Star Wars Versus Series: Ahsoka Tano Vs Bultar Swan

Not really worth the wait, but I hope you enjoy.
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[@AntoineBandele]

*rubs eyes* No, it's here. *pinches self* No, it's not a dream. *falls out of chair* No, this is not inception. *sits idly* It's here.

[@Reti4]

+Antoine Bandele Will miracles never cease? :) Let me know what you think of it friend.

[@jarodthedarkjedi6310]

+Reti4 Great video, man! You're very narrative style is fun to listen to, and your style of analysis and different formating from your fellow council members is refreshing. I'd love to see how you break down Kenobi or Dooku. Keep up the good work. PS if you don't mind me making a suggestion, I think a battle between Cade Skywalker and Obi-Wan would be really interesting. I'm a Forcecast fan boy and have commented on many of your vids, and have seen replies and I've left this suggestion on almost everybody's videos at least once a VS season. So I guess I'll do it again. Great job again

[@jarodthedarkjedi6310]

+Reti4 Btw, loved the reverse grip commentary

[@matthiasmccormack3213]

+Reti4 great video. I do agree that the way Ahsoka uses the reverse grip is detrimental to her style. What do you think though when only a secondary blade is wielded in such a manner?

[@infinitesheldon5710]

+Matthias McCormack When she uses her shoto in the reverse grip, and her standard lightsaber in the regular grip, it's a far more feasible tactic. Historical martial arts documents in real life depict duelists who used the "ice pick grip" with a dagger in the off-hand while wielding a sword (usually a rapier) in the primary hand. The dagger would be used to deflect incoming attacks in a way somewhat similar to how one would use a buckler, while the rapier would then be used to riposte. However, it was also equally common to see that off-hand dagger in the standard grip. Also, as Reti4 mentioned in the video, in extreme close quarters combat, that secondary short weapon can be ridiculously lethal, thanks to how much easier it is to manipulate in such close quarters when the blades are locked.

[@GreyJedi91]

One of the most visually stunning videos of its kind...

[@TheTyrek99]

you and your friends need to recognize him as the leonardo of the group, and don't worry your master splinter

[@Reti4]

+POP! The Corn Leonardo of the group? :D First time for everything I guess. I have precisely zero interest in the TMNT series, but I'm usually compared to Donatello more than Leonardo.

[@Reti4]

+GreyJedi91 Thank you friend, I hope you enjoyed it.

[@michaelkarimian7538]

I honestly think your both of them Reti4. You have Leonardo's philosophical mind and leadership skills, while you have Donatello analytical mind ( as the video shows) and heart of gold. Masterfully well done on the video and extremely happy to see a video from you after so long. :)

[@markthetopfabricator6047]

+Reti4 It's good to see you working again. What else do you have planned ?

[@EvanNova95]

Glad to see this one finally come together friend. :)

[@tylerbeckett1707]

+EvanNova95 Good on you for supporting Callan! By the way, when could we expect Season 6 or at least a teaser for it?

[@WorstScenarios]

For season 6 please do Battle of the tacticians,Admiral Thrawn vs Admiral Ackbar or Plo Koon vs Gnost Dural. I have requesting the Plo Koon one for atleast over a year on multiple channels.

[@Edranair]

+Worst Scenarios They kind of did Thrawn vs Ackbar in The Last Command, didn't they? And Thrawn basically wiped the floor with his former pupil? As for Plo vs Gnost... I'm fairly sure Gnost doesn't compare to Plo as a duelist and I don't think we know enough about either as tacticians and strategists to do a comprehensive video there. I may be wrong though.

[@BenjaVOM]

Worst Scenarios the Plo Koon vs Gnost Dural fight has been covered already

[@wedgeantilles4712]

If this was Ahsoka Tano from rebels, Bultar Swan would've been bulldozed.

[@tomcat-ek3bh]

The hype was like episode 7, but you actually delivered.

[@Reti4]

+tomcat912 You had me worried as I read that comment. May the Force strike me down if I ever stoop that low.

[@tomcat-ek3bh]

Agreed.

[@TheNuisanceBird]

Omg so true

[@CielBlanche]

your particular style of insight and analysis on this video demanded my full attention the entire way through, awesome work and very informative

[@Reti4]

+Ciel Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@darkblue6847]

I’ve been rewatching some of Ahsoka’s latter series fights, and I’ve noticed she has a strong tendency to switch to standard grip whenever fighting someone with more experience or skill than her, I still agree that she would likely lose against Swan but it’s something to note.

[@abayomiallen5952]

I would like to see this revisited after this season of Rebels, as Ahsoka has shown a lot of growth.

[@andrewferris1903]

You're wrong about a few of your points regarding the reverse grip - and I preface this with over a decade of experience in Arnis 1) holding a weapon in reverse grip makes it easier for the weapon to be brought into position to block for the off hand (you'll notice her offhand is in the reverse grip far more often than her mainhand) 2) holding a weapon in reverse grip reinforces the block due to the acute angle of the blade along the forearm (you can't sacrifice leverage to ease your block, it opens you up to other attacks of your blade lock) 3) holding a weapon in reverse grip doesn't cause you to telegraph your attacks or cost you precision so much as it emphasizes the cut over the stab (you gain more angles of attack) 4) holding the weapon in reverse grip increases the speed at which you can continue to attack and/or stab off of the cut 5) holding the weapon in reverse grip gives the wielder the advantage as the range between you and the opponent shortens. The main disadvantage of the reverse grip is your shortening the reach and range of your attacks, tighter cuts and a parabolic stab, where the main advantage is you gain speed, strength and are more difficult to disarm compared to the orthodox grip. It's the preferred grip of CQB for Special Forces around the world for a reason, and while I realize swords aren't knives I don't think Lightsabers are swords either concerning their gyroscopic effect and weight balance. It's difficult to know which techniques apply the best to the Lightsaber (I have a long standing suspicion tho' that Lightsabers would be best used immitating baton fighting styles due to the nature of an omnidirectional cutting weapon tho'). I think Ahsoka's choice of dual wielding and reverse grip make a lot of sense with her preference for Ataru, dual weapons, a Shoto and reverse grip maximizes speed, reverse grip regains some strength for blows and blocks, reverse grip prevents the blades from interfereing with each other (and the body in flight) so it's a pretty complimenting package. Also I think it's important that Ahsoko, Ataru and reverse grip are all "in fighters," Ahsoko prefers hand to hand combat, Ataru integrates hand to hand combat into Lightsaber combat and the reverse grip gives the wielder the advantage in cutting up close and frees the hand for a lateral punch. I can understand why Ahsoko's style is so off putting to someone who doesn't understand how a lot of unorthodox choices manage to cover each other's weaknesses quite well while emphasizing speed and close(r) range tactics compared to a more orthodox fighting style, but if you take some CQB training or watch a few videos on youtube the reverse grip is pretty sound if not everyone's cup of tea. It requires a lot more foot work and feinting in real life, which ironically sounds a lot like Ataru in the SWU.

