Star Wars Battlefront 2 (2017) Critique

[@Dorkaxe]

Support me on patreon: www.patreon.com/dorkaxe Follow me on twitter for updates on the channel: twitter.com/darkaxe54 As usual, I'll try to correct any mistakes I've made in the video in this comment, so let me know if you spot anything egregious. Edit: Corrections so far 1. Bespin is playable in Blast mode, an obvious oversight on my part to claim it was only there for Hero Vs Villains. 2. Arc Trooper doesn't switch between one and two pistols, he always dual wields, just his aim/fire rate change. 3. Hero Showdown games don't keep going when the teams become imbalanced, I must've assumed that was the case when actually two people let at the same time.

[@kylescott6608]

Games of hero showdown do not keep going if teams become imbalanced. It will say "waiting for teams to become balanced" when that happens, and the round will not start.

[@kylescott6608]

2:08:23

[@Dorkaxe]

@@kylescott6608 thanks for letting me know. Perhaps the time where it kept going coincided with 1 person from each side leaving at the same time.

[@kylescott6608]

@@Dorkaxe For sure, no problem. Loved the video!

[@scottmemelord6130]

Only thing I spotted that was outright incorrect was that you said Bespin is a Heroes vs Villains only map, which is false. Bespin is also a map in Blast as well. (Still doesn't excuse it not being in Supremacy or something. I couldn't see it being a co-op map for many reasons but they could've totally slapped some command posts on it and turned it into a supremacy map. Why they didn't? Who knows.)

[@sneedler5993]

Im so pissed the last dlc of a mustafar map, ahsoka, and ventress was canceled by EA. For fucking BATTLEFIELD 2042!

[@MrNashfury]

Oof. I didn’t know that. That’s rough.

[@Makocat]

Which is why I'm glad that game bombed so hard.

[@harryevans4994]

@@Makocat its such karma for EA, i love it

[@kentown8115]

Battlefield 2042 should have been a s*** stain out of Battlefield bad company 3's a****** and a dream sequence

[@terry85mar]

Call of dooky sucks ass just as bad even though it's not ea. Battlefield and call of dooky are a waste of money just like madden games especially these days where they could just update the rosters instead of making you buy another game at full price with the only differences being the rosters. Call of dooky just removes weapons then adds them back in to make it seem like they're adding new shit to the game. They are adding shit to the game.... from their asses....

[@SteelerFan716]

I’m sorry you had an existential crisis creating this video. Here’s what little consolation I can provide: I genuinely enjoy watching your videos and I hope you keep making more. I appreciate your perspective and love hearing your thoughts on video games. Thanks dude.

[@Dorkaxe]

Hey thanks, that's really nice of you to say. Happy that plenty of peeps enjoy the videos, it makes it all worth it.

[@jamessullysolipsist4860]

Just discovered your channel, I love it, please keep making videos!

[@gabepeterson6414]

A couple fun facts for BF2: 1. Galactic Assault maps are on rotation. So if you trudge through Takodana, you get Crait and then Geonosis afterwards. 2. Bespin is actually a map in the Blast mode.

[@stuglife5514]

They cycler rifle shooting through shields in the first game made sense. The cycler rifle fires solid slugs. In starwars, most shields are for stopping energy, not solid objects (that’s why ships can fly through hanger shielding, or the ATATs walking through hoths shilds) so, it actually made sense if you’re into starwars lore

[@projectgg6730]

I'm glad you bring this up because it is the reason luke could destroy the death star. The exhaust vent thing wasn't a flaw in the design and even had shielding. They talk about it in the brief before the mission. Even with computer targeting it would have been a ridiculous shot to make. Thats why the empire didn't think some random redneck from some backwater planet could destroy it haha. The torpedos he shoots are solid projectiles. Also in The phantom menace the droids open up fire on the gungan's shield with lasers. and when that doesn't work they try solid explosions. A neat little detail for nerds like me! haha

[@danieldalessandro96]

In the words of count dooku "I've been looking forward to this" I will say I preferred the death trooper before the last update when they had the machine gun blaster as opposed to the short rifle. Using overload allowed was great for suppressive fire and allowed one guy to hold down a hallway.

[@JLLullaby]

Agreed, I am also a bigger pan of pre rework arc trooper cas of the fast dual wield pistols

[@connorlange4298]

I can’t imagine how many play hours this took to make, but your reviews are always a welcoming part of the day when I have to work. Love the work you put out

[@fordevoGAME]

The wait has been long.... But so far, worth every bit of it. Edit: One of your best videos so far.

[@SketchyScot]

Having played the hell out of this during COVID on PS4 and now on PC when It was on sale on steam for pennies, I have to say that this is a game that makes me feel what I can only describe as a love/hate relationship. You see, for every so many things it does right, it does an equal number wrong.

[@Ralster]

1:05:28 I broke out laughing at “no way am I going through every singl- so anyways darth Vader…”

[@SpookyShayOClery]

hot damn. This makes my critique look like a joke by comparison. hats off to you man, this is definetely worth a sub!

[@elchucabagra]

dork you have a distinct manner of speech and vocab, glad to see your success hope you keep it up

[@LordVader1094]

2:29:03 But... why? Why would the Empire need to be portrayed positively? The whole point of an Empire POV would be to let you play the bad guys, which can lead to a very interesting story especially with it being set after the Emperor's death with so much internal power plays with the Empire eating itself. There is such a thing as a villain protagonist, after all. Other games did it, like TIE Fighter. It just seems you lack imagination, as did EA. Which is why they had Iden illogically become a Rebel despite being a hardcore authoritarian soldier.

[@Dorkaxe]

I did put a text thing saying that IF they did what I suggested with Del, then yeah sure. If not, though, I'm sorry but I'm just not interested in being a nazi. I get watching a narrative of bad guys, but PLAYING one just doesn't work for me anymore on some level.

