Extremes are Extreme - FFXIV

[@TheShadowMagister]

No really, the Minstrel is YoshiP's avatar in game. He usually wears the outfit that YoshiP wears to fanfest for that expansion reveal (he comes in full cosplay) and he did the mocap for the harp animation. Replace the googles with glasses and it's a striking resemblance

[@Ladywizard]

Think we even see it during Rising "dreams"

[@zennok]

@@Ladywizard In those dreams he straight up introduces himself as Yoshi P iirc. Pretty great

[@celfhelp]

@@zennok "Naoki Yoshida", but yes, he's the dev talking directly to the player as himself

[@zeehero7280]

Yoshi P is also in Nioh 2. he is a legendary interdimensional traveller.

[@sauceinmyface9302]

His in game avatar is actually his lalafell, but when he interacts with players as an npc, thats his character. Stuff like the rising and the minstrels.

[@Lagzlot]

"Ahk Morn, I had nightmares about that after this." Every raiding tank since Final Coil is afraid of those words.

[@nilzero5686]

Use arm's length on every trash pull!!!! It hits every mob with a debuff that slows their auto-attacks!!! It is mitigation!!! -signed every healer ever

[@malpercio123]

This changed my tanking.

[@IKMcGwee]

For the Shinryu extreme, we had like the same two people getting tidal waves and asking how to not die. We told them to both spin the camera for the water and Arms Length stops KB. The AL blew their minds haha. There's always something about AL that somebody doesn't know.

[@Dewkeeper]

"Akh Morn, I'm gonna have nightmares about that" Every single veteran FFXIV tank and healer experience a spike in blood pressure upon seeing those two words. You have now joined that stories bunch. 😂😂

[@royox]

I still get a PTS attack every time I'm doing "new content" and I see "Akh Morn" being casted lol. Since the Bahamut Raid xD

[@PubstarHero]

Meanwhile healers cry at Morn Afah.

[@retokazene]

DSR took it to a new level with Akh Morn Edge

[@justBlueJayArchive]

Bloefolg here! It was a pleasure to run DPS with you guys. I was always too poor for MMOs growing up so this has been my first real raiding experience. I've been running level 90 extremes and the current savage tier with the discord but I've only been at endgame for a couple months. I was going into Shinryu just as blind as you guys! That was a beautiful night and I'm grateful to have been a small part of it.

[@Zikoro]

I can't wait for their reaction when they step into Savage raiding. Also Garret is getting that Solus hair already!

[@Kekira]

Do I hear violins?

[@adamosborne9440]

Weeeeeeary wanderer....

[@gysahlfields7506]

What I have to offer is some Trivia/Lore about FFXIV and old FF Instalments, and how this information related to the Shinryu Battle mechanics. First of all, Shinryu is a Primal. All Primals are of one Element or more (Shiva is Ice, Ifrit is Fire, Ramuh is Thunder, Bismarck is Wind and Water, etc). So, Shinryu is a Primal of... all Elements. These Attacks (Hellfire, Tidal Wave, Levin Bolt, etc.) were all done in Extreme versions of Ifrit, Leviathan, Ramuh, etc. Maybe in the Story Mode of those fights too. Basicaly, Shinryu is a combination of all Basic Elements and does signature moves of all the Primals of these Basic Elements. Now, Akh Morn, is a Wyrm attack. Bahamut does it in Coils, Nidhogg does it, Hraevelgr somewhat does it in Sor Khai, Shinryu does it, and Prime Midgardsorm does it in the Omega story. You must understand what these basic Primal moves and Akh Morn do as they are basic language for this game. They started training is in 2013 with these one by one, fight by fight. And now it is expected of new players to learn these mechanics and they throw them all at the same time to you LOL. Now, some fun facts about Shinryu. Shinryu is a Primal in XIV. In general, in FINAL FANTASY, outside of the Final Bosses of the some of the games, and some situations that the involved parties have no control over, there are 4 beings that can travel through Dimensions. (Travelling through Dimensions = tear a hole through the Rift, and traverse the Outer Void, to enter different Dimensions. Each Dimension is a FINAL FANTASY Instalment. The Void that you hear in XIV is not the one I am talking about. There is an Outer Void connecting the Instalments, only on the loosest stuff though.) So, these 4 beings are: 1) SHINRYU 2) OMEGA 3) GILGAMESH 4) SHANTOTTO I suspect the 5th one is going to be Y'shtola someday (more wishful thinking, but yeah). So, the first 3 appeared first in FFV. They travel to different FF Worlds, each for their own reasons. The 4th is a crazy lady. Lol. Just travels because. These are the same characters. So, for example, OMEGA in FFXIII, FFXV or FFV is the same OMEGA. He has travelled to other FF Worlds between his pursuit of Midgardsorm and saw and analysed these beings that he tests us with in OMEGA Raid Series. All the beings we fight are from Instalments were OMEGA actually visited. So, for example we didn't see Sephiroth or Cloud from FFVII because OMEGA never visited FFVII. Even Alpha was created by OMEGA because he met Chocobo (that looks like Alpha) in a FF Universe called Chocobo World. They travelled and had adventures together and that is why he created him in his virtual reality world in the Scapes. (Btw, don't confuse OMEGA with the occasional enemy in some FF game that has similarities to him, the Omega Weapon). So, just keep this in mind. Shinryu in XIV is implied to be a different being than all other instalments, as it is just a Primal. ALTHOUGH, I have a totally consistent with all Instalments headcannon that our Primal Shinryu is the ACTUAL Shinryu from all other Installments, and here we have his origin story. It would make so much sense why he thirsts for "Energy/Power" on all other Installments. He's a Primal from XIV and starves for Aether. Btw Shinryu was summoned by the wishes of everyone and he kinda took form as a mix of Prime Midgardsorm and Primal Bahamut. Where was I going with these? Nowhere. Just throwing stuff out there for entertainment lol.

