Star Wars The Last Jedi 5 Years Later

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Luke trying to murder his nephew is the thing that pisses me off the most, a flashback cannot explain that out of character moment.

[@starwarsnewsandmemes8289]

I'm actually going to agree that this movie was "bold". The thing is "bold" isn't always a good thing. There's a reason that Marvel keeps playing it safe.

[@fundhund62]

There is nothing bold about this film. It´s a poorly executed amalgamation of Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, to the point where entire set pieces get redone. The worst thing the movie does is preserve JJ Abrams beloved mystery boxes, which results in no developments regarding Rey, Kylo or Snoke. Instead he gives Luke an arc, which is not really appropriate considering he is supposed to be a supporting character at this point of the story.

[@ItsJustFox]

It bothers me to no end that this is the ONLY movie of the entire Skywalker Saga that doesn't have a lightsaber duel in it. Ryan Johnson did this subversion of the lightsaber duel in the saga through the bullshit interaction between Kylo and Luke at the film's climax, and knowing that pisses me off even more.

[@isavax3]

It's the only movie I've seen in theatres in my life, where I wanted to walk out. I remember I went with my brother and family friend, and after 15 mins I was like "let's leave, this is so bad." It literally felt like everything we loved about star wars was being thrown away and destroyed, literally like Luke did.

[@D4C_Gaming]

That’s exactly what it was lmao

[@SageMerric]

Like or hate Rian Johnson, he accomplished what he set out to do. He said he didn't want to just create another movie people would watch and never talk about again. He wanted to create something that people either saw as the worst thing ever or the best thing ever, just as long as people talked about it. And at the end of the day that's what I personally want from a movie. I'll never forget the days the leaks were coming out, and even the weeks following its release where I stayed up well into the early mornings just to see everybody arguing nonstop online. It was a real you-had-to-be-there moment and it's insane how ripples from that time is still having effects on the internet today.

[@AfroSamurai-]

I will never forgive The Last Jedi for giving us Fluke Skywalker…

[@saberiandream316]

At least enough people protest what they did to Luke. But despite YEARS of doing the same damn thing on TCW, Filoni doesn't get nearly the same amount of hate that Rian Johnson does. Even though it's literally stripping characters down in the same exact way. Look at Quinlan Vos or Barriss Offee to see what I mean...

[@jakewheeler6014]

@@saberiandream316 Lol dude Quinlan and Barriss are not comparable to Luke.

[@justoneguy2487]

Jake Skywalker

[@abovewater6918]

My biggest problem was Luke (I know big surprise). But in eps 4-6 he showed that he never gives up, would drop anything for the people he cared about, and most of all, when Vader only had a tiny shred of light left, Luke fought for that light and the good in Vader. But he saw some darkness in Ben (kylo) and he almost strikes him down for it? Luke wouldn't do that. On top of completely giving up on everyone and everything after that. That's not Luke, that's some old random hermit.

[@saberiandream316]

You want Luke, read Legends, don't give the Disney canon another second of your time.

[@KopeMusic079]

You’re right. It’s not Luke. Let’s call him … Bearded Idiot.

[@Yoda-wf6bu]

Star Wars has always been a vehicle to convey themes and messages that people can use in the real world. George Lucas explained that his trilogies were about generations, younger people growing up and stepping into adult hood. Having Luke fail it conveys the most powerful message of them all namely, learning from your mistakes. Just the fact that the legend Luke Skywalker can fail and that he still has things to learn, speaks to me. The importance of myth isn't to sell action figures, it's to inspire newer generations. Luke Skywalker's is a story about hope. How one may search for it, lose it, and become a symbol for it. Luke in the end of TLJ completed his story when he sacrificed himself to save the resistance and became a symbol of hope. It may not be your Luke, but it is my Luke. He's someone you can relate to. I can't relate to an infallible hero who doesn't have moments of weaknesses. I think you're diminishing the situation when you say he saw 'some darkness' in Ben. What Luke saw in his vision is up for anyone to interpret. But we know that it must've been so terrifying that he by pure instinct tried to do what our Luke Skywalker would do, try save everyone he loved. You realize that his weakness has always been, when people threatening his loved ones (see Luke in throne room or Luke trying to leave Dagobah in ESB). His failure is the same as his father, who also tried to change the future but instead ended up causing it. Since he couldn't live up to the galaxy's (and the fans') huge expectations it made him question the jedi and his own legend. Luke's philosophy is also very understandable from what we've learned from the prequels. The jedi were flawed.

[@KopeMusic079]

@@Yoda-wf6bu I can see a lot of your points. But what I think frustrates a lot of people about Like is that his actions in the OT are almost contradicted in TLJ. Yeah, in ANH, he was pretty “infallible” in that, he’s more supposed to be a generic placeholder for the audience as the protagonist, and and character development was subtle. But in Empire, they started a much more obvious arc of him learning that keeping a level head and being patient are better ways to truly defeat you enemy, best examples being the Cloud City fight and the throne room in ROTJ. While in the NT, Luke becoming disillusioned isn’t necessarily a bad arc, but the way it’s handled is what a lot of people are annoyed by. What I feel they could’ve done was have him go into “exile” as a way to find a way to stop Snoke and Kylo, learning things in the Jedi temple to make him feel that way, and Rey coming in and reteaching him the lessons he’s already learned that the fight still is worth it and they just have to switch tactics. Instead, (and I believe he implies if not outright states his) he literally just went there to die after one failure. That’s the problem. Of course, your interpretation is valid, I’m just sharing mine.

[@Yoda-wf6bu]

​@@KopeMusic079It's a cool alternative story that Luke's purpose on the island is to prepare for battle. Though, it was already stated in TFA by Han, that Luke left because he took the blame for the creation of Kylo Ren, so it doesn't really work.. TLJ is a great example why opinions on movies are subjective. If you think it was executed poorly, then fair enough. Personally I don't think Luke's actions in the OT are contracted in TLJ, since he's doing what he thinks is the right thing. He truly believes that the jedi is the cause of all the problems and their return will only bring more misery to the galaxy. His story is a parallell to the moment on Dagobah, when Yoda and Obi-wan tries to convince Luke to stay and finish his training for the greater good, instead of helping his friends. It's also in a way similar to the line (but in another context) he says in ROTJ, "I'm endangering the mission I shouldn't have come." He thinks that his presence is dangerous. Also can't deny the similarities with his father Anakin. They both tried to change a horrible future, but it only made them lose themselves in the process. Obviously more so for Anakin who took it so far he committed genocide. While Luke on the other hand after he ignited the lightsaber, thought the wisest thing he could do was to do nothing to change the future. I think it makes sense that Luke begins to question his own legend. The galaxy and the fans sees him as an infallible hero, but the truth is - Luke has never been this legend since he has always had flaws. Luke was convinced there was light in the most hated man in the galaxy, yet he instantly tapped into the dark side and tried to mercilessly kill Vader the moment Leia was threatened. He even tried to strike Sidious right after he saw that the rebels fell into their trap. Luke always tries to do the right thing, but his tendency to act on impulse to save the ones he loves, is his greatest flaw. And that was exposed in TLJ. Luke's realization that the importance of legend is to inspire others and to give hope, I find so freaking powerful that I get goosebumps :3. As said in my previous comment, I interpret Luke's character as a story of hope. How one can search for it, lose it, and become a symbol for it. When I see Luke entering the battle on Crait, I don't simply see him as a ghost. I see him as the literal embodiment of hope itself and living up to the legend everyone saw him as. I think the best way to show respect to a character which such great legacy, is to give them a meaningful story that conveys a powerful message. To deny them character complexity and growth is the biggest disrespect for me.

