StarCraft 2: EPIC MATCH - Cheese vs Cheese into Macro! (Bly vs KingCobra)

Epic game of StarCraft 2 between Bly (Zerg) and KingCobra (Protoss).
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StarCraft 2 is a military science fiction real-time strategy video game developed and released by Blizzard Entertainment.
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[@davidstud3952]

30:55 everyone seems to miss that Bly first neuraled the observer so infestors stay invisible. man, great move 👍👍

[@Tasso0]

Really pivotal move, infestors would've been dead in the blink of an eye otherwise.

[@joshuakim5240]

It baffles me that he was able to so quickly find and select that tiny little Observer to pull that clutch move in the first place.

[@fatalmystic]

well spotted! key move!

[@guybrushthreepwood6085]

@@joshuakim5240actually , I think , that was a lucky little accident: Bly probably did use rapid fire to cast neurals on the front line of Cobra's units at the very moment when the observer was flying over the second archon in that line

[@syntora8940]

ya litterally the best move there. I wanted to commentate this as well, gj

[@david_benefield]

Neural on the Observer at the end was clutch.

[@Fridebuh]

I'm even inclined to believe it was the winning move. Protoss couldn't target the infestors, and zerg got the vision/detection he needed !

[@yamilabugattas3895]

Bly is one of the best players to watch as a spectator, he is always fun to watch. And he is probably the only Zerg player that I find myself rooting for when I watch a PvZ match. Great video!

[@MFARIGA]

I like how the Toss is almost winning with 150ish APM vs 400 app Zerg

[@sergiykulishenko3883]

3 months ago KingCobra won against Clem in BO3 :).

[@carlthegamer9215]

holding a key to pop all larvas adds you like 200 avg apm xD if not more.

[@ballboys607]

RIP to the zealot hit squad at 18:55, very unfortunate ultra spawn sending them to the Khala :(

[@eyeless1174]

I'm just imagining the Star Crafts version of this, with a dozen zealots whaling away at things... then all of a sudden this tiny egg in the corner erupts into a 40-foot giant. :D

[@sorinrobinson9237]

CHEESE VS CHEESE AND MACRO. Well butter my cheeks and call me a biscuit it just got good

[@Dlonysas]

no i don t think i will

[@suigetsuh17]

That's how I start most of my void ray cheese games but when I get spotted I change to macro😂

[@cameronmiller6240]

*butters cheeks* “biscuit”

[@liamgonzales8111]

That was a crazy close (and fun to watch) game despite the APM difference. APM is not everything... but it is something.

[@babyapple_]

nah, APM is everything but not in protoss thing.

[@bigdog7092]

APM is everything Spamming apm is not everything

[@liamgonzales8111]

@@bigdog7092 my thought is in sports like basketball or football speed is not everything. If I beating though, I am usually going to bet on the faster team.

[@Rattja]

Sometimes I feel so bad for SC units, like those 5 zelots trying to do a runby on a base where there are 5 ultras + a bunch of queens. It's like "Are you sure about this boss? Alright..."

[@pooyataleb2514]

Did you seriously expect a straight forward game from Bly?

[@guybrushthreepwood6085]

Great cast, thanks, Lowko! I would love to see more of KingCobra's games. The dude is true SC2 theoretician, macro daemon. Have you heared he actually defeated Clem in Bo5 series on the ESL OpenCup last year ?

[@Russianninja956]

It is such a pleasure to watch Bly play this game! I do have to tip my hat to King Cobra also, he made Bly sweat for sure. Thanks for bringing us another beautiful game of SC2!

[@yourname6553]

Everytime a new Lowko video comes up in my notifications, chills of exitement!

[@amafagussss]

Thank you Lowko for this great cast! I was very impressed at KingCobras Viper snipes. I would have loved to see how many Vipers Bly acually lost!

[@chir0pter]

15:22 that was awesome lol

[@danteprokrustes4795]

bly vs cobra? this batlle i about a whole lot more than you imagine !

[@coyrex1250]

That failure to kill the lair... fuck that hurt to watch

[@aaronm5091]

There lowko just play like that. Great match! I know when I played SC2 last I would always tunnel vision first or second fight then realize I never made any more army. With my mad 32 APM don't know how I ended up losing.