[@VaporeonEnjoyer1]

Most people start extreme... you know, with something like Titan. That guy who has like 4 mechanics. You guys jumped in the deep end.

[@sticky4401]

when I started playing the game last year, I found a full sprout group and we did titan extreme with min iLvl no echo. So... it only took us 8 hours but we did beat it...

[@michaelpoulsen2862]

I went from Ruby Weapon, straight to E8S Shiva lol

[@absfinal]

@@sticky4401 wow, did you guys do the 8 hours in one go? Usually groups disband after a few tries

[@sticky4401]

@@absfinal we had like 5 people in discord and 3 others were constantly rotating through PF

[@RyuSaarva]

Sure but old fights have their own difficulties like tank busters being instant with no castbars and healers having less instant spells/mp regeneration abilities.

[@thomasrobinson6320]

If you're going back to old Ex's to do, I would strongly recommend doing Thordan and Nidhogg in HW. Both are amazing fights - Thordan especially is a lot like Shinryu in terms of difference to the normal mode. In general, the Ex's designed around an expansion final boss are made into spectacles and such. It's a hell of a good time. It's also probably one of the better Ex's to prep for Savage in terms of difficulty and mechanical complexity. So doing that would be good prep to start doing OS1-4.

[@kingrama521]

man thordan was a different beast back in the day. Basically a savage raid because A4s had murdered the raid scene, so Thordan was there to get people stronger to finish A4s

[@izren4415]

the end of the video is so forboding with that music garret loves

[@Amovetv]

It’s such a good track!!! Straight 🔥🔥🔥

[@pixielst]

Zenos laying eggs will never leave my head. Thank you.

[@luckytanuki5449]

I'll say this now since you can already tell there will be people complaining "oh you did it with echo and that's not impressive, or oh it was much harder before". Don't focus on those negative comments, focus on the positive ones congratulating you on the fight and the fact that you did it. People have a habit of only seeing the critiques without seeing the compliments. Congrats on the clear and look forward to more to come, because it only goes up from here

[@ponderingForever]

29:10 Usually Minstrel Ballads and Savages have a bit more redesign in places compared to standard Extremes, but it's when it's the finale of it's got a entirely new phase/system/narrative going on! As the Final Boss of base Stormblood, it's definitely there to give you the "true finale" experience.

[@kfarc9687]

I think the coolest thing about this EX is the fact that adds phase is synced with music so that big laser is synced with the start of music of the chorus and you start climbing his tail when "Storm of blood, born from blood ..." starts. Its such a well choreographed moment, love it.

[@Koibito247]

Zenos laying eggs 🤣🤣 they did just recently name a rooster after him in the animal petting Mogchute stream lolol this was so fun to watch and hear your thoughts and experiences. Looking forward to see you conquering the other fights, the extremes and savages maybe one day ultimates. Also great to get the mount farm going!

[@Jacqli-Rivoli]

Worth staying up to watch the end. It was hype as hell.

[@AnimatronicBadgerlord]

Having only started doing stuff like this this expansion... I love how the game handles it. No running back, no trash, just you and the boss kicking your ass. You die you get up, you start again immediately. It's awesome. I feel like I need to move to ya'lls server... I have no one to play with on mine. I'd love to do these old extremes I've never had a chance to try before.

[@mazusagou1946]

As someone who has used controller since day 1 on a melee dps: yes, the buttons do make the combos feel super natural and yes, targeting is a tiny weakness, but you do get used to it and figure out your own work arounds to it. Loving your reactions and love for the content and can't wait for the next 2 xpacs!

[@Nirual86]

playing FFXIV on controller is perfectly doable since its designed that way. If you ever wonder why they keep removing abilities from most classes every expansion, its to keep the total number of actions you'll need to manage on your hotbars consistent. It's also why they've removed most abilities that require targeting an area (or reworked them to just target around the player or around their current target) over the years. The biggest challenge on controller is playing healers, especially in Alliance raids where you might need to toss some revives or heals to the other 16 players on top of your own party. Yet on the other hand, the only person in my FC that always plays on controller mains Astro and she's probably our best healer overall.

[@johnnybui7846]

You guys talking about how there's lore behind the extremes reminds me of my friend who just started the game. He loved that there's lore for the Teleport and Return spells. He hasn't gotten far enough to see them being used in the story yet though, can't wait to see that.

[@catholicpowers]

I had a blast running that with you guys and was wholly impressed how quickly mechanics were picked up by the both of you and the rest of the group. Well on your way to becoming Savage raiders. GG!

[@Zaki_Arx]

every time when shinryu does his ultimate, the music changes, and it never fails to give me goosebumps...

[@jonathanharrison4585]

Props to the group you ran with for sticking with you and helping you understand mechanics. I wasn't able to stay for the whole stream but I contented myself with gifting you the glowy versions of the weapons from the trial (which I'm glad Garrett liked enough to rock on the 4.4 MSQ stream). Once you get to current content, Savage fights are some of the most fun you can have with this game, and it really pushes you and teaches you to be a better player, on top of creating unforgettable moments with your friends. I'm so glad you enjoyed this dip into higher end content, this is a very good taste of things to come.