[@KumaoftheForest]

Andrew Ferris I have noticed from my own lightsaber practice that reverse grip’s defense was better

[@ariesstorm9577]

I have just watched a couple of interesting videos about the reverse grip (one Star Wars/lightsaber related and the other about traditional swords held in the ice pick grip). In my opinion, I see the reverse grip as being more useful in conjunction with Form IV, where speed is favoured over strength. By snapping the wrist sharply forward, you attack with speed rather than overpowering strength ("Form V is known for its power"). Also, by holding the blade in the ice pick grip, the blade can (in theory) provide a type of shield while performing the various acrobatics of Form IV. The only circumstance I can see this grip being useful with Form V would be when used in conjunction with Jar'Kai, with a shoto being held in the reverse grip to act as a parrying dagger or buckler, purely for defence while the longer blade is used for counter attacks

[@cloudsstrife5]

dude, your voice makes this come across as a documentary, i love it! keep up the good work ;D

[@fairytalejediftj7041]

Outstanding. Love the actual fencing material. "Rule of cool" shouldn't trump all logic just because Star Wars is fantasy. Also, I'd never considered the similarities between Swan and Ahsoka. Very nice and edifying. :)

[@TheCreepyLantern]

dude this was freaking awesome. don't you go selling yourself short :)

[@Reti4]

+The Creepy Lantern Thank you, I appreciate the encouragement. I don't mean to disregard its quality in its entirety, I just want people to know I understand that it should be better than it is, for how long it's taken to finish.

[@19calypso62]

+Reti4 I just want to thank you and am 11 so you and jensaarai1 are my favorite youtubers so thankyou because of you all I want to start my own KZbin versus series and when I get older thought so you know I've subscribed so THANKYOU SO MUCH YALL ARE MY HEROS

[@caos1925]

videos like these always make me appreciate characters more, and I love how you look at each combatant, each of the council has a slightly different style which is great. Kinda along those same lines, I can also appreciate more how good a job TCW was made a consistent fighting style for their characters, and stayed true to the movie ones.

[@Reti4]

+caos1925 I'm glad, Bultar Swan needs far more love than she gets. Thank you for your support.

[@wristofkings]

Congrats on finally finishing this, and stop being so damn hard on yourself. This was stunning from a visual standpoint and I love the level of analysis. You're the first person I've seen who's actually come up with a viable explanation for why the reverse grip is impractical for sword/lightsaber fencing, rather than simply dismissing it as "Rule of Cool." Plus you've drawn my attention to yet another interesting character I'd had previously little familiarity with. Kudos, good sir.

[@aicentral1531]

FINALLY!!!! Love the video man, even though it took you a millennia to complete. I especially love the way you did the verdict, it's very unique that you thought of doing a reading for how the battle would go down. I expect lots more..:)

[@Reti4]

+AI Yeah, sorry for the wait ^^' I'm glad you enjoyed it and thank you for the encouragement. I wasn't sure whether or not using an even *more* narrative an approach would make the video too cumbersome, or worse seem pretentious. I hope to bring more as soon as possible.

[@DB6195]

This video has the most positive and polite comments section I've ever seen in a versus video

[@Reti4]

I've always been very grateful for my viewership, the vast majority of people are always supportive and encouraging, even if they don't have the same opinion.

[@rehboot]

it's kind of scary

[@ForklifterMatt]

Could my eyes be betraying me? Is this a new Reti4 VS video? Haha, in all seriousness, impressive analysis and editing. Well done Reti!

[@Reti4]

+ForklifterMatt Will miracles never cease? :) Thanks for the encouragement, I hope you enjoyed it.

[@ForklifterMatt]

Reti4 :) No problem! And I definitely enjoyed it, no doubt about that.

[@matthiasmccormack3213]

+ForklifterMatt +Reti4 you guys should totally collaborate sometime

[@williamhenning4700]

Narration was fantastic. Nice job Reti.

[@kiadisandwich1836]

This was a masterpiece of Vs. videos. To say that I'd had no prior interactions with Bultar's character, I'm now really interested in her. Please can you suggest some sources she's in? Plus, I've always had a relatively low opinion of Ahsoka (as a character and as a combatant). However, your reasoning of her respective skills is to be respected by anyone and everyone. Overall, this was a greatly executed match-up that included solid feats and cold, hard facts; Bultar Swan vs Ahsoka certainly deserves to be among the greatest Star Wars videos ever made, well done.

[@Reti4]

+Ki-Adi Sandwich That is very high praise indeed, thank you. I'm not sure I agree with your assessment but I appreciate the encouragement all the same. People knowing more about Swan and having an interest in learning even more is the best result I can hope for. She deserves so much more popularity than she has. Ahsoka's incredibly talent and potential had to be highlighted, as many dismiss her far too quickly, but at the same time her flaws are just as important to cover. Especially considering the level she could reach if they're ever addressed.

[@kiadisandwich1836]

+Reti4 I don't mind Ahsoka, but having her placed as the apprentice to Anakin ruins her in my opinion. Despite being in several scenes in TCW, I still feel like I don't really know her for who she is; we've only seen her in fighting scenario. We've seen her react to others, but never to herself. The funny thing is that we were going to have an arc dedicated to her in season 6, but the show was cancelled before her character came into fruition. Of course, this is just my opinion.

[@100dfrost]

Extremely well thought out and presented. You show a very great understanding of the 2 subjects. It was worth waiting for. I hated the wait, however. Thank-you for your effort, you almost made me "see" the combat. Very well executed. Dante.

[@Reti4]

+100dfrost Thank you. I don't blame you for hating the wait, two months is too long, let alone twelve. If I almost made you see the combat, then I achieved what I wanted to. I was unsure if going for even *more* narrative an approach would make the video too cumbersome, or worse seem pretentious.

