Star Wars Versus Series: Plo Koon + Shaak Ti Vs Darth Tyranus + Darth Maul

Well, here it is, after 4 months of delays I have finally got Antoine and I's second collaboration finished. I am happier with the results of this one than I have been for any previous project, and I hope you are too.
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[@slayersam8298]

8 years later and this is still one of my favorite versus series, I don’t know how I feel the outcome would be. But you guys painted a perfect picture for a few outcomes! Antoine and reti are great together for splitting the breakdown between siths and Jedi

[@GreyJedi91]

Like I said a long time ago when we first discussed this, I don't agree with the outcome at all. But it was still very well presented. Excellent tribute to and understanding of the characters even if I think the Sith should have taken this. Kept me entertained and mentally stimulated while driving through New Mexico.

[@Reti4]

Glad Antoine and I could keep you entertained on your long journey friend. It's good to hear from you again.

[@Sebastian-xq5oj]

Amon, how's death?

[@christiandauz3742]

Reti4 Must... Not... bone Shaak Ti!

[@Reti4]

***** Are you implying I'm bias towards Shaak Ti or are you making a joke at your own expense that you find her attractive?

[@christiandauz3742]

Is Electric Judgment a variation on Force Lightning?

[@jamesrundle2661]

Plo Koon looks way better with a yellow lightsaber over blue

[@fishmanvii7816]

Totally agree

[@fishmanvii7816]

But at plo koons time yellow light Sabres were used by sith

[@hopebringer2348]

+Fishman VII yellow sabers were used by JEDI centinels, from where did you have de CRAZY idea of "Yellow saber are for sith"?

[@jameslaulainen6570]

i don't think so. because of his role in the order. he was a guardian going in and destroying traces of the dark side. not hiding in plain sight. the blue saber suits him

[@josiahjenksisawesome]

True

[@dojokonojo]

After this I kind of wish that the animators for The Clone Wars gave the other Jedi Masters some good fights.

[@TheNuisanceBird]

Yeah. Plo Koon was supposed to have a fight with Grievous at one point.

[@jacksonyon5276]

Me too but they can only do so much and I’m more than happy with what we got. Maybe in future Star Wars content

[@ShadyKnight9349]

@@TheNuisanceBird Given how Grievous was handled in TCW, it would have been a disappointing fight.

[@ShadyKnight9349]

@dojokonojo I agree. I love TCW but like you said, it would’ve been great to give others some fight scenes. Particularly Mace and Plo.

[@OliverCovfefe]

I don't even watch these videos to see who will win I just watch to learn about my old EU because wookieepedia was always a hot mess.

[@matthewpick2342]

In my opinion, Mauls' combat prowess is severely underrated here. He managed to hold out against Sidious for such a long time (In reference to his solo battle), and with excellent effect. It's also not below him to simply use Plo Koons lightsaber instead of Dooku's, as indicated in the situational story. I also don't believe that the electrical currents would have much effect on him either, as Plo Koons' force lightning is way weaker than Sidious's own versions - wherein the CW's fight, it was pretty clear that Maul's cybernetic legs were still moving, rather fine. Mandolorean tech for the win. I can understand the assumption, however, as Vader is a good comparison for this - his cybernetics were designed to fail under the influence of force lightning, and he was notably of poor quality due to the emperor's wrath towards his failure. Other points, I am warily in agreement with - are in regards to teamwork, except for Maul getting in the way of Dooku. It's not like it's Dooku's first time fighting alongside allied force users, and his shown adaptability will surely make up for the rest - it may also be an out of the box thought: that Dooku becomes significantly stronger, due to his animosity towards Maul, the hatred can fuel him. Not only this but the akin styles of Mauls' form 7 fighting style are rather similar to Qui Gon Jinns' Ataru - there's very little to fill the gaps on. Also to outline, as this peeved me slightly, are about Maul's combat capabilities - is in comparison to Sidious, who managed to blitz three Jedi masters of the same rank as Plo Koon and Shaak Ti. To me, him being below them makes very little sense to me. However, I am willing to concede that feats shown towards both Jedi masters are accurate and make for a rather devastating team matchup. That's all I can really criticise at the top of my head, though I too may be wrong.

[@brianriley9340]

Just to point out, in the situational story Ti is using Plo Koon’s lightsaber, and with dooku’s gone he is left with only his one blade

[@devontaelafleur3841]

Sidious was objectively toying with maul and opress and literally disarmed maul with a butterfly block😂. He landed one good hit on sidious

[@SpaceMonke99]

Loved the comprehensive analysis of how the duel would pan out at the end. I visualised all of it in my head there. I certainly enjoyed the video.

[@KumaoftheForest]

Makes me wonder Plo Koon and Shaak Ti vs Wolf Sazen and Shado Vao

[@VenKilledVanitas]

Good grief, you two act like Maul is completely incapable of holding his own against a force push.

[@tanzmanz3469]

+VenKilledVanitas hahahaha cracked me up

[@xelic1996]

+VenKilledVanitas Yeah seriously

[@Reti4]

+VenKilledVanitas Eerm, have you seen the ridiculous amounts of hits he's taken? He isn't known for his great defense...

[@VenKilledVanitas]

Reti4 Maybe not, but he IS known for his great resiliency.

[@souffrantdepine3762]

Good grief, you people act like you don't know how overwhelmingly powerful Shaak Ti and Plo Koon's force pushes are.

[@gorefreak2]

If maul and dooku hate one another so much it'll make them stronger, that's the darkside for you.

[@Reti4]

It'll help fuel their aggression yes, but it completely destroys their team synergy.

[@gorefreak2]

Reti4 Fair enough, It was still an enjoyable watch. Darth Tyranus being one of my favourite sith.

[@ohnonoarmyofficial5488]

PaleHorse also count Dooku doesn’t use much anger,it’s just maul

[@Rosseroni88]

This is a fantastically well thought out unbiased description. Shaak Ti has been my favorite for years, best description of her I've ever listened to.

[@OscarWHudson]

So, what you're saying is that in a 2v2 scenario the jedi would win but in a 1v1 and 1v1 scenario the sith would win, seems good

[@KumaoftheForest]

The issue is that Maul and Dooku don’t trust each other.

[@edblake476]

@@KumaoftheForest In canon, either Sith solo. In legends, Dooku still solo's tbh,

[@cultofmalgus1310]

blown away, just blown away man. Fantastic video, keep up the amazing work!

[@morganswift7326]

I doubt that Plo's electric judgment would affect Maul's legs as he could still walk after Sidious electrocuted Maul for several minutes.Maul and Dooku are capable of working together,as shown SoD. Nice vid though

[@BenjaVOM]

They weren't exactly working together, they just agreed to not stab eachother in the back when they were fighting the Jedi otherwise they would've been killed, other than that there was no teamwork between them.

[@edblake476]

@@BenjaVOM Yeah. Dooku could still solo though.

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

@@BenjaVOM That's all Dooku would need to solo Shaak-Ti and Plo-Koon by himself. Maul is just overkill. Dunno why everyone keeps underrating Dooku. Have they not read that Dooku was better than literally any Jedi at the Academy besides Yoda, who he was equal to?

[@adamtremblay9126]

​@@TheStraightestWhitestLol, Dooku lost both engagements with Yoda, he is not equal to Yoda. And Anakin alone could give Dooku a good fight, and Shaak Ti and Plo Koon I consider slight superior combatents to Anakin, tho not quite on Dooku's level.

[@logangc8598]

Excellent job. This video was very in-depth with the characters, incredible breakdown by you and Antoine. At first, I was nervous that Ti and Koon weren't gonna win, but they managed to pull through. Again, incredible job and well worth the wait.

[@Reti4]

Thank you, we're glad you enjoyed

[@vincentescolano2578]

I'm so glad with the results plo Koon and shaak ti are my favorite Jedi. they are underrated due to there rare showing in the saga, and the clone wars TV show. however they are each very skilled. I really enjoy your videos and the quality is excellent. a awesome video to do would be asajj ventress vs shaak ti.

[@edblake476]

The verdict is lunacy, but is was entertaining. Ventress vs Ti is a good match-up. I"m considering starting my own versus series, with that being my first match-up.

[@AntoineBandele]

+Ahsoka Tano We will ;-)

[@memine8795]

Antoine Bandele What happened to Reti4

[@supadupapug896]

Antonie Bandele I understand you used TMP maul that is why you said Dooku stands above the rest but if this were TCW maul vs Dooku who do you think would win I personally think Maul plz let me know your opnion

[@TheNuisanceBird]

@@supadupapug896 SOD Maul could honestly may be able to take a majority against Dooku.

[@pjjohnson7318]

TheNuisanceBird I personally think even then Dooku would win

[@omnitool1586]

Glad to see in the comments that at least Antoine came to his senses.

[@ngjingkai2400]

This the the best and most intense battle i have ever heard/imagined before! My fav jedi (Plo Koon) vs my favourite sith lord (dooku) is definitely a dream come true. I fully agree with the results of this battle thopugh. The details are fully explained and the battle itself was fu.

[@superaclo7972]

Amazing I have watched many verses episodes but this was AMAZING i like how you walked through the fight with so much detail, you should make a book because your are amazing at putting in detail Awseome

[@wingedparagon4448]

We miss you Christopher Lee... you brought elegance to the Sith in the movies.

[@miketike3357]

LMFAO you have the fucking Jedi winning?! Tyranus could solo this LOL. Sith stomp.