[@Airlinecuisine]

The chain mechanic for sure makes an appearance during the last boss of the vault , you may just not have noticed it cause the person you were chained to may have taken care of it plus the damage is negligible. EX trails/raids is very rewarding content and people at all skill levels can do them and are super good practice for savage, mechanics come back the more you see mechanics and can recognize them the bigger leg up you have in other fights. Some tips i can give to you guys for your future raiding endeavers is Mechanics > dps , you can clean up dps and get greedy once ur comfortable with mechanics, and secondly look into snapshotting if u havent already, the way mechanics happen is a bit odd in ff14 where you can run into mechanics while the animation is going off still and not take damage but the opposite is true as well where you can not be in an animation and still get hit, never trust your eyes, my rule of thumb is normally the damage goes out as soon as the cast bar finishes and kinda "takes a picture" of that instance or "snap shots" so if u were in a mechanic when that cast bar ended but u moved out before the animation went off.. ull still get hit. its complicated but once u understand it ull be a better raider for it.

[@mohidwaseem7997]

Firstly, the thumbnail game for this is ON POINT! You jumped into the deep end of extremes and came out powered up! Awesome video and and even more amazing stream. Now that you've seen an extreme I'll put in a few tips for the future. 1. A tank swap is signified when any ability from the boss put a "vulnerability" of somekind on the main tank (Terra Slash put a physical vuln if you look at the debuff of the main tank), usually indicating that the next attack will kill him and a tank swap is needed. 2. Akh Morn is a ability that all dragons, and dragon themed bosses, have. It is almost always a incredibly heavy series of high damage laser blasts (either a tank buster or group stack) which get incremented by 1 each cast. So if the first Akh Morn hits once, the second will hit twice and so on. 3. Unlike the extremes, i recommend saving savage for after MSQ and starting with the first savage of a tier and not jumping to like the 4th at first, the difficulty increases progressively (Skip ARR savages for now, those are a difficulty level above normal savages). They might take multiple days of progging.

[@LostMythics]

Glad to help the 2 of you clear. Was a real fun 4.5 hours of bashing into a wall but you managed to pull through! Though I might sit out the Tsukuyomi EX...

[@TheLazyEnigma]

(Out of context post-Shadowbringers reference below) I can’t help but hear Preach repeatedly saying “burn out the bad” all creepy-like when I hear that ending music lol.

[@TristamWolf]

"some people say this is Yoshi-P's NPC" Just wait for The Rising (the anniversary event) and you'll see what we mean.

[@Xilibrius]

I think one of the best parts of the fight is the fact that after the tail slams in after the ad phase and you start to cross the tail the musical shift into the full-blown storm blood theme is a predetermined synced moment

[@magickoopa24]

Nice work y'all! As others have said it's not the Extreme I'd have started with, but I'm glad both of you came out of this loving it Also, have to add- Shinryu lays eggs in Normal, so it's canon that Zenos lays eggs.

[@katarh]

It's also canon that all dragons reproduce via a sort of aetherial parthogenisis. They only ever have one parent, although their parent can have a consort they view as a second parental figure.

[@Eiensakura]

The 4th boss in every wing of Savage often have a hidden phase not seen in Normal. You need to see it even if it's done unsync-ed just to experience the scale and spectacle of it

[@kuronaialtani]

From Stormblood on* HW was just a long fight, SB added the second phase/door boss standard with a bang And then we got e8s .__.

[@Eiensakura]

@@kuronaialtani huehuehue

[@CrashB111]

@@kuronaialtani We all Light Rampant down here Georgie.

[@Salt_Mage]

The extra phase started in Heavensward with A8S, but didn’t return until O4S

[@kuronaialtani]

@@Salt_Mage Except that it's still a single long fight in the same vein as E8S brute justice ain't a door boss

[@miamha]

Remember, when you get a rez, you get a few second of invincibility, it's called "Transcendence" and it cancels when you use any action (except for basic movement). There are a few mechanics in the game where it will go through, but for the most part you want to wait for the heals then start pressing your buttons.

[@ericbright1742]

Those mechanics that beat Transcendence is usually things like "Oh don't worry Titan, I didn't need that floor."

[@miamha]

@@ericbright1742 and almost everything in ultimates

[@ericbright1742]

@@miamha Today I learned.

[@Nirual86]

@@ericbright1742 and failed DPS checks and enrages. For some reason Ramuh EX's tankbuster goes through any invuln too. Think if you somehow end up getting ressed into a deathwall it also straight-up kills you instantly, but you revive at the place the ress was casted at. Unlike LB 3 revives that also don't give you Transcendence in the first place.

[@kekon3]

This stream was awesome, but what made it extra awesome was that while watching it I was legit doing my weekly raid meetup with the static. When I finished for the day I tuned in just in time to see them clear. Safe to say Kyle and Garrett. You guys had a nice and full raid day yourselves and it was a blast!

[@tsuribachi]

"not afraid to ramp things up to 11" I mean, we have Hildy

[@mysticstar6335]

Jumped into the deep end myself. My first ever extreme was ruby weapon. Was scared to raid until then. It was a challenge and I had a blast. Been raiding ever since.

[@RothAnim]

A friend of mine taught us how to split our target enemy element so we could put the cast bar center screen. Huge help, especially for myself who LOVES kicking an enemy in the face mid-cast. It was one of the few interactions I could do outside healing in WoW raiding, so It's almost second nature to me now: 3 is always my interrupt.

[@fridgegremlin5496]

Extremes are wonderful fun. Shinryu is, to this day, my favorite EX because of that final phase transition and how the music syncs up. Having done it back in Stormblood, it still holds up wonderfully.

[@ladyopheliagames]

Hey dont forget, use your HUD layout feature to create a setup just for raids/trials. So you dont have to reset your HUD everytime you change up. Its a lifesaver for those of us who do versatile content. I have one for RP, MSQ, Raids/Trials and Crafting/Gathering. Glad you both as WOW raiders enjoy FFXIV raid content, it is usually a hit or miss depending on how a WOW refugee plays. Keep on being awesome guys!

