Star Trek: Why Were The Next Generation Movies Such A Mixed Bag?

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Generations in a nutshshell: Start of movie: captain on the bridge End of movie: bridge on the captain

[@tommydecastro2047]

What’s funny about the whole generation thing that the original opening showed Kirk or skydiving how much he is and that would’ve been the solution for Soren to wear orbital skydiving outfit and leave him in the path of the nexus everyone would have been happy

[@bbb4228]

‘First Contact’ may be my most rewatchable Star Trek movie. It’s not as smart as ‘Wrath of Khan’ or flashy as ‘2009’, but it’s a gorgeous movie with a fun action plot.

[@Agramsch]

I'll never forget the scene at the end where Data shot at the tiny ship boarded by Cocrain, Gordy and Riker whose mission solely would decide the future of the Federation and humans destiny. He tricked the Borg Queen, one a cyborg the other an android. So many elements at the same time all packed in a tight scene. It's what made the movie for me.

[@DCMarvelMultiverse]

There was no theme or overarching story like in the previous films. ST 1-6 were about age, legacy, mortality, and change. TNG films were solo films for Picard with Data as his trusty sidekick.

[@JoBloOriginals]

Agreed. Plus the original series had the Genesis trilogy. Picard’s Borg experience should have been the overlying theme.

[@DCMarvelMultiverse]

You have a copycat account that is replying with a reach out message. Probably a scam.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

That is because of the differences in who produced those sets of films. Harve Bennett was a TV guy, brought in after Star Trek TMP to clean up the giant mess Roddenberry made, who thought in terms of films while using his TV experience to cut costs. Nimoy also stepped forward as director/writer/producer after Star Trek III so between them the ensured a narrative theme through the TOS films, even during the hiccup that was Star Trek V. However, unfortunately for TNG, they had Rick Berman who was as unimaginative and bound by the 70s-80s TV paradigm as one could get whose tendencies resulted in 3/4 TNG films feeling smaller than a big-screen adventure should feel. That included no serialization, no cross-over stories between series or series to films, and that every film, like episodes of TV, had to stand on its own. As a consequence, all of the TNG films are one-offs, and there is absolutely a reason they feel like two-part TNG episodes apart from First Contact. Unlike the dynamic between Bennett, Nimoy and sometimes Nicholas Meyer, there really wasn't anyone that could sideline Berman's complete control. Berman is a very arrogant, douchey guy, who told Shatner to his face that the TNG films were going to make twice as much money as the TOS films ever did, and was never willing to cede control even when guys like Ronald D. Moore were clearly coming into their own as producers. Harve Bennett elevated TV material to the big screen. Rick Berman dragged big-screen potential back down to the TV screen.

[@lordpuller2226]

@@JoBloOriginals Star Trek Insurrection should have been about Picard discovering that the Borg created a family based on his DNA as Loqutius and they contact Picard for assistance escaping the collective, but Starfleet forbids it forcing Picard and crew towards... insurrection!

[@johnthomas5314]

Wrath of Khan saved TOS movie era. The Motion Picture wasn't terrible, but was kinda meh. Just a huge special effects show with little emotion. Wrath of Kahn being great and the following two movies making a very solid trilogy helped solidify their cinematic presence. The only time they really stumbled after TMP was ST5. First Contact was excellent, but it's momentum was deflated by Insurrection. Then another four years until Nemesis and people had lost interest.

[@woohooboy]

The problem with the Next Gen films (with the exception of "First Contact") is that they came off as rather average run-of-the-mill two part television episodes that somehow made their way to the big screen. In fact, I'd dare say that a number of the two-part episodes from the TNG television series were better than most of the TNG films themselves. In short, the movies lacked the cinematic WOW factor. The plots were formulaic, the threats not all that gripping and the cast (with the exception of Picard and Data) were frequently underutilized.

[@ThatBonsaipanda]

What was really disappointing at the time was that there were several plotlines in TNG that were left open and could've been wrapped up on the big screen, but instead we got basic tuesday night episodes. Even First Contact had a couple moments that could've been done better and I was personally not a fan of the concept of the Queen - Frakes felt they needed an actual character for Picard to converse to so it's understandable. This was done slightly better in Voyager with Seven, with one drone being the interlink between the main characters and the Borg.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

That is because of the differences in who produced those sets of films. Harve Bennett was a TV guy, brought in after Star Trek TMP to clean up the giant mess Roddenberry made, who thought in terms of films while using his TV experience to cut costs. Nimoy also stepped forward as director/writer/producer after Star Trek III so between them the ensured a narrative theme through the TOS films, even during the hiccup that was Star Trek V. However, unfortunately for TNG, they had Rick Berman who was as unimaginative and bound by the 70s-80s TV paradigm as one could get whose tendencies resulted in 3/4 TNG films feeling smaller than a big-screen adventure should feel. That included no serialization, no cross-over stories between series or series to films, and that every film, like episodes of TV, had to stand on its own. As a consequence, all of the TNG films are one-offs, and there is absolutely a reason they feel like two-part TNG episodes apart from First Contact. Unlike the dynamic between Bennett, Nimoy and sometimes Nicholas Meyer, there really wasn't anyone that could sideline Berman's complete control. Berman is a very arrogant, douchey guy, who told Shatner to his face that the TNG films were going to make twice as much money as the TOS films ever did, and was never willing to cede control even when guys like Ronald D. Moore were clearly coming into their own as producers. Harve Bennett elevated TV material to the big screen. Rick Berman dragged big-screen potential back down to the TV screen.

[@matthewoehler2472]

First Contact was not an exception, it was bad. Sure a fine Sci-Fi film and would have been fine outside of TNG but maybe the worst TNG film because more than any other film it break characters, their actions, and murders the prime directive and any logic. It's the most unwatchable for me cause of that.

[@connycontainer9459]

@@matthewoehler2472 It's entertaining but about as bad as Sisko using weapons of mass destruction against Marquee planets.

[@andrewblanchard2398]

TNG episodes that could've been movies BEST OF BOTH WORLDS TIME'S ARROW REDEMPTION UNIFICATION ALL GOOD THINGS that's why so many VOYAGER episodes we're 2 parts & TV movies because they worked better as movies

[@KnightKao]

The biggest problem of Insurrections is not how the story was told, nor the execution. The biggest problem is a total war between the federation and the shapeshifters was taking place while this tiny incident is happening, which the story is told in DS9. It's almost ridiculous seeing the cast of DS9 struggling with war, while the flagship of the federation is trying to find it's one missing crewmember.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

Rick Berman is to blame for that. In his TV producer mentality, he vetoed any cross-over between Tv and film, and even forbade crossover between DS9 and Voyager. Berman was stuck in a paradigm from the 70s and 80s that was already growing obsolete at the time. He freely admits today that he was wrong about a lot of things.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

I would also add, on top of Berman's rules, Patrick Stewart was evidently not keen on the idea of a film running another series plot. Stewart was very much throwing his weight around at this point and what Picard to be the center of storylines that allowed him to be an action hero a la First Contact.