[@kingorange7739]

@@Dorkaxe But why would the sentiment be any different when you play as the Empire in the OG Battlefront 2? Like I feel like you need to pick a standard and stick with it, yet you seem to have no issue when it was in 2005. Even though in 2005 you were arguably someone even more evil considering the 501st participated in entire regime changes, putting down insurgencies, and even genocide on a breed of clones.

[@Dorkaxe]

@@kingorange7739 this is just silly. I explained why it's different in this video. The graphics being so realistic makes it different for me. If it doesn't for you, whatever, but I've already explained myself, AND provided a bit of text in the video about Del of how maybe I could see it with a different spin/take.

[@kingorange7739]

@@Dorkaxe So is the graphics is the main thing. So my question at that point would be is the issue related to modern graphics in general or with the hyper realism Dice made specifically. I am just trying to understand your reasoning better man. Like for example would a modern game with a less realistic artstyle like say Halo Infinite's look still bother you through an Empire POV story, or would you draw a different opinion?

[@kingorange7739]

@@Dorkaxe Does this sentiment also refer to the Empire specifically or any antagonistic or villainous force. Like would a Separatist POV story bother you would Dice's graphics or would that be different for you?

[@snowblind9551]

I fundamentally do not get the logic behind "I don't want an Empire campaign because playing as bad guys makes me feel icky". Did you never do a Dark Side path on KOTR? Did you never play with your Decepticon toys as a kid? The Empire is a dumb bad guy faction meant to look cool for the kids, like Cobra from GI Joe. You conflating playing as a Stormtrooper with playing as a Wehrmacht soldier in a WW2 game is ridiculous. And even then, just one year after this game, DICE themselves did a really good German campaign in Battlefield V, making the argument look even more ridiculous. Also, there's literally an Empire campaign in the actual Battlefront 2 and it's universally praised.

[@dylankjscott332]

You know what gets lost on me. The fact that people don’t understand that even if they were all clones, they’d have different dialects and voices because they’re encouraged to be individual. Just let that sink in lol not on topic but just something that pisses me off

[@OscoBosco]

⁠@@dylankjscott332dialects maybe, but the same voice and accents were pretty universally accepted for the clones. Let’s remember it was a very small number of clones that were encouraged to be individuals. In fact most clones had a poor relationship with their jedi commanders because they were viewed as expendable as the droids were by most jedi or even worse like cases with Pong Krell.

[@colinmarch30]

Wermacht soldiers weren't political, the SS was the Nazi affiliated part of the military, a lot of wermacht weren't party members due to not agreeing with the beliefs

[@aaronstark1969]

OG battlefront 2 rise of the empire campaign you are definitely a bad guy too

[@kaiwilliams268]

This argument is poor and laced with personal biases and assumption that it actually lacks logical backing as well. Obviously, not everyone makes the same choices you do. No, I never did a dark side path in KOTR, SWTOR or any other game outside of SW that allows for the choice. I don’t even willingly pick to play as the separatists, empire or first order in this game when I’m allowed the option. I never owned any decepticons personally but the “bad guy toys” were never the protagonists in my “little world”. I avoid “evil” dialogue options in any game I play like the plague, because yeah it does “make me feel icky”. Now what? It’s irrelevant that they’re made to look cool to kids, so what if they do? It just means I look cool beating them. If you’re gonna provide a campaigner with bad guys, they either provide one with good guys as well or I’m never touching it.

[@Void-dg3qb]

When supremacy released I was in the same game for 6 fucking hours and lost I’ve never felt pain like that since

[@b1gju1ce80]

Worst part is with the game and how it tells you which milestones get unlocked with what is that it used to be super simple I got this game a couple weeks after it came out in 2017 and remember it simply showing which milestone was needed right next to the achievement whether it was an emote, a weapon, a pose, a skin or anything like that Which means they took all that simplicity out and bogged it all onto some random assortment and now you have to play where's Waldo whenever you wanna look up a milestone

[@Dorkaxe]

That's utter insanity. I didn't check to see what the game looked like at every stage of its live service/updates, so I didn't know about that. Why on earth? lol

[@b1gju1ce80]

@@Dorkaxe I don't know man😭 No one knows why EA and Dice do the things they do

[@BAKER_SWEETS]

IT'S FINALLY HERE YAYYYY!. I'ma watch this when I get home from school. I'll update this comment with my thoughts when I watch it

[@hoagy4429]

I'm probably the odd one out when I say 2017 Battlefront 2 is easily my favourite multiplayer game ever, (although I do generally prefer single player games), I agree the star card and weapon modifier unlocks were probably tedious to begin with, but I've played the game so much (400+ lvls on all the trooper classes) that I now only enjoy the benefits of the system, where I can play every trooper how I want to play and entirely shift my loadout of cards, guns and weapon mods mid match. But I agree with many of your points, regarding the eras and game modes of star wars. Because of this I almost exclusively play supremacy with the republic era, and only occasionally play HvV. I vastly prefer trooper gameplay over reinforcements and heroes as every kill is so much more satisfying when you don't use a instant kill button. so most of the time I only play troopers and just outright ignore my battle points. Also I think you underestimate how powerful the aerial trooper (not first order) is, being incredibly manoeuvrable while having an instant kill rocket and one of the most powerful blasters is not to be underestimated. One of my main favourite things about BF 2 is that; even my fairly restricted gameplay loop of mostly troopers in republic era supremacy, there is still so much variety with play style. I can play a heavy with an explosive sentry and a combat shield and be able to hold down a choke point almost by myself. I can put the disrupter modifier on the NT sniper rifle and run around quick-scoping people at close range. I can use the snipers shield to get into melee combat and the star card that increases melee damage and the infiltrator ability to get close range and punch people. I can use the officer recharge command and run around with a hero to give them instant ability refills to allow for incredibly powerful combinations, I can flank, I can fight head on, I can play the objective, I can go for kills and kill streaks, the incredible variety that the game offers means there's almost endless content for me to enjoy. I just wish Dice were allowed to finish updating the game as the obvious missing heroes and maps as well as the very obvious bugs (although most of them don't affect gameplay) still annoys me

[@josesosa3337]

I loved your comment. I feel you deeply because when ever possible I just play HvV or republic supremacy. I just wish there was mixed era hero supremacy mode with ONLY the planet phase. I wish there was that option like with original trilogy supremacy. That would be the only thing I played but I dont work at DICE.