[@williamhenning4700]

Mike Tike Couldn't solo but he could hold out for a time. Maul thrown in there tilts this a little too far in the Sith's favor for the outcome to be in much doubt.

[@peola630]

Whoever dooku fights he will be able to take out meaning he would be able to use his force abilities to take mauls opponent out since maul would take a long time

[@mikerodziewicz166]

Mike Tike well im sure tyranus would have had a better time of it if he was alone but sith are notorious for failing to work together thats how they jedi beat them in the lore

[@Bragej98]

Sith fanboy.

[@williamhenning4700]

Mike Rodziewicz Excuse me? You think Maul and Dooku together do worse then a long Dooku? You're crazy.

[@DeAndreJaquess]

This video was outstanding. Good job, Antonie & Reti ;). Shaak Ti is a beast!!

[@Reti4]

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Yes, yes she is.

[@ohnonoarmyofficial5488]

The BlackJedi agreed

[@battlemastermack6730]

could you do a Tag Team of Shaak Ti and Plo Koon vs Obiwan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker

[@vincentescolano2578]

plo Koon and shaak ti win.

[@jbradley9616]

Kenobi and Skywalker

[@mokoiakerehoma623]

@@jbradley9616 Anakin And Obi Wan

[@jang3975]

come on, this verdict is so wrong... you are seriously not giving Dooku enough credit... he could probably solo this...

[@Reti4]

Entirely possible, our opinions are known to be flawed on occasion. I do however know for a fact that Dooku couldn't solo this one. Remember that he barely manages Kenobi and Skywalker, always pushed into his back foot and eventually having to fall back against the two. And make no mistake, Plo and Ti are VERY MUCH on par with those two. They even have a better chance than them thanks to them having far more powerful force walls than Kenobi, which always causes problems for him, and they're both far more tactically adept than Anakin. Don't underestimate Plo and Ti, alone they're weaker than Dooku, but together they're more than a match. In a 2vs1 they'd force him onto his back foot until his crippled-by-old-age stamina flags and he's forced to retreat, much like his penultimate fight against Kenobi and Skywalker.

[@jang3975]

Reti4 probably i was exagerating about the 2vs1, but still here it's 2vs2 (and the other one dosen't lack stamina, young age or brute force, the only weakness of Dooku)... The Count deserved more...

[@supadupapug896]

you also completely underestimated maul seriously he lands of his a*s common he can use his teris kasi to doge plo and ti s force attacks just like Dooku maul could beat ploo and Dooku would just beat ti this verdict is pretty obvious in my opinion Maul and Dooku are way to skilled to be beat by these jedi

[@tiredjediknight3110]

Maul and Dooku would be the most likely winners in this fight.

[@souffrantdepine3762]

No. He plainly couldn't. Infact I'd argue that they were too generous.

[@Gglsucksbigballz]

Very entertaining. Thank you! I do feel like Plo was made to be the lesser of the bunch which seems odd. I thought Plo was the only one to have ever defeated Yoda. And, with his telepathic abilities would have seen both paralyzing strikes coming.

[@SrgRawlsTheLast]

How about Count Dooku vs Saruman?

[@matthewwhite4564]

+SrgRawlsTheLast hahaha that's awesome!

[@That0therG]

lol

[@sigmels863]

SrgRawlsTheLast Christopher Lee would win Xd

[@vedsharma6248]

Count Dooku vs Willy Wonka's dad

[@souffrantdepine3762]

@@vedsharma6248 Doctor Wonka wins 10 times out of ten fite me.

[@headtle]

I completely agree with how this played out. Well worth the wait, Master 4 and Antoine.

[@Reti4]

I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@karunsagar1773]

You guys say shak it was just holding vader's off, the fact she injured him while leaving unscathed seems to indicate she was gaining an upper hand in that duel before having to retreat due to clones

[@That0therG]

can I suggest an EU character that havent seen anywhere? what about FERUS ORLIN vs KANAN?

[@TheNuisanceBird]

Yeah I've been waiting to see Ferus Olin used.

[@zacharyrose7217]

I would say maul is far more superior in the physical sense...let's not forget that he was cut in half and lived.

[@lordboogus1145]

Zachary Rose he is on par with windu with the force (12,000 midichlorian count) and arguably the same skill.

[@TheNuisanceBird]

+Ditzy da Fox Windu is above Maul in the Force but not by much.

[@ggamesgarner8027]

Simian Tough windu is far superior to maul in combat skill and force.

[@mac2887]

TheNuisanceBird I never did understand why people shit on maul while during the clone wars there is only like 4 or 5 people more powerful than him 🤷‍♂️ and also people say he lost evertime against kenobi which I find confusing when clearly in every single duel apart from the final one maul defeats kenobi

[@fearthepiggaming2998]

Quite honestly this is THE MOST accurate verdict either of you have ever come up with I mean the small details so perfect. I loved it.

[@Reti4]

Thanks very much, I'm glad you enjoyed it. You're certainly in the minority with that view.

[@fearthepiggaming2998]

Reti4 yeah well those people are wrong I hate to say it there is such thing as an opinion but when cold hard facts are looking you in the eye you just have to learn to accept it and the cold hard fact here is that Shak Ti and Plo Koon are complete badasses in their own right. Either one of them could hold their own against Dooku individually same goes when it comes to beating Maul combine that with a good amount of teamwork from the Jedi and the overall hate Dooku and Maul have for each other and you're looking at a pretty clean sweep. Like you said in the video two 8's beat a 6 and a 9.

[@TheNuisanceBird]

+Shane Christensen I personally wouldn't say Maul's a 6 but ok.

[@fearthepiggaming2998]

Im just quoting what they said

[@vincentescolano2578]

your next tag team should be yoda and windu vs palpatine and dooku.

[@TheNuisanceBird]

I'd say the Jedi would take it. Yoda can eventually take down Sidious on equal ground and Mace VS Dooku is tough but DarthAnt66 has convinced me Mace > Dooku.

[@DavidStream_]

One word for that, WOW! Thank you. I bet that was a lot of effort for both of you to put together.. That was very enjoyable to listen to.

[@Reti4]

I never expected to be getting such high praise, I thought more people would be ticked off by the verdict. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@AJ-li7vr]

Dooku and maul stomps

[@vincentescolano2578]

based on?

[@vincentescolano2578]

Darth Cole my avatar says nothing you are just bias. just because Dooku and maul are in the movies more and are overrated does not mean shaak ti and plo Koon are worse. in fact maul pales in comparison to the Jedi. both jedi have been compared to Yoda and Mace Windu and are at the top of the council, do your research.

[@Ivan-hb3co]

I agree they win a few things were overlooked in jedi favour how come Shaak Ti experienced no fatigue after defeating dooku ?, and her winning against maul is bs especially when you take in consideration she was wooried about Plo surviving at the time of the fight with maul, maul as a real sith would play on her emotions. The difference is Maul and Dooku aren't overrated one was in the top 3 jedis duelist and the other one was trained from young childhood to kill jedis. Both of whom have had more duels then their jedi counterparts. Your statement about Maul being weaker compared to the jedi masters is wrong i would argue the opposite could be said as maul killed Qui gon, Adi Gallia both of whom are jedi masters + dueled obi wan best Soresu user tell me of siths or dark jedis Plo Koon and Shaak TI have defeated ? the reality is everyone says jedi masters are skilled but we see a lot of them being killed by Grievous who isn't even force sensitive.

[@Masa6x]

WHen did maul beat obi wan using soresu? In Phantom menace obi wan was only atura user.

[@Ivan-hb3co]

the clone wars series

[@Imperius1772]

Nice match up. I particularly enjoyed how you guys broke down/role played the fight.

[@darthmaul9033]

your also forgetting maul and dooku fight together in son of dathomir and do quite well

[@BenjaVOM]

They don't fight together, they just don't fight eachother. They needed to do so otherwise they would've been killed. Afterwards they went straight back to hating eachother

[@brokenknight4938]

@@BenjaVOM also maul had the darksaber not the double bladed saber which made quite a difference

[@Rod_of_God144]

Could you make a video on how you. make your versus vids plz????

[@Reti4]

I can, but I don't know how interesting it would be... I'll see what I come up with.

[@goodapolloimburningstariv7539]

thank you so much! Plo Koon is God!

[@joshuahicks7798]

Love it guys. Absolutely love it. I look forward to future videos. 👍

[@alexbproductionz]

I have problems with the verdict and how the fight played out. Dooku is obvious the most skilled duelist and also is the strongest in the force with the most techniques out of the 4. Maul is physically the strongest of the 4. Dooku can fight Anakin and Obi wan at the same time, who by themselves are quite a bit above both ti and koon. Maul fought Quigon and Obi wan at the same time, basically defeating both of them. Qui-gon is the same level as ti and koon. Sidious stated that the jedi would be no match for Maul during ep 1. The only jedi who would of beaten him at the time in a 1v1 are Yoda and Mace. Dooku gave yoda a could fight. Yoda could blitz koon or ti, just like sidious did to kit fisto and the others. Shaak ti and Plo Koon aren't in the same league as Maul or Dooku. Shaak ti couldn't even beat Grievous with help.

[@alexbproductionz]

***** Exactly. Dooku could keep up with Yoda and Maul isn't that far under Dooku. He was able to beat Qui gon (who is arguable the same level as these two jedi or even above) and Obi wan at the same time.

