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[@JonRandall-mz8vb]

Something doesn't add up. All my local stores got almost exactly what they ordered the 1st time around. One of my stores ordered 280 boxes of the first set, and got 250 for this set. Another store ordered 150 they're getting that much again. But honestly, hearing you talk about "why would you grow the community at retail when you know it's going to be triple the price soon", that's just you gouging your customers. Business or not, that's not how you treat customers. Talk about someone who doesn't have people's best interests at heart.

[@rng-gamez]

@@JonRandall-mz8vb you have no idea what you’re talking about enjoy your hobby

[@JonRandall-mz8vb]

@@rng-gamez Lol you're literally talking about holding onto your precious 28 boxes until you can triple the price on them. You MADE THE ARGUMENT "Why would I sell this at retail when it's going to be worth more in 3 weeks?" You rolled your eyes at the notion of "growing the community" And guess what, my store that got 250 boxes, is selling it for 110 a box. Because they are taking care of their customers. You're saying you can't do anything with 28 boxes...Run draft tournaments at your store. That way people who want the cards are getting them and not scalpers and you're still at least taking care of your customers getting product in their hands. Enjoy not knowing how to run a hobby shop. Bro come on.

[@rng-gamez]

@@JonRandall-mz8vb I sold all of them for MSRP on presale you nut job

[@rng-gamez]

I’d love to know the store you’re referring too that you own.

[@rng-gamez]

@@JonRandall-mz8vb once you start doing what’s best for you and your business people get mad. Just like in life once you start doing what’s better for yourself you start shaking a lot of leaches from your neck.

[@kyr_glassjar]

Eyeballing every other star wars tcg in the tcg graveyard. "Looks about right."

[@Categoryonegames]

Decipher had a great thing going. Hugely popular, with lots of players and collectors. The player's committee for this game still makes sets, runs events, online play, etc. This game would have had a 2.0 version made and would have lived on for a lot longer if not for an internal theft of the majority of the company funds by their accountant and ..... Lucas pulled the rights from them at the end of their contract and gave it to Hasbro/WotC because of their toy deal/relationship. It was something like WotC's 5th game, they didn't care for it, didn't support it like a top-selling game, and the Decipher players wouldn't touch it feeling betrayed, it quietly was born and quietly died. Fantasy Flight came into the license, Destiny was a good game until they killed that and now the current game is.....still a Fantasy Flight made game which means it has all the normal issues you deal with when dealing with Fantasy Flight.

[@MTGUnpacked]

Makes it tough to build a player base when the boxes are still priced in the stratosphere!

[@williamdegrey]

28? Our tiny lgs here in Sweden will get 60.. 😮

[@axjedi376]

People need to understand Asmodee can't go on the printers and say " Hey I want more card now". The printer will probably say " Sure but next year..." The quantity is planned a year before with the printers and you can't change it now. So quantity is based on fist on 1 set (the hype was very low before the game came out) so yeah until set 4 that will be a bit sad but Lorcana did exactly the same.

[@LL-rn2xp]

This is what Asmodee and Bandai do best lol.

[@nickfanzo]

This game gonna be dead soon No locals in my area, all cancelled $900 a case for the new set - WHAT?! I usually buy cases not boxes. Again the point I am making to people is this is a Disney owned franchise, they can’t afford a printer than can handle demand? And to fantasy flight games, if this game lives, which I doubt it will, I’m never buying your games again. I’ll stick to Pokemon, they seem to know how to print cards with the money they have. Disney seems to be sleeping here and letting fantasy flight do whatever. Or they’re pissed and we aren’t hearing it.😂

[@greglott4977]

Where are you? I’m in Dallas and the game is going STRONG.

[@ValariaxSword]

Yeah, a couple bad sets that will eventually happen and when the license fee comes up it’s time to close shop again. Just like with SW: Destiny.

[@Palatopia]

Oh man, that sucks. Are they lazy, stupid, or have a vested interest in failure? Hope you feel better soon!

[@ItsapaulPlays]

That all makes sense. I actually got pulled into it because of the casual commander-like format, but am gonna check back in after set 4 when it's officially gonna launch (allegedly). Asmodee's financial situation coupled with their track record has me assuming I'll need to find another tabletop game instead...

[@Categoryonegames]

European stores had a much better chance of getting what they ordered. The distributors in Europe let online-only stores get products in much higher quantities than US stores. Talking to various stores here in Utah, one got a massive supply because a store closed in Arizona and they picked up their full allotment while another large store got around 6 cases, they are the largest store in Utah and got shorted...... while Amazon still has them in stock but limits you to 3 boxes and won't ship until mid-August. Walmart got their stock in and sold out within 12 hours - also a limit of 3 but have actually delivered them.

[@Categoryonegames]

I talked to a store in Arizona recently that had to order 100 boxes from a store in the UK just so they could get product. It isn't moving in the UK but stores in the US can't get it.

[@jeremiahchamberlain4179]

New tcg games are mostly a scam, i will go no where near the next big thing that fails in a few months. Thousands of failed card games. If i am going to spend my hard earned money on a tcg uts only going to be ones tested and true for decades.