[@thisissostupidliterallywhy]

I agree in the sense I prefer trooper gameplay. I never cared for heroes or villain's (though I do see the reason why people like them) because of what you said it's just instant kills done easy and IMO I always think that the original first Battlefront was better in the sense that the heroes and villain's were better when they were AI

[@asturias0267]

Have you played Titanfall 2? It's a really good shooter. After the game got DDOS'd multiplayer moved to an alternative launcher and servers. With this came even more unique content and game modes.

[@b1gju1ce80]

I jus found this channel like a month ago and already watched the other 3 bf reviews in anticipation for this! I already know it'll be good

[@callumbyng2450]

Please keep making videos. The amount of time and effort you put in is super inspiring to see and your takes are always even handed and well backed up.

[@MikeAAAAA95]

Feels good to see you surpass 10k subs. Well deserved 👍 small niche of guys like yourself doing these "old" game reviews and people like myself love them. Keep it up man

[@Dorkaxe]

Hell yeah, thanks it means a lot!

[@josesosa3337]

YOOOOOO!!!! Your battlefront 2015 video was an inspiration for me to write an analysis of the ea battlefront 2 multiplayer but it looks like you beat me to it. Cant wait to watch. Congrats at finally releasing this.

[@Dorkaxe]

I'd say go for it still, I doubt I covered it in a way that someone who is more passionate/knowledgeable about multiplayer shooters would. Hope you like the video, thanks for the congrats.

[@FFContent]

I've been excited to watch this! your BF 2015 review was soo good. just started watching and what you said at 6:25 couldn't be more true, I remember when they announced the solo DLC and the majority of people were like ''wtf Dice'' because at that point the game was still buggy (tho it is still today) and had fuck all content.

[@SilentHillside]

Fantastic video mate. I just finished watching the entire thing in one go! Battlefront 2 is one of my comfort games. Me and my friend recently celebrated 1,000 Hero showdown wins since recording our wins in January. I was introduced to this game through the hero modes, so it was interesting to see your experience through other modes first. I learned a lot. Although this game has many flaws, it’s a great comfort for me. A very reliable, quick and easy experience for hero modes. Also, the sounds of this game are incredible imo Great video :)

[@tommymaxey2665]

Man you are always very thorough with these reviews. I'll give my 10 page comment review of the video and the game itself later. But I played the beta for this game, picked it up in 2018, played with a discord milsim server for this game, then played it one time whenever rise of Skywalker came out. Dice was getting close to making a good battlefront, but they pulled the plug before it became great

[@ilovemonkeyos]

For me, the single biggest factor keeping me from playing the game more is the absolute lack of singleplayer/offline content. No Walker Assault in general for the game, no Galactic Assault, no Starfighter Assault… no offline in general; the real “meat and potatoes” of the game. Even Supremacy and Co-Op are pretty sub-par offline.

[@caporegimeclutch9715]

37:51 Although they only show Delta Squad in one scene in the Clone Wars, there was an entire episode dedicated to Clone Commando Gregor to expand the canon for commandos. I definitely still wish they did more with them in the Clone Wars and its really cool to see them included here.

[@rudyosuna2344]

I think you forgot to mention the flame trooper has a secondary fire that shots a fireball at longer range but loved this video keep up the good work

[@carraigroche9663]

'Palpatine returned in a fortnite event' is the best description of palpatines return ever Year late edit: jesus he actually did return in a fortnite event,i thought that was just a joke about ros lol

[@alexd4566]

2:19:00 Holy shit, you said “quadruple A game” a year and a half before it officially became a meme with Skull and Bones lol

[@horseeatsdogfood5721]

This is such a high quality and in-depth video! Your reviews seem like something from a KZbinr with millions of subscribers!

[@Coldfire242]

“The end” *Picture of Finn* Genius

[@Dorkaxe]

Ah man, so happy someone appreciated that lmao

[@Eltener123]

I think an Empire campaign could definitely work, particularly from the perspective of clones close to Order 66. Before Clone Wars turned it into "nah they were just brainwashed" there was an alternative narrative in some of the books where there was a bit of a reckoning with the fact that the clones were essentially slaves forced to fight shortly after birth lead by an aristocracy (the jedi) willing to sacrifice them by the millions in the name of the eternal battle between two cosmic forces the clones could care less about where it bread resentment among the clones towards the jedi and so when Order 66 came they were happy to turn their guns on them. I think you could get an audience sympathise with a true believing stormtrooper if in the first few missions you witnessed the calousness most jedi treated the clones with, if you had to watch hundreds of preventable deaths caused by Jedi believing they knew better with 0 military training and refusing to listen to clones, if you and your corps genuinely believed the galaxy would be better off without them. You could then do order 66 and go on to fight the early rebels and the framing would be around trying to preserve this relative state of peace there had just been an entire galactic war to achieve. And then you can have a rebel campaign after to show why that world view is still wrong but without your enemies being cartoonish. Playing as the bad guys only to defect to the good guys once you realise that it's bad to be evil doesn't make things grey at all, it's a lazy trope.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

THE EMPIRE ARE LITERALLY ⁿᵃᶻᶦˢ

[@PlatinumGaming67]

How????