[@Django_Jeffro]

+Boss that what i was saying b4 i watched it

[@Django_Jeffro]

+Boss far under dooku? maul fight sidious on par!!!!!!!! only master yoda and master windu can do that!

[@alexbproductionz]

+ben shaw I said maul ISN'T far under dooku

[@TheHatCollection]

+ben shaw Maul didn't fight Sidious on par, it wasn't even close. He had Savage helping him for the majority of the fight, and the challenge they posed was an amusement to Sidious, laughing then butchering Savage. Maul then went into force-rage, which allowed him to keep up with Sidious for all of about six seconds, and basically the only time Sidious used his strongest weapon, the force, it ended the duel immediately. Maul wasn't even CLOSE to Sidious. And, actually, I'd say Maul IS far under Dooku, whose duelling ability was considered on par with Windu's, and whose mastery of the Force well overshadowed Maul. (Although itself overshadowed by Sidious, but let's face it, besides Yoda who wasn't overshadowed by Sidious?)

[@justsomeguywhokeepsgetting4885]

I hate it when people dislike this because maul, who is their favorite sith, didn't win

[@HaoPieldeoso]

Completely impossible. Maul or Dooku alone can take both Jedi

[@HaoPieldeoso]

Wrong. Dooku was able to take on Anakin and Kenobi at once in several occasions, losing to the former in the final confrontation mainly thanks to fear, taunts and Palpatine. Maul, ok, perhaps Maul can't take on both Jedi, but he would give 'em a hell of a match. In any case, both Dooku and Maul would stomp the Jedi.

[@Murkglow]

Maul was beaten solo by Kenobi (and I'm not talking about his surprise win as a Padawan) and Kenobi was still fairly convincingly victorious even when Maul had the added help of Savage Oppress at his side. Plo and Ti are both masters near Kenobi's level so there is no way in hell Maul could beat them both at once. 2v1 they would stomp him and even 1v1 I think it would be a close fight. Likewise while Dooku was a masterful duelist, he wasn't so far above that he could 2v1 masters of this level. There are multiple instances of Dooku getting pushed back and forced to retreat while fighting Kenobi and Ani together. He only generally won those fights when one or the other Jedi (usually Ani) made a foolish mistake (splitting up, charging off alone, letting Dooku anger them, ect...). Neither of these masters are the type to make a mistake like that. I'm willing to say at the very least Dooku was the single best fighter in this match up (and I would pick him to win a 1v1 against any of them) but with the Dark Side team hating each other and getting in each others way (Maul being more at fault on both accounts than Dooku) I can see the more united and cooperative Jedi pulling this one out (taking down the less stable Maul first and then 2v1ing Dooku to an eventual victory).

[@vincentescolano2578]

based on?

[@ravengod8905]

This fight is honestly too close to call. Each combatant has great feats and showings. Thus, we must delve deeper. First, TWC Maul is underestimated more than any other character I have seen. He's a more refined, calculating version than TPM Maul. His speed, I believe has been dampened exponentially by the mechanical legs. Before he his speed feats were great....without the force. He's very blunt in his force usage and I admit he's inferior to every other combatant. But he would not get ragdolled or destroyed by any in pure Force. Why? His Force defense is good enough and add that to his godlike pain tolerance he could tank almost any usage of the Force the Jedi could use. Where many people disregard Maul is his dueling capabilities. He's routinely outclassed Kenobi who undeniably has the best defense in the Jedi order. Now, I've seen an argument disregarding this fact because of Magnaguards. Ti battled dozens I believe and Kenobi struggled with three in RoTs. However, magnaguards are highly inconsistent in capabilities. Their stance was Ti had just as good as a defense because of that "feat". I say nay. Back to Maul. His skills are mid to high tier in terms of pure dueling. I would go so far to say he could take four rounds off of dooku in a best of ten. This was not me trying to make a but bring into perspective. Maul is not a weak leak, saying such a thing is blasphemous to his character.

[@Murkglow]

Raven god Except when he had his brother's help and they *both* lost... Sorry but I really can't agree that he "routinely outclassed Kenobi." He wasn't a joke to Kenobi (nor would he be to these two Masters) but he certainly isn't outclassing them either. Also where are we getting Maul taking four out of ten vs Dooku? Maul has been beaten by both Grevious and Kenobi fairly convincingly. Dooku was never even close to beaten by either of them 1v1 (Dooku makes a joke out of fighting Grevious and of course we know Kenobi kills Grevious). Maul vs Dooku is more like a two out of ten at best. That aside the major issue he and Dooku have is their incompatibility (both in temperament and fighting styles) and that is what gives the Jedi the edge, not their superior combined skill.

[@BattlestarZenobia]

Sidious was never at any point fully trying against Maul, he just ramped it up a little

[@throbbinclussy9100]

Shaak ti is my fav

[@GH-zh9zo]

I dont disagree with the outcome but I gotta say I don't think plo would be hit with lightning or force push a second time i think he would have changed his approach to help prevent such a thing happening again

[@amsalkhan1846]

maul didn't have a saberstaff when he had robotic legged he had half of a saberstaff and the darksaber

[@mercury2157]

ah well shit guess that didn't age well

[@Sigma_Gamer862]

Is there a team that could stand against Galen Marek and Darth Malgus? I don't think so cx

[@wizzbang4869]

All I see for siths defends are "Dooku or maul could beat them in a 2v1" first off that's debatable, second they fail to realize this is a team fight. They would always have suspicion of back stabbing and siths are a 1 v anyone type of wielders. So when they are placed together things can be hectic. While Jedi are trained and grown to learn to work together. And when it did come down to the 1v1's the sith were to old and to tired, unlike the Jedi who sufficiently spreaded their powers evenly. I knew it from the start, although that might also be my Plo Koon bias he he.

[@stephenjedi]

I'm thinking of starting a vs series of my own and I was wondering if I could have a little advise. P. S. I'm thinking of Qui Gon Jinn vs Kit Fisto for my first match. Opinions? Thanks.

[@Cenacles]

Woo! Been waiting for this for so long!

[@Reti4]

I hope that it's worth the wait.

[@ELOVE4U]

Reti4 Here a idea how about Darth Zannah and Asajj Ventress vs Mara Jade Skywalker and Jaina Solo. That sould be a good one.

[@Reti4]

ELOVE4U Would be interesting, not one I'm going to be doing for a long while though, sorry.

[@jerec1267]

***** you before or after mustafar

[@jerec1267]

***** since son you mean since your son cut your hand off?

[@jameslaulainen6570]

i agree completely so i just found it interesting that the emitter on mauls saberstaff and the pomel of plo koon's saber are similar if not identical. why is this?

[@xelic1996]

+James Laulainen A lot of lightsabers have similar designs is why.

[@cazyazzdude]

Honestly the only way I can see the Jedi winning is focusing on dooku while just shoving maul aside with the force, otherwise I think the sith take it 8 times (maybe 7) out of 10.

[@thedarkmaster4747]

+cazyazzdude ROTLMMFAO!!! LOL!!! "no maul... masters are fighting now." lol!

[@matthewcass3773]

is this some kind of dream? darth tyrannus could potentially solo maul being there is just overkill you underestimate maul

[@BenjaVOM]

There is no way Dooku is soloing

[@matthewcass3773]

Ben Kenobi I totally forgot about this video to be honest XD Well, I did say *potentially* solo But that’s beside the point Maul was being *severely* downplayed in this video

[@firstname8046]

Dooku did solo kenobi and anakin before multiple times and they are a better team and better fighters than ti and plo

[@DB6195]

Either Sith solo honestly.

[@lust4niko-89]

dooku may solo but plo koon would slap maul imo

[@ggamesgarner8027]

Dooku solos that’s obvious but maul would have a battle of his life against either of the 2 Jedi.

[@devenmckinney5951]

This is ridiculous it is well documented that maul is one of the greatest martial artist in the history of the galaxy and sidious even acknowledges mauls superiority over dooku opting for dooku’s political chops and maul had become a rival taking on the mantle of dark lord of the Sith it is also well documented that maul has mastery over all forms of lightsaber combat like sidious but favored juyo because of the Jedi being forbidden to practice it absolute disrespect to maul

[@unbelievablytrash9458]

@@devenmckinney5951 "It's well documented" x5 *Also does not provide any examples of this documentation* Seems legit. In all seriousness though, I really don't see how Maul is superior to Dooku in terms of martial prowess. Dooku was able to keep pace with Yoda and fight on fairly equal footing with the Grandmaster for a respectable amount of time, and in their rematch, when they were fighting in a Darkside nexus, Dooku actually landed a hit on Yoda. Meanwhile, Maul gets his sabre lopped in twain by a padawan. I'm obviously oversimplifying for dramatic effect, but the fact remains that Maul has very few feats to his name that would put him on Dooku's level.

[@weegee_darthno4045]

Nah he would not solo dooku uses form 2 makashi and so does shaak ti infact in legends shaak ti bested starkiller in a duel only reason starkiller won is because of the force and plo koon beat YODA in a sparring match(No force abillities and its CANON I believe)PS Shaak ti isnt as good as dooku in form 2 but almost as good and plo koon can use his own version of force lightning called electric judgement.

[@ELOVE4U]

Damn good series believe me it was worth the wait. Good job both of you.

[@Reti4]

Thank you very much

[@succgod8101]

Dooku solos. Has way to many feats.