[@DB6195]

We'll be the judge of whether it was worth the wait THE HYPE IS REAL

[@avatarmufasa3628]

Wow, awesome vid. Ahsoka being one of my favourite characters, i was particularly excited to see her for this match up. And enjoyed your breakdown of sword techniques immensely and hope you continue to do so in the future. Pehaps too little information when comparing them to Kenobis. I havent read much on Bultar Swan, but I wasnt able to buy the statement that she was equal based on your analysis. I also thought the artwork was very lovely, and the vid was more or less perfect in length (not too long or too short). Also, it was kinda different to hear someone British doing the analysis breakdown, being from the UK, this was actually quite nice. Nothing against other accents, but it was nice to hear words being pronounced what I would consider correctly

[@Reti4]

+Avatar Mufasa Thank you, I appreciate the support. As you could probably tell from the video, Ahsoka and Bultar are two of my favourite characters in Star Wars. I understand people finding the Kenobi comparison difficult to swallow on face value, it is ENTIRELY speculative, but I feel confident in the speculation thanks to all the specific details we DO know about her. I mean, compare her background to Obi-wan's and then try and explain how her being nowhere near his level makes more sense than them being similarly skilled, if Bultar was a main character, her little details would be explored more, and I can't see any other route being more likely than what I went over in the video. I'm glad the length was just right, I was worried my technical analysis was dragging on a bit too much, and that the more narrative verdict would come across as cumbersome or, even worse, pretentious. I apologise for the narration quality, I am aware of ALL the imperfections, I was just incapable of correcting them with the limited time and setup available to me. I'm glad my British pronunciation could be appreciated at least.

[@nicklasdantes2471]

finally someone who recognizes that a reverse grip is inferior to a normal grip, but you forget one more thing with a reverse grip has also been a much shorter reach

[@Reti4]

+Nicklas Dantes 'Always glad to see another opposer to the reverse grip. I didn't address it properly, 'tis true; I apologise, but I do vaguely mention it with my "Try lunging forward." comment.

[@nicklasdantes2471]

the reason I mention it is to reach is extremely important in battle (possibly the biggest advantage one can have)

[@NaarioDaharis]

Bro, before even watching this video, just wanna say. Your voice is so great to listen to from an aesthetic standpoint. You maintain an even tone and good breathing pattern the entire time and never blow out the mic. I hesitate to ever criticize any of you versus guys because I love all of your content so much, but I do appreciate how your voice is always pleasing to the ears. And, you stick to the facts, making all of your videos really fair and balanced. Keep it up, man!

[@Reti4]

+NaarioDaharis Thank you very much. I've always found my narration to be the weakest aspect of my work, so support like this is always welcome. I definitely need to improve it though, even if the tone of my voice is good, the mouth noise, volume inconsistencies, sloppy annunciation etc is too detrimental to ignore.

[@NaarioDaharis]

Well, coming from a US southerner, I'd say your enunciation isn't a problem. Volume is a thing. Yours is quiet, sometimes so much that I have to turn it up. I don't really get any mouth noise from you. which is a huge plus. That stuff can be gross lol!

[@Racald]

The end read almost like a part from a book, impressive! Really liked this one, thought you were fair to both characters, and your calm voice really helps me keep focus on the details. Great work!

[@DB6195]

That fade out and echo on Obi-Wan's dark side speech sent chills down my spine

[@Reti4]

+DB6195 I'm really glad you liked that, I was worried it was a bit too much...

[@xerowon3490]

same, but I got goosebumps so much my hair grew

[@jacksonwolfe-smith4711]

Fantastic video man thanks for explaining deficiencies of the reverse hand grip it was some thing that I have wondered for some time :]

[@DB6195]

*sigh* RIP Reti's versus series. :(

[@maxmustermann9058]

This is a video that I rewatch quite frequently because it is so well-crafted, even though I would give it to Ahsoka in a good fight. For such a minor character Bultar has a lot of great fanart, another indication that she was sorely underutilised.

[@williamcapps3680]

I agree about the reverse grip, but I think the reason so many people use it is that it is comfortable. I have also found that it is useful when learning to put your whole body into an attack.

[@Reti4]

+William Capps Nice to know I'm not the only one with a negative opinion on it. I've yet to meet anyone that finds it comfortable once they've used it in actual combat. In my experience they tend to look sheepish and switch to the standard grip once you show them how easy it is to defeat someone trying it. I'll concede the point that it does lend itself better to the mentality of using your full body in the fight, as you can't keep the blade in front of you and fight at the same time with the reverse grip, forcing you to commit more physical strikes. The problem is that that is one of the worst things you can do in a duel.

[@momrollins6700]

I am imagining a world where Ashoka is apprentice to Bultar Swan. *sniff*. It's so beautiful!

[@brothersmakingmovies]

I love your vs videos, Bultar Swan and fan art. Needless to say, this is one of my favorite versus's out there :)

[@Reti4]

+Captain Moonrazor I'm surprised by how much people are enjoying this one, I thought it was going to be a disappointment for most. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@brothersmakingmovies]

Reti4 Well, again, it's rather specialized for me. Really glad to see Bultar Swan finally get her due

[@Threektwookonk]

Wow. I caught myself tearing up near the end. The best verses vid yet! Well Done!

[@Reti4]

+Clever Puppy Studios Thank you very much, I really appreciate it. I can't say I expected to cause such a reaction when I made the video.

[@Threektwookonk]

+Reti4 Keep the format. It's perfect. :)

[@Reti4]

+Clever Puppy Studios Not perfect, never perfect. It's satisfactory for the moment though.

[@dimond360_]

Definetly worth the wait you should make more of these

[@TheDen-ec9xe]

Two years later, and this match up is still great. Now that Rebels (ughhh) has finished, we can see that Ahsoka in her adulthood has shifted more into Niman, while still keeping the reverse grip and the acrobatics and kicks of Ataru. So, what was once an afterthought form to supplement Jar'Kai, now has become the main fighting style, with the former prominent two working to support it. And hell, she was able to hold off Vader.......even if she survived via plot armor.

[@Imperius1772]

The heck do you mean not worth the wait? I particularly enjoyed your explanations on certain decisions you made and I like how didn't make it a fight to the death based on Bultar's character. I definitely enjoy how you and Antoine role-play the fight at the end to show the verdict rather than just declaring it.