[@VortexGaming1194]

It’s finally here and it was worth the wait! Great video. Definitely worth all the effort and time spent on it. :)

[@Dorkaxe]

That's a relief to hear, thanks. When you spend so much time on something you kind of lose perspective on its even good or not lmao so it's nice to see the positive reception.

[@VortexGaming1194]

@@Dorkaxe Side note, I just bought the 2k humble bundle and have a couple extra steam codes that i can give away. Are you interested?

[@Dorkaxe]

@@VortexGaming1194 I would have been down for a trade of sorts, since I have so many extra codes from humble for other stuff, but there's not there that interests me tbh. Thanks anyway, though.

[@windowsinfinite]

Damn, this channel sure as hell deserves a lot more than 1 millions subs with content like this.

[@tsunderemerc2963]

It surprised me how well of a turnaround this game made from one of the most dunked on for micro transactions alone to a really solid game today that's definitely worth checking out even if you just do offline matches. I've played the game quite a bit despite my potato pc having a very hard time running it smoothly without a lot of tinkering. Just a shame EA abandoned the game after they made it good in favor of something substantially worse, but I'll give them credit for improving it at all, so at least we're left with something fun.

[@FFContent]

finally fished the video and I've gotta say great work dude. I really enjoyed this video and you made a lot of great points and you clearly did a lot of research, Like I didn't think you would have known about the parry exploit but the fact that you learned about it shows you put real effort into it. I overall think the game is a fun at times in the moment but its got a ton of bugs, exploits and just overall bad game design that makes it frustrating to play at time and overall it just doesn't have the charm of the originals. also as for the fact that you can't seamlessly go into a vehicle from on the map, that isn't an issue with the engine as previous Battlefield games allowed you to do that but they did also allow you to spawn in from the menu. dice seems to have this thing were they want to make battlefront their own thing instead of doing what the originals did and I think that hurt the game imo. also I have to add that the community is really toxic using cheap overpowered things and exploits like the Finn glitch which can basically be an automatic win on maps like naboo for the defending team.

[@ubermorpth2208]

Very glad to see another long format video from you not seen since DR3 last I recall. Will prob watch this all in the morning while I'm in bed.

[@RonaldAsks]

This was highly anticipated. I can't watch it now but I will once I get back home and I know it's gonna be good

[@NobleJackal]

I was pretty closely watching the developers and their activity on Reddit where they would regularly comment on game issues, the game and the community itself. A fairly big reason why this game was lacking, particularly on the skin front, was because the team had to go through a ton of approvals from Lucas Arts regarding the canon of the skins itself. If it wasn't shown off in official material then it was rejected essentially. The exception to this was General Grievous' battle damaged skins, Dice was even hesitant to include Anakin because they didn't want Anakin and Darth Vader dueling each other because it wouldn't make sense. They ended up shafting the OT era because of development constraints, hence why the ISB Agent was kinda garbage and the Ewok was basically a reused asset. Its also why theres no boarding phase or anything that the other two era's had. The OT was the last major update the game would receive. The community wasn't big on BB8 and the other BB droid, but they were added because they were easy and they didn't have to go through various processes of getting voice actors and voice lines, especially in different languages recorded. Again, this is also because the droids came about around the end of the games lifespan. iirc, one of the leads was moved to other projects around this time.

[@Dorkaxe]

That Anakin vs Vader thing is so stupid, oh man. Either way though, I would think Anakin with his padawan look, Obi wan with a ben skin and etc would be very easy to prove their canon..ness? Idk, seems so weird. Are you sure it was Lucas Arts btw? I don't know why they'd be so uptight about that when the lego games were doing far wackier things. Disney I could understand, since, you know, fuck them.

[@creed8712]

@@Dorkaxe there is something hilarious to me that EA of all companies got their shit rocked by an even eviler studio

[@SpencersRain]

@@creed8712there’s always a bigger fish

[@arnelious4501]

I’m a longtime player of battlefront 2 and I do agree with some of the things you said, however, I think some things are just unrealistic considering this is a modern game. Also you did say there is no bespin but there actually is…

[@justinfleck6329]

As always an amazing well thought out and executed video full of fun little jokes and rants here and there Look forward to your next video! :)

[@landonsanchez311]

This is an awesome video. I have played the game since launch but still found this so entertaining.

[@Anton_Io66]

Love your content Dorkaxe. Criminally underrated for high level of effort put into your analysis of games, this one especially. Always entertaining. Happy to be a follower of yours before you make it big and sell out! Lol

[@Dorkaxe]

I can't wait to be a sell out lmao

[@spencermacaw12335]

This was one of the best video essays I’ve seen! Well done!

[@thetombier13]

Another great video. Watched it in about 14 parts, because it’s crazy long - but don’t change the way you operate. Loved the format, chapters made it super easy to navigate, and (again) it was a great vid.

[@sgtboom7]

