of soldiers by picking out every tenth man to be beaten to death by the rest.

[@Elmacheto]

That... that was amazing! More! :)

[@LoreReloaded]

Hopefully by friday!

[@Lutrian]

I wonder how the Dominion would handle a Borg incursion? Probably the only thing which kept the Borg from trying an invasion in the middle of the war, was that they were occupied dealing with species 8472, and localized plagues spread by booby-trapped assimilation subjects in the Delta Quadrant.

[@benharding5727]

love the story telling way u present your videos

[@LoreReloaded]

+Ben Harding Always try to impress

[@LucifersAngel-mu4mw]

The Dominion vs Katherine Janeway is something I would pay good money to watch. Fresh off the back of killing the Borg only to find her home destroyed and federation enslaved? She would be a force to be reckoned with!

[@tomriddle8273]

Wasn't this covered in an episode of ds9 when those uegenix enhanced humans theorized about tactics against the dominion

[@friendlyfoe8982]

I know nothing about star trek, but good job on the video

[@billybegood466]

I love DS9, but I've ALWAYS hated the totally convenient plot solution of the Defiant flying into the wormhole to confront the incoming reinforcements, and the prophets make them all magically disappear.

[@samuelvine]

One issue with this narrative is the inclusion of a "End Game" level Voyager - Admiral Janeway's existence depends on the existence of a Federation that WON the Dominion War. If the Federation falls before Voyager can return then there'd be no source for the temporal causality loop that allowed Admiral Janeway to travel back in time with advanced technology. Some forms of time travel don't have this problem but the Borg Queen makes it very clear that this Admiral Janeway situation is not one of those exceptions.

[@rjhardesty334]

Ty so much for your videos

[@matthewburke457]

A version of this scenario was plotted in the DS9 Episode "Statistical Probabilities" by Bashir and his genetically engineered friends.

[@LoreReloaded]

Indeed.

[@PerpetualGM]

Another option for the Federation/Klingon remnants would be something similar to the Memory Omega project in the Mirror Universe novels. Entire self-sufficient colonies in areas of the UFP and the rest of the galaxy thought uninhabitable, but rendered habitable with perfected Genesis Device technology. These colonies serve as research bases, centers of resistance and even shipyards.

[@PerpetualGM]

Although I do admit that I find the image of a swarm of Borg cubes sweeping into the Alpha Quadrant and when hailed, we see an assimilated Janeway as the new Borg Queen announcing, "I am Arachnia of Borg" more than a little appealing.

[@LoreReloaded]

with an assimilated spider on her shoulder.

[@1967jmac]

Sweet love it .......more please

[@DominionChris]

One group of allies I could see from Voyager are the Unimatirx Zero/ Borg Cooperative movement. Perhaps even Species 8472 or other Delta/Beta quadrant allies. I could also imagine the Federation/Klingon Flotilla could perhaps come up with some tech similar to Memory Omega in Star Trek's Mirror Universe novel Rise Like Lions. As for who would win it would seem a tossup. Also in STO it is revealed the Iconians were behind the destruction of Romulus by manipulating the Tal Shiar. That could still happen or perhaps not, perhaps in this timeline the Dominion might have caused the Hobus supernova. Also we're still assuming the Defiant was destroyed or displaced in the timespace continuum.

[@terraphantom1039]

The gorn would certainly have made a fight of it as well

[@shep9231]

One thing. you forgot about the Borg... its possible that the Borg could make another major strike into what used to be Federation space around htis time.

[@LoreReloaded]

+Shep Maybe..

[@e-cuauhtemoc]

Good work!

[@paddy7812]

Hey Lore, recent subscriber here!! What became of the Dominion after the war?? I mean there is a lot of Dominion hardware and military infrastructure left out there!!!

[@darrellmilburn7827]

Awesome video

[@Dante20321]

The title of this video gave me thrills lol

[@kikikikia1235]

I want this as a show

[@anthonyspecf]

General Kerensky leads the Federation fleet to parts unknown only to return 100s of years later...As the Clans! Wait...I think I'm getting my SciFi franchises mixed up.

[@jrokur551]

Wow. I wanna see that show!!!

[@rangerjima]

I would have to agree for the most part about how this scenario went down. My only major contention is how fast the federation would fracture.

[@LoreReloaded]

Why do you think they'd stay there longer?

[@rangerjima]

I may be a bit rusty on my lore, but I am fairly confident that by the time of the dominion war, that most member planets of the U.F.P. would have a greater sense of belonging. Newer member planets for sure would break away and I could see the complete fracture of the federation if this played out in the T.O.S. era. The federation as whole by this time has weathered wars and other calamities with out breaking. Not saying it wouldn't happen but it would take longer.

[@josephradiger]

I honestly agree with everything he said if the dominion had won. I've seen every episode of star trek of every series and agree it would go this way if they had lost at operation return

[@pyrothunderwolf]

very logically thought out video

[@LoreReloaded]

I try

[@merrillslaven6921]

The Remans and some Romulans (in conjunction with the Iconians) set off the Hobus supernova. Because The Dominion conquers the Alpha Quandrant, it would probably change this course of events so Romulus may not fall.