[@tenbitcomb]

Hard disagree. There's very little that went right with Insurrection, and I don't believe anyone would have cared about no overlap with the Dominion war if the film was actually good. That aside, in the film, it's explained that the Enterprise had been relegated to being used for diplomacy. Wars ebb and flow, and it doesn't always make sense to concentrate all forces in a single area. Diplomacy also never ceases, even during war. Like Picard says in the first act, "[...] we need all the allies we can get these days." The Enterprise (at least the D) was designed for diplomacy, so this actually makes a lot of sense. Also, given that Worf was helping to construct a defensive perimeter in the same sector as the Briar Patch, as well as the short amount of time it takes for the Enterprise to arrive at the Ba'ku planet, it seems seems like the Enterprise isn't that far away from DS9 in case they are called upon. Even so, the story is pretty lousy. It's about a small cult of anti-technology luddites who want a monopoly over the fountain of youth. The Enterprise crew show a heavy bias towards the Ba'ku; perhaps if the So'na were as attractive, they conflict would have been treated more even handedly. Also, having Data short circuit is cliche and stupid. I doubt Rick Berman was of any help here.

[@STSWB5SG1FAN]

@@tenbitcomb Have to disagree with you a bit there. The Ba'ku were hardly Luddites (they had the technical know-how to sort of repair Data) and they would happily have shared the planet with anyone, they just liked being where they were. The sole purpose of the Son'a (who [spoiler] were actually members of the Ba'ku who had been exiled from their world after a failed coup) was to take revenge upon their forebears for their predicament (without the healing radiation of the planet the Son'a were slowly dying).

[@anonamos6086]

I never understood Geordi’s visor besides being a long running plot device. They have cured cancer, they can repair gun shot wounds in seconds, the Borg can essentially replicate entire body parts and bring people back from the dead but Geordi is the only person in the galaxy who can’t see.

[@OnafetsEnovap]

Thankfully, the movies (from First Contact onwards) did away with it and by the time of Star Trek: Picard, Geordi can now see normally.

[@blockmasterscott]

I hear ya, I never liked the idea of his visor.

[@patricksheffield2839]

It was originally mentioned as a birth / genetic disorder, and then it was he was allergic to implants..

[@spooforbrains]

It doesn't really matter what handwavey plot reason they came up with, it was about representation

[@Uruz2012]

They wanted a cast member who was visibly blind to the audience at a glance. His "sunglasses" being from star fleet meant that they let him see a wide range of things that sighted people can't. Definitely was about representation for the blind though. How many shows from the 80s had a main character with any disability at all?

[@sadako24]

I feel the problem with the TNG movies compared to the Original Cast movies boils down to that the Original Cast films had an important story to tell. The story of what happened to Kirk and Spock after their TV show was ended so prematurely. Furthermore there was a long wilderness period to really think through what the continuation of their story might look like and how to translate it to the big screen and the 1980s era. The first four films had to carry the torch of the Star Trek story. They took risks and left imponderables that turned into a multi-film arc. The fifth film perhaps stumbled because there was a question of potential redundancy to the TOS movies now that a new Star Trek series was on TV. The films no longer felt so vital. The sixth film discovered a certain purpose in being the final closer to the story of Kirk's time. By contrast, when The Next Generation ended as a TV show it had clocked up seven seasons, and arguably had wrapped nicely on All Good Things. So what was left for the films to be about? Generations I guess did the kind of bridge between old and new that made it feel it was offering something new and different to the TV show and different to any film before. To be honest they could've ended the film series there and had it be a one-off final ride for Picard & crew , and it'd feel oddly fitting. Though by my reckoning it made a mistake in destroying the Enterprise D so early into the film run (infact that's part of the reason First Contact wasn't as effective as it could've been. It would've meant far more to see the Enterprise being infiltrated and corrupted by the Borg, if it was a ship we knew well by that point, but we'd barely been introduced to it - likewise it would've meant more when Picard is being asked to sacrifice the ship). First Contact I guess had some purpose to it in that the Borg threat were one of the few loose ends left hanging after TNG ended, and we'd never seen them on the big screen before so it was worth doing for that. But still there wasn't the same sense of careful deliberation. These films were coming out pretty fast when the other TV shows were still in production. Which is kind of the other problem. Suddenly all the exciting stuff was happening in the TV shows. Voyager was travelling through Borg space now, whilst DS9 was deep (no pun intended) into the Dominion war. The odd thing is that the last two TNG movies allude to the Dominion war business but seem unable to be involved directly with it. There seems the feeling it'd be too deep into the TV show's arc to translate to a mass audience, but it means that the films weren't really able to offer anything big that the TV shows couldn't deliver. Another thing that nags me a bit is the way the makers seemed to become immediately ashamed of Generations even though it was the truest film to the spirit of the TNG series, and so they just seemed to overcompensate by making the films big action comedy films, which just doesn't really suit the thoughtful Picard or his crew, and came off as a bit desperate. (I'm not saying I'm one of those fans who objects that much to Picard's more ruthless streak in First Contact. It makes sense concerning the Borg that Picard would understand that the Borg are beyond reason. But the problem is, First Contact became the formula they kept going back to) The shape of the TOS films shows a journey and growth, and a real structure to it. Even the weaker entries are kind of inseparable from the whole and play their part. Whereas it feels easy to take or leave near all of the TNG films.

[@thechairman74]

You've pretty much summed up the reasons for the later ST films, especially after the start of TNG were so mixed. TOS created the greatest fan base in genre entertainment history and by the time ST:TMP premiered, it was obviously very well welcomed by them after over 10 years away. The key was that the fans were given time to miss the TOS crew. ST:G, while perhaps overly disliked in hindsight, still had some odd flaws. It was indeed too soon after the finale of the show. It seemed like the show was ended, just to allow the films to start. It felt like a commercial move, not a creative one.

[@bosyber]

In addition, the TNG movies also increasingly made the mistake, IMO, of being about data and picard action hero/kirk flawed copy (party bc, Stewart wanted that?), while the show was an ensemble cast, which limited their stories. (I liked data well enough in the series, by Nemesis I was glad to have him be done, honestly, and picard was a different guy, though at least in first contact he had a solid arc). Picard continued this, until the third season.

[@thechairman74]

@@bosyber Yes, very true, as the rest of the crew besides Picard and Data became very much side characters who were there just to be there. It was not as close to being an ensemble cast like the series was. You had very little time spent or insight into the development of Troi, Riker, (other than their being married), Crusher, Geordi or Worf.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

The problem was Rick Berman. Dude didn't know how to helm films. He was a TV guy and was trapped in the 80s-90s paradigm of TV, which is to say being opposed to serialization and long story arcs. DS9 was successful and seen as a precursor of modern TV precisely because Ira Steven Behr ignored Berman as much as possible. Whereas Berman was the right guy to save TNG after the disaster that was Gene Roddenberry's mismanagement, Berman then tried to apply that TV mentality to the films and it absolutely showed. Regarding Insurrection, and its complete one-off feel, and focus on a TV-type adventure when the Federation was fighting the largest war in quadrant history, again, Berman's TV producer mentality forbade the use of the Dominion War storyline because "Films don't borrow from TV, and cross-overs are TV poison." Reading back-stories on the TNG films, and comments from guys like Ronald D. Moore, Frakes and others, they make many references to 'grander' ideas, and pitches, especially after First Contact, that were inevitably shot down by Berman. For example, for Insurrection, writer Michael Pillar added a couple of lines acknowledging Jadzia Dax's death and its impact it had on Worf. Rick Berman eventually overruled this. In the end, the only times Berman could be moved or convinced are when Patrick Stewart or Brent Spiner used their leverage so that is why we see the TNG films as being Data heavy, as well as painting Picard as the action-hero which is something Stewart really pushed for. So there it is. The TOS cast got Harve Bennett, himself a long-time TV producer, and Nimoy to safeguard the film legacy and they did a good job by combining the best of TV production, with film's grander stage. Conversely, Berman brought the worst of ossified, middling aspects of TV production (which, one points out, were becoming obsolete even back then) to the TNG films that shrank the big-screen into TV style adventures.