[@Nozdormu1982]

Lowko. Onme could argue that KingCobra somehow lost control over this game.

[@arnebeer962]

Just in time for dinner!

[@korihor9161]

Thanks. All your videos are awesome. Always hilatious or epic games

[@grenzviel4480]

I feel like Bly deliberately didn't go broodlords. He woulda won way sooner if had even just 4

[@toastman8382]

With a couple of broods at 26:30, he could probably pushed back those templars and keep his air units into the fight and win. But with that many tempest, I kinda understant why he didn't want to commmit to broodlords and risk getting them sniped one by one.

[@blazepond5518]

great, love it when ZvP gets a little interesting and different

[@gunkanjima3408]

“Abduction” by the Vipers. I’ve literally been calling it “yoink” since LoTV came out…

[@wardonosor7319]

Ah yes ,Bly & Cobra, the embodyment of cheese.)

[@mj18009]

WHAT A GAME!

[@smodeste92]

More cheese than a cheddar bay biscuit.

[@nezirdzanko6363]

Finally a game where my man Bly wins

[@abrafkalif]

What a awesome game!

[@Spartsou]

*grabs popcorn* This is gonna be good!

[@dh.bryson1627]

I do feel it’s a balance problem, not because overpowered units but not enough units to make plays happen. Wish there was more variety in units

[@GenAndrei]

Amazing game!!!

[@sykedem_yt6254]

I have been looking for a "ground view" video, but can't seem to find one. I have seen small trailers and screenshots or what not, but wouldn't it be pretty cool to see 2 massive armies going at it from different rotating ground views as if we were standing on the battlefield? I think that would be sick

[@BsBsBock]

Bly the Chernobull

[@econ0611]

Official name for Ultralisk should be Derp-alisk!!

[@thugnasty9139]

That was am amazing game. Especially from a underdog

[@alullabyofpain]

lowko how do you get these replays? whenever i want to learn i gotta watch VODs but i`d much rather watch reps instead

[@mossblomma]

Nice game

[@ArtemCheberyak]

Cheese vs. _Cheese_

[@tipofthespear7821]

A Phoenix a day keeps the mutas away

[@VariqOMG]

Hiii sorry i have a question, i cant see the hotkeys for move arrest and other, i just have on the bottom part of the panel the building hotkeys. Anyone know how i can fix it? Ty a lot!!

[@theawesometatertot6166]

Does anyone know what the song at 28:30 is?

[@CalvaryThe]

You chose a Bly game to try to learn how to play a standard late game?? 🤔

[@UserName-dm2lx]

I like how Lowko is so bad at ZvP lategame that he makes money off of casting a ZvP game lol

[@anderandersson5229]

Wow gg :)

[@CubicIronPyrite]

If the pro Zergs players are winning late game, then the solution for everyone else is to "get gud."

[@FinLogan]

I love how a thumbnail with an arrow to a character that says "epic match" increases views. SEO is interesting

[@imadbendi]

Good

[@taypangshiang7935]

This is a florencio alt isnt it

[@Josh-99]

King Cobra needed to push harder in the midgame. When he had those Phoenixes and Void Rays he needed to go all-in on Skytoss and just burn those Corruptors out while using Zealots to harass the ground. That gives the Zerg a choice: spend their Larva on defending the air or the ground. Also, I'm so sick of any game with Zerg in it coming down to either Infestors or Vipers (or both) and every game with Terran in it coming down to Ghosts. If they make a SC3, they need to put a little less focus on a handful of really powerful spellcasters when looking at late-game balance.

[@MetalMan1245]

Yes.

[@Alekouzos]

Unfortunally zvp late game below GMs is favorite to Toss. Zerg must be octupus to use all his spell casters. Toss he just a-move you.