[@TheNameCannotBeFound]

I've stopped playing FF14 religiously for like 2-3 years now. I only log on once or twice a week to say hi to friends, hang out a bit and make sure my house doesn't get destroyed. Do new Expansions/MSQ when they come out or side content if it intrigues me. I simply don't have the time anymore to raid seriously. I'm so glad you guys started doing extremes and, hopefully, some time in the near future, savage and ultimates! You two have become my favorite FF14 channel due to how genuine, positive and thoughtful you guys are. I've been impatiently waiting to relive vicariously the raids through you guys' viewpoint. Here's to more amazing content from my two favorite sprouts! Enjoy the raids!

[@wontononionslicer1004]

Shinryu is the boss fight that gives you a friend ;)

[@xxBG06xx]

1st thing: I both commend you and call you crazy to start with Shinryu Ex. The original story mode was so "hard" for regular players during the launch of Stormblood, that they had to nerf it, yes nerf it which had never been done before on a story mode fight. This lead to Yoshi-P having to come out and apologize to players and they also vowed to never make a story end boss that hard ever again. lol This EX though, was the hardest out of all the Ex trials on that expansion and up to that point in general. So much so, that not many people had the dog or it took them a very long time (some until ShB) to get it. Over all though, this fight was good and a lot of fun, at least to me. Congrats on the clear!

[@ancientspark375]

So usually how they handle Extremes is that the final boss of the MSQ (i.e., the X.0 final bosses) tend to get the most transformative Extremes (I say tend to because it's not always the case). This is because those Extremes aren't actually out by the time the expansion releases, but usually come out on the X.1 patches (the lull time in raids because new Raid tiers come out on even patches, X.0, X.2, etc.). So these particular Extremes like Shinryu Extreme have more time put into them and also are designed to give the hardcore raiders something to do while the odd patches (X.1, X.3) otherwise release Alliance Raids as catchup material for the more casual audience. By comparison, the first two Extremes of an Expansion (for Stormblood, that'd be Susano and Lakshmi) release close to the Expansion's release date, both as testing grounds to make sure nothing is too wack for class balance, but to also give some preparatory gear for the first Savage wing release. So they're usually designed to be a bit simpler and less transformative, although still a good challenge. After that, it's supposed to be the X.3 trial boss in Extreme on the X.3 patch., but then the pattern kind of diverges depending on what they're releasing. And sometimes they turn unexpected content into Extremes as well. Some of trial series such as Warring Triad and Four Lords also get their Extremes in patterns, but usually on even patches (X.0, X.2, X.4, etc.), again to help with preparatory gear for the Savage content coming on that patch, while other parts of the trial series get saved for X.5 because X.5 is the end of the expansion and there's no more savage content coming out.

[@ridleyroid9060]

With ultimates filling the lul in odd patches, the extremes on .1 and .3 are more to fill the gap until the .11 and .31 ultimate relases. Or at least that was true in sb and half true in shb. In ew they did that for .11 but prayge we get an ulti on .31

[@GetterRay]

Too bad the 6.1 ex was so bad in comparison. Probably the worst Extreme in the game in terms of expectations and potential and what we actually got.

[@EmperorPylades]

@@GetterRay Aria felt like a massive overcorrection from Elegy. Sure, I get that people complained about just how absurdly long Elegy was (10-20 mins), but this was just too much. Worse was all the unfulfilled potential, given that the base fight from 6.0 is one of the most utterly bonkers final bosses I've ever seen, somehow managing to out-insane Persona 3's Nyx in concept alone.

[@GetterRay]

​@@EmperorPylades Was Nyx that crazy in concept? As far as SMT games go, she was kinda tame, even P2 had Nyarlathohotep as a final boss and Brahman in DDS2 was way more insane than either. But yeah, the fight was lame and the worst part is that Hearts Aligned will never be on a mount.

[@EmperorPylades]

@@GetterRay You're fighting the anthropomorphic personification of mankind's collective fear of death, on top of a 300 storey tower that literally bled out of a wound in the collective unconsciousness, during the hidden 25th hour. All to stop the moon slamming into the planet. I'd say that counts as pretty whacked out.

[@reyennarhel2505]

Y'all are amazing, we love you! I love how enthusiastically you experience everything. Also, I hope y'all continue to do EX content! The SHB & EW ex's are also super fun. And I love them because they were the first things that made me actually dare to try harder content. My first "end game" content in FF14 were some SHB ex's and I was so PROUD once I learned the fights. RE: You're question about Shinryu being different - it is, but they also do that with the final boss of every expansion base. So Ultima Weapon EX, Knights of the Round EX, Shinryu EX, and then the final bosses of SHB and EW all have extra phases. Basically if something is called "Minstrel's Ballad: Boss Name", its a special ex. The other ones are just called like "Pool of Tribute: EX", "Emanation EX", etc.

[@mywhitevoice4276]

Whenever I did my first extreme it was a mix of emotions, just as when I cleared my first savage, I love it every single time.

[@orsonsnow1228]

Same for me. I think I enjoy these videos so much because there is a bit of nostalgia going on. Toughest "mechanic" on any extreme or savage is attitude. They had a good group, a solid fanbase cheering them on, and a good bit of patience. Congrats, guys!!!!