[@dbradford1star308]

I remember me,my friend and even my mom went to see this and when we walked out of the movie theater i looked at them and said"I have more questions about things then i did going into this movie".

[@r01d2]

the conclusion of Phasma, it shocked me because it's like fireworks goes dud or tiniest explosion I ever see, I remember SuperCarlinBrother made a whole headcanon that Phasma actually a double agent for Resistance, her wacky encounter with Han and Finn in TFA was an acting because she still hiding her true nature of being secretly ally...

[@SoraCloud_2708]

I was talking about how The Last Jedi assassinated Luke's character on twitch stream when Star Wars was brought up and the streamer said that what Luke did in the movie was "HUMAN"

[@saberiandream316]

"Human" is Luke trying to hold back his Jedi Order from leading major offensives against the Yuuzhan Vong. He's making huge mistakes when they are hell-bent on trying to conquer the galaxy, but you can't blame him when he lays down his reasons.

[@Yoda-wf6bu]

He probably meant that Luke's failure made him seem more human. Which is a good point. It's human to fail. You can't really relate to an infallible hero with no moments of weaknesses.

[@Yoda-wf6bu]

@Purple EmeraldIt's not that Luke wasn't a human in the originals. It's that the idealized version of Luke, the legend and myth that the galaxy and the fans believed in wasn't human. You are not very bright are you?

[@Yoda-wf6bu]

​@Purple Emerald How can you deny that fans had extremely high expectations on Luke? They create their own fantasies of what Luke is, and say things like "Luke is always optimistic," "Luke would never be affected over dark visions," "Jedi don't give up," or "Jedi don't act on impulse." They treat the jedi as idealized beings that are basically incapable of failing and have a personality that are unchangeable. They don't treat them as humans, with traits of not always being optimistic or immune to temptation. Nor are they incapable of acting on impulse. Hence when someone say they like Luke in TLJ because he's "human" it means they liked that writers didn't make him one sided character that is overpowered and instead embraced the flawed side of him. It's really not so hard to get. And not only is your statement wrong in the fanbase, it's also wrong in the story of the sequels. Everyone in the resistance thought finding Luke would solve all their problems. E.g. see the quote from Poe in TFA; "Well, because of you, now we have a chance (said in the context of holding the map to Ahch-to), and Rey saying in TLJ, "that old Legend of Luke Skywalker that you hate so much, I believed in it." The story itself makes a clear distinction between the legend and the individual of Luke Skywalker. One that the fans and the galaxy expected to see, and one that is human.

[@KVJoker13]

This movie man. I remember reading a tweet of a guy who brought his mother to see The Last Jedi. He said his mother cried because she was angry about how Luke Skywalker was portrayed. I agree with a lot if not everything you said. One of my biggest gripes is I wish Finn was able to use the lightsaber to make his fight with Phasma have more symbolism (breaking away from his past life with the weapon of a Jedi). This movie (and this trilogy as a whole) is the epitome of don’t blame the actors.

[@saberiandream316]

This is why I stick to Legends. I don't care what Filoni or Disney do in the new order. My Star Wars is the original universe that existed from 1976 to 2014 and no matter how hard Disney buries it, we'll keep the torch going from one generation to the next.

[@Rivers727]

It was never canon under Lucas and Lucas completely took a wrecking ball to the EU with the 08 series. Get over it

[@saberiandream316]

@@Rivers727 And so's the sequel trilogy, bub. Your childish appeal to authority fallacy looks pretty damn stupid when for decades it thrived under George Lucas, but once he was out of the picture and Disney had the full rights, it was discontinued.

[@wickdaline8668]

To be frank, I've never cared much for Legends apart from the KOTOR and TFU games. Republic Commando too. But to each our own. The Disney Canon has it's supporters too. Even me. No offense to any Legends fans who've felt alienated since. Even you.

[@Rivers727]

@@saberiandream316 Bub anyone who has basic 5th grade level reading and do one iota of research would understand that while they went into a different direction, they took some ideas from the treatments Lucas submitted including having a female protagonist and having Luke as a dark hermit. And anyone with kindergarten reading level and a functioning memory would remember the vitriol Lucas got when he did away with the EU. In fact I'm pretty sure we got into a fight like this in another video with Geekdom. It's sad to see you haven't change. Continue clamoring for something that will never come back

[@saberiandream316]

@@Rivers727 Filoni does not do justice to the Legends elements he recycles and he takes from the EU without crediting it, like Maul's spider legs or the recent Tales of the Jedi comics. And yet you still got idiots who love the shit he pulls when half of it is derivative of Legends anyway. But people hate Legends and love him despite the fact that he's a shit writer. And it's ironic that people still wanna hate on Legends when every complaint they have against the sequels are literally not present in the old EU.

[@jamestyler3606]

Oh boy. This movie is the weirdest 2nd act of all time. When you look back on movies like Godfather part 2 or Dark Knight or Spiderman 2, they all delve into the characters. 2nd acts tend to be the ones where it's the darkest for the characters. TLJ was not that. It instead did nothing and I think Rian expected people to praise it for doing nothing in the 2nd act. You can do new things but there's a reason the 3 act structure is a thing. And also what they did with Luke was straight from Lucas' treatments. He wanted Luke to be a hermit despot hidden in the first Jedi Temple. I wish JJ had done the whole thing

[@lakersfan2425]

There would probably still be people upset with it (me included), but it is highly dependent on how Lucas did it. I highly doubt the way Rian Johnson went about it would be the same as Lucas

[@virgogaming6488]

Empire is really about nothing too since Last Jedi used the blueprint for it.

[@Afrotistic]

There's an interview where Ryan Johnson says that he wants his Star Wars movie to break the fan base and that if everyone liked it it'd be a problem for him

[@bernardomansoldo2978]

My biggest problem with TLJ is that RJ failed to make a compelling villain. Kylo was inferior to Rey, so when they killed Snoke, we had a story where the villain was weaker than the hero. And Rey had two chances to take down Kylo: First when she woke up after the duel and the second after rescuing the "resistance", Kylo was alone on the ground, she only needed to go fight him. And we are shown that Rey does not want to fight. She gives Kylo the silent treatment as if they were a couple having an argument. Everyone that died between Episodes 8 and 9 was because Rey chose not to act. There's also the problem with Finn. The momment they introduced Rose, Finn lost his free will. He was not allowed to do anything unless Rose would allow it.