[@nagger8216]

That's honestly a shame, the idea of the DS9 crew teaming up with the Enterprise to take on the Borg would've been an unprecedented moment in cinematic history (not even exaggerating). Star Trek already had an MCU-esque cinematic universe under its belt, building up multiple characters and storylines for years, they just never bothered to put all the pieces together and thus missed out on a massive opportunity. It's funny how adamant Rick Berman was that there shouldn't be much continuity in the movies or crossovers between the TV series and movies when he would've been way ahead of the game.

[@mikeoyler2983]

I would say that one factor that for DS9's success Was the fact that Behr and Berman were polar opposites. They kind of tempered each other.

[@TheTuubster]

Bull. "The Wrath Of Khan" for example was made by a Paramount TV executive. Paramount wanted to save money and used the Khan formular.

[@hosnkrocha]

I disagree. The movies of the original cast were all epic in spite of ridiculously small budgets. The problem were the sub par stories of 1, 5, 7, 9 and 10.

[@00nick7]

I love the TNG films despite their problems. First Contact and Generations are the ones I go back to.

[@miked-zr1ks]

Generations? Really? C'mon man! 😃

[@matthewburns7989]

​@miked-zr1ks ALL HAND(SSS)S BRACE FOR IMPACT! Get chills everytime that scene hits. It's a film no true tng fan could dislike. The D never looked as majestic, and the extra budget allowed for a destructive send off that is memorable and gritty.

[@00nick7]

@matthewburns7989 Yes! Exactly! It was awesome seeing the 1701-D on the big screen for the first and only time. They took her out on a bang and it was awesome seeing her in operation again last year!

[@hagerty1952]

21:15 "In early versions of the script, Data met his maker..." Data met his maker, Noonien Soong, several times during NextGen. 29:02 "Before he died, Data transferred all of his memories into B4." "Remember"

[@batman5224]

All of the Star Trek films have been a mixed bag. I honestly believe Nemesis gets too much hate. Its dark storyline was very intriguing, and it is actually my second favorite of the Next Generation films after First Contract. Insurrection is by far the worst, feeling like a bad episode with too large of a budget. Of course, even the worst Star Trek film is still better than most modern Star Trek.

[@GEMINIEARTHWALKER]

I've always liked Nemesis, I was enamored with a Young Tom Hardy as Shinzon. I thought his performance was very strong that I actually followed his early career, small parts in Marie Antoinette, Band of Brothers and Black Hawk Down. . I remember reading an issue of Total Film in 2007 or 2008, which highlighted two upcoming Hardy films, one was the Guy Ritchie film, Rock'N'Rolla, and the other one would change his career, Bronson. . I got to see Bronson during a limited release at my local art house theater, it only ran for one day. But I was floored by his performance, and shortly after it was released on DVD, Christopher Nolan cast him in Inception. . And thus the dark period of Hardy's career was over, and I'm always happy that I remained a fan, even when most people didn't know who he was

[@scottlarson1209]

I also like Nemesis but didn't care by the time it came out. I eally think that a big problem was franchise fatigue more than anything else. The Berman era really ended with the last episode of Voyager. Everything that came after felt listless, including Nemesis.

[@jeyfomson6364]

Nemesis was weaker than the other TNG movies, It feels like the Final frontier of the bunch.

[@scottlarson1209]

@@jeyfomson6364 Insurrection is the WORST. Besides the lame story and effects it was an embarrassing follow up to First Contact. There are no redeeming qualities to it, and it remains completely boring and unwatchable. At least Nemesis- at the very least -had Data's death. There is absolutely no reason to ever go back to Insurrection.

[@jeyfomson6364]

@@scottlarson1209 All im sharing is my opinion, But the consensus is that "Nemesis" didn't sit well with audiences, the movies box office failure is evident of that. Franchise fatigue isn't an excuse for poor story execution. At the height of the 80's craze "Star trek: the final frontier" also underperformed, why because the story wasn't as good as its predecessors, Just look at how well "The undiscovered country" performed a few years after. In my opinion "First contact" was the best of all TNG movies, everything went downhill after that. Having said all that, This doesn't mean that a movies performance is always because of good story telling, there are other factors.

[@ukmediawarrior]

The main issue I had with 'Generations' was the plot was stupid and weak. Soran wants to get back into the Nexus, but instead of just flying a ship into it (which we know would work because thats how he originally tasted it the first time when we see his ship get engulfed by the Nexus at the start of the movie) he instead decides to go through the much more convoluted plan of forcing the Nexus to change direction.

[@whos-the-stiff]

Also how did Guinan remain behind there when Soran couldn't ?

[@frankmummert5932]

My main problem is that when given a supremely powerful tool--the ability to return to normal space at any point in time--Picard shows an incredible lack of imagination. His power is his intellect, as shown in his diplomatic and tactical problem solving skills. What does he do? He chooses to go back to about 10 minutes before the trilithium missile is fired with another old guy in tow to try punching again? Guinan, please tell him he can take a minute to think about this and consider his options. Maybe show up in the Veridian system a day earlier and fire a dozen torpedoes at Soren's launcher? Maybe take Soren into custody before he destroys the first star, so Geordi is never kidnapped and the Duras sisters never get the Enterprise's shield modulation frequency (admittedly, he may not know the Enterprise was destroyed in the time between beaming down and getting caught in the Nexus, but he should still not want to let Geordi get kidnapped and tortured). Like, Captain, my dude, you literally have all eternity to plan. There is no ticking clock. Drink some tea with your fish and think it through.

[@ukmediawarrior]

@@frankmummert5932 Considering he was wracked by sadness at the death of his brother and nephew at the start of the movie you would imagine he would at least want to go back and save them, lol.

[@ptdongiovanni]

​@@frankmummert5932My thoughts exactly! The storyline made no sense. At least Insurrection had some logic to it.

[@markkoops2611]

⁠completely agree, going back 10 minutes was stupid... Go back a day, arrive earlier, blow up the platform, turn the Klingons into space dust

[@cst039]

My main problem with Generations is the way they treated the Enterprise D. A very poor way to get rid of my favourite Enterprise. First Contact easily the best TNG movie, if not one of the best Trek movies full stop.

[@raymondcanessa7208]

First Contact Enterprise E should have been Galaxy-X

[@kevinturner4936]

My favorite bit of "Generations" was when Kirk says. "I was out saving the galaxy when your grandfather was in diapers."

[@kuribayashi84]

I always loved First Contact. And I never disliked any of the others… and they all have really grown on me over the years.

[@igg3937]

What do you love about it? It's dumbed-down popcorn-flick stupidity for the lowest common denominator. "Assimilate THIS" Seriously?