[@castoff231]

"And even an angry Grievous" Because we all know that is a separate class of duelist altogether

[@edithholmes4068]

Grievous is always angry though.

[@quarianmagus374]

Excellent, once again love the length and pacing.

[@Reti4]

+Quarian Magus Thank you, I was worried I had waffled too much with the technical analysis and that the narrative verdict might end up being cumbersome.

[@Shadow_7615]

Man, it was good to see more content from you, I subscribed a week ago, and i'm glad to see more videos coming out from you, and i'm glad this was a fight that involved Ahsoka, I think Ahsoka has some great potential, which I hope expands in Rebels, maybe one day this battle can be revisited with Rebels Ahsoka, it would be interesting to compare Bultar against a much older Ahsoka, but hey, for what it's worth, this video was great, I didn't actually know that much about Bultar until this video, so thanks for bringing Bultar into my knowledge.

[@Reti4]

+marioandsonic2008 If you've only just stumbled into my neck of the woods you're very lucky, other people have been waiting on this one for a year. ^^' I'm pleased people seem to be enjoying it. I will definitely be revisiting Ahsoka in some capacity or another when we have closure on her with Rebels. You are more than welcome on the Bultar info-dump front. She is a character more people need to know as far as I'm concerned, one of the best backgrounders out there.

[@darthmaze4913]

It's finished! :D Now do it again except with Tano from Rebels.

[@TheNuisanceBird]

+Darth Maze We should wait until we get more showings. The two Inquisitors aren't that impressive. The 5th Brother looks like a complete brute while the 7th Sister actually put up a fight. Dave Filoni I think stated Ahsoka isn't in her prime during Rebels. This would make sense as the one fight we've seen her in so far is probably the first time she's dueled in years.

[@TheJoker10259]

+TheNuisanceBird Uh, where did Dave say that? If Rebels wasn't Ahsoka's prime than that means she *regressed* as a combatant. Which makes... no sense.

[@TheNuisanceBird]

The Joker 10259 Out of curiosity, are you the Joker from KMC? I was implying that I've heard people say it. I don't know if its true, but there also has to be an explanation on why Ahsoka's improved if she has.

[@TheJoker10259]

TheNuisanceBird Yes. I haven't heard Dave say that, and I find it extremely unlikely he did, because like I said, if Rebels was not Ahsoka's prime, that means she either regressed or stagnated as a combatant. Factoring in what we know about her, she has 1. grown more spiritual in nature (as stated by Henry Gilroy, co-executive producer of the show) which means she likely has a better understanding of the Force and is more powerful - 2. She is "very much a great warrior during this time" (as stated by Dave Filoni) and 3. is "extremely skilled and probably had the opportunity to hone her abilities (stated by Gilroy again, but I'm paraphrasing). Take all of that into account, and I think it's clear she improved. And to be honest, I really doubt TCW Ahsoka could wreck the Seventh Sister and Fifth Brother like that, and she sure as hell wouldn't be able to challenge Darth Vader in his prime. Now you say there has to be an explanation why/how she's improved over the years... Well, we just don't know what she has been through. We know that she is a fast learner and is very strong in the Force. We know she's fought and survived some of the most dangerous foes of the Clone Wars (Ventress, Grievous, Vizsla, Barriss). We know that she didn't really need more Jedi training from Anakin, as the Council was prepared to promote her to Jedi Knight if she rejoined the Order. All of that being said, and given her combat-focused personality, it is only *logical* that she would pursue to advance her skillset and study the Force more in-depth. Doing so would increase her abilities a great deal I think, even if she didn't face any lightsaber wielders during those 16 years. Fact is, those that are very strong in the Force can increase their skill with the blade and strength in the Force through intense practice.

[@TheNuisanceBird]

The Joker 10259 I see. I would argue though that taking out the 5th Brother isn't really that impressive. The 7th Sister put up a good fight that and although it's possible Ahsoka could've improved, I don't see her being "high master level". Ventress isn't high master level although she can contend with the best and give them a good fight. I'd say she's probably mid-Knight level until we get more feats for her.

[@lyconxero457]

I really enjoyed the video, man! I love learning about characters that I don't know about and seeing how they compare to characters that I do at least recognize.

[@brenntantor1634]

Here are some versus series ideas! The Blunt Brutes: Savage Opress vs. Xalek The Bitter Immortals: Lord Scourge (as Emperor's Wrath) vs. Darth Sion The Inquisitor Manhunters: Maw vs. Seventh Sister The Cloaking Jar'kai Wildcards: Boc'Aseca vs. Maris Brood The Dark Masterminds: Vitiate vs. Darth Nihilus The Polymaths: Meetra Surik vs. Mara Jade The Prodigy Juggernauts: Desann vs. Darth Marr The Inexperienced Potentials: Yun vs. Bao-Dur (jedi-trained) + Remote Droid The Young Field Warriors: Nadia Grell vs. Sev'rance Tann The Unpredictables: Komari Vosa vs. Silri The Different Cyborgs: Darth Skotia vs. Darth Vader The Chaotics: Kit Fisto vs. Assaj Ventress The Illusionists: Darth Phobos vs. Volfe Karkko The High Mages: Karness Muur vs. Atris The Unexpected: Darth Jadus vs. Kyle Katarn The Dance of Blades: Darth Nihl vs. Ashoka Tano as Fulcrum The Battle of Beasts: Khem Val vs. Onimi The Cat and the Dog: Juhani vs Knol Ven'nari

[@wristofkings]

+Brenn Tantor Mara > Meetra. Outside of her capacity as a wound in the Force, Meetra is not exceptional and is decidedly inferior to Revan--who I think Mara would give a pretty hard time based on her showings against Lumiya and Jacen Solo. Vitiate > Nihilus. Greater breadth of Force powers, ridiculous grasp of telepathy, roughly similar or greater magnitude in all other fields save for Force drain. Both are negligible as lightsaber duelists, though I'd give Nihilus the nod there. If Vitiate can resist Nihilus' drain though he's got nothing that can decisively beat him, whereas Vitiate could possibly mindfuck him to death. Ventress > Fisto. If memory serves Fisto was on the losing end of their single EU canon duel. Asajj's skillset was definitely more optimized for lightsaber dueling and while superior in the Force Kit's range of abilities is more specialized towards aquatic combat. Nihl > Fulcrum Ashoka. Like, not even *close*. Nihl could contend with Cade Skywalker at points, who I would put on par with the likes of Galen Marek/Starkiller or Revan for raw power and comparable in skill. Based on what we've seen so far, Tano circa Rebels hasn't advanced much as a duelist compared to her Clone Wars self and her Force powers are ill-defined. The rest sound like they might be interesting, though. My familiarity with Old Republic Sith/Jedi is relatively low outside of the heaviest hitters.