[@varied3676]

Just finished this all In one sitting and ngl I really miss these videos bcs no one makes ones as good as this anymore

[@Cenacles]

Well to start off, that was an outstanding video - incredible detail and remained interesting throughout! *However*... :) To start you effectively turned Maul into a prop in the final fight, which though I appreciate you not wanting to make this battle just Maul and Dooku wreck the Jedi, it really isn't logical to portray Maul so helplessly. You dismissively state "Maul's inferiority" in regards to them as individual combatants, but this is simply a poor evaluation in my opinion; Maul is if anything the most capable of the four as an out and out duellist technically (Master of 2 forms *and* teras kasi outmatches all 3 for diversity and adaptability) and then the addition of his *far superior* physicality (if you've read Lockdown and consider that's *without the force* it's in my opinion just plain foolish to claim he isn't) to *all three* of the others in my opinion equates to him being the most capable combatant - you (again dismissively) highlight the skills of the jedi in the fight whilst seemingly ignoring Maul's - you think he would stand there unaware? Or just bumbling around getting in Dooku's way? Maul in a duelling situation is a tactical genius and it's ridiculous to have him one second bombing forward completely unaware of anything and then a few minutes later deciding that he can't win and then running off. I'm sorry but unless you haven't noticed, Maul isn't one for giving up - *He wanted to fight Grievous, Dooku and Sidious on his own!!!* (and would've if he wasn't pushed away and restrained) - all other examples of 'running away' can be very logically explained (ie an entire army showing up or his brother being near-death). Clear inconsistency there goes further to accentuate your use of Maul as a prop to make it look like you've done a Maul+Dooku vs Plo+Ti but really you've just done Dooku vs Plo+Ti. Just regarding a couple more dismissive points on Maul; you said he's got a disinclination against the force which is in my opinion just outdated as is your point regarding his arrogance; as although yes he can be seemingly reckless, it is usually as a result of the loss of someone (Savage or Talzin) or just because he really doesn't like Obi-Wan; he has since shown (after TPM) he no longer possesses either of these traits to a hindering or relevant extent - to use these as criticism is like saying that Anakin being 4"5 is a hindering quality (ie Anakin grew in height and Maul grew in awareness). Finally - even if we pretend that it's normal for Maul to just disappear for a few minutes while Dooku fights the two (it really isn't) and then we have the fight go as you explained - you really think Maul would lose (or think himself would lose) to a battered and tired Shaak Ti (she did just defend against a Maul and Dooku offensive) just because he isn't that great with a single saber compared to her with 2? No offence but really? Your logic for Maul is that it isn't his preferred saber number despite him showing *clear* domination with a single blade versus the likes of Obi-Wan, Grievous *and* Windu + Secura yet Shaak Ti who doesn't prefer to use two sabers and has very little evidence to support any sort of skill with 2 versus a combatant of Maul's calibre would just scare him off eh? Okaaaaaay... Haha. Please don't mistake this for me saying anything overly negative about the video - I really did enjoy it and it was as a whole great! :) Good Job guys, but in future please don't use Maul as a prop :)

[@Reti4]

First of all thank you for your fair assessment, I'll try to highlight our opinion here. Maul is not a prop, but in our opinion people greatly overestimate him. He is beaten by Padawan Kenobi, he is beaten by emotionally wounded Kenobi WITH his brother backing him up, he is significantly battered by Pre Vizla and a bunch of other Jedi in comics that I can't recall the names of on the top of my head. All his impressive feats are taken from sources in which he has plot armour, and only a few of his defeats were wrought by the same. He has 1 lightsabre style that he uses, with two more as supplementary styles and Teras Kasi (he had these in TPM and still struggled against Qui-gon and Padawan Kenobi, which is why we might have unfairly dismissed the impressiveness of this). Ti has a master level hybrid of two styles, Plo has the most well rounded style mastered, as well as Ataru as a supplement and a unique form of Teras Kasi that rivals if not exceeds Maul's technique, but still loses out to his physicality boons. Maul tones down his arrogance, but he in no way moves past it, he consistently underestimates Kenobi and he took some embarrassing hits from Pre Vizla and Shirtless close quarters comic Jedi I can't recall the name of. As for a tactical genius in combat, his arrogance and Juyo raging tends to win out over reason. And if you think we're unfair with our description of him in the verdict, rewatch his fight against Kenobi with his brother, he is not a duelist meant for co-operative fighting. Dooku and Maul lose in this fight from a lack of synergy in their team work. Apologies for that somewhat piece meal response but I'm just trying to cover the basics of our opinion. I'm glad you enjoyed the video and I apologise if we did understate Maul a bit, we just don't feel he brings much to the Sith team with his particular skill set, which is specifically designed for solo combat.

[@Cenacles]

Reti4 Maul beat Padawan Kenobi end of - PIS beat Maul. The problem with using the Savage + Maul vs Kenobi fight is that it was in a tiny hallway where 2 duellists simply cannot fight 1 person efficiently (Dooku and Maul are up against 2 opponents as well, not just one) - Savage is the most brutish and uncontrolled duellist you'll see and add in his ludicrous size and then the size of his weapon; there's no shock they looked incapable of working together (the way you described Maul in the final fight is much more like Savage than Maul to be honest) - I think you'll also recall that that fight included Maul rag-dolling Kenobi and burying him; hardly getting beaten (Savage was near-death and needed to be removed from the situation and Maul prioritised that). I genuinely don't know what source you're talking about when you say 'Pre Vizla significantly battered him' - if it's their honourable duel in which Maul didn't use the force (the one where Pre Vizla who's arguably the greatest Mandalorian combatant of that time period landed a couple hits) then I'm not really sure how you can honestly think that's sufficient evidence for anything really - "Unparalleled in the galaxy Master Jun-Fan's combat-force abilities are" were Yoda's exact words to describe Jun-Fan and you think the fact this specific Jedi (who's clearly based on Yoda's description hardly a pushover) managed to hit Maul in the face once, scratch him then unsuccessfully attempt to strangle Maul resulting in him lowering his defences and as a result got kicked in the chest by Maul which killed him is Maul getting embarrassing hits? Please give me some names of Jedis that have significantly battered Maul? - Well you don't have to but maybe the sources or something; I appreciate you're busy but I'm genuinely curious because I'm unaware of them (I think). Additionally there are many aspects of Maul's force abilities and skills you've completely ignored in what seems like a subconscious crusade to nullify him from the fight :) ie saber throw, TK powerful enough to launch armies of droids, armoured guards and of course the infamous starship pull which people like to talk about but somehow believe it isn't a legitimate example, then there's dun moch (don't forget Maul has already fought Plo and killed many of his friends) and finally Maul's force augmentation which is so powerful he was able to force Sidious into saber-locking. And you really think that Maul would just forget about all these things in the fight eh? Interesting :) I can't stress enough that I really did enjoy the video and thanks for taking the time to reply to me :)

[@Reti4]

Thanks for clarifying with Jun-Fan, I confess to having not read that comic, I've just seen that fight scene, my ignorance is the only excuse for that slight on Maul's abilities there, my apologies. If Maul struggles against him though, I think it's more than fair to assume he'd have at least some issues fighting Plo's sliding hand Teras Kasi style, especially given how fluidly Plo can incorporate it into his lightsabre sequences (even if he rarely does). Maul wasn't battered by Pre Vizla but he did take some embarrassing hits for someone with the force backing him up. (I disagree with Antoine's evaluation of that fight slightly, he clearly uses a force leap to knock Vizla out of the air, and so the argument that he was using at least the more subconscious force precognition of Vizla's abilities is sound.) It is true we didn't mention his ability to sabre throw, but in fairness we completely forgot to mention that with all of them (not counting Ti who's mention was more an analysis of her fine control than pointing out that ability). Almost any Jedi with enough power in telekinesis can use the ability, only the blunt juggernauts can't. Still, another oversight on my part, sorry. We did hold back on his TK feats a bit didn't we? That wasn't intentional, we didn't really mention with any of them the full extent of their powers like I did with my Yoda VS Windu video. We did talk about his power though, just not as specifically enough to include examples. We did touch on Dun Moch, but it's completely useless against any Jedi worth their salt, let alone Plo and Ti, who are only below Yoda and Mace on the Council. So we didn't go into it much. (Kenobi is the same tier as them I know, but he gets a free pass with Maul, he's kind of a demon monkey on his back for him. Plus he makes up for it by being completely unbreakable *sniff* poor Siri and Satine.) Maul does have insane physical feats, especially backed up with force augmentation. But it's nothing Plo and Ti haven't faced before, to greater extents; Plo with Oppress and Ti with Vader. A lot of people believe Sidious was going all out at the very end of his fight with Maul, but I disagree entirely. He definitely reached a point where he stopped toying with him, just before he finished Oppress off he snarls a bit. But I'm sorry, someone who struggles with Obi-wan has absolutely no chance facing Mr "Fading in and out of existence" 's speed feats. Sidious was not going full out. It was still impressive matching up to him at the level he was putting into the fight, but we never deny that Maul pushes the Jedi onto their back foot, neither did very well against him at all, sans teamwork moments. As for not believing Ti could take Maul at the end, her stamina is INSANE. She wasn't visibly tired at all by the magna guard fight, only showing any difficulties after her immensely powerful and excessive application of force speed. Her fight with Dooku would definitely drain her, but not to the point she couldn't take an unfresh Maul (he's got more energy than her at that point, but not a significant amount more). Maul is also faaaar less proficient with a single sabre than he is with a double sided or two. You see that in every fight he uses one. Even if he could bring as much skill to the fight with one, Ti held off VADER, long enough to allow a significant amount of Jedi to escape the temple and then survived herself. That puts her far beyond a damaged legs, unfresh and single sabre wielding Maul in our opinion. Don't worry, I can take criticism and still understand you enjoyed the video, I prefer it when people pick fault, it keeps me on my toes and teaches me things I need to know. My knowledge is significantly lacking still, my strength lies in the analysis side of things. (I'm particularly proud of my Dooku Juyo-Ataru analysis and Plo's Sliding Hands Kasi) As for taking the time to reply, I'll reply to as many comments as I can, it's the best part of making these videos. Getting to talk to other Star Wars fanatics. Keep the comments coming. I hope that clarifies my opinion on a few things there, that's about as extensive as I can get without writing a sculptured essay :)

