this whole thing falls apart at the point where you are calling the klingons the same as orks. they aren't. orks are fungal creatures that procreate asexually, and they are the devolved version of a much much larger and stronger species, the krorks. the orks have genetic knowledge. all of the tech they use is encoded into their dna. and krorks have full access to that knowledge and more. and then there is the waaagh energy they utilize that the klingons do not have any sort of part of. klingons are not orks. they are VERY different. klingons would love fighting orks, and orks would love fighting klingons, but they are not the same species. very very different species. this whole theory doesnt account for the eldari and orks being millions of years old as species, doesnt account for the necrons, and doesnt account for chaos. all that being said, the stuff you did point out are actually some decent well thought out points. make a part 2 accounting for those discrepancies ive pointed out, and i could see it.

I like it

I think Q lore is wildly inconsistent. They can go back to the beginning of the universe which means they can stop it all from being created. there's nothing us mere mortals can do in the face of such overwhelming power.

My gut says if anyone in Trek is the Emperor, it would be more likely Flint, than Khan. But i can see why you'd feel the way you do.

It's fiction. They're actually talking about the millennial reign of christ.. The kingdom of God, the Saints... are they borg to the masons. Convert to true christianity or die. Yeah there's some facts

LOL @ all of this haha

Strange question, but have you explored the possibility that Gene Roddenberry's other series, Andromeda, might be the Golden Age of Technology?

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5:14 - It shows the divide between Rodenberry, and Berman. Between the visionary looking forward with hopeful curiosity, and the drone focused only on reproducing the known, the controlled... As such, I would call this a pretty well placed barb, and I whole-heartedly approve.

I think El Aurians are what the Q were before they go there fancy powers. I think they chose to stay behind when the others became gods but gods that stagnated. The Borg assimilate the El Aurians they have the puzzle but don't know how to unlock that power without context. Borg can analyze and adapt but not inovate on there own. The Q are afraid of the say they put it all together

Marvel > Judge Dredd > Event Horizon > (maybe Star Trek?) > 40k

Even though chaotic lawful is not a real alignment the Q fit it well. The ultimate grey.

Around 1:09:ish - regarding the borg queen speaking in "I" as opposed to "we" terms, that's not too different from the human military. A private may not have to use the royal "we" but they're certainly not allowed to start sentences with "I..."* *fill in the blank, expressing any sort of individuality or personal opinion. One must receive several promotions before such things are allowed.

Honestly I think That the Federation is early days of the golden age of technology so you got the next 10, maybe 15,000 years before the age of strife and a couple thousand more years before the birth of the imperium

Cherubim ARE NOT human children They are vat grown clones and are incapable of aging or complex thinking