[@TheJunkernaut]

I am biased but I feel like zerg has to work way harder to win these late game battles than terran or protoss. Where are the games where zerg loses 100 drones and still seem like they are in it? Other races have these different turtle up or comeback mechanics that the equivalent for zerg seem weaker or at least harder to pull off. Behind as terran? Drop mules, make a bunch of mines, turtle up. Struggling with late game counters, just build ghosts. Behind as protoss, air army, stay around shield bats, canons. What is the zerg equivalent, make a ton of queens, have 3 spellcasters microed? Anyways wah wah big baby lol

[@KryselITG]

I actually watched a video from winterstarcraft talking about balance e patches and I commented something similar. Here is what I wrote: "I am currently silver and play Zerg. I cant seem to break terran early enough in the game and past the 5-6 minute mark they seem to snowball. I can max out but they just bunker up with mass siege tanks and thors. They post up and dont move an inch. Meanwhile I need to use a unit comp of 5 or more units, include spellcasters and also micro to even start to break anything. I feel like the matchup is frustrating for lower skilled players like myself- it requires way more than I can do currently but the terran can just a move or siege up. My game plan was usually go for roach push around 4:20 but a siege tank on the high ground always seems to ruin this plan. Should I go for baneling bust instead? How do higher level players feel about zerg v terran early game?" There is a clear distinction I am of lower skill level so I may be biased as well but I agree with Zerg having to put in a bunch of effort to achieve the same results of other races. The whole swarm mechanic feels moot if they can take out your swarm with a bunch of sheltered units.

[@TheJunkernaut]

@@KryselITG I hear you, it's been a long time since I've played competitively and never much at that. Last I placed was mid Platinum, so definitely a very average player myself. That said I can play at roughly the same level with my off races that I've spent maybe a quarter of the time on just based on easier more efficient unit design architects.

[@warnaoh]

@@TheJunkernaut Doesnt mean shit bro. I'm a T master and played 80% of my games as T and still am master as Z and diamond as P. So what's the exuse now ? Most people below GM kinda have similar level with all races. Your knowledge and mechanics don't disappear when you switch.

[@TheJunkernaut]

​@@warnaoh No excuse necessary I'm not trying to rank up or play competitively lol. I understand what you mean with some crossover in skill. At the same time pretending the game is perfectly balanced at all skill levels is a farce. Even if you get it "right" at one skill level it will be somewhat unbalanced depending on skill level apm and game knowledge. Units that are useless at one rank may work pretty well at another because they take less apm to manage or are more forgiving to mistakes.

[@lexpavlinov9655]

sounds reasonable

[@vladimiriliev7668]

So the only way to win a PvZ is to abduct the P units :D If you can't kill the imbalanced, you must become the imbalanced

[@user-cu4ru1om5t]

Question: how rare is for zerg to microbal shroud probes?

[@phineox113]

As a Zerg player I don't think we ever do it

[@birtanikk2696]

Woaw

[@muttinnittin6527]

It's a shame to be forced to go higher than 100 apm as a protoss

[@sergiykulishenko3883]

Lowko, check recent KingCobra vs. Clem games, it was pretty awesome :).

[@xnephysisthere]

stole the only observer providing detection, and won the match

[@YutaSuzukitv]

Nice! T

[@lordbry470]

Imagine having x2.75 APM and barely wins the game

[@aarongazzaniga1929]

When are you playing Dune?

[@IvanMorningstar]

This is civil war , Russian vs Russian

[@bomnitoperro9422]

What a weird thing right. Zerg winning :v yeah protos is inbalanced shure.

[@jasonlynch282]

Nydus network would have been clutch for zerg and it's queen trafficking issues.

[@phineox113]

expensive

[@TheCozzyGaming]

Russia vs Ukraine... well this is interesting considering todays tensions

[@timothymiller5384]

Watching a Ukraine vs Russia match in March 2022 makes me sad. No one could've predicted this when it was first casted :( Hopefully both of these players are doing okay.

[@hiimdans7236]

Hi @lowkotv , I am a new sub from italy. I actually never played sc2 but I have seen the early stages in 2013 anda lways keeped up . So proud of reynor

[@vantext4912]

winning with ultras how

[@panelogerald4346]

I don't like KingCobra, he wastes a lot of zealots and probes.

[@cmiato]

again cheese, no has, sad

[@Scrial]

You pointed out something interesting. Zerg won the air game handily. But because the only Zerg air unit that can acutally do anything against Skytoss is the corruptor, they couldn't actually do anything against the rest of the ground army. Meanwhile basically every unit on the protoss side can attack both ground and air.