[@Cenacles]

Reti4 As a whole there really isn't much evidence at all to suggest Maul and Dooku would be a bad team to be honest; there are very few examples of Maul fighting with a teammate and it's always Savage who couldn't be more dissimilar from Dooku, additionally in *all* of their fights as a team that can really be used as example relevant to this battle (ie Kenobi was in a tiny hallway); Maul and Savage manage to either separate their opponents or are separated themselves. In the novelisation of TPM Maul's true combat prowess is epitomized perfectly as well as his tactical genius ie his ability to evaluate and analyse any opponent and devise a plan or best approach to defeat them. You've also kinda made Dooku and Maul into tactical morons in the verdict battle; their approach literally made no sense whatsoever and is simply an uncharacteristic portrayal of the two - Maul at the very least deserves to be noted as more than just an animal as you portrayed him; he simply wouldn't charge in swinging at the two of them without an idea as to what exactly he hopes to achieve ie maybe holding them off alone while Dooku uses one of his many masterful force abilities + Dooku *certainly* wouldn't allow Maul's methods to get in his way; Dooku's unmatched duelling methods allow him to take the environment and situation and use it as a weapon; for example if Maul has the two Jedi locked onto him Dooku would simply rag-doll one of them as they would require 100% focus on Maul not to be defeated by the warrior (who's so capable he forced Darth Sidious to saber-lock!) - Shaak Ti has shown she can't compete with Grievous when she's tired and Maul beat Grievous so this is at least slightly telling of how they match up together; Ti was scared and overwhelmed; these are Maul's specialities (fear and overwhelming his opponent). Plo was defeated by Savage easily (because he was unfocused - something either Maul or Dooku would pray on) and Maul far outclasses Savage in every way and I appreciate that Maul would be against Plo and Ti, but I think there's evidence to suggest he could at the very least hold the two of them alone fairly comfortably; neither of their offences are capable of dealing with Maul nor are their defences in my opinion and so the two together could hold him off yes, but Maul would be aware of this after just a few seconds, and this of course gives Dooku the freedom to use whatever force ability he wishes on the distracted Jedi. Additionally it's more than possible Dooku and Maul would be able to separate them and if anything it's inevitable - the Sith just need to go either side of them and that's problem solved (not exactly a conundrum). Separated Maul or Dooku can kill either of them and then it becomes a 2v1 if they haven't both already killed their individual target.

[@Cenacles]

Reti4 Thanks again for replying :) I was kinda being conservative on my criticism of Shaak Ti in regards to her fight with Grievous as well - if you're happy to say she's got that great stamina and yet Grievous embarrassed her twice, assuming she's got that unbelievable stamina then she must've been able to fight Grievous at least close to full power therefore; Grievous beat Shaak Ti, Maul beat Grievous = Maul beats Shaak Ti no? (he was single bladed then too).

[@KP-sx9zf]

Damn I wish they were in an episode together now. Everyone in this video. Great video guys.

[@blackmarketgamingTheLukaski]

Why join the sith when the sith killed your padawan? Heh Dooku?

[@coreyconley8267]

He left the Jedi because he felt the Order became blinded by politics and let the Republic dictate the path of the Jedi instead of the Force which was why Qui Gon wasnt on the Council Qui Gon was granted the rank of master yet he himself didn't sit with the Council because he didn't agree with certain aspects of the order. Dooku joined Sidious because he thought Sidious shared the same views when in reality Sidious just wanted power and control Dooku just wanted to bring back peace and order to the galaxy through his own ideologies.

[@XxZekeKnightxX]

If I can just say, there should be more team versus like this. I also enjoy the interteam combatants' dynamics coming into play, which shows that teamwork does pay off. These are extremely interesting!

[@Reti4]

I too love the team matches, unfortunately they take about three times the effort to make. I do hope to be tackling some more in the future though.

[@XxZekeKnightxX]

I understand that they require more time and effort to make. But hey, doesn't the saying go "you get out what you put in"?

[@Reti4]

Of course, but in the time it takes to make one 2vs2 we could make three 1vs1's. So it's not something we should try too often. Besides, it wouldn't be as "special an occasion" I we did them all the time.

[@XxZekeKnightxX]

I get that. Guess they'd lose their cool factor. Would stuff like 2v1 be a bit more manageable? That does appear quite often in media.

[@Reti4]

XxZekeKnightxX I have a 2vs1 in the works as I type this funnily enough, but I've got another match up I'm going to get done first.

[@Dex1er_2000]

Great video however you sorely underestimate maul. He is on par with he jedi in terms of duelling in the short term. He killed quigon who was a master duelist during both of the jedi's lifetimes. While i do not belive maul could beat the jedi he can defiantly match either of them for as long as he fought quigon and i believe he has the ability to kill shak ti as she fights similarly to quigon if not a little more defensively. Also you over estimate their ability to defend against dooku as a team as i believe obi wan and anakin to be a far more deadly team then shak and plo yet he kept up with them and dominated the fight for a time. Great video regardless. :D

[@skinnyjeans1622]

I'm really wondering why you gave Maul the robot legs and the doublesaber. When he lost his legs he dual wielded the darksaber and the red lightsaber. So why did you give him the doubleblade?

[@Young_BZ]

Dooku could take Anakin and Obiwan together. I'm pretty sure with just a little help he could easily take on any 2 Jedi save Yoda teaming up with someone. He was the top duelist in the order save Mace, Yoda and Anakin.

[@NickTthaBuffaroBreed]

prtzomi He beat them when Anakin was younger. He didnt beat him at his peak as a jedi. In fact they ended him. Obi wan beat Maul alone as padawan. Its not like these jedi are chumps. Theyre both members of the Jedi Council. And teamwork is something that was and should be weighed heavily upon. Maul's saberstaff isnt very good for fighting with a teammate anyway.

[@Young_BZ]

Ya but Obi-wan's not fighting if he was his team would probably win. He'd take out Maul and assuming his partner would wasn't killed by Dooku they'd take him together. Either way Dooku still held his own against Anakin and Obi in Episode III and I'm sure the A team of jedi is much better then PloKoon and Shock T.

[@Young_BZ]

The Sun Child Also Dooku was the top duelist in the order save Yoda, Mace Windu, Anakin and Palpy I don't think anyone could handle him alone. Maul has killed at least 2 Jedi Masters I'm pretty sure he can hold one of these two off while Dooku puts the other in his place. I understand the teamwork factor but Dooku can hold his own with the A team teamed up.

[@NickTthaBuffaroBreed]

Anakin defeats Dooku after Obi wan is taken out of the fight. The reality is no one is going to win in every situation. The setting of the fight is important, and how it plays out, with all the dynamics that go into a fight rather than just a shallow view of well Dooku is auto win because he is the best duelest of all 4 combatants. I do think that probably this match up would go 3:2 in favor of the jedi, due to their teamwork, and ability to maintain a long fight allows them to win in a lot of scenarios. The sith's chances of victory are best early in the fight, when Dooku is fresh. While Dooku does utilize the energy conservative Makashi form, he will eventually fade, and more quickly than the naturally more resilient Shaak Ti and Plo Koon.

[@19calypso62]

but the fact that maul and dooku aren't good well "friends" proves they don't trust each other and misses up there team work thus gives the Jedi a big advantage to exploit giving them killing win😇

[@eternalcarnage9760]

Dooku waves his hand and Plo and Tii disintegrate

[@TheJoker10259]

I 100% disagree with the verdict, but it was still fun to watch. And that Assassin's Creed music made me orgasm. USE IT MORE! Reti, do you know what matchup is next and do you have any idea when we can expect it?

[@Reti4]

Fair enough, I knew a lot of people would, we basically believe teamwork trumps minor skill+power advantages, especially when old-age-crippled stamina is thrown into the mix. I'm glad you enjoyed the video though. I do know what match up is next yes and I will try to get it out as soon as possible, the thing'll be a piece of cake after this behemoth, but I won't be putting up a preview until it's almost entirely ready, so you'll just have to wait and see.

[@TheJoker10259]

Reti4 *Wishes for Ahsoka, Ahsoka, and more Ahsoka*

[@Reti4]

The Joker 10259 *Smiles in a somewhat significant manner, glancing to his right screen at the title of his next VS matchup*

[@TheJoker10259]

Reti4 AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! *Blows Reti4 a kiss* I'm extremely curious to find out who she will be facing. I seem to be very unimaginative when it comes to Ahsoka versus matches lol. LOOKING FOWARD TO IT! :D

[@ryanbelcher25rb]

The Joker 10259 She needs to beat someone who is roughly like her in skill like Xanatos.