[@Yoda-wf6bu]

"Kylo was inferior to Rey" How did you come up with this conclusion? What in TLJ made Rey look stronger than Kylo? ..That Rey woke up before Kylo did? If anything TLJ shows Kylo being leagues stronger than her, seeing he's fighting 3 guards while Rey is struggling with only one in the throne room.

[@justoneguy2487]

@@Yoda-wf6bu the fact that Rey defeated him in TFA. "But he was weakened by Chewbacca's crossbow" then why not have him defeat her regardless, with her barely escaping with her life, to show how powerful he really is and how far she still has to go? The hero defeating the villain symbolizes that they have achieved their external goal of becoming stronger and this is generally after they have encountered each other for the first time where the hero was defeated - it gives them a goal to work towards. If the hero defeats the villain on their first attempt, as Rey did, what do they have to work towards? How is the villain supposed to be intimidating or taken seriously as a threat? (and before you say it, NO, Kylo kidnapping Rey in the forest earlier doesn't count at all because she hadn't yet awakened her powers) This isn't a satire like One Punch Man which intentionally breaks conventions for the sake of comedy, this is Star Wars which, despite having moments of comedy, has always followed a semi serious to completely serious tone.

[@bernardomansoldo2978]

@@Yoda-wf6bu She defeated him in lightsaber combat in TFA and they were at a draw during the Force Pull competition in TLJ. Don't get my points confused: 1- She is stronger than him; 2- She had two chances to end Kylo and to stop the war and she chose not to take his life. Waking up at the throne room and at the battlefield in Crait. But going back to point #1; how boring is the movie if the villain is not a threat to the hero?

[@Yoda-wf6bu]

@@justoneguy2487 we're talking about TLJ here. Read his comment and read my reply..... I didn't even like TFA for all of its cheesy conveniences. But Rey beating Kylo didn't bother me a lot, because Kylo was indeed a threat. Even after he was shot by a bowcaster that makes stormtroopers explode into the air. If you rewatch the scenes, Kylo is overpowering both Finn and Rey for the big portion of the fight. It's not until the very end that Rey goes full light-side mode, like Obi-wan in TPM after Qui gon jinn died, that she starts to overpower Kylo. "The hero defeating the villain symbolizes that they have achieved their external goal of becoming stronger and this is generally after they have encountered each other for the first time where the hero was defeated" Look, all stories doesn't need to be written the same way, and after the same formula. It would be very boring if that were the case. These movies wants to tell a story of a hero and a villain that are equals in the force. Darkness rises, and light to meet it. That's not to say that Kylo is not stronger than Rey. I mean it's so obvious Kylo is far more skilled dualist and more knowledgeable about the force than Rey is. If they were up to a duel when Kylo isn't severely injured, then Kylo would've def won everytime against Rey, just like we see in TROS (if not for Leia had intervened).

[@justoneguy2487]

@@Yoda-wf6bu "We're talking about TLJ - not TFA" THAT RIGHT THERE! That's the problem with TLJ and its fans like you - refusing to acknowledge that it's part of a trilogy and thus needs to follow through with what's been established in the previous film and set up stuff for the next film. TFA made the stupid mistake of Kylo defeating Rey, it was TLJ's job to correct that by blatantly demonstrating how large the gap between them was and yet it didn't do that. Don't compare Rey to TPM Obi-Wan - Obi-Wan used his brain to outsmart Maul, Rey simply overpowered Kylo. "Not all stories need to follow the same formula otherwise it would be boring" I know, that's why I mentioned One Punch Man, which has a writer that actually knows what he's doing. The sequel trilogy didn't have that luxury when it tried to break conventions and look how poorly it turned out with fans and general audiences. You cannot look at the backlash and divide these movies, TLJ in particular, had and tell me with a straight face that it is objectively well-written and half the audience "Just doesn't get it". When a significant portion of your audience doesn't like your story, you have done something wrong as a writer. A character having conflict isn't some simple convention that can just be broken - it is a critical aspect of storytelling and building audience sympathy for them as they struggle to reach their goals. If you're going break it by making them overpowered, you as the writer need to find other ways to compensate in order to make the character compelling. Without Kylo being the big powerful obstacle for her to overcome, what does Rey have that makes her a compelling character? The mystery of her parents? Well no, JJ basically said that was irrelevant in TFA when Maz told her they wouldn't be coming back for her only for Rian to reintroduce the mystery box before subverting expectations by saying they were nobody. JJ retconned that with Palpatine in TRoS of course but that was such a dogshit reveal that it meant nothing. What else? She wants to be a Jedi. Why? What is her motivation? Luke answered Obi-Wan's call and wanted out of moisture farming; Anakin answered Qui-Gon's call, wanted out of slavery and wanted to free his mother; what motivates Rey to be a Jedi other than "They're cool legends"? What else? She wants to help bring Kylo to the light. Why? Why does she so quickly gain sympathy for the murderer of Han Solo, the first father figure she ever had, just days after he killed him? Why does she trust him so easily? "Because she's a good person" what a bare-boned, boring, clichéd character motivation.

[@captainfach]

I understand everybody's criticism with Luke's portrayal, but I always liked it. You can see in the original trilogy that he's always been flawed, he was saved more than he saved others, and he's always had problems with his emotions in the dark side. When he saw this pattern of the Jedi becoming blind to the dark side and letting it rise up within them and killing them all thought for one second he could end it and then felt so terrible with himself that either he shouldn't have done it at all and maybe that meant he wasn't meant to be a teacher if he could give in to the dark side, or maybe he should have went through with it and he could have saved everyone. But at what cost? To luke, this was all his fault because just like with Vader threatening his sister, he lost it. He gave in to the dark side in that moment. Only this time he couldn't take it back. You couldn't fix it. And yes he was wrong to hide away but when people are in such depression and distress their minds aren't in the right place and they make the wrong decisions and think the wrong things. It happened to me when my dad died I thought to distance myself from everyone hide.

[@OdaNobunaga15]

If Johnson had directed a Star Wars film or series that was entirely separate from anything Skywalker related it probably wouldn’t have gotten as much backlash as TLJ.

[@saberiandream316]

Would he really? Filoni mishandles Quinlan Vos in TCW and gets massive praise for it. Johnson mishandles Luke Skywalker in Last Jedi and somehow he's the devil while Filoni is not, really?

[@jakewheeler6014]

@@saberiandream316 Quinlan is not in anyway as big or important or as popular as Luke they can't be compared. Also he was in one episode.

[@illuminaticomfirmed6948]

He didn’t, the parts of TCW that would have destroyed Quinlan Vos weren’t made into episodes proper and released until after the Legends scrub as the Dark Disciple novel. Which isn’t really a defence as he planned on shredding his character but it didn’t actually happen hence the lack of anger. Also what Filoni ruined is nearly as popular as Luke so naturally ruining say the Mandalorians wouldn’t cause as much anger.