[@charlie7mason]

My favorite of them all as well.

[@jnnx]

First Contact was least crappy, but still incredibly 🌽🥎 and predictable.

[@miked-zr1ks]

I know First Contact is supposed to be "the good one" but frankly it doesn't hold up to repeat viewings IMO despite having some good stuff in it.

[@lolavicious7783]

We watched all the Star Trek movies a couple weeks ago. When Insurrection came on I said to my husband, This is Insurrection? I thought this was a season 7 episode. 😅

[@homelessjesse9453]

Because besides the weak stories, it all for some reason, became focused more on Data than any other character. Even though the show has always been an ensemble cast.

[@2Dman533]

Dr Crusher got it the worst in these films. She was pretty much a background extra.

[@frankmummert5932]

I can't remember the source for this, but I believe one of the producers loved Brent Spiner's work, so in order to get a script greenlit, he had to be front and center. The first thing they did was allow him to finally express emotions in Generations and made him the comic relief. Then he got the big dramatic hero moment in First Contact. Then he was the inciting incident in Insurrection. Then he got the big dramatic hero sacrifice moment in Nemesis, but not before they gave him another character to play so they could bring him back in future installments.

[@PosthumousAddress]

​@@2Dman533 it's really sad because Gates McFadden is a great actress (and super interesting woman!)

[@dcb_75]

Ultimately it was the series that killed the movies. TNG basically had done the equivalent of 90 movies during their 7 year run and explored the characters a ton. What was left for the movies? I like it but even First Contact wasn't really a great premise as Picard had dealt with his borg issues in the series. There just wasn't a ton of things left to do with them. I think they held back too much as well thinking they would have a run like the original crew did. They could have done some big epic story, killed off a character like with Spock but then you don't have them for the next film. They were in a weird situation.

[@DataLal]

That's a great point, actually. TOS had been cancelled after 3 seasons, with not a lot of time to spare for character development overall, which the movies helped flesh out a bit. TNG had twice that amount of time, with 7 seasons, so lots and LOTS of time for character development. Also, TOS had a strong trio of Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, with the other characters being supportive but mostly secondary. TNG never had that strong trio, it was much more an ensemble cast with a web of connections. Picard and Data had a lot of development with a sort of father-son like relationship, and maybe if Pulaski had stayed on she could have been that McCoy-like foil for Data. But Crusher came back for Season 3, and because her conflict is with Picard in a friendly but will-they-ever/won't-they-ever be romantic sense, and she's just good friends with Data, that doesn't make for a solid Captain-First Officer-Doctor trio. Riker *kind of* forms an on-bridge trio with Picard and Worf - Picard being passionate but non-aggressive and highly rational, Data being non-passionate, non-aggressive but eminently rational, and Worf being highly passionate, fairly aggressive, and not very rational. What detracts from this is that Riker has another will-they-ever/won't-they-ever thing with Troi, but you don't exactly see him banter at all with her, even though she's quite often sitting in the seat just on the other side of Picard. There's not a lot of on-bridge banter that goes on at all.

[@johnthomas5314]

Insurrection could've been skipped entirely. Flush out Nemesis better and have that be the final TNG film. Or if it had done well then you could've made a fourth. The double whammy of Insurrection being mediocre and then a four year wait for Nemesis was the nail in their coffin.

[@Zeithri]

What's funny is if you watch TOS, then watch TNG, then watch the TOS movies into TNG movies, you'll notice a thing.. Picard never left the ship really, Picard was never actiony. Kirk was always actiony, he was always " _I'm going down there, whose coming with me?_ " So, when we look at this, Picard meeting Kirk and coming into contact with Kirk turned Picard into Action Picard, kicking ass and taking names. That's the funny way of looking at it, the more serious way is that Picard took what Kirk said to heart and that's why Picard became more " _Me first_ " focused. In either case, Kirk was a catalyst for Picard.

[@jeyfomson6364]

They had a very good opportunity to include or tie in parts of the Dominion war in the TNG movies but they didn't.

[@ghostviggen]

Personally I think the movies should be standalone as much as possible. You shouldn’t be required to watch the show just to enjoy a movie.

[@jeyfomson6364]

@@ghostviggen To each his own, I was just making a comparison to what we got and trying to make a case for a more exciting story. Because First contact while bieng connected to the show still remains the best of all TNG movies. Just look at insurrection and Nemesis, both of them while bieng standalone failed to reach the same height of success critically and financially. Whether standalone or connected if the stories are poorly executed it will affect the movies.

[@TheLAGopher]

@@jeyfomson6364 A case could be made that the plots of both Insurrection and Nemesis were tied into the Dominion War. While the war didn't directly drive the plots of those films, it did set up the political climate that made the plots of both films possible. It was the belief that the Federation was surrounded by powerful enemies such as the Dominion and Borg that caused Starfleet brass to form an alliance with the Son'a race to spy on and later attempt to forcibly remove the Ba'ku people from their homeworld. It was post war Romulan governments decision to seek better relations with the Federation, that caused Shinzon and reactionary elements of the Romulan military to stage a coup on Romulus.

[@spooforbrains]

They couldn't. First off, the movie would have had to resolve the dominion war arc, because anything else would have been unsatisfying for a feature film. So you either have Picard resolving a storying line that's the main part of the latter half of DS9, taking the victory away from Sisko (which fans would have HATED) OR you have to have Sisko intruding into a TNG film and stealing the glory from Picard (which, quite apart from fans hating it, Stewart would have vetoed immediately)

[@Rimasta1]

Insurrection takes place during the war and there’s brief mention of it but that’s all we got.

[@ajvargas8199]

What a missed opportunity Star Trek Generations was. It would have been spectacular to see Kirk and Picard in action aboard the Enterprise D. Instead we got them cooking eggs in a farmhouse kitchen. Huh???

[@kamdan2011]

The original movies were an opportunity to embrace everything loved about that initial 79 episodes episodes and benefited from going to the small screen to the big screen. They were thank you letters to the fans for watching those reruns over and over. The Next Generation was a high quality television series that had a good run that didn’t really lend itself to movies. I can definitely understand the frustrations of the fans to go from All Good Things straight to Generations with the Enterprise-D crashing with a largely inconsequential reason.

[@hannahlarge5738]

star trek movies are always in a different genre, Motion Picture- highbrow special effects movie, Voyage Home- fish out of water comedy, Undiscovered country- courtroom drama, First Contact- Action Horror, Insurrection- Rom Com. People hate insurrection, not because it's a bad film, but because they came for an action horror and they got a rom com. Nemesis was just trash.

[@FrederickLopez]

Despite the highs and lows I have always enjoyed all of the Star Trek films. First Contact is easily the best of TNG films. I always felt that TNG had a better series but TOS had the better films. Each of the films have their moments. Picard S3 served as an epic conclusion for TNG.

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

Picard s3... Man, How ridiculous was that fan service? Not to mention the abysmal villains

[@MMail1984]

​@@Bow-to-the-absurdyou the odd man out player. The majority of us LOVED S3. Don't be salty cause you're all alone in your butthurt

[@whos-the-stiff]

​@@Bow-to-the-absurdhear hear.