[@brenntantor1634]

+wristofkings Thanks for your imput. So, I guess I came up with nice ideas. What you wote about Vitiate vs Nihilus is probably right, but that is why it should be explored further. Meetra on wookieepedia is quite similar to Mara, albeit less lengthly. And I wanted a nice female matchup. How would being a wound affect his force combative abilities? Nihl vs Asoka might be too early, we might need to wait for some more Rebels episodes. You might be right about Ventress/Fisto.

[@ArodWingfoot]

I feel the need to point out. A reverse grip is no good for useless if you are using a sword. It originated a knife style. 1. At that close range you aren't going to be doing a lot of slashing, more stabbing, it takes less time and energy and gives far better results. You aren't going to be using it for blocking. And the biggest one is the only real strength a backhand grip has, a very strong downward stab. It's more powerful than a forehand stab, and also the area you are targeting (the neck, and inside collar) are pretty much certain kills, vs a stab to the stomach are far less likely to kill. Note, if you were using a lightsaber, that wouldn't matter, but if you were using a knife you would not want to hit the rib cage because your attacks are far more likely to hit the rib cage than they are to get in between the ribs, and although that would hurt like he__ and leave a nasty cut, it would not be fatal.

[@Reti4]

+ArodWingfoot Yeah, I was an idiot for not specifically pointing it out in the video, but my criticisms of the reverse grip do NOT extend to the shorter weapons out there. Reverse gripping a knife is perfectly viable.

[@joshuajones3041]

My brother and I are huge fans of yours and would absolutely love it, if you would make an in depth series about lightsaber styles and lightsaber combat. Keep up the great work.

[@Reti4]

+Joshua Jones Thank you very much, I'm honoured to have such support. This is something that a few of us have plans for so you'll no doubt see something of the like in the future.

[@nicklasdantes2471]

finally someone who recognizes that a reverse grip is inferior to a normal grip

[@captaincokecan]

Good job Reti, i liked how you bring your own fencing experience when explaining reverse grip. I think while it looks good, it was done for the rule of cool, rather than making sense.

[@Reti4]

+Captain Cokecan Thank you, I try to come at the combat side of things with as realistic an interpretation as possible.

[@NickDonalds321]

Lol, I saw this in my video feed when I got home today, and was so surprised! Loved the Naruto bits in there, and thought it was a very interesting analysis. I don't know much of Bultar Swan, but she seems pretty interesting. As for Ashoka, I thought your analysis of her is pretty accurate. I feel like Ashoka's capabilities aren't exactly the type to be remembered in the holo-textbooks decades later, like Obi-wan, Plo-koon, Kit Fisto, etc, but would definately be just below that tier, similar to Ventress. She can't hope to win out against the best, but can hold her own against them.

[@Reti4]

+NickDonalds I'm glad you enjoyed the video. You're the first person to comment on the Naruto parts actually. I was worried the use of Neji sparring with Naruto would bring people out of the video a bit, acting more as a distraction than anything else, but I couldn't think of a better way to represent the Sliding-Hands-Kasi style. The music worked well though I think.

[@tylerbeckett1707]

Nice job! Though I have a couple things to note. No matter how long it takes do not be too hard on yourself because of it. Being too humble and "self-responsible" can be very self-destructive and cause depression. Trust me I would know. If this happens again, try to move on different projects and come back to it every now and then. Whether, you find this helpful or not it does not matter to me since I am just trying to be a cool guy to others. Also, I find it funny that earlier in the comment I made it sound like a lesson from Tyvokka to Plo Koon. lol. Anyway, see you at the next video!

[@stevenharris4933]

I am Chinese martial artist with 22 years of experience. This includes a lot of training with the Dao, saber and Jian, sword and I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. The reverse grip is not an efficient method of sword or bladed weapon fighting.

[@macattackk]

Awsome! Great to finally see this drop and it is fantastic!

[@Reti4]

+Macattack 1 Thanks very much, I appreciate the support. Sorry you had to wait so long ^^'

[@TheSnowshreader]

Absolutely brilliant mate. So glad this is up. I'm happy to see a non famous Character getting some good attention. Love everything you and the Council Masters do collectively and separately. Best of luck on life and your future projects. Also I would be honored to one day be able to talk with all of you. ps. Long live the Sith!!! Cheers!!

[@Reti4]

+TheSnowshreader Thank you very much, I appreciate the support. I'm glad I've been able to help shed some light on her for people, she deserves far more love than she gets.

[@Thebrainwashedturtle]

You sir done an excellent job. I wish there was more of your videos.

[@Reti4]

Glad you enjoyed! I'm sorry there aren't more.

[@Thebrainwashedturtle]

@@Reti4 Sorry could be able to answer four days later. Years ago there was a podcast where yall requested matchups to each other. Well even though i have hard time imagining how you can do Antoines request there (Revan vs Thrawn fleet battle would enter very much speculation) But Teneb Kel vs Barris Offee Jaina Solo vs Darth Bane were pretty good matchups suiting for your understanding of versus series. Do you plan on doing them in the future or did you decided not to do it in the future?

[@Reti4]

@@Thebrainwashedturtle Interesting matchups, particularly the Jaina Solo and Darth Bane one. I'll be honest, it's highly unlikely I'll be doing any more Versus video content. It's definitely one Evan might do in the future, though. I'll mention it to him.

[@Thebrainwashedturtle]

@@Reti4 Suit yourself bro. But it would be sad to see potential go unfullfilled. Still if you dont want its your decision.

[@SCScholar1]

Very nice. Your presentation was clear and well reasoned. You do have a talent for this. The only surprise was you not taking her appearances in the rebels tv show into account.

[@Reti4]

+SCScholar1 Thank you very much. I wrote half this script before Tano had even been confirmed for Rebels, so I decided to hold off on including her appearances in it until a later date. To be honest though, with the exception of a likely improved connection to the Force, we've not seen anything much from Rebels Ahsoka that puts her beyond her Clone Wars era self.