The reason Battlefront 2 will always be something of a let down for me (in terms of the campaign). Marketing: "The campaign will focus on the Empire and how they handled the death of their emperor. Experience it through the eyes of an elite imperial stormtrooper and kill Rebel scum throughout the galaxy." Reality: Two or three missions as a loyal imperial, another where the empire does something stupid evil (Operation Cinder was a dumb thing and didn't fit the Emperor's character and no one will convince me otherwise) and Iden Versio immediately defects and you're a rebel now for the majority of the game. I wanted to see that transition of power, the internal power struggles the Empire went through. Sabotaging other Captains, Moffs, and Admirals so that our faction's powerbase grew to be the only remaining faction while also defending and attacking Rebel/New Republic strongholds. And then taking that powerbase to Jakku for the LAST STAND OF THE EMPIRE and to see it mean nothing. But in the last moments of the credits we see something like the first inklings of the First Order or something that would've been far better then the cookie cutter crap we got. And I hated the sequels but if I was lead writer that's how I would've done it. And when they said we would be an elite squad I immediately got Republic Commando flashbacks. I knew it wouldn't be the case but the possibility of it was enough for me to give it a shot. But no, I guess that was too much of a "gamble" or something. Edit 1: I haven't watched the video yet I just like to write out my initial thoughts on whatever is being covered first before watching especially with lengthier videos. So If i repeated something he said, well then it was a coincidence and nothing more. Edit 2: 9:50 Honestly wish more people would bring this up. I am sick of developer's and publisher's (and even some gamer's) fascination on graphics or a bigger play space (at least in the case of Ubisoft). I would gladly sacrifice a game's visual fidelity if it is fun and doesn't try to nickel and dime me so that I can get the "complete" game 2 years down the line. More over, a game that uses an old engine can still look good years after its launch with good art direction and the art style. Edit 3: 41:34 So the reason why some classes feel so similar or some faction's enforcer is more powerful then its rival is because once upon a time every faction basically had the same special classes just reskinned thanks to each class of that type sharing the same abilities. It was the worse with the light side faction as before the update that added the Republic Commando, all light side enforcers were the same Wookiee. And before the addition of the Droideka, ARC Trooper, Republic Commando, Ewok, Ovissian Gunner, Commando Droid, ISB Agent, Caphex Spy, and Sith Trooper. Each faction only had one enforcer and the shared Aerial Trooper. The enforcers were the Wookiee, Death Trooper, Flametrooper, and Super Battledroid. And many of these were updated. Most notably the Wookiee got the ground pound, the Deathtrooper got his E-11D (used to be my beloved DLT-19), and the Flametrooper got a buff that was desperately needed. And lastly the Republic Commando got a much needed nerf shortly after their introduction as their Battle Focus ability used to block 50% of incoming damage and if you were decent at the game, you were basically unkillable with it active. It was better to wait out a Commando's ability rather then try and fight one with it triggered. Oh and the Droid Commando in the right hands is a hero killer since it's third strike knocks down enemies including heroes and cannot be blocked (if I remember right). Just throwing that out there because while yes it's vibrosword is a little weak, its knock down effect make it a godsend. Edit 4: 59:34 I'm sure you'll go into further depth but I just wanted a damaged Darth Vader skin. Grievous has three skins two of which are slightly damaged and heavily damaged why not something similar for Vader? Like in Rebels when part of his helmet is cut open and his cape and armor is slightly beaten up or torn and his lines are dubbed with the original lines and some by their Anakin voice actor mixed together I don't think it's that much to ask for the most expensive bit would be the voice acting. And a second skin where Vader's suit is just in absolute shreds (like the end of Force Unleashed) you see his skin, his helmet is basically off, and he is wheezing with every breath, while his suit has small sparks and embers flowing from it as he moves about. Some also wanted a Pre-suit Vader which would be nice but I fear it might confuse the enemy if Anakin and Vader were to meet and fight and the Vader had that skin on Edit 5: 1:11:05 If you haven't already, look up the old 2002 Clone Wars cartoon series made by the guy who did Samurai Jack. They are short and you can watch the entire series in about 2 hours I think? Maybe 3 as each episode is only about 15 mins long I think. Anyways, Grievous made his first appearance in that and it is the BEST interpretation of the character. Sadly, Lucas had it changed in the movies and then in the more recent Clone Wars series as back in '02 he didn't really know who Grievous was as a character and just gave the writers the finish concept art for him and the description of (and I'm paraphrasing) "A cyborg general that kills Jedi and collects their lightsabers as trophies" Edit 6: Why the fuck did I make this comment so damn long? No one is going to read this and yet I'm still fucking typing! I've only done this comment format for a Skyrim retrospective that was 7 hours long and only because I'd feel silly leaving eight different comments about different points of the video! Ah who cares. If Doraxe for whatever reason sees this, good video, I enjoyed every moment of it. You're a mad lad for trying to complete as many milestones as you did in such a short timeframe, this was clearly a game meant to be played for years and years but its life was cut short with the last update. If you're some random person who is reading this firstly, why? And second I don't know, leave a like I guess, it'd make me feel like I didn't waste my time in this long ass comment.

[@gr-8166]

What you failed to mention in your edit 5 is the voice lines that were said in Hypori. “Make peace with the force now, for this is your final outing!”

[@sgtboom7]

@@gr-8166 I feel like spoiling any part of that episode is a disservice. It’s all so good

[@amicuscure8s]

Great video. This has been my most played game this generation, but I barely played it the first two years it was out even though I bought it at launch. Once they added the online Coop mode and offline Supremacy I was quite happy and jumped back in regularly. I mostly play single player games, but I always need an online shooter (preferably with some decent offline offerings) to lean on. PS3 was Resistance games, Xbox360 was Halo Reach and now my PS4 has been Battlefront 2015 and its sequel. However, Battlefront is probably my second favorite video game franchise only behind The Elder Scrolls. While I had a couple notes while watching I forgot most of them when you ended with offline content because that’s actually where most of my personal frustration lies so that’s what I’m going to rant about. First, the campaign wasn’t great but also could’ve been split screen. Almost every mission has two characters that could’ve been playable (Iden & dude, Han & Chewie, Lando & blue guy etc.). Whatever, don’t care that much as campaign wasn’t as wanted by me as just having offline splitscreen modes for friends and nephews. Yes, I’m in the 5% that still appreciate couch gaming with people (still have Super Smash parties with friends a couple times a year, which is why it’s my #3 franchise behind TES & Battlefront). However, the argument here isn’t as much for myself as it is looking at Star Wars often being more for kids and more family friendly. I grew up with siblings and in a house that definitely couldn’t afford two consoles. So yes, there’s split screen Arcade & Battle Scenarios, but two years later when they gave us offline Coop (it’s in the fucking name!) as Attack and Defend and we can’t do it split screen was frustrating. And I’m sure kids or families would love to do that mode together or offline Supremacy could be loads of fun Versus splitscreen with still the option of cooperative. Plus offline Supremacy doesn’t allow the use of flying ships which irritates me. I know I’m in the minority with these complaints, but it irks me to this day. I still play 2005 BF2 for these reasons. Keep up the good work and videos

[@Dorkaxe]

I'm with ya dude, couch co-op is big for me as well, me and the GF love playing stuff, as well as when the friends come over.