[@rb5078]

I prefer Nemesis to Insurrection. I really wish James Marsters had played Shinzon. I can’t remember why that fell through but he would have been amazing.

[@olliehays3206]

They didn't build on possibilities from the series. The first two are ok. They should have had a Romulan War, with great ship fights. Political intrigue, alliances, etc. The world building and factions are set up great in TNG. Instead we get Insurrection (dumb) and the half-baked Romulan/Reman story in Nemesis. There's a reason episodes like Yesterday's Enterprise are good. Its about stakes and sacrifice.

[@Pendra37]

The key problem with Insurrection is that base conflict is dumb and non-sensical. Why relocate a small village worth of people? Why harvest the special radiation belt? The planet is freakin huge. The Sona could just create an isolated colony somewhere remote. Or under the sea, like where they hid the hologram ship. Come in at night, land at the secret base, regenerate for a few months and go back to space to do their things. Instead of those weird surgeries, they could just go down to the planet in those invisible suits. The whole setup was a lame attempt to mimic ST3 The Search For Spock. Make the crew mutiny against Starfleet and go rouge with the Enterprise.

[@ThomasTVP]

Star Trek: Nemesis WASN'T a disaster. The story was good, the f/x excellent and Goldsmith once again delivered a strong score. Only the main villain was kinda weak.

[@timchorle]

I always felt like the problem with "Generations" was the way too long stint inside the Nexus - it felt like we only got to see Picard and Kirk do anything at the end, and the movie was basically over by that time.

[@CoolGobyFish]

why was Kirk even needed? instead of piloting a spaceship, Kirk just goes around punching the bad guy)))) really? Picard could have getting anyone to help him punch that guy.

[@valueofnothing2487]

The problem was is that the only sci-fi was that characters wanted to choose to be in the Nexus instead of reality. But it was extremely dull. I don't think anybody wanted to be in the Nexus. Compare that to Captain Pike in The Cage. He's fighting Vikings, watching slave girls dance, having romantic picnics with lovers, whatever. That would have made a great movie.

[@matthewoehler2472]

@joblo your first line is wrong dude. 6 was the biggest box office since Wrath (2)? The biggest box office before the Abrams films was 4 - The Voyage Home making $109m, 2- Wrath $78M, 6- Undiscovered $74M, which is still less than 3 - Search $76m

[@musclesforsupes]

Fun fact on Generation was that one idea was the Enterprise A vs Enterprise D, they even had a poster idea of showing both fighting each other. Problem was they could not figure out a way as to why they fought.

[@Mandrake42]

First Contact is my fave of the Next Gen films. I saw it at the cinema and when when Data reveals that his "betrayal" was actually a ruse ("Resistance is futile"), I actually cheered out loud at the screen :P

[@GreatPlanet-c7o]

For whatever reason *the studio* always tried to cheap out on every other film. One film would have a budget a do well, the next not so much. It was like that for decades.

[@CR41489]

I know Chris said that Nemesis was Jerry Goldsmith’s final score but it was actually “Looney Tunes: Back in Action” for director Joe Dante in 2003.

[@ProBreakers]

I think the Next Gen movies suffer, at least for me, as more often than not just feeling like extended episodes of the show. I expect something more grandiose for a theatrical release.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

Berman Effect.

[@eddieschwab864]

In Nemesis it seems to me like the character B4 was heavily inspired by another Brent Spiner character outside of Star Trek, Bob Wheeler from Night Court.

[@adainpass]

It is insane how we went from those brilliant, big budget productions to flops bluntly beaten by fan-films made in garage.

[@PrimeEvilDean]

To address the issue with "Star Trek: Insurrection:" From a fan perspective and having watched the television shows and the movies running concurrently at around this time, I believe the main issue with it was the plot. At this point in the TNG era, Voyager was still lost in the Delta Quadrant fighting with Borg and The Dominion was winning the war against Starfleet on DS9......all while the crew of the Enterprise-E was watching kids play with hacky-sacks. This is the flagship of the fleet and the first "Enterprise" to be designated as an actual battlecruiser instead of an exploratory vessel with a veteran crew who are no strangers to space combat. To not have it on the front lines during a war makes no sense at best and at worst, makes Starfleet look like blithering idiots.

[@Calzaki]

The mid 21st century civilian clothing line never made sense to me... Is he expecting the computer to dress them while their in the turbo lift? Is it something to be prepared for them once they reach the transporter room? Is it setting the transporter to change their clothes. The way its shot, to a non trek fan it must look like its the turbolift beaming them down

[@angelbangtana9885]

First contact and insurection are a FANTASTIC two parter. One is the battle for the physical federation, one is for it's soul

[@james3282]

The major problem with Generations is the Dr. could just fly a ship into the ribbon and done.

[@CoolGobyFish]

the major problem is that it's called generations, yet only has the new crew. plus the whole Kirk murder. I thought both crews would be working together.

[@kevinkorenke3569]

I think the larger problem is that Paramount has never known what to do with star trek. When Star wars happened Paramount looked through their catalog, found Star Trek and told their creative team to "do a star wars". Combine that with Gene roddenberry's stubborn nature and you will see that the most successful Star Trek movies are the ones that were given free rein to do their own thing but also to be significantly looser with roddenberry's vision.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

It was more about Rick Berman. Rick Berman who was as unimaginative and bound by the 70s-80s TV paradigm as one could get whose tendencies resulted in 3/4 TNG films feeling smaller than a big-screen adventure should feel. That included no serialization, no cross-over stories between series or series to films, and that every film, like episodes of TV, had to stand on its own. As a consequence, all of the TNG films are one-offs, and there is absolutely a reason they feel like two-part TNG episodes apart from First Contact. You mention Paramount not knowing what to do with the franchise, but back in the 1990s, Berman was in almost complete control of the franchise and that both protected it from Paramount, but also meant no one was there to point out Berman's mistakes. Unlike the dynamic between Harve Bennett, Nimoy and sometimes Nicholas Meyer, there really wasn't anyone that could sideline Berman's complete control. Berman is a very arrogant, douchey guy, who told Shatner to his face that the TNG films were going to make twice as much money as the TOS films ever did, and was never willing to cede control even when guys like Ronald D. Moore were clearly coming into their own as producers. Harve Bennett elevated TV material to the big screen. Rick Berman dragged big-screen potential back down to the TV screen.

[@STho205]

Paramount gimmicks up any TV property they control. S3 of TOS is full of pop culture gimmicks and some Batman and Catwoman dialog. That's when Paramount displaced most of the original Desilu production staff with their own people. They did it to many series and movie series too. Brady Bunch, Odd Couple and Happy Days...they took three rather innocent sweet shows and turned them into contemporary pop culture gimmick of the week. It worked for profits as they lasted longer than they likely would have without it...but as time goes on those are the years that are lampooned as lame and stupid. Paramount did it with Picard 1 and 2. Picard 2 was a pop culture reference cop show tour through the Paramount backlit searching for a plot. Only about 2 hrs of Star Trek story was found in 10 hrs of miscellaneous dead ends. They have done it with SNW as season 1 had about an 8 out of 10 reasonably good stories for the ST context....season 2 is packed with goofy gimmicks, so only 1 or 2 episodes stand up as ST with 1 or 2 more rather weak but OK. The rest look like sketch comedy parodies.