[@windsgrace688]

Shinryu was a good extreme, I remember farming it for the weapons when it first came out. Glad you guys had fun but for a first extreme, that's quite a tough introduction lol. My personal favorite is still Thordan so I recommend doing that extreme if you're up for more. I think some of the ones from ARR are a bit janky but I think the Heavensward ones and onward are all pretty great. All the Stormblood ones were pretty fun from what I can remember so might want to start from there. For savage raiding, I'd recommend doing Stormblood because ARR savage was really just a lot of experimentation by the dev team and Heavensward savage can get kind of rough and janky at times. I feel like Stormblood is where they really solidified the design of savage raids and made it more accessible.

[@maceofbass9295]

I'm so glad you two had a good time with this, it's such an awesome experience! When it was clear that you were going to clear I got so damn excited lol, and chat was going nuts.

[@walkseva]

Was around for the stream; seeing the live decryption of mechanics that blast your socks off is always a fun thing to watch.

[@mrbastos]

this showed up on my feed, was fun going back in time and listen to this one especially after you guys got 2 EX clears to finish Endwalker

[@SashaTheQwaser]

The Extreme fights are generally categorized as either "Title (Extreme)" or "The Minstrel's Ballad: Title", and the Minstrel's Ballad trial Extremes are considered to generally be a step above the others, in most, if not all, aspects. Transformation, mechanics, difficulty, etc. Shinryu was also the first X.0 Final Trial EX after they had settled into their general idea for encounter design, and they did it incredibly well. Looking forward to more content! Edit: Forgot to mention that ever since I saw one of your videos for FFXIV, I've binged them all, and I'm loving your reactions to the content. Can't wait to see the next video :D

[@anaalvensleben789]

Garrett's grumbling like a toddler bout the icicles is the funniest thing I've seen all week.

[@Quivla]

Alright, that 1.0 Mor Dhona music at the end with "SOON" was a funny bit. Well played to you sirs and a nice little in-joke/call back to the patch 4.4 stream. Also grats on the clear!

[@HERO-zy6bg]

For Kyle: Hold one of your hotbar buttons (R2/L2) and tap either R1 or L1 to cycle through enemies on your enemy list. It will keep you from targeting allies, NPCs, and other targetable objects. I played this game for about 3 years before realizing you could do that. Hope this helps .

[@Zakemaster]

Yeah, I’d argue that was a transformative moment for my playtime when I realized that.

[@lethargicwizard]

Alternatively, you can hold L1 and press up and down on the d-pad to cycle through the enemy list

[@howdomaddie]

oh wow, congrats on the clear you two, and to the awesome party you all had! i missed the stream, but i'm so glad you managed to get that clear. the EX fights can be really fun--i've been doing the current ones (and managed to do some of the SHB ones when they were current end game) and oh man are you two in for some fun if you try those out. challenging but fun indeed. and i hope you're liking controller, kyle! i started playing on PS4, and only somewhat recently swapped to PC, so i started with the default controller setup. i still play with controller too, and while it can be murder on the hands depending on what you're doing in game, i find it easier personally. you may have sorted it out by now, but a tip from what i've learned: the expanded hotbars are your friend!! having access to more of your skills at just a double tap of a trigger or holding both triggers has been a real life-saver for me, since some of the classes i main have a kind of bad case of button bloat at level 70+. and you might also have this down now, but i think you can swap targets by using the left and right directional buttons. hopefully that helps a little bit. again, congrats you two!!!

[@cyphi474]

Thats why you need your HUD organized. How many times i have to say it. :) Look how nice and tidy Garret's HUD is.

[@LyrieHimura]

Love the shinryu fight another is my favorite but your not there yet so can't say. The extremes in general are fun overall. Congrats on the clear!

[@TheNewThrone]

Getting into the harder content was such a blast for me. Wiping over and over but learning each time is great and the payoff when you finally do get the dub is amazing

[@merix6_6]

I love the difficulty system in FFXIV. I didn't expect to do any type of hard content in the game but after trying and beating the extremes in Endwalker, savage just didn't seem as intimidating. Two savage fights in, I found myself a static and we're still raiding together which is definitely not something I would have tried without the intermediate difficulty of the extremes. It's just such a smooth intro to heard content. Congrats on beating this guy, excited to see your next adventures!

[@loupinconnu]

You guys picked one of the top tier EX trials to do and I am so glad you enjoyed it. It's an amazing fight and really is so much fun. The places I would suggest to go after this: Other EX trials - Tsukuyomi is good for what you're currently at, as well as the 4 lords EX versions when you eventually do them. If you want to go back and do some then Thordan and Nidhogg EX are must see content. Savage - Exdeath Savage and Kefka Savage are both incredible fights. I'm sure your community will have plenty of suggestions on how to do it so listen to them and I believe you'll enjoy them. Ultimate - After you do Thordan EX and Nidhogg EX you should just watch a video on Dragonsong's Reprise Ultimate. Just so that you can see what happens when they take these EX fights that you will have already known and done, and then break the dial entirely and make it as brutally hard as they can.

[@TarossBlackburn]

It is usually most efficient to have a spellcaster deal with the LB3 when you're on Shinryu's back to kill off the wings and head. They can overlap their template on all three targets at the same time. Also for what I've understood is that the devteam usually creates the fights at THIS level, and then pares it down for the story mode to make it easier.

[@Megumi-dz1mm]

I'm so glad you guys had fun with Shin ex, it's one of my favorite extreme fights in the game. I highly recommend going back and doing Warring Triad extreme. Each fight is challenging in its own way, Sephirot's yellow and blue aoe from normal actually does something, now. Lol. Sophia ex will test your math skills, and Zurvan ex will test your ability to match colors, recognize patterns, and bait invisible ground aoe's.