[@Iceman19852003]

I can never forget the moment, the moment when Luke held his lightsaber HIS FATHER'S lightsaber and chucked it over his shoulder.... Thats when I knew something was very very wrong..

[@saberiandream316]

Something was very wrong when Lucasfilm discontinued the old EU out of sheer pettiness, when they could have kept it going in parallel alongside the official canon under the new Legends banner, the way fans were ASKING for at the time and _still_ are. Ego, vanity, and narcissism fuel Disney-owned Lucasfilm, not love, creativity, and talent.

[@jakewheeler6014]

@@saberiandream316 Nah the legends thing was fine with me but you have to make good stories.

[@ssjmatthew1286]

“Space Hitler” LMAO 😭😭😭

[@Thunder-StrickenStudios]

I didn’t watch any of the trailers for last Jedi. I wanted to go into this movie surprised, and I was VERY disappointed with how Luke was handled.

[@vicredes]

I saw this pop up and 1st thing I said out loud, "IT'S BEEN 5 YEARS?! I REMEMBER IT LIKE YESTERDAY!" Man, time flies.

[@duncanbradley9616]

9:03 💯 remember this!!!! Well said Bro!!! 👊👊👊👊

[@Bacontats]

I just remembered that this movie opens up with a “yo mama” joke

[@jurassicpark1fan920]

The Last Jedi film isn't an objectively bad film simply because there are Star Wars fans who both passionately love and hate it. It as the very definition of a divisive film. The film has problems from story, character, and plot wise but it's in my opinion a greatly made film.

[@NiyiDaNinja]

I tried rewatching this movie months ago but then I got to the scene when Leia uses the Force and I had to turn it off cause it was really bad in every way. I want to finish it some time so I can remember the things I liked and disliked about it, only thing I remember is that I didn't like the parts of the movie that didn't involve Rey or Kylo. The only part of the movie I remember really enjoying was the Throne room scene

[@mzkiller2240]

So many times I've tried to rewatch this movie hoping that something changes with time, can't last 30 min without turning it off in disgust

[@xXNP4CNuclearXx]

Been waiting for this video

[@GuyTheGuardian]

I remember when you made your first video about the last jedi. that really opened my eyes to how bad movies have gotten.

[@WorldofGeekdom]

thank you! i started a movement

[@xenoslayer360]

Can't wait for your Rise of Skywalker video.

[@Vivi_9]

Rise of Skywalker is just completely indefensible. TLJ there are reasons to like parts of it, RoS however... I just can't understand how anyone could unironically like that movie.

[@xenoslayer360]

@@Vivi_9 that I ain't doubting it for a second

[@jeskerjames3260]

I'll give the movie credit for one thing: It looks pretty. Seriously the visuals in this film are stunning. The throne room scene with Snoke, the showdown between Luke and Kylo Ren, even the scene with Luke fading while looking at the sun, there are beautiful scenes. But that's just it...The Last Jedi is eye candy. It's sugar. But there is no substance and nutrition here. There were 3 questions we needed answered here: 1. Who is Rey and why is she so powerful? (You don't defeat the grandson of the chosen one who trained under Luke when you're nobody, even if he was injured by Chewie's blaster and unable to tap fully into the Force because of the emotional turmoil from killing his dad. Even Kylo at 50% of his power should mop the floor with a nobody.) 2. Who is Snoke? (Even if they went toward the Palpatine direction and Snoke being an experiment of the Sith to act as a puppet leader, that's fine, but set it up. Gives us clue and hints. Don't build him up to be some big bad, when he's a red herring.) 3. Why did Luke go in search of the first Jedi temple? (Luke should have gone to look for a solution to dealing with the First Order and the rising dark side in the galaxy. Maybe he wanted to get back to the roots of the Jedi, believing there was some ancient knowledge that could help. But you have him go there to die?! You have Luke give up?! You have the man who believed there was good in Darth Vader of all people and be proven right, go to kill his nephew who hasn't done anything evil at that point, but just had the potential for evil?! And you expect me to believe this is the same guy from Return of the Jedi?! That is an insult to my intelligence. F@ck you! lol)

[@saberiandream316]

In Legends, Jedi Master Luke made every effort to try to return rogue or fallen Jedi back to the cause. There's Brakiss, and Daeshara'cor, just to name two examples. Not what we got in the movie, but that's fine by me, since it's a good argument in favor of continuing Legends.

[@jeskerjames3260]

@@saberiandream316 Exactly! If Luke sensed the dark side growing inside of Ben, he should have examined where the previous Jedi went wrong dealing with his father and try to not repeat their mistakes. Not be like "Oh sh%t my sister's kid MIGHT become evil. Gotta kill him in his sleep!! After all, killing younglings is a Skywalker family tradition!!!"

[@Jbills]

The only thing George Lucas had to say was that the movie was “Beautifully shot” - that should tell you enough

[@saberiandream316]

@@Jbills I wish the damn fandom would move past George Lucas, especially since he himself has and everyone abuses his words and way of life to put down and demean others. It is exhausting.

[@raidendwayne21]

5 years later I still hate it with a passion

[@saberiandream316]

I never even saw it. I jumped ship with the original EU in 2014. If Legends fans had no place, then neither did I.

[@saberiandream316]

@teleportdinero I never had to, lol. I have Legends. Nothing else exists to me.

[@DarthGuyver]

I hate it more than I did.

[@MattyJBass]

Here's the thing with Luke. Him doing what he did to Kylo was not the problem. If anything, It tracks with Luke (Let me explain) since he did the same thing on a way worse scale against Vader a.k.a the whole reason why he wasn't helping either as an x-wing pilot against the second Death Star. Or be on the ground level with Han and Leia helping them out. Until Palpatine of all people pointed out what he was doing. To me, Luke's weakness is threatening his family and friends, even if you are his family and or friend.. He'll let his anger get the better of him (He is Anakin's son after all) But no, the real issue is Ryan gave half an explanation as to why he left everything and everyone. And it's really not that hard of a fix. After what happened with Klyo, If you had him go face Snoke and lose to the point to were he barely escaped with his life. And then telepathically as Luke was flying away to regroup Snoke says "If you show your face in this conflict again. I will kill your Nephew on the spot and every one you love. Go somewhere in the far reaches of space and die." That would have been way more interesting seeing Luke in this Rock in a Hard Place. Not being able to do anything while there's nothing he can do! And then the films message can be "In times of hard ship, You do what you can." Plus, it would make Snoke a WWAAYYY bigger threat. It's really dumb Ryan only gave half an explanation and reason. Also, I don't even hate this movie. It's just not good writing when they could have focused more on that then the other stupid shit. Cheers Danny :)

[@Yoda-wf6bu]

To me, it's a way more interesting story to see what can make a fully trained jedi master question his own believes. A religion that he has lived his entire life by. It's so satisfying to hear him actually criticizing the jedi and exposing their flaws from what we've learned from the prequels. I really liked that Snoke got killed because it made Kylo Ren the central antagonist. It's something new and original. Your fix doesn't really work since it's already explained to us in The Force Awakens by Han, that Luke took the blame for the creation of Kylo Ren. Also, learning from your mistakes is a way powerful message than "In times of hard ship, You do what you can" :3

[@jb-dn5fy]

I'm sorry. This goes against the fundamental elements that make Luke Skywalkers who he is! He literally would not give up on his father who is not only responsible for the genocide of the Jedi Order but the thousands upon thousands of people who died at Vader's hand! So you mean to tell me that he detects a bad dream from his NEPHEW and then tries to strike him down!?!? I need to be able to speak 4 different languages to fully describe how trash this movie is.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Nah, maybe if it was built up to, I could theorhetically see him doing that, but doing it through a flashback is some naruto levels of bullshit.