[@jediknight2079]

NBC actually owned ST:TOS in the 60s. The third season was mired in an awful timeslot with a budget that was only about 1/4 of Season 2's. NBC I believe lost the rights when Paramount acquired NBC in the 70s? My facts about the acquisition could be wrong, but either way, NBC was to blame for the shoddy Season 3 of TOS. @@STho205

[@annstevens6223]

I like how Chekov took over as chief medical officer. Shows that an experienced crew can adapt to any situation. All senior staff should be trained in first aid.

[@gailseatonhumbert]

😂 just because it was written for the actual Dr. McCoy who was not there.

[@MrGadfly772]

Both TOS Star Trek and it's movies are unbeatable. The original series characters simply had an irresistible chemistry and the films were far better written.

[@Cyril29a]

The star trek curse is a non starter as Star Trek 3 is amazing and possibly the best in the franchise. Movie starts with a heist, then a roadtrip then a battle action sequence and then the resuraction of a beloved character. It is damn near perfect. "And don't call me tiny."

[@augiegirl1]

There’s a WONDERFUL reference to that line in the NCIS episode “Sticks & Stones”, which aired 2 weeks ago. Nick Torres says: “But never call me tiny again”.

[@Cyril29a]

@@augiegirl1 I am downloading the episode now. I don't watch this show so do you know where in the episode it happens?

[@augiegirl1]

@@Cyril29a An FBI agent is who calls Torres “Tiny”; that exchange happens just after 15 minutes. At timestamp 17:55, we see Torres’ reply after overpowering the agent. BTW, according to IMDb, the episode parallels the 1995 movie “Crimson Tide”. If you're a fan of that movie, you might want to watch the whole episode; I personally haven't seen the movie.

[@Cyril29a]

@@augiegirl1 I am not a fan but I did see it when it came out. I don't remember anything about it.

[@augiegirl1]

@@Cyril29a I was just a little too young (6 1/2 months short of 17) to see it when it was released. Plus, I was just finishing my sophomore year of high school, & I had been working at Hardee's since I turned 16 (my mom had been working part-time at Hardee’s since I was 12, so I interviewed there on my 16th birthday @ the end of November).

[@HUNVilly]

14:45 Duuude, if you are such a star trek fan, why do you say Data instead of Data?

[@jamesbizs]

AI maybe?

[@bjack1547]

Hes a Dr. Pulaski stan

[@lancebaylis3169]

The short answer is that the TNG series had already reached such lofty heights, that oftentimes the TNG movies fell short of the expectations they'd already set. The TOS movies, by contrast, elevated from what had already been done on TV and exceeded it.

[@SamM-gl9zc]

First Contact was great. I love the use of Ooby Dooby as well 😂

[@joe9739]

I like Generations, love First Contact 🖖, and Insurrection and Nemesis both have really awesome parts to them.. I think back-peddling from the dark, slightly edgier First Contact to the PG Insurrection was a big mistake. But I love all 10 movies (You read that right)

[@Filthy_Larry]

Pg 13 is more of a guest to the franchise which is PG at its core.

[@joe9739]

@@Filthy_Larry if Wrath of Kahn came out like 5 years later as is, I guarantee it would be PG-13. I don't think any of them would have been PG if released within the last 15 years honestly

[@Filthy_Larry]

@@joe9739 nah. Pg back in the day had balls. Pg-13 was for more extreme cases as rated R wasn’t wokely, and loosely thrown around for the slightest thing like since 2004. I just remember pg-13 horror movies from 80’s didn’t suck and be all kid friendly but we’re just movies that the entire family could get spiked out about. Then there’s the Exorcist which is a well deserved R rating and scary as hell which will F you up for life.

[@joe9739]

@@Filthy_Larry PG did have the stones. Raiders, Empire, Trek1-3. How about that creepy Cyborg Lady from Superman III😵??

[@Filthy_Larry]

@@joe9739 Superman 3 sucked lol. Superman 2 had someone get their air taken from them on the moon and explosions and then zod gets his hand crushed and killed by Superman. Even Temple Of Doom was rated PG.

[@mattx449]

I think even calling them a mixed bag is generous… they range from terrible to mediocre.

[@jeyfomson6364]

Agreed.

[@Krysdavar]

I really wish they had a final "pass the torch movie" ala TOS, but I guess they did FINALLY get a decent send off, albeit 25 years later...for the last season of Picard. 🙃🙄

[@VinceLyle2161]

Ask a Star Trek fan, "What do you think of 'The Inner Light?'" You'll usually hear, "Oh, God, that's one of my favorite episodes!" Same thing for "Darmok," "The Measure of a Man," "The Drumhead," maybe "Lessons," and all the other thoughtful, well-written, and mostly non-violent episodes of STTNG. The things about STTNG that made us love it are not the things that make for a great science fiction movie, and the things people think are necessary for a great science fiction movie never really made for great episodes of STTNG, "Best of Both Worlds" standing out as an exception, although most of the space battle scenes are Starfleet getting destroyed or being used as a feint to kidnap Picard back to Enterprise. It's because movies need wide audiences, while syndicated TV shows can survive with their core followers, or they could in the late 80's and early 90's. That's why Abrams' Kelvinverse movies did so well, even though what happened in them bore almost no relation to what makes Star Trek great. They were big, dumb action movies, so of course they did well. People love big, dumb action movies where they don't have to think too hard. It's too bad, too. It could have been an opportunity to tell interesting stories with more time to flesh them out. But no mass audience was saying, "What about a movie where people from the future, travelling the stars together, run into a situation with a group of people imposed upon by their own organization? How do they resolve their ethical conundrum, balancing their duty with their ethics?" That's Insurrection in a nutshell. I think that would have been a great two-hour episode. Instead it was a mediocre big-screen disappointment.

[@amigang]

I think it a shame the best tng film is “all Good thing” if only it had a movie budget and had maybe a little more time it would of been amazing, but I still think it’s a great 2 parter. I actually always feel star trek worked better off the big screen, with the film it always feel it has to be a big space battle, and that’s not really what Star Trek is about.

[@Extinguisher10]

My neighbor at the time (not a Star Trek fan) made a point of telling me he liked First Contact more than the Batman movie that came out that same summer. Forget that it was the worst Batman movie to ever see the big screen, I'll take the victory

[@miked-zr1ks]

Most of the TOS films had a thematic and cinematic element that I think was missing from the TNG films. Also, Kirk was always a suave action hero but with a thinking side to him - this lent itself to the interesting character development of such a guy getting older and dealing with his own mortality. Picard was never an action hero or a ladies man yet they tried to make him into one for the films - in my view unsuccessfully. For me ST: Generations soured everything that came afterwards because they did Kirk dirty and did not make the crossover film the grand spectacle that it should have been.

[@richardnixon8795]

I'd say the main problem with the TNG films is the cast. TOS had the main three "and all the rest" while TNG was an ensemble cast where no one shined too brightly. I never got the feeling any of the TNG crew were close. They tried to force friendships (I think Geordie and Data), but overall it was like being at the office all the time. Some people like that. I never did. Row row row your boat vs Gilbert and Sullivan. 'nuff said. :) :) :)

[@richlisola1]

I really hated that they killed Picard’s family. Just as I hated that they killed David, Kirk’s son. In Star Trek 3. Even more traffic that Merrick Buttrick who portrayed David, actually died.