[@Meowlo]

That was such a fun stream to watch and I'm glad y'all enjoyed it! Looking forward to whenever you guys step back into extremes or savages! (but shb sooooon!!) Tsukoyumi is one of my favorites, mechanically, but she is essentially the same as the story mode. I honestly cannot think of any other extreme that changes like this one does hmmm

[@ponderingForever]

17:17 - Languages can be in flux, but [SPOILER] from an early fight uses chains to make people stick together or suffer the consequences. Still "distance between 2 people" but used differently. It's pretty fun to try learn how each boss manipulates particular tells to their own advantage, adding flavour to each race's God rather than completely homogenizing them directly through play.

[@Deuzen_FIN]

The Vault also has the final boss use chain mechanics.

[@nathanprime2434]

Honestly in terms of doing EXTREMES, I would recommend starting from the begining and work your way forward. They are still awesome fights, and you grow as a player as the complexity grows as you move from ARR to Heavensward to StormBlood(and eventually to Shadowbringers). Sure doing a few "out of order" is fine for the hype and excitement of doing some favourites. I'm just so excited for a "Wall of Extremes", cause boy howdy, each is so unique and FUN!

[@Maria_Erias]

Yeah, one cool thing for me was watching Preach and his Crawlers start doing Extremes a couple months ago. Trial-like fights in general aren't exactly unknown in WoW - fights like Onyxia, or the bosses in Vault of Archaevon or Tol Barad come to mind - but they are something that modern WoW really seems to have stopped doing. And then stepping them up to an Extreme level? It's something that FF does so right, especially with the bigger, more transformative Extremes. Having one fight that is super hard, but that you can knock out in an easy raid night or two is something that's super satisfying, because even after you down an Extreme, it's so easy and so fun to come back to it again with a new group of friends or FC mates and do it again.

[@TheJuglart]

What a great video, like all you start with a serius boss fight. All the mechanics are really hard, but in ff is more like a puzzle. Have a great journey in ShB and try more extremes in the process, i want that Thordan ex XD

[@itsjezzer]

Controller targeting is the D-Pad: Up-Down cycles through mob list, Left-Right cycles through party

[@seekittycat]

My fav part of the raid is when everyone flow states together and it looks like a dance. Everything just clicks together

[@gnw_AstA]

The Wandering Minstrel is just Yoshi-P being our #1 Fanfic author, yes.

[@ericbright1742]

Chains were on the last boss of The Vault. They added an extra layer of complexity on top of the marching Chess Knights mechanic. They don't show up too often. Also, I am now adding Levinbolt to my list of "Fantasy Name or IKEA Brand" guessing game: Flugbo Savathûn Hektar Nävlinge Levinbolt Déagol Gnarp

[@vorpalslayer_]

Welcome to the insanity of high level raiding! This is why I had to catch the vod of it but honestly, it was a joy. The Adrenaline of high level raiding is so GOOD. With the current content it gets even better because it's just hitting the same fight yes, but it's always like a combination of puzzle and reaction time and putting it together and how it feels when you get it just right. High end content asks you to know the game AND know your class. Cause if you don't know your class it shows.

[@mikesmain]

Most of your FC and I made an unsynced party to farm the mount while you guys died over and over 😁. I love doing the extremes at their initial release, so much fun stepping in without knowing the fights! Great job guys and thanks to the community for supporting your guys' desire for punishment. Signed Shi Tenshi

[@DameonStarflame]

I was Yuko who joined near the end of it. Hiya! It was fun! * waves*

[@Cellybeans]

yes I can't believe we saw two fifes drop! was pretty nuts

[@ShufflofigusCam]

This stream was an amazing trip! From start to finish, you guys were entertaining and constantly improving. I really cannot wait for you guys to do more Extremes (specifically Tsukuyomi) or even some of the Savages!

[@StraggyRN]

Sorry ! I watched this release day but forgot to put my comment /tip in. So Controller tips! (I only play on controller even when I’m on Pc) : I switched my button map setup from grid to cross hotbar, this puts 16 blocks on one bar, if you hold right trigger on your controller, the 8 blocks on the right side are enabled so holding trigger I can press up down left or right for those blocks or triangle square circle or X for the other 4. Then you can hold left trigger you get access to the other side boxes with the same corresponding other button (up down square triangle etc). You can also enable it so if you tap right bumper it with switch to another set of 16 boxes and again hold trigger to select the one you want. You get like 8 different “pages” you can scroll through with the bumper. You can also enable it so when your weapon is put away/sheathed it goes through certain boxes, and when your weapon is out/drawn it can go through another set of pages… so like I have my melee attacks set to pages 1 and 2 and I have my teleports, minions mounts anc chocobo companion set to 7 and 8. So when I’m not in combat I can hit bumper and it will only go through bar 1 and 8 and I can hold bumper and then select certain pages if I want something from that page, and then when I’m in combat and hit bumper it will only scroll/rotate through page 1 and 2 back and forth for my combos. You can ALSO select an option so if you hold left trigger and then right trigger (so your holding both now) it will open another page you can select but isn’t in the trigger swiping (page 5 in my case) and you can get another page if you hold right then hold left (so opposite order) . So for instance I have my combos/moves only scrolling through 1 and 2 but I can hold left and right and the. Page 5 pops up which is where my limit break is (so I don’t accidentally click it when I don’t mean to) I also have my hot bars/cross bars set to hidden, and they will only appear when I hold the trigger. Clears up my screen (plus change the size of my bar to small) As for changing targets that is where Pc has the advantage with the mouse, but if your a healer let’s say, you just press down or up on the directional pad on the controller to scroll through my party members. Left or right to scroll through enemies. You can also select someone/something hold trigger snd press bumper to target the nearest enemy and scroll through enemies as well… this is just an easy way to target enemies compared to pressing just pressing X and hoping it targets the enemy…. Sorry lots of info, but that’s mostly the basics that made my life a million times easier with controller…. Still mess around and go through the menu customization options to see other things that are offered as well. Oh I think I also have it set up so if I’m moving forward I press bumper I think to auto run

[@TonberrySage]

It’s an amazing fight. But yes it is one of the most difficult ones. Especially up to Stormblood. To me it was the hardest one, we had a party of level 80s unsynced and we had trouble lol. I really had fun watching your stream and I’m glad you had fun!