[@SCScholar1]

+Reti4 I will take you at your word as I have only seen bits of the series.

[@mitchelldunn9149]

One minute in and I'm already impressed. Well worth the wait my friend.

[@Reti4]

+Mitchell Dunn Thanks very much, I hope you enjoy/enjoyed the rest of the video.

[@mitchelldunn9149]

Reti4 What I love most about your videos, is your literary prowess. The description of the battle was beautiful. It distinguishes you from the other council members. Can't wait to see some more videos.

[@Reti4]

Mitchell Dunn My scripts are the only part of my work I consider worthy of Council-level praise personally. I'm glad people enjoy them. I'm especially pleased that people liked the more narrative verdict style. I wasn't confident it wouldn't come off as cumbersome or even worse, pretentious. I just wish I could get my recording setup right, so my narration is perfect, rather than stilted, mouth-noisy and static-filled. I hope to get more videos out soon.

[@mitchelldunn9149]

+Reti4 You're only improving with each video. Keep up the good work!

[@CielBlanche]

+Reti4 I feel that issue with recording for videos as well, but it seems nobody else but ourselves really notices all the things we hate about our own commentary/narration

[@_Egil]

Extremely well-done video. I hope you get more videos done, this one was worth the ever so long wait.

[@MPPRODUCTIONSger]

Koh Toh Yah Fantastic Video! This is the best versus video I have seen. It's easily on par with GreyJedi91's Obi-Wan and Mace Windu vs Zannah and Bane. I loved your explanation of the reversegrip. You made a complete waterproof case why it's inferior to the normal grip :) Keep up the good work! And may the f orce be with you!

[@Reti4]

+MPPRODUCTIONSger Koh-To-Yah and thank you. I am truly honoured to be held in such as high an esteem as Greyjedi, though definitely undeserving. If you haven't already, you should watch his An'ya Kuro Vs Lucien Draay versus video, and his Sharad Hett one too. Both are absolute masterpieces that put my work to shame. I'm glad you enjoyed the reverse-grip analysis. I wanted to make it as waterproof as possible to avoid a comment storm, but I also didn't want to bog the video down with endless droning on of the technical side of things, I hope I struck a good balance. May the Force be with you too. Always.

[@MPPRODUCTIONSger]

+Reti4 If seen those Masterpieces but this one is one par believe me :) It was a perfect balance in my opinion. But I wouldn't mind an even more technical analysis. If I remember correctly you are a professional fencer right? You should really use that. And don't play your self down so much. You inspired me to do my own versus videos I'm working on the first one. And your Video showed me that I have to go more in depth with the analysis of the sword skills and even the way they grip their sabers.

[@MPPRODUCTIONSger]

+Reti4 If seen those Masterpieces but this one is one par believe me :) It was a perfect balance in my opinion. But I wouldn't mind an even more technical analysis. If I remember correctly you are a professional fencer right? You should really use that. And don't play your self down so much. You inspired me to do my own versus videos I'm working on the first one. And your Video showed me that I have to go more in depth with the analysis of the sword skills and even the way they grip their sabers.

[@ineedavacationbadly]

Ive only found you very recently through the forcecast, however after this video ill be sure to look into your other videos aswell! Also a big +1 for the oblivion music.

[@Reti4]

+MrIloveholidays Welcome to my channel, I'm afraid you won't find much to enjoy here at the moment though. The only video of Council-level quality I have (besides this one) is my Plo Koon and Shaak Ti VS Darth Maul and Count Dooku. My original videos are in DIRE need of re-mastering.

[@waiserwal2045]

really great video. I am looking forward to seeing more videos

[@Reti4]

+BoZZ haft Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I hope to be bringing more soon.

[@themediumcheese]

Really enjoyed this, Reti. Nicely done.

[@Reti4]

+ImmaDragon Zord Thank you very much, I'm glad you liked it.

[@thomasvale7946]

I thought this would not be worth the wait but I'm glad I was wrong

[@Bobphat456]

This was great! Good job man.

[@Reti4]

+Bob Phaty Thank you. I appreciate the support.

[@xerowon3490]

you seriously need to make more vs videos bro. while I am a fan of everyone on the council this is by far my favorite, brilliant narration, very fitting background music, great quality, I agree don't sell yourself short, you have to keep going!!

[@DB6195]

Some of this Bultar Swan artwork is absolutely beautiful

[@Reti4]

+DB6195 I confess, most of it isn't actually Bultar, I just grabbed as many look alike images as I could.'Not really anything else you can do with characters that have so little material.

[@DB6195]

Yes I remember you mentioning that in a Forcecast Having a similar problem with my first VS match right now. It's two characters of the same race with one being really exposed and one......not and I can't fake pictures of one as the other because I'm already using it elsewhere in the video

[@rubixcube460]

This is the first video that I've ever seen by you and let me say... It's amazing! Your analysis is so well looked into and your script is so well thought out. And you ignored the obvious bias towards Ahsoka from the fans such as myself. Even the final fight seen was perfect and I could so picture it in a clone wars style battle sequence! In my opinion, you are the top Star Wars vs series guy on youtube! No offence Antoine!

[@starwarfan8342]

there are at least 2 other versus on this channel

[@mannytawo904]

Ahsoka from rebels would destroy swan

[@timt6819]

great video worth the year

[@Reti4]

+Tim T Thank you, I'm glad people are enjoying it.

[@Leon_Axel]

Fantastic video! Great to see you back Reti! :D

[@Reti4]

+Freekdom Thank you very much, I'm glad people are enjoying it.

[@Venneroth]

When I saw, by random chance, that you had brought forth this video, Reti4, I had to grab two drinks and a bowl of ice-cream to celebrate. Having actually watched the video I feel justified in having toasted you with all three. This was incredible and I don't say that lightly. This level of insight into fencing is a real treat to behold. I like the constructive feedback at the end, too. Thank you! Peace!

[@ariesstorm9577]

This was a good match, I'm glad you got to finish it. Well done Reti4 :-)

[@Reti4]

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@robertallen2720]

good to have u back at it! awesome vid!!!

[@Reti4]

+Robert Allen Thanks, it's good to be back.