[@Vim-Wolf]

Baird not knowing Star Trek was not an excuse for making mistakes. Nick Meyer knew nothing about Star Trek but wrote and directed arguably the best two of the movies.

[@augiegirl1]

At least Nicolas Meyer watched a few episodes of TOS to get a feel for the characters & stories.

[@ajf5823]

These movies were a LOT better than the JJ Abram debacles, especially “Into Darkness”, which was the worst POS tagged with the Star Trek title ever made.

[@JoBloOriginals]

Stay tuned - jumping into those next

[@stewartmoore5158]

First Contact is not a good movie. It's a well-made movie, for the most part, but it suffers from a dumb script. I think it's a fan favourite simply because it had well designed set pieces, a fairly decent Star Trek 'feel', great acting from Patrick Stewart and an incredible score by Jerry (and Joel) Goldsmith. But that script... Oof.

[@leandar]

The thing about Picard seeming to be a wimp in Generations never rang true with me because look at the TV show, in one episode he took out two Klingons by himself! Now, I have no issue with Soran just being a better fighter, it happens, but it seems to me that even he and Kirk should have been more easily matched, like they were originally.

[@98091238]

I'm surprised that people view Star Trek: Nemesis as the worst of the TNG movies and even the worst Star Trek movie of all time.

[@kevingiven3463]

Star Trek 6 wasn't the biggest box office since "Wrath of Khan" the biggest money maker for TOS movies goes to number 4 "The Voyage Home"

[@steveb1008]

First Contact was the only decent TNG movie. Generations and Insurrection were nothing more than high priced TNG television episodes and Nemesis was SO bad that it took J Abrams 2009 remake to erase the bad taste of that film.

[@theronmitchell3073]

I thought Kelly and nimoy turned it down because the script was generic in their scene with them didn't play to their strengths anyone could have been in those parts

[@OnafetsEnovap]

That, and the budget couldn't (or wouldn't) cover their insurances in case anything happened to them.

[@whos-the-stiff]

My problem with Generations was that it was littered with bad decisions, such as Picard not choosing to leave the Nexus before his brother and nephew died, thus having the opportunity to save them. Why wouldn't the Picard family home have a decent fire suppression/emergency beam out system ? Also the poor Enterprise D being taken out by an outdated Bird of Prey was heartbreaking. The Enterprise D has 360° defensive phasers and a rear torpedo launcher, even without shields the D should have been able to crush that Klingon ship. She deserved a better exit.

[@pathutchison7688]

Dude. It’s like you’re in my brain. When I saw it in the theater and Picard said “ I know just where I wanna go. on the planet, just before Soren destroyed the star”, I almost slapped my forehead at how dumbfounded I was. He coulda gone back a month, saves his bro and nephew and then detained Soren the minute they got him in the enterprise. It was so obvious and stupid that it kinda ruined the movie.

[@mrcat3493]

The decision to axe Wheaton's role in Nemesis is the only decision I agree with.

[@technologic21]

There were parts of Nemesis that were awesome. That movie's cinematography is fantastic, it LOOKS gorgeous and Shinzon was a great villain. It's biggest problem was it was a regular action movie without Trek themes. Generations was an outstanding movie overall, the best of all of them. Insurrection was basically a very long episode of TNG, but First Contact was that perfect balance between action and storytelling...and is the best after Generations.

[@SimonAshworthWood]

Star Trek Enterprise is my fave Star Trek series & its theme song is my fave Star Trek theme song and one of my favourite songs. I find it lire inspiring than most songs in existence (and I’ve listened to 1,000s).

[@jonathanward7320]

I don’t get why Nemesis has so much hate, it has one of the best battle scenes despite the overpowered scimitar. At least you can say it’s not boring, if I had to choose between watching Insurrection or Nemesis I’d watch Nemesis every time, as at least you get to see the Enterprise show what she can do

[@sseltrek1a2b]

saw, "Generations" on a really huge screen, and i thought it was pretty solid...i think it gets less respect than it deserves...

[@joaocarlosferreira5114]

Generations was a big chance to do an honorable encounter between the old and new crewmembers and a crossover of two big franchises, but... they did a very bad job! The death of Kirk must had much more dignity and significance. We didn't ever saw an imagem of the planet Kirk and Picard saved. They lost time with Data's dilemma, what was very bad done and could be explored in another film. Generations wanted to cover a lot of minor things, so nothing was well done. And the focus in Kirk and Picard, an an encounter of other iconic characters, was lost!!

[@bigbadhodad3894]

I always wondered how much water and power paid Soren to redirect the energy ribbon.

[@mrcat3493]

TNG is arguably the best Trek show, but the OG cast is more iconic.

[@aaronatwood9298]

Nick meyer would have been a better choice to direct nemesis. He had a history of directing 2 star trek films that were highly successful and offering creative assistance on Voyager home. Definitely couldn't have been worse than what we got

[@hosnkrocha]

Nick Meyer would not have directed a cheap knock off of his own movie ...

[@jtgd]

26:52 nemesis being spelled like a first grader is the first sign of its bomb

[@andrewblanchard2398]

INSURRECTION was better than NEMESIS INSURRECTION was like seeing old friends doing what they do best NEMESIS was like being the last 1 out the door of an old empty house & turning off the lights

[@thomasjones4570]

Why are you saying this as if the original Star Trek movies werent also a mixed bag. Even the best of them all, Wrath of Khan was generic as fuck.

[@brianmcguinness9642]

I didn't like Kirk's death in Generations. I wanted to see him die valiantly leading a starship into action against overwhelming odds. I really didn't like the way First Contact turned Zefram Cochran into a wacky hippie who was nothing like the serious engineer he was portrayed as in "Metamorphosis." It really didn't do justice to the character. The addition of the Borg queen was also jarring as one of the main features of the Borg was that they were all essentially identical and easily replaceable. The queen seemed like a plot contrivance introduced solely to give the Borg a vulnerability to exploit. The Enterprise E looked cool, though my favorite is still the Constitution class refit. But the Jar Jar Abrams reboot was the Star Trek film that caused me to stop going to Star Trek films. It was abysmal.

[@Idazmi7]

I feel the same. Kirk deserved far better, the Borg were badly handled, Zefram Cochrane honestly seemed like an attack on the original show and it's themes. Seems like Hollywood was going in the Jar Jar Abrams direction for a long time.

[@astrobot702]

Nemesis needed a different director and sure keep a portion of the script but the villain should have been Denise Crosby. The film should have ended on a bitter note showing of the ascendency of Empress Sela. I get Brent Spiner getting older the part of Data but in reality all he needed to do was stay in the gym. Exercise, what a concept. The clone thing was over the top.