[@TOAGamer1]

My first min ilevel no echo extreme was a soooooo much fun. Dancing Plague Extreme was great. At one point i had 6 vuln stacks (Thanks Kevin).

[@scion.]

Hey, controller player here too :) Good to see you guys had fun! People probably already told you, but you can quickly swap targets with R2+L1 or L2+R1 (similar to tab targetting on keyboard), it helps a lot!

[@Amovetv]

Def the way I'm playing now. Works great since I'm already holding down a trigger anyway!

[@Xenogsaga]

The Wandering Minstrel is the character Yoshi P used to show off some of the new 2.0 that was coming after the moon hit ending 1.0 the live letter shows the familiar NPC with alpha testers running around the Black Shroud during that live letter.. Nightmares about Ahk Morn? You're going to fit in just fine around here. Smiole. Obligatory: PS3 Support died for this Extreme Trial.

[@rjwojo1]

Hey guys, did u know that Extremes are, well... EXTREME! Great vid guys!! GG

[@michaelgentille5353]

When you have to do a button mash Active Time Maneuver on controller, you can mash all the face buttons (including the D-Pad) and the triggers.

[@ZZValiant]

Congrats! Been playing for six years and killing a fight for the first time still hasn't gotten old yet. Glad to see you two enjoying the fight!

[@malcontentbadger1164]

Old extremes worth giving a shot are Nidhogg, Thordan, and believe it or not, Thornmarch. King Moggle Mog was a nightmare back in the day.

[@Kekira]

They're about to change Thornmarch too

[@Bokugo1]

In character config on the "filters" tab at the top you can setup the cycling to go through only enemies that are aggroed for left and right dpad (up and down will be party members). Can also setup different kinds of filtering you can hotswap to. Then in character config again on the left side tabs at "hotbar settings", you can select the top tab "cross" andat the bottom enable "Always display WXHB". That will show your other hotbars on the screen so you can keep track of cooldowns there. Enable "Position WXHB seperately from XHB" and you will be able to move the added bars independently of the main bar, resizing included. These are probably the most impactful settings you will get out of using a controller so I highly recommend them.

[@ponderingForever]

7:00 You summed it up there. It's less an MMORPG, more a traditional JRPG with unlockable Co-op challenges. And by focusing on that smaller dedicated group (MORPG if you will) there's so much more quality per everyone's input compared to quantity for the sake of saying "It's 100 people vs 1 Dragon!". Everyone feels important.

[@Paski303]

:clap clap: - time to enhance this harder livelier version of the side of ff eh? I think it's a really helpful addition if u can 'Get the Muscle memory down' - u know ur openers (really is just a methodical step by step to bring out the most you can ASAP), your rotations (so u have 2-3 less places to dart your eyes towards / or any number fewer of it helps!), have a nice and comfortable hotkey + hotbar + buffs debuffs placement that u're used to ..... it's all such a fun learning procedure, and then u have all these fights ready for u to step up towards!! Hnnnng cant wait for more streams :D

[@LilypadOW]

for some reason this was also my first extreme!!!! was absolutely blown away by how hard this fight was compared to regular content, didn’t even bother trying to wrap my head around the fact that there was unreal savage and ultimate still haha

[@runicex2310]

DPad + a is my preferred way for changing targets on controller. Up down goes through the party list and right left goes through the enemy list. Pressing a will lock on to a target If you press a will not going through the list it will lock onto a certain target depending on how your target settings are. I don’t know if anyone In your group told you but you can expand your cross hot bar twice to get another 32ish slots on one hotbar

[@FessyDKnight]

Haha, glad you guys had fun. I think everyone eventually hits that one fight where the boss is like, "You think you know FFXIV?" and proceeds to just take a dump on you and makes you realize that yeah, what you did up to that point was kiddy stuff.

[@toadstool7729]

I remember grinding shinryu unsynced for the mount. About 7 hours and a total of about 60 clears later and I got it.

[@chloesa4487]

Oh, I'm early for the first time! Can't wait to hear both of your views, I watched the stream (afterwards) and it was a good one LOL. FF14 is my first proper MMO, I was so stressed (LOL) doing the Extremes and Savages, but they are addictive. For Kyle, I play WHM, and healing in Extreme and Savage Content is SO fun. Try it! BRB with more thoughts after watching this video! Honestly, extreme and savage content are like a separate world within FF14. I'm in a Japan server, we learn fights before we go in, try to understand the Japanese Macro so I know what's my position in some of the phases etc. It is alot of teamwork. Extreme Susano is one of my fav! Savage raids are fun too! Glad you both enjoyed EX Shinyru so much, can't wait till you guys do the rest of the EX and Savage content!

[@JDSleeper]

I remember checking YT a few times, seeing these guys were still going.