If the Prime Trek Temporal Corps understood that, had the Red Matter event revised the primary timeline to an appreciably negative end, Nero's 300-year-advanced mining behemoth wouldn't remotely be a match for 29th-century Federation aligned starcraft or tactical temporal revision. Keep in mind how the Romulans were almost always reactive, tantrumming troublemakers who loved waterboarding any other Alpha or Beta Quadrant power with carrot and stick lies, pretending to be good actors while being exactly that- bad actors in the guise of better liars. Removal of any sympathy for the Romulans and making them the FTL-capable, devil-eared intrasolar ghetto trash of Known Space- like a slighty refined factional Kazon (Voyager, Delta Quadrant species) gestalt empire with better haircuts and far less blunt force head trauma- would speed up Unification by removing any backing from the Vulcans for a peaceful reassociation. And the only voice of peace by the event in the 25th Century was an extremely elderly Spock, who could not (or would not) be recovered, presumed dead after his loss in the supergravitic pinhole event that destroyed Romulus' local star, the Star Empire’s homeworld and presumably an appreciable fraction of any local inhabited planetary bodies, Romulan starcraft and static-point stations, and their crews. Lastly, consider the Zhat Vash, and their belief in the Machine God and the cult's otherwise unexplained ban on A.I. and novel, fully prosthetic lifeforms, seen in Star Trek: Picard. Remove them from the equation and they wouldn't have a fight to win, for though their secret society and professed belief was ancient, in the time period Nero's mining leviathan arrived there was no knowledge of the Borg in the Delta Quadrant and very little if any practical or working prosthetic lifeforms were yet activant or even lathed to design model. This matches the oddly anonymous behaviour of the assimilated ship and crew in Star Trek: Enterprise's 'Regeneration'- repeating their catch phrase verbatim, to the letter, but the first and only time never once identifying themselves in voice transmissions as Borg- and their translight-radio transmission from the Alpha to Delta Quadrants providing confirmaton to the Borg who sent the cube to Earth in 'The Best Of Both Worlds' (although there was a slight assist by 'Q', who I think got more than a slap on the wrist for that goof, in the 2nd season of TNG) that their plan worked. In short-form point: #1) the Borg sphere was not sent back in time to prevent First Contact, but to ensure it, and make it look like the 'E' had stopped them and made it happen instead. #2) By removing any appreicable suppport for the Zhat Vash- or invalidate any backing for them by reducing the Romulans to a silly little post-Vulcanoid antagonist 'glob fly' ramshackle empire, and by the forked Kelvin Picard era there would be no suspicion of or resistance to A.I. bioforms. It would also stall or prevent the Machine God from forcing the Soong-III android workforce to attack and destroy Utopia Planitia and creating resentment in Federation-aligned world that the Zhat Vash, even if stopped as they more or less were in the Prime Timeline would make enough of a stink that somebody with clever ideas in each and every major power would notice and work towards learning more. By weaponizing the Vulcans and the early Federation by the period just after the Romulan-Terran War, artificial lifeforms would become classed and included as citizenry with full operating autonomy by the time the post-duotronic Soong-I designs were lathed and activated, in the early 24th Century. And the helpful side effect would be the denial of Romulus ever being, becoming or remaining a major, regional ongoing superlight-capable poop disturber. The younger Spock who would’ve otherwise gone on to spearhead the peaceful reconnection with Romulus would never remotely sympathize with a clearly deliberate, impossibly-advanced Romulan-aligned tactical craft- operating rogue, I might add- destroying one of the Federation's founding charter homeworlds, his own; seeing his mother die in front of him to seal the deal when the transporter grip saved his father, Sarek but didn’t lock onto Amanda quickly enough. It was not hard to see how much Spock loved his mother. That was the perfect point to ensure a battlefield chaplain was set in replacement of a future veteran peacemaker. Nero was a chaotic element, a man and minding out of time, not unlike the Augment Khan Noonian Singh in Star Trek II (1982) and inspiring Kirk to get Spock back, which he managed, and it is not unclear that Spock was out doing the good work he pursued until his presumed death, when the Red Matter triggered the Romulan core sun to catastropically supercompress, a Big Crunch in miniature. I add this codicil in form of hypothetical query: what if Prime Spock engineered this deliberately, on his own reckon or on orders from someone who convinced him it was necessary? What if he had inside or personal, intimate knowledge that the Unification efforts he spearheaded were already falling apart, and he did this to false-flag Romulus by deniably changing the past with no reliable living witness, but a three-century-forward superhulk with a Captain half out of his mind and obsessed with finding an old Vulcan who by the Kelvin era had barely finished his Academy training, right at the optimum time to change his younger self's attitude towards- and entirely away from- personal peacemaking, wholly abandoning what might become a noble but failed quest to see Unification through in person, with no sympathy left for a strange, ugly man from the future who chose genocide as vendetta? I emphasize my position that the revised fork of the Kelvin timeline was not the Prime timeline, though certain major events would bear overlap and could be considered parallel. The Kelvin timeline, then, could well have been a 'sandbox Euclidian parallel', a Matrix simulation but a full, integral space-time fork, an experimental observation and analysis timestream for an organization like the Temporal Corps to find out if there was a quicker, more visceral route to Unification than the reformation that was to occurr by the 31st Century, seen in the third and fourth season of Star Trek: Discovery. It would also allow them to gather intelligence and motivational information on the Borg, who likely thought their temporal mickey finn (A Timey Wimey Cyberforgery?) and sleight of hand had worked. They wanted to let the Machine God's entry and local action occur on their own ground- in the local grid and anticipate condition of physics- so they'd know how to fight off something like CyberCthulhu on their own terms, after learning everything they could about it and taking it apart by interpolation of context, then dismantling this thing that had an agenda presumed but unclear; an Uno Reversal on The Borg's 'perfect master plan', for they can’t remotely think or plan well laterally if they’re without assimilant tech that expands their contextual familiarity and cognitive breadth therein the hivemind of their Collective.

Lower Decks is the most "Trek" Star Trek show that has come out since Enterprise. I like SNW but it's still very JJ-styled. Disco......just blech.

2:23 That claim might've held water with the Klingons and Andorians of the time period, but not with the Xindi. Remember that the attack the Xindi did was unprovoked as humans didn't know that they existed. So even if they had been listening to the Vulcans, the end result would've been the same.

I accept this headcanon... now excuse me while I update the inquisition

every second of the 'Picard' series on screen is torture , and id disagree fundamentally about the Q being at all concerned of the borg , other then if they assimilate all the other species the universe would be boring so theyd prefer they didnt . the borg are rebuffed by the federation , and defeated multiple times by aliens from fluidic space , and simple technology 50 years into the future is able to completely destroy their warp gates ( VOY ) , so no , a single Q could completely wipe them from existence . and how is it you think they could be assimilated ? they are not physical beings they only appear to be

This is stupid, the first mistake was taking anything from Puke Hard seriously. That show is a mess, made by people who dont understand anything about Star Trek and its not canon. Yea Q could die but only by other Q. Q itself is the strongest species in Star Trek, just their time travel ability alone could undo any other species. They can even appear in your subconcious, time and space are meaningless to them, and theyre virtually omnipotent. The Borg are only a thread to species that rely on technology, and even then they can be defeated. The Elaureans live for thousands of years and are emphatic and thats about it. They can percieve disturbances in the time continue but they cant lay a finger on Q or the Borg for that matter.