[@MerpDerp-hz9tt]

For real. That is one of the reasons I have stayed clear of FaB, Metapoo, Sorcery, etc. Just way too high of a chance that a new TCG will fail. I contemplated Lorcana but I’m just not really a fan of the IP tbh. So I’ll stay with Magic.

[@le_med]

Two months before Sparks was launched I asked a LGS if they would have it and they said NOPE because the company had a history of massively f ing up and they warned me. Seems they were right. I could have spent 3k on that game and instead switched to buying lorcana and magic

[@ricardoblikman2676]

Turn it around: you make a tcg you sell a box for 100 and someone else sells it for 200 and the amount of boxes you can make is limited. Why would you sell those boxes for under 190? yes it is not good for longlivity but in the angelo saxon businessmodel everything is about short term gains over long term. Shareholders, banks, employees everyone want short term gains!

[@Stormy-bw2cz]

I find it very easy to get the boxes where I am it must be diffferent places I think the game is the best card game I’ve played way better than Pokémon

[@Leshil]

Quite honestly, I'm surprised companies like Asmodee, Hasbro, Fanatics etc don't just do direct themselves and cut out the middle man for the sake of maximizing their profits. Yes, it would screw so many small business owners and distros, but that seems to be a potential future.

[@rng-gamez]

I think it comes down to man power, way easier to just pass it on and take a small cut

[@LisaSchmidt-h6y]

In Europa Spark of Rebellion is 120€ and Many out There

[@kujobro]

Im pretty sure they are spreading out the second set release vs shipping nearly all of it out the door in the first couple weeks like set 1. Once people stopped whining about ffg killing games off and realized it was fun everyone started scooping it up within days. a few stores got a couple boxes a month to keep people coming in for drafts…It doesnt help that people are buying way more than typical to chase the showcases and low number of legendaries per box.

[@fantomet78]

Didnt know asmodee had a shop for end customers/players? Do you have the link?

[@pyrem7666]

Searched for it as well and couldn’t find it. The link that I know of was taken down weeks ago.

[@UtinniUtinni]

They said they were listed by mistake. Most orders were canceled and the rest were downgraded to one box regardless of initial order size.

[@Categoryonegames]

Weren't they through the Fantasy Flights site and not the Asmodee site? They sold it and then refunded almost everyone who placed orders. They got swamped with them and didn't have nearly the ability to fulfill it.

[@Techpriest]

I agree with you about the player retention due to lack of product, but I don't agree with you that it's direct selling by Asmodee that's the issue. Southern from all accounts has been able to provide far more product than Asmodee to stores, which would hint that the bulk of the product is going there when preorders from the Asmodee site to consumers are being canceled. Remember, Asmodee probably makes more net profit selling to stores directly than selling to Southern that resells to stores, yet I have heard Asmodee having far smaller allocations to stores than Southern by several magnitudes.

[@rng-gamez]

If 1000 people got one box at retail that’s a lot of boxes

[@Techpriest]

@@rng-gamez Sure, but they sold what ten thousand boxes of set one in the first week? How many game stores carry SWU and how many got twenty or so boxes from Southern and a couple from Asmodee? I think several magnitudes of difference went to Southern where Asmodee benefits the least from box sales. Which would signal it's not them being shady that's causing issues, it's just poor print run management.

[@rng-gamez]

@@Techpriest yea true I just think it’s a bit of a conflict of interest to have a retail facing business while simultaneous wholesaling directly from the company

[@Techpriest]

@@rng-gamez There's a truth to that, but I might be used to it by now as many companies do similar things like GW for example. The problem still seems to be a supply issue ultimately, as if there was enough supply for stores to comfortably sell it at 100 a box versus their direct 120 price there wouldn't be much of a conflict. Though as a whole the card game space is kind of a mess.

[@Possu81]

By the way, has there been cases where game has been popular but not easily available and gone dead because of that? There are plenty of big games right now that have been forecasted as being dead because they are available for players but is it really what's killing the games? I understood reasons for dead SW games before were different.

[@rng-gamez]

Here is the thing a game being popular because the boxes are double or triple MSRP are one thing. We will need to see how those people interact with the game after the booster boxes are available and under MSRP and wildly available. I can only go off the data I have and it is zero interest in playing, people just want to buy it.

[@benjamincortina7755]

Alpha Quest update? 😊

[@ezmacnsteeze]

Did people actually get to order direct form Asmodee? I tried and they canceled my order. I think that happened to everyone else who tried as well.

[@rng-gamez]

I’m sure a lot of orders are actually getting filled

[@seecrit436]

In europe Blackfire aka Asmodee has almost exclusive rights to bandai products its the same shit here

[@chongojeff]

Hugh Jackman? Hugh Laurie? which Hugh is being problematic now

[@rng-gamez]

That my 5th grade education coming out, I have to fight it back sometimes

[@chongojeff]

@@rng-gamez don't let that hold you back from your dreams

[@CUTS_cards]

Sorcery is on a good healthy path after seeing what these other games are doing

[@rng-gamez]

One set a year is a big issue, don’t you think?