[@chemonized]

zerg OP

[@Aisaaax]

"SC2 used to be balanced around Grandmaster, but now it is balanced around top 10 in the world, which I guess is a higher priority." Is it though? The company gets more money if people like to play their game. If for 99% of the playerbase your game is poorly balanced - these people will eventually quit, and it won't help your game one bit that 10 pro players are still playing it. Blizzard was making the same mistake for a loooooong time with WoW - they balance and develop it aroun top 1% raiders as well as the bottom 1% super-casual players who just don't care about any balance so you can do whatever. And this leaves 90% of their actual playerbase constantly frustrated and/or disappointed.

[@N0noy1989]

On Lowko's point that on the very top, Zerg lategame is stronger than Protoss, that's because the skill level of Protoss pros are way below that of Zerg pros. Which is why we usually end of with Zerg heavy top placements in tournaments. However, balance-wise, Protoss is the stronger race, as shown by the results of lower than the absolute top of starcraft.

[@spoken_truth2501]

Zerg build one unit that controls other ppl unit and wins the match Zerg OP😡😡😡 4E toss

[@SquintyGears]

You enjoy watching late game pvz? With nothing happening for 10min... Is it a feeling of nostalgia for WoL earlygame? Nothing going on for the first 10min...

[@carlthegamer9215]

zerg op.

[@josephmcallister2719]

What does lowko mean by fat fingering a hot key

[@lexpavlinov9655]

pushing a wrong key, lack of control and etc

[@Teh_Duck]

fat fingering a key is where your finger either slides off and hits another key, or your finger lands between 2 keys thus messing up what you were trying to do.

[@MostlyUnreadArmchairExpert]

Uh… a Russian against a Ukrainian?

[@elveory]

Ukraine vs Russia is an epic opposition)

[@mrcuba0979]

- 400 400 🤭

[@andelledna]

how the hell is zerg balanced? I've seen so many games and in late game. zerg has 80% chance to win. 95% against protos.

[@Seldomheardabout]

I just realized that your balance patch was for grandmasters who are not the top 5. What a strange perspective to balance a game from. Either you balance for the top players in the world, or you balance for casuals. You don't balance a game for try hard's lol.

[@corentink3887]

na zerg op watever the rank

[@snippao9608]

Unbalance? Talks about a 250 minerals worth zerglings killing a bunch of 500 minerals worth zelots =/ It happens a lot of times in this game

[@alekzanderor5489]

3/3 cracklings vs 3/1 zealots happens a lot in this game)

[@glowyboi7175]

*ITS OFFICIAL... LOWKO is asking for a massive Protoss BUFF!!* 😅🤣😂 "It seems like its balanced around the top 10." Do you not realize there is typically only 1 Protoss in the top 10? Its balanced around all tournament results. PvZ is currently 52% which is pretty good.🤓

[@TheDarkTemplar3791]

You can beat Serral with 100 APM, if every click would be effective. AMP means absolutly nothing in this game.

[@stixinst5791]

I disagree. There was an aI which got really good at protos. They had to hardcap it's APM to make it even remotly beatable (stalkers with perfect mikro beat everything)

[@TheDarkTemplar3791]

@@stixinst5791 Well that could be true, but I was talking in practical way. Take me like a example, I have more APM as a toss than kingCobra and I am a fricking diamond, so apm like it is does not say anything about player skill. Of course, more effective apm means more skill, but no AI can calculate that at all.

[@stixinst5791]

@@TheDarkTemplar3791 just saying that there is a huge difference between 150 and 300 effective apm. And if you ever go above 1500effective apm you win no matter what and who you are fighting (you can split zerglings against tanks, have invincible stalker ball or tank juggle) It is safe to say that effective APM matters a lot, while apm (as reported by the game) may indicate it

[@TheDarkTemplar3791]

@@stixinst5791 It may indicate it, but depends a lot on current playstyle and race, so you cant take it much seriously.

[@senor3187]

Hello Everyone!

[@mrpotterandrew]

Ukraine vs Russia we all know who are we rooting for

[@mrpotterandrew]

dang Russia lost

[@reaper8113]

Day 73 of asking lowko to play Emperor battle for Dune

[@jaredkanju2064]

Neural parasite to op

[@joeymorningstar2114]

dude..u call every game Epic and best game of the year..

[@juztina7346]

11:32 stop talking elsewhere i want to see the muta pheonix fight

[@Th31i0nZ]

Dude please stop with the arrows, so obnoxious