Then the Borg won’t need weapons in the future if every other civilization is gone and only the Borg remain…….

just Q and The Q are different. just because Q's the one showing up. doesn't know he's every q. as for the fear of the borg? what? why would god-like beings be scared of something that's not on and near there level? this is just a silly theory.

John DeLancie is gay.

Did you pull a matpat. 😆

The same people who took Uhura, Sisko and Janeway into our hearts aren't suddenly sexist bigots. The studio is just making weak arguments as to why star trek fans aren't liking their modern product. It's also a tactic of theirs to stir up controversy to gain viewership.

Why does Khan look like the emperor though

Nonsense

This is why pretty much we hated the series, that and well the concept of time travel,

El-Aurian; Golden gods.

just throwing this in here: lower deck represents for me far more the star trek feeling than discovery.

My thoughts: You'd probably enjoy Babylon 5.

Oh the heavy, _heavy_ irony of using Ferengi's as an example here...

I am gonna tell you WHY this kin videos are sux - Becouse ACTUALLY Star TREK IS SUX ,Star Trek is incomplete and most of it RETARDED

Looking at some of the books, the Q DO have weaknesses that others can exploit mostly stemming from their egos. On occasion they have granted their "powers" to others and they need to have those powers "voluntarily" surrendered (Luaxana Troi was briefly granted Q powers and was asked to return them. Riker was given powers and just gave them up). Other Q have had their powers removed or blocked forcibly (DeLancie and Graham) and Amanda and q just inherited access to them from their parents. That indicates that these powers are something that can be bestowed and retracted and indicates a source of power that one can tap into. The Q are just created extremely evolved beings (likely higher-dimensional beings) with a natural access to this source and possibly originating from said source. The Q dying are them getting cut off from that source and killed. The source is seemingly timeless and infinite, but does have some limitations and others have been able to access it, or fragments of it, before. Think Trelane and his family from TOS. They are able to have nearly unlimited power thanks to items they create to house a fragment of its power. When Q returns in Picard and says the Q are dying and he's the last one, that happens because the source itself is actually losing its power or maybe already had and Q used the last of his power reserves to cause the events of season 2. There was also a race quickly mentioned in DeLancie's book "I, Q" that called themselves the "M" that had a conflict with the Q for millennia before they both suddenly got bored of it and stopped because they couldn't kill each other (that's how I remember it, anyway. It's been a while). I believe it was indicated they had a different source of power that the Q didn't know about and/or couldn't control.

I don't know a huge amount about Star Trek but the Q don't fear the Borg... if they did it would be very very poor writing. A single Q can wipe out all of humanity but that same humanity can defeat the Borg in battle after battle... It's nonsensical to claim the Borg can beat the Q when the Q could toss planets at Borg ships while not even present to be attacked by the Borg. The Borg would need some pretty lame plot devices to render a Q powerless in order to keep the story going. Hell, the Q could just create more humans on star ships in a never ending Zerg on the Borg... What you're doing is fighting lose fiction with really lose fiction.

Writers leaving holes in the lore for us to fit our own little theories is the best

Man fan theory's are fun, you made some really convincing points. Personally I think they are separate universes but cool link ups none the less.

Screw the Borg! what they should be worried about is the view, they assimilated whoopi And our disgusting people across the galaxy!

This was the episode that made me really appreciate Lower Decks as a good Star Trek show. Cheers!

I hate this style of theorizing Unless I can point to an exact scene that contradicts you, you'll just say "my theory true!"

I mean it is 40K, that's an extra zero in the calendar so still a long, long, long way away from trek. The unfortunate souls that live in that time think of it as the 41st millinnea, but it's really the year 41,000, making it almost 37 thousand years after the death of Leto Atreides II..... Meaning that it is the time the first god emperor of man saw as the Great Typhoon struggle of Kralizec. Boom tied together

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I do wonder if the Q tried to test the Elurians the way the tested humans and they screwed up. That mistake led to the near destruction of the elurians which is both why Q and Guinan can't stand each other and the very clear "don't provoke the borg" rule. I also suspect the Q serve a similar role to the time lords in doctor who in that they keep space and time running properly and are meant to intervene in only major threats, yes making Delanceys Q the st equivalent of the Doctor.

I refuse to acknowledge the Picard show or STD as cannon.

I always theorized that the Q were humans, or more exactly what human potential is trillions of years in the future. This would mean that their interest in Humanity is born on a drive to understand where they came from. The "Don't Provoke the Borg" statement would then have meaning that if pushed too hard and the Borg assimilated the Humans completely it would spell the end of Q. Like Marty McFly they would simply fade out of existence as their distant ancestors have now become extinct. .

There aint no way in hell star trek is even close to the pinnacle of the dark age. Star trek is literally one of the weakest sci fi's because every "altercation" is a dr who where theres hardly any fighting and some dumb puzzle to overcome. Mech warriors universe would stomp star trek and theyre less advanced in some ways, yet more capable of combat. Star trek by far is the weakest of all sci fi genres in terms of flat out war and its hype bothers me on hiw people defend it

IMPLY not INFER filthy q'pla

completely a kuku love it