[@dudupiccin5398]

Damn, whenever Im reminded of the sequel trilogy I get so mad. The only reason I didn't get this game or Lego Skywalker Saga tbh, fuck disney and fuck the hack directors they got for that dumpsterfire

[@Boomvoomboom]

Ur missing out

[@lorenzogarcia4335]

Having a battlefront game without anakin and obi wan is like having a street fighter game without ryu and ken. How they even got away with that on top of only having 3 prequel ground maps on launch is still insane to me

[@Ω3103ζ]

Hell yeah brother I was waiting for this

[@davilavi4653]

I appreciate the effort that went into this. It's a rough game. First one was much better in my opinion and this one just goes to show a lot of the reasons why.

[@Makocat]

And the biggest gripe in the game at it's current state is the lack of Level/Team distribution specially when one side has 2 more teammates than they need and the other side and only needs 2 more to start so they all get evenly distributed and get a match instead of still waiting.

[@BAKER_SWEETS]

Ill leave this comment here as Salt and rage bait however this is true. The original trilogy era was supposed to have more fleshed out maps reinforcements and ship phases, however they were canned because ea wouldn't let them finish it, (star destroyer interiors are found in the files and could be seen in scope reflections in the sky when the maps launched) they then made up an excuse saying those battles didn't happen in the OT. The ISB agent is made of reused padme assets, and Ashoka Ventress and coruscant we're certainly planned. The arc troopers also had call of duty style cooling when it launched

[@Lazymanundead]

Gonna have to watch this in multiple sittings but glad to watch it and glad it was released

[@ZacksRockingLifestyle]

I had wanted to play this game since it came out, but I never did, because I was pretty sure my last PC couldn't run it. Halfway through your review, I decided to price-check the game online and got it for $4.99+tax, not even sure if it would run on my current PC... I then played it for several hours and came back to finish your review. Your gripes are on point, and I'd probably been somewhat disappointed playing this in 2017 (+paying full price)... But $5? After the years of improvements? I've had fun. Thank you for making this video, Dorkaxe.

[@utuberz123456789]

The way you talked about the menus made it sound like you were a little gunshy about complaining about them, like you were being nitpicky or something. I think you should have been harsher. For a game like this, navigating the menus is one of the main things you will be doing so that experience should be as good as possible

[@Dorkaxe]

Oh this is interesting, i don't think I've had a comment like this. I like the encouragement to be harsher lmao some menus are so atrocious, man.

[@utuberz123456789]

​@Dorkaxe I get that you probably don't wanna be pedantic or come off like you're going out of your way to look for flaws, but in this game, if you aren't in a match, you're in the menus. They should not be as bad as they are. You make good videos, and you're a smart guy. Don't hold back on saying what you think, that's the whole reason we all listen to you.

[@ninochaosdrache3189]

Your thoughts ab0out the campaign are weird, given that you liked the camnpaign in the original BAttlefront 2, where you are the evil guy as well.

[@kuro2186]

A nice and fun review as always, your suffering through milestones was worth to make me pass a good time

[@nickcalderon2637]

35:44 The First Order Rocket Trooper worked the same way as the rest of the Rocket Troopers initially. It was the Rise of Skywalker update that changed the, from being a regular Rocket Trooper, to being Boba Fett Lite.

[@nickcalderon2637]

1:35:48 I honestly had a blast playing on any Map, the Forest Maps actually are my favorites. The only Forest map I had a problem with, was Takodana, but that was mostly because I hardly ever got to the Final Phase on either side, where I could fight in the castle.

[@danielhalasz5434]

This is a very well and thoughtfully created Critique, so hats off, You did a great job "summ"-ing the life of Battlefront II 2017 which started as a gambling addiction generator and yet at the end it might end up being a decent game. I like how you did your homework for basically everything Jesus Christ... I can imagine how many "What the fuck?.." or "seriously EA?.." line could have have been said by YOu but as someone who pre-ordered the game and even played with it regularly until they canceled support for the game is something I can really understand since I have been there :D One thing I miss from the Video tbh is the rant about how Anakin being INSANLY broken when he arrived is something i was hoping for. Since i've watched your previous star wars games critiques, and in them you pointed out fairly, things which were intentionally or unintentionally overpowered and how they effected a large part of the game and what kind of aftermath they had on the overall game and/or on the playerbase. Tldr: I really like your reasonings (this is kinda rare amongst ppl on-line nowdays) and I can clearly see you have spent not hours but days making this! So good job! Keep up the good work Mate! ^^

[@VISABLETOANYONE]

The fact these games revolve entirely around randomly generated stat buffs and card metas completely makes me dismiss these games in favor of the originals

[@MrSlendyMannn]

58:38 That rubber banding with the force choke though.

[@takeovermars]

I started playing this game and watching this video and talking about the originals made me miss galactic conquest so much I redownloaded it to play again. I really wish they added it to this newest vision.