[@geoffreyedgson7875]

Alright, I admit it. For me, this video IS worth the wait. Your evaluations of Bultar Swan, one of THE most vague characters is Star Wars, and the nature of the Reverse-grip makes this video well-worth it. I'm an academic; I appreciate and enjoy simplest and through videos more than overly climatic ones. Descriptive analysis like yours are my favourite.

[@zackthezabarak739]

Arryn Leneer vs Depa Bilaba. Das Jenner vs Kanan Jarrus. Darth Malgus vs Jaina Solo. Antares Draco vs Lord Vindican . Sedriss vs Lucien Draay. Ki adi mundi vs Galen Marek. Kit Fisto vs Sora Bulq. Agen Kolar vs Antares Draco. Quinlan Vos vs Ven Zallow. Jaden Korr vs Quigon Jinn.

[@kadindarklord]

From what I have read, I get the impression that the reverse grip apparently works well with Power blows.

[@Reti4]

Not sure what you were reading, but it doesn't. I really had to strain to think of any benefit at all, it was Jensaarai that reminded me to mention the low-block blast-deflection element, I was too focused on the real-world swordsmanship.

[@JakeMook]

OMG it's finally done. Thank u Reti this should be good

[@Reti4]

+Rocco Gigante You are very welcome, I hope it didn't disappoint.

[@JakeMook]

Reti4 It definitely did not disappointe, it was one of the best I have ever watched, great job. Well worth the wait

[@malcolmkizdak767]

I think the use of the phrase "to Legolas away" will stick with me for a while. It just perfectly describes the situation. Well done lol.

[@drbrashear5474]

He hath returnerh! Very good video, Reti.

[@theskyking1858]

The wait was worth it bro, awesome video and great characteristic explanation Reti4.

[@Reti4]

+TheSkyKing18 Thanks very much, I appreciate the support.

[@theskyking1858]

on topic about the star wars versus series can you do a Anakin Skywalker (During the end of the Clone Wars and before he became Darth Vader) Vs Mace Windu please?

[@Reti4]

TheSkyKing18 That's a popular match up. I'm afraid I don't have any interest in doing that one myself, not for a long while at any rate. But I can give you my basic view on it. Anakin at his best is on par with Windu when it comes to sabre skill, if a lot more specialised. The problem is not only does he fall short in regards to the Force (execution, not baseline power with it) and unarmed skill, but he's also very rarely operating at his best. Unlike most people Anakin might face, Mace isn't someone that is going to be trying to out think him, so Anakin's tactical deficiencies don't hurt him too much here. But his emotional instability DEFINITELY does. For Anakin to operate at his best he has to draw on the dark side, and the second he does that he seals his defeat against Mace, who is able to match Anakin without a Vaapad boost let alone with it. They'd start off with Mace having the edge, Anakin would quickly get his bearings on the level he needs to bring to the fight and start ramping up the effort on his end. When this then proves insufficient, after a hefty exchange and no real progress being made, he'll start drawing on the darkside. Mace starts drawing on that power through Vaapad and bam. No matter how much Anakin pushes himself he can no longer feasibly win. I'm aware there's more to it than that but I don't have a great deal of time to go into it at the moment, so take those initial, simple musings with a grain of salt. But I hope my basic assessment is alright for you.

[@theskyking1858]

Holy Force that's an awesome explanation and outcome and in truth to be honest I wanted to know is because Anakin got a cheap shot against Windu when he cut off Mace's arm and I want to know how he fares against him man to man, thanks again. P.S. Since Anakin vs Mace is out of the question how about Darth Nox vs Darth Maul?

[@TheNuisanceBird]

+TheSkyKing18 Antoine Bandele has done that match up if you haven't seen it yet.

[@P326Star]

Loved this one, great job Reti! Been looking forward to this for a while. :)

[@CandyChaos7]

Amazing! I never knew Bultar Swan until now.

[@Reti4]

+Johnny IsBravo She deserves so much more love than she gets. I'm hoping my video will bring her to people's attention if nothing else. I hope you enjoyed the video.

[@jasonhunt7712]

Outstanding video and in my opinion, completely worth the wait. Ahsoka was my favourite character in TCW and I feel you did her justice in your breakdown of her stats and personality. In particular, I loved how you explained the reverse grip. This match up, as well as your Dooku/Maul vs Koon/Ti are two of my favourites out of all the Versus videos on youtube so don't sell yourself short in the description. :P Also, as others have stated, I would be very interested in a rematch at the conclusion of Rebels. Anyway, looking forward to the next match up!

[@vincentescolano2578]

I really enjoyed your video and it was well worth the weight please make new ones soon! can you please do shaak ti my favorite Jedi vs asajj ventress the two most powerful females on each side of the war.

[@TheSunStudio1]

It's about time! Awesome video, best so far!

[@brandonrooney5106]

I appreciate the decision to use FMA:B music for this. Would love to see you come back and use Adult Ahsoka from Rebels or Mandalorian for a match.

[@xRadinox]

This Combatant Evaluation Was Art!

[@Reti4]

+xRadinox Thank you very much, I really appreciate the support.

[@xRadinox]

+Reti4 You Really Deserve both The Support and More Apreciation even if your not so active Lately. I found your presentation of the characters, both respectful and beatiful. Also, i like the combatants choice, and i love to learn about not so popular but insteresting characters Like Bultan Swan. I love the way you made your arguments with things like the reverse grip. They sound objective and don't deminish the characters in any way. I Agree with much of your logic, even if it comes as critics. In the council Forecast for TFA i was really tuning in with the way you saw it. (sorry if bad english)

[@pinkdeath82]

Darth Krayt VS Darth Sidious because, well, people need to see it. Also, awesome video. Hope to see more of your videos. It would also be interesting to see you break down different kinds of forms and dueling styles.

[@Reti4]

Thanks for your support, I really appreciate it. That's not a matchup I have particular interest in, I'll be honest. But I definitely have plans to do a set of light sabre form videos at some point, perhaps as a collaboration with the Council.

[@pinkdeath82]

Reti4 Cool! Also, you did pretty much cover it in the council vid about Sidious not being invincible.