[@Bearwolf13]

Vice Admiral Holdo is the WORST Star Wars character of all time!

[@kb24420880]

As soon as Luke threw the lightsaber I knew this shit would suck

[@joncooper6387]

The worst thing about TLJ was that it spawned the most annoying, hypocritical group online the fandom menace

[@WGPhil-uw5cs]

I mean they do have a point. I'm not a fan of the Fandom menace but the criticisms are valid.

[@joncooper6387]

@@WGPhil-uw5cs I agree with some of the criticisms but seriously all they do is complain. They're no different than the sjws

[@WGPhil-uw5cs]

@Jon Cooper or they have a wall of marvel legends or star wars black toys unopened.

[@WGPhil-uw5cs]

@Chuck Buskee they are paying customers so, of course, they can voice opinions. Im not a fan of those channels because it's content spam. But a good chunk of them like young rippa has made an effort to create their own content rather than crying about Hollywood.

[@joncooper6387]

@@WGPhil-uw5cs Don't get me started on that. "Oh let's make fun of the consoomers while we consoom the product by having all our toys out in the open." Hypocrites.

[@Jociaoftrades]

When I went to watch this movie, I was super hyped. The Force Awakens to me was a really good first step into a new trilogy, so this one had me hyped. And after watching it, I did think it was a good movie, but I hated immediately what they did to Luke. I explained to my girlfriend that isn’t who Luke is. He wouldn’t do that. And that was one of the major points that turned me away from the movie. Then over the years as more and more opinions came out I grew to hate this movie in fact hate the whole trilogy, despite Force Awakens doing nothing wrong. And the way Rian defended it in fact seemingly laughing about it, daring to be challenged, really made me hate this particular movie even more. And that is what made me decide the sequel trilogy is a Disney Star Wars tale, not a Star Wars tale. It is a shame as Force Awakens gave it potential. And The Rise Of Skywalker I went in ready for a joke and it truly was one. Truly selling out.

[@Yugi3344]

I straight up refuse to see any movies made by RJ cuz of his arrogance and how he insulted the fans.

[@Hypershell]

Two words: Admiral Akbar. Remember he was in this movie? Oh right, you don't, because they didn't even bother to tell you that was him in the background until after he died. I certainly agree with Danny that a professional reviewer should be more articulate than to say "it's woke" and call it a day. But at the same time, I think the reason people can get away with that is because we all basically know that people who make agenda movies do not care if they're actually making a quality product. Still, that's a casual conversation, not a review. Kylo may be among the more intriguing characters of the sequel trilogy, but I never once believed he was a strong enough character to carry the weight of the trilogy as the main villain. It just wasn't going to happen, and that's why killing Snoke, while good for shock value, was a mistake for the trilogy. The ONE THING I liked about this movie, which Ep9 undid, was Rey being nobody. I actually did like the idea that the Force, being a living thing with a will of its own, could simply choose someone of its own accord. You can't completely ignore the Twitter/media drama, either. It wasn't just Rian; every trade article and seemingly every public LucasFilm employee made it clear that you either liked this movie or you were a bigot. That, above all, is why this movie had the impact that it did. I don't even think this is the worst Star Wars movie, I think Attack Of The Clones is, but it was the most damaging to the franchise because it laid bare LucasFilm's hostility towards the audience (a mistake they repeated when they fired Gina Carano).

[@Jociaoftrades]

Usually I watch your stuff when I’m at work, but I’ve been waiting for this one so going to watch it soon.

[@israelruiz8706]

Looking back at this movie 5 years later. After all the hating and stupidity that was this movie. I can give my opinion that won't involve trashing this movie. Okay so my critique comes from the scene were the Jedi books were burnt. Like when the hell were these books created. And that got me thinking. The star wars universe has pretty much expanded the lore of the jedi that establishing a new concept will always come with backlash. And years later it's been proven a good amount of times. For example, rogue one was a movie that didn't use the typical jedi plotline. It instead focused on a group of characters that live in the universe of star wars and can show different sides of the rebellion and empire which we haven't seen as often. And its been reinforced more by the the show Andor. Now the mandalorian showed the side of the bounty hunters that was established by Bobba fett. And granted they messed up with the book of bobba fett, but it only proves the point that if they were to focus on the world of star wars instead of already established characters and themes, then it leads to something better.

[@gamingguru2k6]

My favorite scene was when Leia said, "I'm Mary Poppins y'all." I cried, truly such an emotionally compelling scene.

[@626Rips]

I feel bad for the actors they didn’t deserve the hate they got they writers and Disney didn’t give them anything to work with

[@winderfiend7647]

At first I thought the move was alright after the first viewing but after thinking about it more I’ve just grown to despise this movie. I like the idea of Luke getting tired of the Jedi but he acts so out of character in this film. “Don’t confront your fears!” Huh?!! I thinks they should’ve dedicated the entire film to him if they were gonna do this tbh. Biggest sin of the movie was them screwing up Space battles with that dumbass Hyperspace Ram. Looks pretty but now everyone for the past 50,000 years looks like a bunch of idiots for not doing it

[@saberiandream316]

Tbf, we have zero idea how huge the Disney Star Wars timeline is, especially since they seem to want to have their cake and eat it too when it comes to having all the benefits, fan goodwill, prestige, and creative framework of the much-regarded Old Republic era of the timeline as canon without it actually BEING canon. That's noteworthy when it comes to Disney Star Wars. That there is no bedrock foundation to what they do. It is incredibly wafer-thin.

[@watsonsmith4126]

If someone asked me to make the Sequel Trilogy the way I wanted to, I would've had Luke ask himself "How do I not make the same mistakes?" I would also have everything mapped out, and even tease Darth Maul as the main villain of Episodes 10, 11, and 12

[@saberiandream316]

I would have just set the movies after Crucible and dealt with a Gen'dai Sith Lord.

[@Yugi3344]

That's the thing, if Lucas did make the sequels he was gonna bring Maul back as the main baddie

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

5 years ago Gisnep dropped a dollop of shit upon the world.

[@pablo8524]

Are you going to cover across the spider-verse?