[@Storyman09]

Wow, that was intense. Good quality, good analysis as a whole, and I think I could buy the end result.

[@unclebizz9522]

plo koon is dope .... lol u star wars nerds man.. yet they need to make more Jedi based movies

[@harmonictie5844]

I like how he put Halo Wars music in the background

[@AKoboldsAdventures]

Maul and Dooku would rek Ti and Plo

[@vincentescolano2578]

based on?

[@Josh10345]

Balint Bakos no he wouldn't

[@darthsidious2561]

@@Josh10345 They would...

[@Josh10345]

Darth Sidious they are winning i can agree but low diffcutly no Its medium

[@StormStar626]

Well reasoned and accurately deduced. There are literally no holes in this vs series anyone who thinks it should have went the other way are just sith loving fan boys who don't listen to reason. Well done

[@adrianacalise4469]

I've seen some bad calls but this one really had my laughing, dooku alone could beat the two never mind being aided with another sith ,the sith would destroy these jedi in seconds, only mace,Yoda and Ani are on par with dooku in a duel ,and those jedi are milestones ahead of the two used in this video , dooku rapes either in a one on one wich he'd get being aided by maul, and maul is just as good as a duelist if not better then koon or ti , this one's a joke, plot koon is one of my favorite but he gets taken out of this fight quickly and tii not long after, dooku is almost as powerful as sidiouse and equal in the duel department , dooku wins this alone and being aided by maul .....well let's just say the galaxy is short two masters in about the time it takes to drink a bottle of water after a workout

[@elyase4626]

Lol, shaak ti gets raped by both maul and dooku, and plo koon would make a good fight with maul and could beat him (debatable) but with dooku in the mix, these 2 get absolutely curbstomped by dooku let alone both him and maul

[@austinford1530]

@@elyase4626 I think even Plo is out of his depth here. Ventress defeated Plo Koon and Kit Fisto at the same time and Savage was able to defeat Plo Koon as well. Both Sith solo.

[@KumaoftheForest]

@@austinford1530 when did Ventress beat Plo? I remember Plo beating Ventress with a broke arm

[@Rod_of_God144]

Reti4 I'm going to start my own versus series...can u give me any tips on what would be some good or OK software programs to edit my versus vids????

[@Reti4]

ALEX ZANDER I made my first videos on Windows Movie Maker, and as you probably noticed they're a little terrible. I made this video and all my later ones with Sony Vegas Pro 12. It's an expensive buy but I love the program. I wouldn't recommend buying anything expensive for your first go though, work out whether or not you'll enjoy making the videos with a free program first.

[@Rod_of_God144]

Ok Thanks Breh

[@cognitiveinterlace715]

Your completely underestimating dooku because he's old. You keep using the excuse that dooku will just loose due to fatigue but that's not the case at all. Dooku dosent just get tired from fighting Makashi is an energy saving form of lightsaber combat. Really? Your saying Shak Ti could Beat Dooku? When She was beat by General Grievous twice who was trained by Dooku and trained 2 other aprentince's? Dooku has brat anakin many times before and only lost to him in eposode 3 because anakin used his rage to overpower Dooku. Honestly, Dooku would destroy shak ti in a duel. Shak Ti could probablly hold up but would eventually be disarmed by Dooku and then killed. Plot koon could hold up much better in a fight. So Yah, Dooku and Maul are the true victors here but I respect your opinon.

[@mazemusicx8862]

Grievous was almost impossible to beat. 21 strikes a second are beyond anything any jedi could handle - except for obi wan. And dooku could overwhelm grievous because he knew the sequences programmed into grievous, since he pretty much created him. Your argument is invalid.

[@mazemusicx8862]

And dooku lost to anakin because he got arrogant, with fatique coming into play as the second biggest factor.

[@cognitiveinterlace715]

Maze Musicx What? I never implied grievous was weak.

[@michaelkoy4735]

Storm Master513 both of the times she faced grievous was when she was tired and injured. And he is not saying she could beat Dooku. But when she fought Dooku he was tired from Plo.

[@ggamesgarner8027]

Maze Musicx no he lost because anakins form was superior to his not to mention anakin also had a rage boost. Not to mention again but anakin by the time he fought Dooku would have no problem beating either shaak ti or Plo Koon.

[@thegamingenthusiast1801]

Where would this duel take place in a arena, a field or a hallway because I doubt maul would get in dooku's way unless they were in a corridor or hallway or small room.

[@mattweaver959]

This is really depressing. I disagr ee with this matchup entirely, and I also feel that you overrated shaak ti's abilities, and underestimated maul's

[@ValiantFlash]

An Impressive display yet again, well worth the wait. Was quite the surprise to see when I had gotten of work. :)

[@Reti4]

Thanks, I'm glad it was a pleasant surprise.

[@maxsolomon1338]

No. I completely disagree with this terrible verdict. I'll admit I'm kind of a Count Dooku fanboy but come on. Shaak Ti is just a big freaking joke in every aspect. She was beat by General Grievous! The Count could easily wreck Grievous hands down. I mean watch the 2003 clone wars series and see her fail miserably. And I get Plo Koon is a B.A. And all but please, I'm pretty sure Maul could destroy him in a duel. Maul was able to beat Qui gon Jin and almost kill Obi Wan. You two seem to underestimate maul and amplify Plo Koon

[@AntoineBandele]

You're not giving context to Ti's fight though. Both times Ti faced Grievous she was fatigued. You also are not giving credit to the fact that Ti had the upper-hand on Galen Marek, while controlling a sarlaac and keeping the entire planet of Felucia in balance. Don't understimate Ti. Plo Koon faced Asajj Ventress with a broken arm. Enough said there. I do agree Maul is underestimated though.

[@maxsolomon1338]

Don't get me wrong I loved the video. It's a 7 and a 9 vs an 8 and an 8. It at least should have been a tie.

[@maxsolomon1338]

I think Dooku could win on a 2 vs 1 duel with Plo and Ti. He would probably be very hurt afterwards but still he could hold off Obi Wan and Anakin with ease in the clone wars.

[@AntoineBandele]

warrior 2000 Obi-Wan was Force-pushed back. Then Dooku had a Force-grip around him and threw him away. That would constitute a weak Force-wall (at least against Master-level opponents).

[@bleach9thcompany]

You clearly don't know much about Shaak Ti then. Maybe you should brush up on your lore a bit?

[@InSanic13]

Excellent job on the the predicted fight at the end! Extremely suspenseful and exciting.

[@Reti4]

Thank you very much, I appreciate the support and I know Antoine does too.

[@elvis5138]

this video is one hour hell no i'm out

[@That0therG]

stfu

[@omnitool1586]

You're not missing much but a lot of misinformation.

[@PredatorWookiee]

+Jeff Collins misinformation? Really?

[@omnitool1586]

Yup. comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/i_like_swords/blog/debunking-star-wars-versus-series/102107/

[@That0therG]

if he wants to do this, then let him.

[@clementex2]

There is one thing I like about you and your videos. Is that you think deeper into each of the characters and bring out evaluations that is purely by your own thought, never in line with what the majority think. For example, this versus series you think the Jedi would win and that Mace would beat Yoda. I don't necessarily have to agree with this, but I am glad that people are not sucking on the canonical statements and use actual feats to provide evaluations. For example, I believe that Vitiate is stronger than Sidious as a force wielder and I am not surprised to anger so many Sidious fanboys with just one statement. Of course, I don't agree with your verdict because in every versus video I take power versus power and don't take into the account of teamwork. I personally don't think Dooku's age should become a huge factor in this contest because he has never shown to be tiring except in his final battle with Anakin and during his battles with Yoda. He, like Yoda, has well compensated for this shortcoming. I also think that Dooku solos them both in regards to their Force abilities, his usage of TK is far beyond Shaak and Plo's meaning that Maul is a non factor. And since Dooku was more or less able to hold his own against Kenobi and Skywalker, I do feel that he is able to do the same to Shaak and Plo in terms of the saber. Not that I am overestimating Dooku, its how I feel in regards to his abilities. Maul in any case would be nothing but a hinderance if you put teamwork as a factor, and an overkill without. Still, very good video and I am looking forward to your future videos.

[@AntoineBandele]

Agreed. That is why Reti and Jen are my favs. We need Yoda vs Mace and Vader vs Yoda to shake up established opinions.

[@Reti4]

Thanks, I certainly try to go as deep into the analysis as possible. I'm particularly proud of the Plo Koon Shifting Hands Kasi speculation and the Dooku Juyo/Ataru acrobatics theory.