[@SavingSoulsMinistries]

Great review bro. I just started playing a month ago and although the game is amazingly beautiful, I can’t help but feel like the maps feel uninspired… at least for supremacy . I tried galactic conquest but I landed in a lobby of all 200+ level monsters so I haven’t tried it again. I don’t know, it just feels so much more life less than the original battlefront 2 (2005)

[@AClassicBrick]

I like this game a lot. I just wish we had more Clone Wars Maps. Utapau, Mygeeto, Mustafar, Coruscant... It would've been great. What I don't necessarily enjoy, though understand, is how much more powerful the elite classes are than the normal units. Basicly the four standard classes are mere ponds to be pushed around by everyone who got his hands on the elite units. The Wookie and the Ewok are just to hard to use in comparison to what the empire has in terms of elites, which means that the empire will win more often than not, making matches, especially Team Deathmatch, very unbalanced. Blocking with lightsaber heroes is too powerful in duels. Basicly there is nothing you can do in a saber duel if the oponent just holds down the block button. Look at Dooku for example. He is supposed to be the "master duelant" in the game. But he falls majorly short because he cannot break an enemy block. This means that all his great abilities are invalidated as long as the enemy hero finds the block button. What good is it to have an ability that speeds and powers up your strikes for a short amount of time, if the enemy can just basicly turn himself invincible for a way longer period of time?

[@chobo301]

The grind in this game is just waaaaaaaaaay to much

[@josesosa3337]

At least they have XP events. But what if some people cant play on those days??

[@soremuss]

I've been looking at this game on my Epic games library thinking if i should bother downloading it for 2 weeks, this is perfect timing.

[@GlobalOutcast]

As someone whos fav game mode is hero show down I understand his fustration at some of the "unspoken rules" so here allow me to say them for all who dont know, as somone who has been consistantly playing the game mode for 4 years now.: Emote before a duel Most people perfer to 1v1 tho there is plenty who dont, youll find out very fast who is who. Only resort to blaster users for the last round when its forced Spaming block after you win is considered taunting and toxic

[@jeremybath5499]

I have about 600 hours in this game. While the level cap for Heroes was 40, and ground troops was 80, I loved the grind maxing them all out. I loved grinding to earn all the achievements, weapons and their mods, etc. I don't like that they increased this cap to 1000 - for someone with OCD like me, this is kind of the point where I lost interest in the game. I know it was a cheap tactic by EA to keep people playing this game after they ended up support back in 2020. I loved Battlefront 2, I wish it was still an active game, I have lots of good memories.

[@joeycommet45]

3:52 Never expected to see a battle droid t-bagging.

[@DangerIncFilms]

Imperial campaigns and storylines can be done without painting them in some kind of uber-evil light. See: Tie Fighter and Star Wars Galaxies.

[@creed8712]

You mean the dudes who blow up planets, are outwardly xenophobic, have soldiers named after ww2 shock troopers and are all British are evil?

[@ThatOneMan830]

My God, the unlock stuff with all the cards and weapons and everything sounds like such a fucking nightmare. I’m glad I didn’t pick this game up. BF2 2005’s weapon unlocks via achievement may be broken but at least you can GET them without a bajillion hours passing by. Also, on existential crisis, you do good stuff my dude, if that helps. Your vids are great to watch and have on in the background.

[@CaptainPatches069]

Characters that are missing are as followed: Force user (Jedi/Sith) Windu, Ashoka, Ploo Coon, Asaj Ventress, Qui Gon Gin and Mara Jade Infantry/Bounty Hunters: Jango Fett, Captain Rex, Cad Bane, Cammander Cody, Commander Wolfe, Bo-katan, and Commando Gregor.

[@alexmauney9705]

Speeders got nerfed to shit sometime around mid 2019 because Hero players kept complaining about them, so instead of nerfing damage against them they cut it across the board. In addition when the game launched you could sit two people on the Z-74 speeder bike, however it was promptly removed. Even more curious is that on the Geonosis Supremacy map there is an AAT in the out of bounds section that functions exactly like classic Battlefront vehicles, where you can enter and exit at will. There are also the AT-TEs on Geonosis and Felucia that functions like this as well. I genuinely don't get why DICE was trying to reinvent the wheel when it worked perfect in the classic series.

[@josesosa3337]

For different reasons I always find myself going back to this video. When you talked about getting maps from battlefront 2015 into BF2 there was the issue of the original trilogy content getting most of the shine. This gave me an idea. What if the BF2015 maps were recycled and grouped up into different eras evenly while taking place at different points in the time line?? Content is content so why not get creative and not abandon the good ideas of the previous game???

[@bouncyblight2001]

I’m here after seeing the battlefront classic collection reveal and I love the content! Btw you kinda sound like Syndrome from the incredibles lmao. I look forward to seeing you as well as the other viewers on the battlefield. TEAM CIS BABY

[@joelmacdonald3183]

I love this game to deathbut you’re spot on in pretty much every critique except the force push into death pits. As a blaster hero only player, I really don’t mind, and by now I know when I’m in a position where that could happen to me so I watch out for it, especially against Lukes and Mauls, they’re so predictable

[@keelanbarron928]

1:09:46 we get it! You don't like the sequel trilogy! (And honestly, you should've just saved it for a video on why you don't like the sequel trilogy. Would be better then hearing it over and over again.) 1:10:33 What was the point of this when it has nothing to do with the game? 1:22:19 what's bad about that?

[@idiotindisguise8382]

This game has a ton of flaws in the way they left the game, yet it remains my personal most played game, and favorite of all time

[@LunaPPK]

i assume the clone commando has a repulser because they didn't wanna give them the sniper rifle attachment

[@NateDog975]

This is where the fun begins

[@monodusk.]

The clone commando should've had the DC-17 sniper attachment instead of the repulse blast

[@mdogg094]

I got so secondhand pissed when the guy shook his head in the online hero battle. Reminds me of how often I was kicked in my early days of L4D2 multiplayer because I didn’t follow proper special infected attack order to a T despite having no way to learn that info before playing.