[@CUTS_cards]

@@rng-gamez I think for a lot of people it is. I like it as a player/collector who cant keep up with 10 sets of MTG per year. It is never going to be the biggest game but can be a very successful niche game with backbone. Not great for a store though I agree on that!

[@rng-gamez]

@@CUTS_cards I’ll look into it

[@CUTS_cards]

@@rng-gamez slow steady gains in box prices since release and some very collectable chase cards holding value so far. And if you love old magic this game is THAT. Actually a better game than magic in my opinion but that is probably a hot take for anyone who loves magic and never played Sorcery.

[@inspiredmindz]

@@rng-gamez please do a unbiased sorcery review, would love to hear your view

[@ChaseDaTruth]

GTS is the scumbag of distributors.

[@SifuJavis]

Damn I got 8 boxes myself haha

[@rng-gamez]

You are blessed good sir

[@Jeremy_Davis]

I was reading where Asmodee was cancelling people’s pre-orders that were ordering directly. I don’t understand how they didn’t see the hype from the first set and think “huh, we should print more”

[@Jeremy_Davis]

Also Fantasy Flight Games seems to be putting a ton of thought and energy into the game. It’d be such a shame for Asmodee to piss it away

[@williamdegrey]

They did..

[@axjedi376]

Because they can't print more the printers are satured.. The first 3 set are based on the first one quantity. All that was planned last year and last year before the game came out the hype was very low

[@Jeremy_Davis]

@@axjedi376 ah, now that would make sense

[@RafaAkd]

I’ll wait to set 3-4 before stating the game is dead. Also, criticizing and not holding events seems weird. By the way I’m just a player and I got a case for set 1 and I already have 4 boxes preorder from local game stores

[@rng-gamez]

The lack of interest locally in playing and extreme demand locally of obtaining it is what’s wired to me.

[@RafaAkd]

@@rng-gamezyeah, strange but possible. I live in a not huge market and we’ve had 3 showdowns in town with over 20 people each, draft events usually get between 10-20 people, and there are weekly plays at 3 different hame store, with two of them still giving pack as prize support. So I guess it also depends on region. Also set 2 is supposed to go out in waves. Now if they didn’t adjust set 3 printing numbers after the initial demand then I’d be inclined to say the future is grim, but set 1 and set 2 printing orders were made at least 6 months, if not more, ago

[@rng-gamez]

@@RafaAkd yea I believe it is very popular mid west if that’s where you are from

[@silaswendt1867]

@@rng-gamezvalid, but from my perspective, small area, plugged in to the 3 main card shops around here, there’s myself a a few other guys who simply don’t have time to play locals..but we were able to make the same showdown and it’s just that we have been collecting and obtaining cards to play locals..guys are making decks and practicing online but none of us actually have the time to go downtown and play lol. Because of this I am selling all my extras. Will be seeking set 2 cards. The chase is fun, having cards to play when we actually can is fun..but other guys and kids at the shops see us as scalpers because from their eyes they just see us coming and buying up packs. Truth is I love the game as much as they do, probably love the cards even more 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@silaswendt1867]

I live in Northern California btw

[@marcuslyons2144]

Asmodee also distributes directly to retailers

[@rng-gamez]

That’s a conflict of interest if you ask me.

[@marcuslyons2144]

@@rng-gamez I could see it being one, they also bought and now operate Miniature Market. So they technically have 2 customer facing sides, as well as retailers

[@RafaAkd]

@@marcuslyons2144they sold miniature market already

[@Rancoroth419]

GTS stinks. If your not Tier 1, your not anybody to them.

[@8bitgoonies]

Star Wars is dead here in Australia, Lorcana got product out and its taking the country by storm, people are saying Star Wars What?

[@Florellea]

LOL Didn't you guys JUST get Lorcana, like a few weeks ago? And the 4 sets are getting dumped on you almost all at once? I really wouldn't use a release like that as some kind of baseline for comparison.

[@8bitgoonies]

@@Florellea well we got all the cards and they are everywhere, Still cant get star wars, even singles, so easy to see who is winning. nobody even talks or asks for star wars anymore

[@ezmacnsteeze]

i feel bad for them playing lorcana xD

[@Florellea]

@@8bitgoonies You really don't see the irony of you using the popularity of Lorcana (the game that only became available in your region 10 months after it's original release) as a some kind of positive comparison to SWU?

[@8bitgoonies]

@@Florellea I am just saying what im seeing, everyone is playing Lorcana and Magic and Pokemon and One Piece and all the other games, Nobody is even mentioning Star Wars, and it seems like this isn't just my area...

[@aegisofhonor]

it's looking like it's going to be another Destany. I bought 3 boxes of Destany and the first 4 starter boxes thinking some of my LGSs would eventually run it; not one of them ran events for it at all and I only got to play maybe 2 or 3 casual games of it at all period in all the time I have owned it. No one is running Unlimited events locally at all, the nearest events are like in St. Louis. This sucks big time as it looks like a great game.