[@Szeptful]

Lol, just lol guys. You really overrating teamwork as a factor here. Dooku is great fighter on his own, and he doesn't needs Maul's help to destroy those Jedi. Dooku fought superior pair of Jedi to this two - Anakin is the finest Djem So user Dooku had ever seen, and Plo's defense is far from even being similar to Kenobi's. Plo was kicked in the face by Opress, and let him took his mask off. As you guys already pointed, Plo isn't fast. Savage wasn't fast either. Dooku or Maul are at least a tier above Plo or Savage in speed's department. Both of them would be able to grab Plo's mask with much less effort then Savage did. Just look how easily Dooku broke Kenobi's defense with physical attacks. It would be even easier against Plo, who's inferior to Kenobi in terms of speed and defense. There is nothing, that suggest that Plo would be able to defend himself against Dooku's or Maul's attacks or physical attacks. There is also nothing, that suggest that Dooku would be tired after dueling Plo and Ti. Plo and Ti aren's as good as Kenobi and Skywalker, and from all of theese guys, only enraged Skywalker has some chances against Dooku. As a Force users, Dooku has far greater advantage over Jedi, then they have over Maul (I doubt after all, that Plo would be able to take ANY advantage over Maul in Force department). Let's say: Dooku hates Maul, and want him to die, so he lets him to charge at both Jedi. After a hard battle, Maul may die. Jedi are weakened after their duel with Maul, and then there is Dooku's entrance to the fight. After, lets say, 20 seconds, he physcically brokes Plo's defense and take his mask off, then he charged at Ti, and overhelm her with his sabers skills. And at the end, he's able to destroy her with his Force powers or saber's skills. It's hard to say how good Ti was in the TFU. Possiby she was in the same league with Kenobi in sabers, and was a superior as a Force user. Yeah, it's possible. She survived her duel with Anakin, she overhelmed Starkiller. She was one of the most (or the most) cunning Jedi Kenoi has ever met. So at her best, she's in the same league with Maul. But Plo is the weakest link here by far. He's in Opress league at best. He's inferior to any of those fighters, and sice Dooku is the strongest one, it can't be won by the Jedi :) And, Antooine... I'm disappointed. Even now, I don't believe, that you was able to agree with verdict like that. And about vid - despite terrible verdict, vid is great. Let's say, 8 out of 10.

[@Reti4]

Thanks for taking the time to criticise, getting to read different ideas and viewpoints is one of my favourite things about having started this channel. Firstly, it is entirely up for debate as to who make for a more powerful duo, Plo and Ti or Kenobi and Skywalker, but they are DEFINITELY in the same league, with the former duo making for a far more rounded combative package. You seem to underestimate Plo and Ti's abilities. Plo, despite fighting with almost literally one hand tied behind his back, defeated Ventress with relative ease, something both Anakin and Obi-wan have had difficulty with on a multitude of occasions (not always, granted, but still a lot). He only lost his mask to Oppress when he became distracted trying to help his ally, which yes is definitely a weakness of Plo, but he has nothing to worry about with Ti, she is more than capable of looking after herself. He is arguably superior in close combat to Kenobi thanks to his Shifting Hands Kasi style, Obi-wan's good, but his physical practise of Ataru is far less impressive on a technical level. (I'm not saying Plo is definitively superior in this area, but he's definitely more than a match) Plo is definitely less inclined to use his speed in combat, but if he was as slow and cumbersome as you think he'd A) Never have earned the respect of Maul, who specifically wanted to fight Windu and Koon prior to his Phantom Menace failure. and B) Held off the speedster Asajj so capably. Ti has held off a fully darkside amped Anakin in the temple, that's more than Dooku can say, who has been overpowered by just slightly teetering Anakin three times. There is PLENTY of evidence towards Dooku's tiring out as quickly as we think he does. He is shown out of breath in almost every duel he fights, he can definitely hold up for a while, but against duelists of Plo and Ti's calibre he has always struggled, even with his skill advantage, thanks to his flagging stamina. He'd 100% always defeat them in a 1vs1 but with both of them on him he really doesn't stand a chance, just see every fight he's fought with Kenobi and Skywalker for evidence. He'd hold them off in a rolling retreat, and then he'd flee when he gets too tired. I hope this is a solid reply to your comment, I tend to leave these replies a bit disjointed, and thank you for you kind appraisal of the video. I hope you enjoyed it despite the disappointing verdict.

[@Szeptful]

Reti4 "You seem to underestimate Plo and Ti's abilities." Not really. Personally, I place Ti and Koon in Opress' league. It's above of Fisto's, Ventress' or other top masters, and below Kenobi's or Maul's league. There is literally nothing, that would suggest, that Plo is clearly above Opress (like Kenobi and Maul). His one-time victory against Venttress is a great feat, but it's not enough. He - along with Fisto - struggled against Durge: static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/13/138522/3822004-6172817932-38201.jpg He also lost to Opress. And it wasn't that close after all. Opress managed to kick him in a face and later grab and took off his mask. Plo also had clones' support in that fight. We also have to remember, that Opress' defense was poor after all. Even Adi managed to do kick his leg (but her strenght was no match against his stamina). Kenobi was able to kick Opress a lot of times, and finally broke his leg with a kick. And cut off his arm. I agree with your description of Plo's fightning style - unlike the most Djem So users, Plo is defensive fihter, who relies on strong counter attacks. But the problem is, that Djem So isn't a style designed to defense. plo is a fast guy, if we'll compare him to most of other Jedi. But if we compare him to Kenobi or Fisto, he's slower and less agile. Shaak Ti's case is quite different, because there are some ewidences, that might suggest, that she was clearly above a guys like Plo. She was able to survive a duel against Anakin in the temple. But we have actually haven't seen that duel, so it's hard to interpret. She also gave Galen Marek hell, in lightsabers combat. But once again, we have to remember, that Starkiller was a good duelist. Just good, and nothing more. He was on par with pre-ANH Vader (who was inferior to TPM Maul's clone, and - as I remember - is stated to be inferior to his ROTJ or ESB self). Maul and Dooku are clearly above ANH Vader. As Antooine stated in his other video (Maul vs Galen), Maul is in fact above Galen as a duelist. Shaak Ti was also above him, but a much smaller margin. She also fought Grievous, and lost. I know, that she was almost completly exhausted, and perhaps even injured, but she had Ki-Adi an other masters on her side. Dooku was toying against the same Grievous for example. So, even if I place Ti below Maul, I can accept, that many will place her above him. And it will be resonable somehow. The key here is, that none of those Jedi will be able to hold their own against Dooku. Dooku almost defeated Kenobi at the very begin of their fight in TCW's last season. First kick almost killed Kenobi, and if not Anakin's help, Kenobu would be physcically beaten by the Count. And we have to remember, that Plo is not as good as Kenobi in defense, and much slower the Dooku. I doubt, that Plo would survive more then 20 seconds against Dooku in one against one battle. Dooku also would dominate Ti. He was stronger in the Force, his techniques were superior, his Makashi was far superior. Even if Ti is in Kenobi's or Skywalker's league, Plo is below. Dooku could easily find an advantage over Kenobi, even while having Anakin on his back. There is no way, that Ti would be able to prevents Plo's defeat. After 30 seconds of fight, Plo would fall, and Dooku would be able to easily deal with Ti in one against oe battle. And we have to remember, that Maul is here too. Jedi need another guy on their side, to even compete with those Sith.

[@Reti4]

Dooku only so casually defeats duelists when they're significantly inferior to him, not when they're only marginally beneath him. If that wasn't true, he wouldn't struggle against Anakin. Yes, he acknowledged him as the finest Djem So specialist he'd ever seen, but Anakin Skywalker is raw talent on a stick, that is all he is. He lacks tactical ingenuity, subtlety, the intelligence to master his insane potential in the force etc etc. He has also never been able to take Dooku without calling on his Force Rage. Plo is a much more well rounded package. As for Djem So not being a defensive style, it's entirely a defensive style, it's all about taking hits and immediately counter attacking. A popular argument is that he wouldn't be able to drive forward as powerfully as Anakin, but you can see his feats of strength in his casual beat down on a bunch of criminals in the Clone Wars adventures comic, where he fights Durge with Fisto. Neither of us is arguing that Plo and Ti could take Dooku in a 1vs1 (without him having tired first) but if they fought him individually it would definitely NOT be a 30 second fight, you've seen how much difficult Dooku has holding off Anakin on a number of occasions, and while Anakin has the natural talent advantage over Ti and Koon, that's all he has. He has less experience, less refinement, less tactical ingenuity, less subtlety. Ti, Koon, Kenobi and Skywalker are the 4 most powerful combatants in the Jedi Order (not counting Windu and Yoda obviously), the upper echelon. Even with his skill advantage, Dooku is not going to have an easy time of taking out any of them.

[@Szeptful]

Reti4 Dooku has already shown, that Kenobi is no match for him. And Dooku definitly had easy time when he fought Kenobi. According to the movie, he could easily overpower him with his Force powers, according to a non-canon novel, he could beat Kenobi with strict physical attacks as well. And it wasn't a factor in the past, but since we have seen their fight in the last season of TCW, it's clear that he could. Only Anakin's presence saved Kenobi. Compering to Kenobi, Plo is slower, worse in technical skill of the lightsaber, his defense isn't as good as Kenobi's. In a saber fight, he'll not show himself any better then Kenobi did. He's a superior Force user, though. I also agree, that without his rage, Anakin would never defeat Dooku. It's clear in the movie, and "Rise and Fall of DV" only confirms that. It should be also noted, that in the most of their fights, Dooku didin't even trying to kill Anakin. In their duel on Naboo, Dooku only defended himself, an trying to leave Palace with Palpatine. It would be stupid, to kill Anakin in front of Palpatine. And for Palpatine it was some test for Anakin, and perhaps Dooku. Look, like quite different is their fight from last season - Dooku forced Anakin onto defensive, despite that Kenobi also was there. And Kenobi was very close to his death. And at the end, we can see him suffer (he's holding his possibly injured ribs). Anakin also got kicked, and Dooku remained untouched by them. And duel was quite intense. It's natural, that at the end, Dooku could barley catch up his breath. I will say once more: if not Anakin's aid, Kenobi would have been killed in less then 20 seconds of the fight. Anakin saved him, and he returned to the fight only for being beat after another 20 seconds of the fight. In a 1 vs 1 duel, it would be an end. Dooku could use some lightning and Kenobi wouldn't be able to defend himself. So Plo, who isn't as fast, as good in defense would have very small chances to survive for longer. And I'll write it once again - far slower opponent was able to grab his mask off. Plo wouldb't be able to hold his own against Dooku for longer then 30 seconds (Kenobi's example clearly shows, that even 30 seconds is doubtfull). Opress - Plo's equal - barley survived a 10 seconds against Maul. Ventress also held his own for 20 seconds against Dooku when she was left alone. It have to be agreed - Plo is undoubtedly worse fighter then Dooku or Maul, and is possibly the worst fighter on the battlefield. "but you can see his feats of strength in his casual beat down on a bunch of criminals in the Clone Wars adventures comic" In this series of comics, every Jedi would be able to do that. Yoda was able to carry a big cannon/gun on his back, Luminara was able to throws a Wampa(?) with her bare hands, Mace and Saesee also were able to crush droids with their fists. So it's not best source of Plo's strenght. Dooku and Maul vs Mace and Kenobi, or Mace and Ti would be much more interesting. In that fight, Jedi are quite out-matched by the Sith's skill advantage. Shaak Ti vs Kenobi would have been interesting as well.