[@Dorkaxe]

I appreciate the mutual feelings towards that guy in the online hero battle lmao. Yeah L4D online community is whack AF. I see you're on the L4D videos, so I'm sure you've seen me semi-bring that up at one point. I appreciate the kind words!(your other comment in the L4D video)

[@BingonSteyen]

Shields in star wars are made for dispersing energy, not out right blocking something, as proven in andor physical projectiles can and will go through shields, so the decision to make the cycler rifle unable to shoot through shields absolutely baffles me

[@DavetheTurnip]

I’m only about 12 minutes in but listening to you rant about things is highly entertaining. 😁

[@Porlarta]

Your mindset on grinding is so foriegn to me. I have more than 200 hours in the game and have literally never played Boba fett. I just play what I want. I just dont understand that drive tbh.

[@venomdragon7853]

Dude the empire got shafted when you started talking about the campaign. The higherups were rotten, yes, But most soldiers were there to provide for families, to escape crime, or to just have something to live and die for. Others believed they were actually making a difference, and on some planets, yeah! The empire knocked out some crime syndicates and made lives slightly better on some planets. Playing as a normal, Rank in file soldier in the empire, making a difference and putting down crime and insurgents, While portraying the good that the empire DID do, would have been a hell of a story. Yes, the empire is evil. But it's evil because of the people in charge, Not the institution itself. For many people, The empire was much safer to be in than the republic, If you complied with the military police.

[@asturias0267]

Gonna be honest, I only ever played the prequels galactic conquest when I played this game. I don't really care for the OT too much and the sequels are dead to me. Still really enjoyed the game. Luckily I only started playing it in 2019-2020.

[@soupking5392]

All I needed to hear was Qui Gon Jin and Mace Windu and I immediately got pissed at the realization how much missed potential this game had.

[@RogueRaichu]

It's genuinely a shame just how much potential this game had only for it to just be utterly abandoned by DICE once it reached the state it should have launched in. And considering what DICE went on to make after it's hard not to feel like Battlefront 2 died for nothing just so DICE could be "all hands on deck" for Battlefield 2042. Which is corporate speak for, "EA wants this game out the door in a year and we haven't even finished prototyping it yet so we need every single dev working on this game so it at least resembles a finished product when we inevitably have to release it incomplete and broken." I'll be honest I do feel for DICE in that situation but they've also demonstrated themselves to be *really* out of touch with what their playerbase wants with 2042 and several design decisions from Battlefront 2. So as far as your 3 bullet points for why this game launched the way it did, I'd really say it's all 3. DICE is out of touch / incompetent, EA is incompetent and greedy, and the AAA games industry is so obsessed with graphical fidelity that it's a detriment to both the stability and overall design of their games. At this point it just feels like gaming is on the decline with Battlefield 2042, Halo Infinite, Cyberpunk 2077, basically every AAA release from the past several years with few standouts being broken unfinished messes with barely any actual substance to them. All they exist for is to sell microtransactions. Sure Indies are always gonna be around and some AA developers have been doing good work as of late, but I'm extremely skeptical of the future of big budget games. Battlefront 2015 and Battlefront 2 were just a sign of things to come.

[@techzone1552]

Yep, very true. It's really baffling how DICE went from Battlefield 1 to this as well. I can't get over how it's just a blatantly reused formula but done sooo much WORSE. Dioxis grenades are literally BF1 gas grenades, except you can't counter them like you can in BF1 😭if you want to rip off your own series, at least do it right.

[@JoseTorres-es9ez]

1:03:34 just keep a blaster hero and lightsaber hero only 2 each map. Then cycle a limit of those hero based on the map selection it’s been done before.

[@loganm986]

It is better than 1 but it still falls into my same issues with it. It doesnt encourage enginuity and creative interaction. I miss old Battlefield

[@jasperfox6821]

Shame about the criticism, because this really is one of the best starwars games out there, it stands on it's own two feet, I love it's progression system, tedium is fun, the feel of being in for the long haul. I usually save and play heros in hero's vs villans because that is so fun, but alot of them are pretty good and with all 3 eras, capital supremacy being an amazing mode, way more heros than launch, a decent campaign..... it's not really bad at all, it never was really, it's just such a shame EA abandoned it, we almost had Mustafar, Corusant, Ventress, and Ahsoka....that would have been amazing to see in game 😊🦊

[@techzone1552]

It isn't one of the best Star Wars games out there, the issue is that it is the ONLY Star Wars game out there like this in the modern day, so it's the only choice people have. It can be so much better.

[@darthtyros3142]

The backtabomb was probably good to remove along with adrenaline stem because of there ability to do really dumb stuff like restarting gun fights on command. Adrenaline stem in particular was very dumb because you could get behind cover and one second later have all of your health back and chipped your opponent to death. The defensive tools in both battlefronts are so strong that the games themselves are balanced around how rediculess they are. Soldiers in BF2 don't has as many broken defensive tools as those were given to Hero's like FInn who himself is an outrageously broken character because of exploits and glitches in the game which completely shape how the game is played today

[@DavetheTurnip]

Man, the amount of work that went into this is insane (ha!). I’m impressed you pushed through. I was entertained and laughed a lot. I hope for your next project you pick something you love. Sounds like you need a change of pace :)

[@Dorkaxe]

Very clever Dave lmao yeah I tried to make the visuals as interesting as possible without getting ridiculous, and I may have toed that line here and there, but I think it came out looking decent. Thanks for the kind words, I'm excited to see the Zero Time Dilemma critique!

[@lazycouchman]

Force pushing is central to the fun in heroes and villains mode for me lol You don't go to the dangerous areas if you don't wanna get pushed. It's an ever present threat that forces you to pay attention to your surroundings, positioning, blocking and attacking. That's part of the fun I think.

[@bubchudlar5629]

The main thing I remember from when it first released was how anemic the prequel stuff was when that was all I cared about. The most egregious thing was how the Clone officer class was just navy fatigues, as well as the republic just having copy pasted rebel Wookies as their enforcer class

[@electronicfoxie]

i don't think i or my friends ever played the sequels maps on Battlefront 2 lol, beautiful points i think everyone agrees with.