[@LoreReloaded]

+Merrill Slaven Is there Alpha Canon for that it is it STO?

[@merrillslaven6921]

Lore Reloaded Star Trek Online. However, given the fact that supernova explosions cannot travel faster than light, the energy from Hobus would have taken years to arrive, giving time for Romulus to be evacuated. It's a huge plot hole in the Star Trek (2009). Also, your entire expo is based on interpretation of alpha canon and I highly doubt Romulus would subjugate. I would propose a shadow war occurring over years. Romulans would fight but on a hit and fade style. Maybe Romulus would fall somehow but they would resort to other means to hold some territory.

[@LoreReloaded]

The Romulans don't enter into open war unless forced to or they think they can win.. And yea, all of this is inference and guess work.. I use Canon where I can and I didn't take into account the soft canon of STO .. yet.. anyways.

[@TheWritegamers]

A fleet of Federation/Romulan/Klingon ships from a distant corner of the universe..throw in some Free Borg, some other aliens, scimitar technology...quantum slipstream...the Dominion could have a very deadly rebellion on its hands.

[@pierce9128]

How about a scorpion like alliance between Voyager and the combined fleet of starfleet and kligons, who meet in d delta quadrant. Make a deal with the Borg, assulate the dominion. Either that or the defiant returned with the help of the profits.

[@LoreReloaded]

That would be interesting.. Though I don't know if the powers would believe that trading the Dominion for the Borg was a good idea.

[@P1gdude]

ally with the unimatrix0 borg instead of the regular borg, or find some way to oust the borg queen and replace her with the unimatrix0 borg. problem solved.

[@danielnolan4772]

Excellent 😎

[@LoreReloaded]

I always attempt to impress.

[@thequeenofswords7230]

10:24 Very informed analysis, here. Romulans are quick to recognize a strategic error; after all, these are the same peoples who disappeared for a century after over-extending and uniting The Klingons and the Federation. Surely, would soon realize they were counting on the Federation to win and simply be weakened for the fight. They would probably figure this out as soon as Earth fell. A victorious Dominion would be recognized as an imminent threat and they would indeed not commit the same error as Starfleet by taking on the Dominion (mostly) by itself. Proud as the Romulans are, that rarely comes before patience and cunning. Probably a controversial stance you took, but right on the money as far as I'm concerned.

[@CushionRide]

wow. an interesting theory, i have to agree somewhat with Brad B, if the dominion completely took over the alfa quadrant. i believe the borg would come in force, not just with one cube but with hundreds. its my opinion that since the borg were made aware of the federation since season 2 of TNG, that they would be keeping tabs on the federation. in season 3 the borg sends one ship. first. because they have never needed more than one ship to complete missions before, and i also believe as a probe to test the federations abilities. after picards assimilation they recieved a vast knowlege of federation know how, and technology and learned that the humans could adapt just as freely as the borg do when they assimilate worlds. now im leaving first contact out of this because that kinda scewes things a bit. next the dominion win, just as you stated above. taking over the alpha quadrant. the borg monitoring this would see a superior force defeating the combined might of 3 major powers that they do know about.. i beleive would come in force, not just one cube, but hundreds. and because the founders have no knowlege of what they are dealing with and their complete arrogance of godhood, they would be completely overwhelmed by the borg. even Q admitted that the borg is one of the most dangerous life forms that exists. my money would be on the borg. no contest.

[@captainspire9094]

I'd be more excited to see that new series than STD

[@sebastianfaber3754]

This should be a Star Trek show in an alternate universe.

[@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus]

Yes, I would watch the hell out of this! That would be much better than Discovery tbh.

[@tomgriffiths2622]

Nice Vulcan👍

[@TheOffenderBlog]

So the Federation would basically do the same thing that lead to the formation of the Clans in the Battletech (Mechwarroir) universe? Far enough, that could lead to some interesting things in a few generation.

[@LoreReloaded]

+TheOffenderBlog That seems the most logical and in Canon thing that would occur..what are your thoughts ..would it go down differently ?

[@TheOffenderBlog]

No, I don't think it would go down very differently. It just wasn't till I heard it out-loud that it hit as to the similarity.

[@yaldabaoth2]

The Clans only had an impact because they encountered a fractured Inner Sphere that was torn apart by war after war after war and had even forgotten how to build some of the technology the Clans had for hundreds of years. They lost as soon as the Inner Sphere unified. And then the Inner Sphere AND the Clans lost to a small force that showed both of them what total war actually means. Anyway, the Dominion wouldn't have internal wars and have a unified government, ready for anything. Unless that exodus force comes back with some kind of vastly improved tech (and I mean one-shot-kill level tech), they wouldn't stand a chance.

[@parmsingh187]

Would the dominion be stronger interms of their ships strength and technology wise? Looking forward how the video goes forward from this! 😌

[@LoreReloaded]

after absorbing the alpha quadrant tech - i think so.

[@shibolinemress8913]

I think the Betazoids as full telepaths would be added to the mix along with the Vulcans, so Vulcan discipline and logic would combine with full telepathic capability.