[@WorldofGeekdom]

yes

[@chancecole437]

This is my favorite of the Disney Era films 🤷‍♂️oops.

[@WorldofGeekdom]

lmao

[@chancecole437]

@@WorldofGeekdom Not the “LMAO” of shame!

[@westiniroh5406]

I hate this movie. Speaking of Collider, I discovered that channel when I saw Harloff torching this movie to the ground. Time flies. I actually respect 9 as the apology that it is.

[@lonewolfRPR]

This film makes attack of the clones more watchable. lol

[@lakersfan2425]

I remember a person that worked at ESPN said that this movie was better than ESB 🙄🥴

[@mattsell2361]

The biggest problem is he wanted to like make his own thing and didn’t take this serious and was like yeah I wanna put my own spin on it like huh.

[@saberiandream316]

When Filoni does his own thing, people cheer. When Johnson does it, people scream. This fandom is just pure idiocy.

[@mattsell2361]

@@saberiandream316 filoni doesn’t do his own thing he is the successor of George Lucas everything he does has the original themes of Star Wars in mind which is why he is successful rian Johnson tried to make his own thing there’s nothing hypocritical or idiotic about fans we just want quality content

[@saberiandream316]

@@mattsell2361 No he is not. There's documented videos out there where he admits to sneaking things past George, and using George to get permission to overwrite content from his own story (which is the six movies). Filoni has never fit well into either the six-episode saga Lucas built, or the surrounding lore from thousands of years of history around it. He takes from it, twists it, and then claims what he's lifting from doesn't exist to excuse his own poor writing skills. The cowboy is overrated and he's never been this great champion to traditional Star Wars the way modern revisionists treat it.

[@mattsell2361]

@@saberiandream316 alright well I won’t be able to change your opinion but your just objectively wrong

[@saberiandream316]

@@mattsell2361 Filoni was given specific instructions by George Lucas and he always failed to live up to them, and for that he uses George's talking points to defend himself, which is very suspicious. Like how he's operating with only movie characters? And yet when he uses the character of Quinlan Vos, he completely mishandles one of the darkest and grittiest EU characters into acting more like a surfer dude. That's mischaracterization as bad as what Johnson did to Luke. Or take the idea of pacifist Mandalorians. An idea George supplied, but the EXECUTION was all on Filoni, and his response to the backlash was to quote George's talking points. Note that that isn't saying ANYTHING, at least anything of substance, it's just a very cleverly concealed appeal to authority fallacy. Filoni wants you to blame George Lucas for the reason that he's a very shitty writer who treats continuity as a dirty word.

[@thelastdisplay]

Great thoughts abound in your video bro! I agree with everything you said here (and I remember you were one of the first slamming this film on KZbin - I subscribed to your channel almost immediately after it). You could do a MasterClass on how to ruin a film franchise with The Last Jedi, and this video is very close to that.

[@superelite5133]

I absolutely loved your force awakens video but this! This will be fun to watch.

[@AndrewAce.]

This is where the fun begins...

[@Jbills]

5 years later and it’s still impressive how bad they managed to drop the ball with this movie…

[@Calebjones87]

I hated rosé characters, I bet the kissing Finn was the actress idea as it wasn’t part of the script because the expression of John face was like what are you doing

[@Deagle-lj7tv]

This movie destroyed the magic that was star wars

[@georgecostan3248]

I liked it at the time, because TFA was just plagiarized stuff and a freaking waste of hype and time. Now, I feel like Ryan Johnson tried to make another Ep. 7 and shit all over JJ Abrams movie, because nothing got explained, except for Rey’s, Kylo’s and Luke’s background (which JJ should have done). Kylo becoming the leader of the First Order was an awesome idea, but it was too soon. The Luke-Yoda dynamic was great, but the scene should have been a flashback, part of Lukes process of trying to be a teacher, not something central to Luke’s role in the movie. A movie with very good ideas, but terribly executed. TROS didn't even have that...

[@dashingdreww1185]

Never forget Rose stopped Finn at the end from sacrificing himself because she loved him but if Luke didn’t force project and bought them time then Rose woulda got every killed 😵‍💫

[@dashingdreww1185]

@Chris I haven’t seen in a min , wasn’t that the point of his suicide run to bye them time to escape

[@bladerunner951]

I have a lot of problems with this movie, but I want to address the so-called "SJW" messages. Let's just look at the war profiteers on Canto Bight. I don't really mind that idea in itself (heck, it's actually fairly realistic) and being critical of capitalism isn't even that new to Star Wars. Just look at the Separatists in the Clone Wars era. Mega cooperations (Trade Federation, Banking Clan etc.) with private armies who threaten to overthrow the government. In light of this, some greedy bastards making a buck on the war is not that far fetched. Where it goes wrong is how the message is delivered. We have Rose delivering this preachy monologue while many of the casino guests are shaking their fists at the camera and even when Finn and Rose land on the planet we literally see some wealthy alien twirl his mustache like a cartoon villain. All right, we get it! In general, the movie is annoyingly blatant with its messages. There are quite a few scenes, like the above, where the characters seem to be at least partially talking to the audience to make sure that they caught on to what the movie is trying to say. That just doesn't feel like organic dialogue, in my opinion.

[@stfuinc.202]

The 9/11 of entertainment lmao

[@saberiandream316]

The seeds were already present for YEARS prior to 2017, though. People should have _listened_ to EU fans, but they just ignored, belittled, sidelined, and mocked us. Last Jedi, in that respect, is karma.

[@DSIrocker]

I respect those who don’t like this movie respectfully, but I personally love it

[@KingG3244]

The only reason I didn’t walk out of this movie was because I realized that I didn’t drive my friends did that’s it.

[@Bearwolf13]

I retroactively love this film, not because it was good cause it was HORRIBLE... But because this is the film that people started realizing how bad a lot of films and franchises are and it's okay to say how trash it is. It also showed how much the media attacks people who don't go along with every little thing. The divide between critics and audiences is real...

[@saberiandream316]

Well, it also did highlight certain management flaws with Lucasfilm and how they have a problem listening to their customer base, but the angry yelling agenda-pushers hijack the narrative to suit their own causes, so it's not like it's easy for Lucasfilm to do that.

[@jordancrossgrove8827]

I remember the hype for The Force Awakens and how for the first time in a decade, being a huge Star Wars geek was like being in the limelight. And for two years all the theories and hype building for TLJ was some of the most fun time I had on the Internet and KZbin. And once trailers came out, the hype meter broke, at least for me. I have never EVER been more hyped for a movie than TLJ. Then it came out and my shock at how they went about it took words out of my mouth. I had to see it 3 more times in theater’s before it left. But I didn’t absolutely hate it. And after a while, after debating and thinking and listening to arguments for and against it, I realized how much I actually did enjoy it, despite its incredible flaws. I truly believe this AND ROS had good ideas (mostly), but were just poorly executed, just like Game of Thrones. Some things just needed reworked, but in the end…I don’t hate this movie. I actually like it the best out of the sequel trilogy. Minority, I know, but as much as love Star Wars, I can’t hate this movie the way ROS deserves the hate. I wish this movie would have lived up to the hype and expectations so bad, but that’s life I guess. I’ll still look back fondly of this movie and the fun times I had leading up to its release.