[@ammosophobia]

Ever since I started working at Paramount Pictures, as a janitor, to when I finally paid my union dues and got into lighting (then left the company) Rick Berman insisted in calling me "Mi Casita" 🏠 (I am actually thin, the joke is that I am the janitor where he lives since he is always at the studio). He would leave a single 🍫💋Hershey's "Kiss" on the seat of my changing station's chair every morning. The first time I saw him, every morning, he'd say, "How's your 🍑🕳 taste? Keepin' it *CLEAN* 'Mi Casita?'," while he kicked the broom, or mop, handle out from under me. Sometimes, he'd then head straight to his office and trash the place before leaving for a "Lunch" (a golf cart ride through the set and a swing by a bar for an hour) just to make me clean it up 😥; little things, like knocking over coffee cups, throwing pillows, knocking picture frames around, tossing books on the floor ... one time I think he had previously urinated in his trash can, and it had dried significantly in the time since it was discovered. Once, I found only a soiled baby's diaper in his trash can and there hadn't been a baby on the lot in a week. I think he brought it, and placed it there.

[@mikedignum1868]

Never understood why this film (Insurrection) was not based on the Dominion War storyline.

[@Dragonangel426]

_Day Ta, you called me Dat-Ta. One is my name the other is not_

[@UmbraFulgur]

No stupid. Only english twist sounds in unnatural way. He is do it in the right way.

[@misterlau5246]

Oh my Q, In Generations, why didn't they just do the Enterprise B test drive ON TUESDAY?

[@treborkroy5280]

The problem is Wrath of Khan while great, set Trek on a horrible path going forward. Instead of grand, science based stories for the films going forward...they always, ALWAYS tried to recreate WoK with another "person with a ship and a dangerous weapon is out for revenge" plot over and over. All the way to season 3 of Picard. No more stories like Motion Picture and VGer etc, ugh.

[@ajf5823]

To appeal to a larger audience this was required but it was taken to extremes by the JJ Abrams monstrosities

[@treborkroy5280]

@@ajf5823 No it goes all the way back Star Trek 5, then 6, then Generations, then Insurrection, then Nemesis, then every JJ Abrams film and I haven't watched Picard but last I saw season 3, same deal. It's tiring. Like how every Terminator movie does the older model as a protector and a newer model as the bad guy plot since T2 or how every Alien movie is about establishment of a queen and a hive after Aliens.

[@andrewblanchard2398]

it was actually JAMES CROMWELL'S idea to make COCHRANE a 2063 hippie

[@paulj5336]

Generations is i think a contender for the best looking Trek movie.

[@anticalgary]

I think the only one I didn't like was Nemesis. People generally don't like Generations, Insurrection as well. But I thought Generations was really a beautifully shot movie, and if you consider Insurrection as an extended planet episode, then it's great.

[@RoverIAC]

I don't mind that they killed Kirk but I don't like the way they did it. .... and that's where the saying "they dropped a bridge on him" came from.

[@foxdavion6865]

Yeah funny about the jacked to the max comment; Despite how famous his characters are, very few people know about Stewart's personal life, always struck me as a renaissance man or at the very least someone who played a sport (Tennis or something); My grandfather had the same physic because he was always working around the house and in his spare time he went spelunking.

[@fiktivhistoriker345]

It seems to me, that the officials forgot how to tell a coherent, interesting story. In "Generations" they started with a new ship, then forgot about it and went on with a traumatized captain lost in nostalgia, ending with three old men in a fistfight. "First Contact i haven't seen till today. "Slay the Borg" is not what Star Trek should be in the first place. Besides that, wasn't Zephram Cochrane supposed to be "from Alpha Centauri"? Show us something imaginative, not a drunk old fool in a junkyard. "Insurrection" was in my opinion an insult. Only a few hundred people in danger by a corrupt admiral who could not just be arrested? And some weird and slow scenes too. After that i didn't wanted to see a Star Trek movie again. "Nemesis" i saw years later on DVD, and in my opinion it was the best of them, with a charismatic villain who wanted to survive and with Datas sacrifice. Wich they totally ruined with B4.

[@chuckselvage3157]

It was ok. Seeing Malcolm McLaren again on screen was great I've been a fan of his since I saw Clockwork Orange years ago.

[@Deep_Armageddon]

Whats crazy is Die Another Day was a HUGE hit.

[@matthewburns7989]

Pierce Brosnan was loved as Bond. And he really was a GREAT Bond. He was just given underwhelming films after Goldeneye, although personally I find all the Brosnan Bond films watchable, even Die Another Day. Its just Brosnan only got to star in one great Bond adventure, and that wasn't his fault. He never failed to deliver in the role though and so he elevated the material. People responded to that. DAD had Brosnan, and he was a great as ever. It also had a very sexy and on point Halle Berrie. So that probably explains the huge success of DAD. It would never have been in doubt that DAD was going to be a big hit in terms of box office. Nemesis on the other hand was never going to be BIG HIT. It was ridiculous that the film got placed in such an insanely competitive window at the box office. It stood no chance.

[@markleneker9923]

Generations is underrated in retrospect. I think the theme of dealing with death and loss was not embraced by the public because it was a bit of an overall downer but it was actually well done. The nexus ribbon was confused in how it all worked out, though.

[@andrewblanchard2398]

NEMESIS RIKER'S SHIP the USS TITAN was a new SOVEREIGN class ship which is why GEORDI was it's chief engineer & why GEORDI said : " I'LL GET THE TITAN UP TO THE ENTERPRISE SPECS ""

[@andrewblanchard2398]

the problem was by the time STAR TREK : INSURRECTION came around the TNG cast were getting older and didn't look good in the action sequences anymore VOYAGER could've easily been movies plus these episodes were like movies : CARETAKER BASICS FUTURE'S END SCORPION & THE GIFT DARK FRONTIER UNIMATRIX ZERO EQUINOX END GAME and the kazon saga could've been 1 big movie with the filler parts removed CARETAKER INITIATIONS STATE OF FLUX MANEUVERS ALLIANCES BASICS 1 & 2

[@MikeD974]

Generations was good and first contact was perfect I think after first contact it was hard to do any movie that would top that .

[@mahatmarandy5977]

I have to disagree with you about “Generations” being “Not that bad.” It was terrible. It appears to have evolved from an abandoned 5th season 2-part script, and the Kirk/Enterprise B stuff was awful, pointless, and grafted on. At one point it wasn’t even going to be Kirk, it was going to be a holodeck simulation of Kirk, so, I mean, i guess it could have been worse, but the movie is inferior to the TNG finale. Yikes! For me, I’d been growing frustrated by Trek for a while, what with the lame first 2 seasons of DS9, the lame final season of TNG, and the lame first season of Voyager, I saw the movie and I came out of it feeling like, “dammit' they’re just taking advantage of the fans. They put out any crap with the Trek name in it and expect the fans to just shut up and eat it and not complain,” and I just sorta bailed on the entire franchise. I mean everyone was disappointed by it at the time, my opinion wasn’t unique, but, I dunno, it was the last straw. I’m told the franchise got better afterwards, but then again I’m told voyager got worse, so I really have no idea. In any event, I haven’t seen any of it. It was so long ago that my memory is a little fuzzy, so I’m not sure if I saw Voyager before or after Generations, but Generations was the point of no return, and it was the mid-90s so there was a hell of a lot of better stuff to watch. didn’t watch any Trek for the next 20+years.

[@PC-vg8vn]

To be fair the original series films were a mixed bag too- 1- poor 2-good 3-good 4-excellent 5-mediocre 6-very good. TNG: 1-good (enjoyed it more 2nd time around) 2-very good 3-ok 4-mediocre

[@jmfowler9062]

'Data' not 'Data' One is his name, the other is not.