[@QueenofClonmel]

FOR CONTROLLER TARGET SWAPPING! There’s a way to swap target by simulating the Tab key of keyboard and mouse. The basic way of doing this… when you are using actions you should be holding R2 or L2(RT/LT). While holding down one of those, tap L1 or R1(LB/RB). Tapping those buttons while holding down a trigger, you will swap targets as a left or right tab target. You can also adjust the settings so it omits certain targets under some conditions. You can restrict it to tab between only enemies while your weapon is drawn, for example. I don’t see many people doing this on controller but you can actually set the game up to swap hotbars when you draw or sheathe your weapons. So I have my weapon sheathed hotbar with initial attack keys as well as my mount and teleport/return. Then when I draw my weapon the hotbar swaps instantly to all my attack keybinds. It displays the menus as a bunch of check boxes for hotbars 1-8. You set sheathed to hotbar 1, and assign actions there, then set weapon drawn to hotbars 2-8, and your hotbar will switch automatically the moment your character draws their weapon. But you have to have actions bound to the hotbars in question first, otherwise it will appear to not work.

[@Schetteren]

these guys haven't even done ultimate and they're acting this way lmao, I love these reactions, can't wait for yalls ultimate reaction in the far future

[@zerosuitfalcon]

It’s nice that you got this experience and drive to switch up your settings and improve early on. There’s a decent amount of normal trials in Shadowbringers and beyond that have more going on in them than even older extremes, especially from ARR.

[@sonicroze]

So, as a Mentor, I wind up in roulettes where I have to explain things to people. If I'm lucky, there's only one or two sprouts in an extreme trial. After HW, most things don't get randos looking for party through Duty Finder. I can very easily and concisely explain the mechanics for Ifrit, Titan, Garuda and Good King Moggle Mog XII (may the whiskers on his face ever grow long). It would be an absolute NIGHTMARE to try and explain Extreme mechanics if I had gotten Shinryu and I promise you that half my team would have bailed after a few pulls. This is mainly to echo the sentiments of your chat - You basically took a high end difficulty Extreme as your first outing. Congratulations! I would personally have chosen Ravana or Susanoo - both of whom I have actually gotten in Mentor Roulettes before. They are very fun extremes, but not half the challenge of what you just did. Extremes are actually pretty forgiving compared to Savage fights. The reason Exdeath is brought up as a Savage fight is because it is a good jumping on point. Not the most difficult, but definitely a good taste of things to come. I have done half of the current tier of Savage fights with a Static, and though there are Prog groups and such that *can* clear from Party Finder now, it definitely wasn't always that way. People are better geared now for example. Savage fights have far less tolerance of dying, often more personal responsibility toward mechanics... and you will start seeing people using Markers on them. You spend time on the ground, you will not make the DPS check. Someone dies, that means a mechanic may fall on someone who shouldn't have it. It is definitely an adrenaline rush and I am very proud to have been involved in current content like that. ^-^ It's also recontextualized a lot of the fights I'd done before. Going back into older fights and EX battles I'm like "Oh! I know that marker!" and I find it easier to place myself within the dance. Things I used to have trouble with no longer bother me. I am still far from an optimal player, but if *I* can do it, others can too. You just have to be able to persevere and be able to learn and adjust.

[@vdinh143]

To give my opinion on your question about Shinryu EX's standing: yes it was very different and yes it can be considered more difficult than some savage fights. Most bosses have the same routine: watch cast bar, watch ground aoe, dodge, repeat. Twintania from Binding Coil was the first boss that you had to learn to use Focus Target as a feature, and Shinryu was the first boss that you had to learn to use Enemy List as a feature. That and the breaking platform mechanics were very new at the time.

[@texanjoecoffeehouse8141]

Wow! Been a very productive and equally fast year for GG!

[@Esalok]

When people say it's different i think they are talking about new phases exclusive to extreme and how the fight flows. Most of extremes are usually a harder version of the normal mode, with adjustments and changes. But Shinryu on the other hand starts the fight in the second part of the normal mode, and then adds more, all while keeping it narativelly consistent with Zenos. Also really big epic dragon helps. About difficulty, I would say Shinryu is probably the hardest of stormblood, or at least one of the harder ones. It's also harder that most other extremes overall, but I would say there are some other ones that are up to the level or even harder than this one. What I don't know is who it fairs now. Because even if you min ilvl, job kits are different, and balance is more focused on level 90, so I don't know how damage dealt and recieved is now compared to release. Another thing about fights in this game is the puzzle component. This is more true in savage than it is usually on extreme, but finding out how to resolve what is happening and what is the boss doing exactly goes a long way to clear a fight, and in synced content is usually all that matters, as damage dealt is higher than originally intended.

[@InvictusRed1911]

Part of FFXIV is "iterative knowledge" that is picked up from other fights. Stack markers, aoe markers, using the enemy list and cast bars. For jumping in to THE Extreme fight of the expansion after skipping the Four Lords and the other Primals.. y'all did ok lol Especially because you haven't done and ARR or HW Savage fights. There's a lot of content you can cover, and I'm excited 🤗

[@Verd254]

It's cool you guys finally got a taste of EX content. Hopefully that really puts into perspective the difference between the normal mode story content and the content that is expected to be farmed and run multiple times.

[@MoonlightCharizard]

Welcome to Extreme! And it only gets better from now. The feeling of clearing is so good

[@cyphi474]

Pool of Tribute and Emanation are easier to learn. There are some tricky mechanics but it doesnt take that long to clear. Real reward for doing those ex fights is experience. It makes you way better player. Content in ShB and later is getting progressively harder as its expected from player having better understanding of the game. Still easy to be beaten by casuals, but way more intensive compared to previous expansion dungeons or trials.

[@Kekira]

Emanation is REALLY good for learning to watch the boss and what they're actually doing. Shinryu doesn't really have a ton of clear visual tells. But does teach you to pay attention to castbars. I HIGHLY recommend Emmenation.

[@eorzeanECM]

That was so fun guys. Loved watching you gentlemen, but that chat tho….fun