[@saberiandream316]

Empty hype, it was built on the ashes of everything that came before. "Let the past die, kill it if you have to" was their default management from day one - just look how they treated Legends fans! And yet everyone scorned us until it interrupted their precious headcanon. As far as I'm concerned, the fandom _deserves_ this. We made the bed. Now we should lie in it.

[@Dani-kq6qq]

Best star wars movie since the original trilogy imo, thats my memories of the last jedi, it must be a real crappy feeling to not have enjoyed it. For me, it gave me almost everything i wanted.

[@626Rips]

This movie was bad when it came out it’s bad if you watch it now and it’ll always be bad this movie was a disgrace to the franchise and as a Star Wars lover I’ll never take the time to watch it again in my life I haven’t see it since when it came out and I never will again

[@sevenapollo6882]

This is one of those movies where the more you think about it, the worse it gets. I actually enjoyed this movie at first walking out of the theater, then the more I let it sit, it became one of the worst star wars movies ever made in my mind. Also, I remember in the theater when Rose stopped Finns sacrifice I legit said "WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?!" out loud in the theater.

[@chancecole437]

I will never forget loving the film in theaters, then coming home and seeing the online discourse, and it was so shocking.

[@billmcdermott9647]

Do you still love it?

[@chancecole437]

@@billmcdermott9647 It’s my favorite Disney-era film 😬

[@billmcdermott9647]

@@chancecole437 glad you could enjoy it

[@jamiemcneil9682]

The problem with this film is, it easily falls apart under scrutiny.... oh, and it's boring.

[@lonelyfanboy4833]

This film is difficult to like but also difficult to enjoy. Granted the following film did a lot worse but when the franchise is already broken, there’s nothing to break. Even when a villain came back from the dead.

[@El_Cucuy]

I've been waiting for this one...

[@EP-dn4kh]

Yep geeks and gamers doesn’t stop with the woke movie reviews its so annoying… I stop watching them…

[@AndrewAce.]

Wow, just like when you uploaded the TFA video, I was just thinking about this film and saw the video on my feed. The thing I was thinking this time was that it's funny how the OT has "Return of the Jedi", while the ST has "The Last Jedi". That says something to me... Unlike TFA, I cannot defend this movie...

[@Avarn388]

Andrew Ace TFA is bad on its own merits but I can see why some folks like it. TLJ spits in the face of that movie(and by extension the rest of SWs). It's the stinkiest turd of the bunch.

[@AndrewAce.]

@@Avarn388 TLJ is as bad as it gets for me. As for TRoS, I just laugh at it. It's beyond help, and borderline doesn't even need to be discussed...

[@michaelcarpenter2498]

It is a pretty movie, but like the last avatar movie, being pretty is still not a goid movie. Fin was wasted, a bad middle section, terrible characterizations. Really the only good thing was Kylo Ren. He took Star Wars and tried to turn it into the latest iteration of Battlestar Galactica. And he killed Luke. And Star Wars has never recovered.

[@wickdaline8668]

Everyone's favorite SW film of all time! Which I really wish I weren't saying with such sarcasm right now. Which is also coming from someone who isn't a hater of the film either. My condolences to those who are.

[@mostcreativename1]

My favorite of the sequel trilogy. Was not a huge fan of ep 7. 9 is undoubtedly the worst and also just a terrible film in general. I think this could have been a great launching point for wherever they were going to take Rey and Finn. But they messed it all up in the next one. Luke played a great role but they could have used him either more or a bit differently. But I still enjoy how he contributed in 8. Over all definitely the one I go back to the most

[@KopeMusic079]

Whenever I talk about this movie with people, I always describe it the same way: “Plot Twist: The Movie”. Granted: I don’t HATE the movie. I love all things Star Wars and the film has some generally good moments (I’m a sucker for the throne room scene, fight and all) and all the actors did the best they could with what they were given. However, it was the most disappointed I’ve been with a Star Wars movie cause it could’ve been so much better.

[@saberiandream316]

And then people want to say it's original? This is just an attempt to be this generation's plot twist that Vader is Luke's father.

[@KopeMusic079]

@@saberiandream316 exactly. It’s like the DC event comic “Armageddon 2001” where they changed the ending cause it got leaked and they thought having a twist is what made a good story. (Spoilers: the issue with the twist SUCKS!)

[@Zetaforce-uv8el]

I’ve been waiting for this one with your thoughts on Rhino Johnson and this movie.

[@ramblinnernd5905]

I’m glad I never saw this in theaters however I still saw it eventually. Ruin Johnson takes everything great about TFA and absolutely destroys and spits on it. The pacing is garbage and the scale is nowhere to be seen. This movie is terrible and fractured the fan base. Sure Rian has some good movies, but I’ll never forgive him for this.

[@xshockz]

Ruined the sequels

[@chungkingexpress94]

I hated TFA when i saw it, and its still shit. What JJ set up in TFA was garbage to begin with. The First Orde and Starkiller base are both stupid. Snoke already sucked as some sort Harry Potter reject villain.. JJ's "mysteries" sucked. Luke had already abandoned everyone in TFA. There are things I don't like about TLJ, like Rose and Finn, but I just don't understand to this day the problem people have with what RJ did with Luke. It was the best possible approach after the bullshit JJ set up. Even the Rashomon-like retelling of Luke and Ben's story from different points of view was so much more like Lucas Star Wars vy drawing on Kurosawa and being about real film influences, not JJ's TV level shit. TLJ haters always talk about how RJ made Luke a coward. The fuck are you talking about? Dude literally dies trying to help everyone while also teaching his nephew one last lesson about the fuliity of the dark side. The Luke stuff is beautiful and you're all nuts for not appreciating it. Luke in the original EU was the most boring character and by the time if the New Jedi Order I was so bored with any scene he was in. TLJ gave Luke an intense emotional journey that was fit for cinema. It's 35 years later and the dude is now making some of the sorts of mistakes that Obi and Yoda made. He goes into exile like they did.

[@IGotThisGeorgeLopez1]

This film has the worst opening crawl

[@meowskiss4475]

They completely chang3d the direction of Finn in the last 2 movies to the point that the first movie makes zero sense in comparison u can clearly tell there's a relationship brewing with Finn and Ray... along with the fact that he would learn to become a jedi to help Ray fight kilo but nope they basically made him fodder and fed red Ray to kilo as a love interest... smh shit was very weird

[@BM-sg1sl]

A great movie but not a great Star Wars movie.