[@DaniilBaykov007]

Reti4 While I can't agree with Maciek Michalski that Plo was the worst fighter on the battlefield here, he pointed out an interesting fact. Breathing mask, indeed, make Plo vulnerable to any opponent, who is faster or more skillfull. That is the point to consider, since Dooku is both (He also has the ability to throw Plo's electric attack back at the Jedi). And if Sith would attack from different sides at the same time, Jedi will have a very hard time. Also, in this case, with enough space to move it, Maul saberstaff wouldn't be in disadvantage or create one for Dooku.

[@auditect950]

So, would Plo survive? Do you think Shaak could carry him to a Medical Station in Time or would Maul maybe decapicate the Jedi Master while he's on the ground?

[@Reti4]

I believe he'd survive, yes. He'd need a good week or two in the bacta tank to recover though.

[@PhyzecUK]

Both Darth Maul and Count Dooku can take both jedi on themselves haha

[@TTTTCJGKS]

If you are using Darth Maul with his cybernetic legs wouldn't he have his single blade saber with the vibro blade, not his double blade which was lost?

[@Reti4]

In terms of canon yes, you're right. But we don't think it makes sense that Maul doesn't rebuild his double bladed sabre at the first opportunity after his return, he specifically chose that weapon himself and spend the latter half of his training devoted to its mastery, believing it superior to a single blade. We feel the only reason he doesn't return to it is because the creators thought it would "clash" with Oppress' using one, not looking right if they both had them.

[@TimothyBukowskiApologist]

Is it true Antoine changed his mind on this verdict? If so, why?

[@TheNuisanceBird]

Probably because Dooku can Solo.

[@TimothyBukowskiApologist]

No. Antoine is smarter than to think that. Koon and Ti would handily defeat Dooku. The argument here is that Kenobi and Skywalker couldnt and therefore these two couldnt. First of all, both are superior force users compared to Kenobi and Skywalker (TCW era), second is Ti is faster than either of them, and speed is huge against the Count, Koon is stronger than any of the 5 (Dooku and Kenobi Skywalker). I think Koon could be a casualty but I definitely think Ti takes Dooku after the lengthy battle between the three

[@TheNuisanceBird]

+Timothy Bukowski Lol What? Watch my video with Anakin in it. I can assure you he's stronger an faster than both Plo Koon and Shaak Ti.

[@TimothyBukowskiApologist]

In terms of strength its a possibility but there is just no evidence he is faster than Ti. I think its absurd to claim such a thihg

[@TheNuisanceBird]

+Timothy Bukowski I'm pretty sure outrunning the vacuum of space is evidence enough.

[@centerofstar]

Is Count Dooku weak against top tier power dualist?

[@Reti4]

He's definitely not weak, against any type of opponent. But he is at a severe disadvantage purely thanks to his choice of form. Makashi is not built to take on power blows that actually have precision and skill behind them. As shown in the video, someone like Savage is child's play for him, but power duelists of Plo's calibre, who are only marginally inferior overall combatants, pose a significant threat. In his prime this wouldn't have been as much of an issue, his skill advantage would eventually win out regardless of their form advantage, but that "eventually" takes a significant amount of time, and stamina flagging Dooku doesn't have that time. It's why he so often has difficulties dealing with Anakin.

[@SavedServant]

DANG SOMEONE ANIMATE OR CHOREOGRAPH THIS FIGHT PLEASE!!!! I LOVE how they played it out!!! Did a phenomenal job in the end of making it clear that although Maul was technically outmatched by the others, he very much deserved a strong role in this fight and was portrayed as a powerful and overwhelming force the Jedi needed to plan around in what I believe to be very realistic and true to his nature! Great fight!

[@Reti4]

Thanks, you're one of the few that likes how we laid out the conclusion fight. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@tdaye6978]

As much as I DON'T like Dooku, I know almost for a fact that he could take Shaak Ti and Plo Koon my himself. I'm sure if Anakin and Obi-Wan were to fight those two Jedi, they'd win. And Dooku has at least matched them time and time again (Until Anakin got pissed on day and kicked his ass). And EVEN if Dooku wasn't QUITE up to the challenge, putting Maul in there....or any worthy force user for that matter....would make it an easy win for Dooku.

[@skyslasher2297]

Wait what if mauls saber staffs second blade wasn't destroyed when it was cut in half by shakk ti or had pre vislas dark saber with him.

[@CoopMy]

this was absolutely brilliant! thank you for doing this, you two killed it. I'm so very impressed this the amount of thought you guys put into it. Good work you guys have one more subscriber.

[@Reti4]

Thank you very much, I really do appreciate supportive comments like this. I'm glad you enjoyed the video.

[@Eleolius]

Well done. I highly agree with the verdict, mainly because both of these Sith were optimized to fight alone, and in the case of Dooku, never fighting when outnumbered on neutral and fair ground.

[@Why-id3hb]

What you people need to realize is that in this battle the combination of maul and dooku makes it harder for either of the sith to perform at their highest potential. This is not just a contest of each individual's skill paired up against the other it is also an analysis of how each of these combatants would perform when paired together

[@thedarkmaster4747]

+The Illuminati EXACTLY!!!

[@caos1925]

I think this is my new favorite versus video. The depth is so deep, its fantastic! Although in the armament category, I think you should have mentioned the black saber Maul took from Pre Visla.

[@Reti4]

High praise, thank you. We considered giving him the Dark sabre as well, but it just doesn't seem like Maul to carry around trophies, not when he believes his weapon is superior.

[@vynotix5087]

I 100% agree with the verdict, Shaak Ti is a Master at lightsaber dueling and Force abilities, not to mention her Montreals which give her the ability to sense her surroundings, Maul with his cybernetic legs damaged is no match for her.

[@pjjohnson7318]

Honestly, Dooku doesn’t need Maul. He can solo. Dooku holds his own against the combination of Anakin and Obi Wan Kenobi on a consistent basis, and he was able to go head to head with Yoda even for a short time and live to tell the tale. I’m not seeing how he can’t solo this or be enough to where Maul being added, the Sith team win.

[@bobrocktnt]

Great job guys! Personnaly I think Maul would be much greater threat and I do not 100% agree with the verdict. (Maul looked strong in his fight vs Vader) Still loved the video that you did and I really hope to see more (if the following videos will be on this level of quality your channel will be best about SW versus for sure) This was awesome. p.s. What characthers can we expect in your future matchups?

[@ryanwalker8843]

I'm suprised you didnt note that Obi has to kick Savages knee more than once in order to take Savages leg out.

[@lovefrompraha]

Well there you have it. The best versus matchup I've seen yet. Good job bros

[@Reti4]

Woah, high praise indeed. Thank you very much. I 'my glad you enjoyed it

[@lovefrompraha]

You guys should do more collabs with characters like this. It was highly entertaining.

[@sumanoskae]

I agree with your verdict, but I will say this; this is a result of psychology. I think Maul and Dooku could actually compliment each other quite well if they tried. Maul's defense against multiple opponents with a saberstaff is excellent, as demonstrated in the Duel of Fates.If Maul would be willing to take up a defensive posture and split either Jedi's focus even slightly, Dooku, a master opportunist, could exploit the opening. Essentially, Maul demands a lot of attention, and Dooku is perhaps unmatched in his ability to exploit openings. But of course, Maul and Dooku hate each other, as you said. There is one thing you left out; Dooku's skill in Dun Mach. I'm surprised he didn't play on the Jedi's willingness to sacrifice themselves for each other, especially since he likely knows Plo Koon personally.

[@Reti4]

You are absolutely right, if Dooku and Maul had an ounce of synergy they'd completely dominate the two, forcing them into a rolling retreat until they fell back entirely or were overwhelmed. I have no idea how we managed to skip over Dooku's talent for Dun Moch, apologies, though I don't believe it would have had any effect on these two Jedi.

[@sumanoskae]

Reti4 You mention it in his bio. I only bring it up because Plo Koon almost killed himself saving Shak Ti and Shak Ti spared Maul to help Plo Koon; I'm just surprised Dooku didn't even try to take advantage of their bond.