[@Edranair]

Whoo! Reti's back! To be clear, I had given this up for vaporware, so when I saw it uploaded and finished I was ecstatic. I love your videos, I love your dryer, I would say more balanced perspective on a lot of these characters, I love that a lot of the characters featured are some of the premier badasses of the SW EU who never get enough exposure and I love the precise breakdown of fights at the end of your videos (I know Antoine does something very similar, but I prefer your approach). As for this video in particular? I can't speak for anyone besides myself, but I would say it's one of the best of recent memory. This is partially because I didn't know much about Bultar Swan beforehand and you made her seem really interesting, but I think that the bit you did at the end was really cool, pointing out how great a match they would've been (though I will probably be having nightmares about a Bultar-trained Ahsoka now. Thanks for that, by the way), though I personally don't think they would've meshed very quickly outside of a conflict like the Clone Wars, given how Ahsoka acted initially. Transferring Ahsoka to Swan around/after her last appearance would have probably gone really well, though. A great matchup, a great analysis and some fantastic ideas at the end. Fantastic video.

[@MisterAwestasia]

Finally a versus series that has Bultar Swan! I have always had an interest in this character as ,though she did not have a lot of screen time, her capabilities and the characteristics we have seen are very admirable! She withstood Darth Vader,s hybridization of the seven forms, no mean feat but she did have help, survived the clone wars and, more impressively, the first battle of Genosis. Those who wrote Bultar Swans character have my respect for creating a good character :)!

[@Wright805]

Excellent video. One of the best Vs. matches I've ever seen. Personally I DESPISE the reverse grip and am so happy to see such a well-thought out and logical explanation for why it's a bad idea.

[@Reti4]

+Wright805 Thanks very much. I was worried my reverse grip dissection was going to be overly cumbersome but, on the whole, people seem to have liked it.

[@GAdmThrawn]

It has been quite the wait after having looked through your number of videos. I was quite intrigued on your selection of both characters, and I applaud you in providing Bultar Swan some "much needed publicity." She is certainly a side character that not your average SW fan would know unless they read certain comic storylines or picked up certain books. Your own analysis is as detailed as many of the other vs videos that your fellow Council members have made, and you provide a bonus in making a well-thought and well-followed narrative on how the battle would play out. Your calm, collected voice, choice of words, and pacing makes this easy to grasp on your points and entertaining with the use of sarcasm and quips.

[@Reti4]

+Grand Admiral Thrawn You might say it was "So artistically done". Sorry, I couldn't resist the quote, even if it is self-satisfying. In reality the video should be a lot better than it is, given that it was a year-in-the-making. I'm not pleased with how a lot of aspects turned out, namely the quality of the narration. Ultimately though, if people enjoy it, that's good enough for me.

[@GAdmThrawn]

Reti4 Yes. Yes, it was. With the amount of praise that you are getting from this video, I'm sure that you will get the incentive to continue your vs series. I look forward to further videos.

[@thedutchwolf97]

Ahsoka's fate is known nowadays. Her fate is shown in Star Wars: Rebels. She's still very much alive and is a lot more skilled and powerful than before :) Another versus video including her adult self would be interesting, but I guess we'd need to see more of her in Rebels to determine her fighting style properly.

[@TheNuisanceBird]

+tfl1997 The script for the video was written well before her appearance on Rebels.

[@nathanielgrindstaff4909]

I bet it would be really interesting if Bultar had been assigned to be Ahsoka's master.

[@xxedgy_outsiderxx9978]

You are quite informed with the workings of the reverse grip

[@TheMuser1791]

Excellent video! Although I had my doubts as to if the video would ever be made. It was very good and I consider it to be worth the wait.

[@Reti4]

Thank you very much, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@thewise6008]

+Reti4 You and the council should make a video about Snoke being Darth Pleguis in The force Awakens.

[@TheMuser1791]

ashton johnson you mean aside form the fact that he likely isn't right?

[@thewise6008]

The Muser Right.

[@DarthWill3]

If this were Ahsoka from the _Rebels_ show, it would probably have been a different matter. Nice analysis on the Shien reverse grip. While it remains valid on _TCW_ Ahsoka's case, I think taller practitioners such as her elder self, Galen Marek, and his clones would've more than made up for it. I don't blame you for going with what material you have on Bultar Swan. Other sources are hard to come by. For her capabilities, I'd look up _Power of the Jedi Sourcebook_, pp. 124-5. Plus, there's _Star Wars Adventures_ novelettes that feature her missions with Obi-Wan and Anakin: _Hunt the Sun Runner_, _The Cavern of Screaming Skulls_, and _The Hostage Princess_. I plan on reading them soon. Meanwhile, can't wait for your next videos.

[@crazyscotsman9327]

+DarthWill3 I would disagree completely, the biggest weakness in my eyes with the reverse grip is three fold. 1 It limits your options in combat, 2 It lacks power in both offense and defense. 3 It also exposes you to openings that wouldn't be there otherwise. Now let me explain, using the reverse grip the movements for any cut (there are roughly 8 different angles of attack one can follow) any and all of those are slower and require far more movement of the body then if you were using it with a standard grip, making them far less viable, because speed kills, the less time it takes me from go to point A to point B the better chance I have of hitting my target. 2 It lacks in power in both offense and defense, doing any of the 8 cuts while holding the saber in the reverse grip is far weaker and more awkward for it's attacks, and as for the defense while in Europe it was done with a single edged dagger where you braced the blade against your forearm you cannot do that with a lightsaber, as it would cut into your own arm. Now the final one is when you are making those attacks with the reverse grip you have to make wide sweeping cuts that reveal your elbow, your sides everything when you are attacking that angle meaning you opponent can quite easily side step and then lop off your arm.

[@vaasmontenegro8303]

OH MY GOD YOU ACTUALLY FINISHED THE FUCKING VIDEO. *Continues watching*

[@Reti4]

+Vaas Montenegro I know right? Will miracles never cease? Seriously though, sorry for the wait. I hope you enjoyed the video.

[@vaasmontenegro8303]

Reti4 I did. I'm glad you gave Bultar the win, only took you a year lad. Haha

[@wolepyro9779]

I wouldn’t know tbh because the only time we see Bultar was at the battle of Geonosis but just for a glimpse second I would have love to have seen more of her though

[@esuna6352]

great vid man! I love your deep analysis on your every video.

[@Reti4]

+Brix Valle Thank you very much, I appreciate your support.

[@GeneralErlend]

Very good video, well worth the wait. Have you planned what your next versus combatants are going to be?

[@joshuajones3041]

My brother and I will be looking forward to them.

[@wileyhenry3990]

Would love to see your evaluation of Ahsoka after seeing her on "Rebels". Toe to Toe with Vader and defeating 2 inquisitors.