[@Avarn388]

It's funny; when I got out of TLJ I was really confused. I remember deluding myself into thinking I liked it until I heard others, Mauler and friends around me, attack it and then I realized just how bad TLJ is. This is a movie that deserves to be studied in film school(alongside the Hero's journey) on how NOT to make a follow up. The movie is made worse when you realize that A) there was no plan for the Sequels and that Rian only ever cared about commenting on the meta of SWs rather than actually giving a continuation. Not that TFA was great, but dear lord; it's better than TLJ. There are a lot of things I could go after but for me; what the film did to Luke Skywalker was unforgivably bad. What's funny is whenever TLJ defenders attack me their go to argument is that I wanted a more heroic Luke? First off, what's wrong with that? The guy was a hero and can still be a hero. And secondly, I am FINE with Luke being a fallen hero trope. Yeah, I think concept wise; it is a neat idea. The execution is dog crap. Compare Luke Skywalker to the likes of Unforgiven, Logan, Peter B Parker, Samurai Jack in Season five; it's night and day. All those characters, in spite of their hardships, still kept fighting. They never ever gave up. Luke Skywalker like a B gave up and worse was willing to abandon his sister. BS. That's straight up character assassination. And don't even get me started on how he handled Kylo Ren. All in all, when I saw Luke butchered; I knew that I could never love SWs the same way ever again. It was creatively dead. You will get the hits here and there, but TLJ splintered the franchise in such a way that I argue we'll be seeing the effects of it for decades over. And also screw Rian Johnson. The guy purposefully did this stuff to divide audiences and has a huge case of Dunning Krueger effect. You want good subversion? Watch Kung Fu panda 1. Or Play KOTOR2.

[@saberiandream316]

Attitude matters. Chris Avellone was likewise not a hardcore Star Wars fan when he came aboard to make KOTOR 2, but he did his research and told a masterfully crafted deconstruction of the Star Wars mythos.

[@Avarn388]

@@saberiandream316 Chris Avellone is a good writer and also clearly was considerate when doing stuff in KOTOR2 because good subversion what it should do is that it should ask questions and actually propose a solution where it fixes the problems and ends up making the situation better. KOTOR2 does that while also respecting what came before it. Rian Johnson can say till his face is blue that he was a fan of SWs but I fail to see that with TLJ. It comes off as a hate letter; someone who maliciously hated Luke and wanted to destroy his legacy while also propping the newer characters. And I'm not for that period. Seriously, compare TLJ Luke to Peter B Parker. They are ironically very similar but at least Peter B Parker still kept fighting; was willing to teach Miles and wasn't made to be a complete idiot. He learned to trust Miles and fundamentally both became stronger as a result of their time together.

[@saberiandream316]

@@Avarn388 As I said, attitude matters. And Chris Avellone had the right attitude.

[@Jbills]

Well said 👏

[@xenoslayer360]

It ain't that movie kid

[@TRSega]

This movie...

[@saberiandream316]

Is the gift that keeps on giving. It's a great argument in defense of the Legends universe everyone mocks.

[@spritvio639]

Oh Disney, Disney, Disney, Disney, Disney, Disney, Disney. You had it all and you ruined it.

[@saberiandream316]

They burned it down long before 2017, though.

[@levilevilivemccree5078]

This prob was the biggest disappointment in cinematic history IMO

[@saberiandream316]

It's not disappointing to me. I have my Legends books. I don't NEED Disney Star Wars.

[@YhwachTheAlmighty]

The Last Jedi is the worst film ever made. A truly despicable and satan incarnate of a film.

[@jonmurphy4889]

Still sucks I don't give a Fuck what anyone says I still can't sit through it without being bothered... They should have at least stuck with the plan that JJ laid out in Episode 7. It's incredible how bad Disney Fucked up and didn't tackle the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy with a plan other than to subvert expectation and let directors do what they want to do for the sake of change and to get a reaction out of fans. I'll still never forget walking out of the theater with my friends and dropping to my knees and screaming nooooooooooo!!! Yes it was an impression of Darth Vader from Revenge of The Sith but it was exactly how I felt. Me and my friends are girlfriends had never left the theater like that in silence we didn't know what the Fuck to think. I couldn't believe Luke didn't train Rey she attacked him he died like a bitch Snoke was dead and was still nobody Luke didn't want to be a Jedi anymore it was just so devastated if you don't understand it that's fine but after so many years to see this happen to your favorite character was terrible especially after all the hype from Episode 7. Once again I stick with what I always say you're out of your mind if you didn't enjoy Episode 7 after having no Star Wars for so many years and seeing the original characters back on the big screen. It had a good plan they should have stuck with it Fuck Rian Johnson

[@saberiandream316]

*laughs and dives right back into my Star Wars Legends books*

[@jonmurphy4889]

@@saberiandream316 for real man for real

[@saberiandream316]

@@jonmurphy4889 The haters can go shove it up their ass.

[@bernardomansoldo2978]

JJ did not have a plan. He did his mystery box thing and let someone else figure out what was going on. The problem is that RJ decided he would demolish everything instead of trying to build on JJ's boxes.

[@jonmurphy4889]

@@bernardomansoldo2978 oh that's what I meant

[@prolastmedia6171]

There's nothing ignorant about the desire to eat the rich, what's ignorant is the rich forgetting that the people *allow* them to amass and retain wealth.

[@yourkingreturns]

I don't care for the story, but visually it is still the most pleasing Star wars movie lol.

[@jockmctodger]

No Darth Vader = no Star Wars END OF.

[@RJ-mi3ck]

This is probably a hot take but I honestly don’t think TLJ was THAT bad. The stuff with Canto Bight and the whole sideplot with Poe fucking SUCKED, don’t get me wrong, but I actually really liked Luke’s characterization and the dynamic between Rey and Kylo.

[@WGPhil-uw5cs]

I'm tired of deconstructions like the last jedi and the boys. People who do deconstruction pieces shows how bitter and miserable they are.

[@doctordakotascorpio7047]

this movie almost killed my love and passion for star wars. hated what they did to Luke here. 5 years later. i honestly don't care for this movie anymore. it's the one movie in the sequel trilogy i dislike and don't care for the most. episode 7 i admit i did enjoyed but episode 9 i found it Meh.

[@saberiandream316]

Disney has killed a lot of people's love while they preach inclusion and practice very real _exclusion._

[@jonyD143]

I stopped paying attention to Star Wars completely after this movie came out. The new one that came after was even worse in my opinion. I remember studying the star wars data bank and reading EU books but those days are gone. I'm on HxH now which is probably the last thing I will cling to.

[@captaincharisama94]

I like it

[@caponecollectibles3199]

And they want to bring Johnson back terrible.

[@lakernation26]

God damn. I rmemeber walking out of this movie being confused asfuck. I was like ain’t no way this Star Wars movie a Star Wars movie could be this bad. I was like is it blasphemous to say this movie sucked? But boy I was right I saw how it shit the bed online. Movie is 🗑️

[@livrax5827]

Movie is so vastly overhated. This plus Andor and clone wars are the best things to come out of recent star wars

[@Avarn388]

@Livrax Nope. It’s hatred is 100% justified. I can’t say about Andor because I haven’t seen it. But TLJ has aged like milk