Starfield: Easy Ways Bethesda Could Have Improved Exploration

[@xXDeiviDXx]

Great video, I also wished Bethesda had gone harder with the procedural content in this game, here's some ideas they were lacking: -Implement filters for random POIs so that they don't spawn in the wrong enviroments (for example that agricultural facility, where you can find notes about scientists experimenting with growing plants in low gravity conditions, can spawn in airless or extreme weather planets or high gravity planets, which makes no sense, same with some POIs that have sleeping bags on the outside) -If there was ever a system to make randomized POI interiors, just make them from prefabricated rooms -(Inspired by a mod that I saw on Nexus) Make variants of existing POIs that are occupied by different factions or enemies, change up the decoration wether it's occupied by the UC, Freestar, Crimson Fleet, Va'ruun or taken over by invasive wildlife

[@qqqq-dp4rv]

"Thinking about Starfield while taking crap" This is where the game belongs.

[@ph0759]

This is why I'm still gonna be playing and modding Fallout 4 for ages

[@joshrodgers9366]

Same

[@AnarchoCatBoyEthan]

Super excited about the world building video. It’s one aspect of starfield i havent seen covered enough in the hours of content i’ve seen about this game. It’s disgusting in a lot of ways how lifeless the world is because of simple oversights. it’s like nobody asked “how would this work in the real world” about like 90% of the human society stuff in the game.

[@unclerukmer]

One of the worst self owns BGS made was giving players the sense that Starfield was going to have 1000 plans with NMS style seamless exploration. Once they realized that their engine couldn’t do it they should have designed the game to be more like Mass Effect. You traveled to plants via menus in that game but nobody complained because ME never claimed to be an immersive space RPG. Heck, even the stinking poo pile that is “The Outer Worlds” didn’t have this problem.

[@esquire9479]

Also daggerfall has an open source port with its own mods

[@grayjedi-117]

Finally seeing these numbers its honestly shocking with core these locations are to the experience, how fundamentally flawed and poorly implemented the system is

[@chengong388]

They wasted their time making 210 alien creatures? Who gave a fuck about Alien creatures? I can't remember any of them! From my experience playing through the game it feels like it has WAY less creatures than Skyrim! Voice lines? Yea they probably recorded way more voice liens for all the NPCs in the cities but who's gonna remember any of them?

[@snudu]

daggerfall used procedural generation idk why they have hardly improved it in decades, then again this is the studio that has had most of their games be very buggy and has hardly improved anything

[@wolfwing1]

well they did, there is a reason they moved to hand crafted places, sure they felt cut and pasted at times, but it least was a bit different.

[@z0h33y]

Starfield feels like Daggerfall. The cities are somewhat dense, and confusing, much like Daggerfalls. And when you leave the city youre met with this crappy procedural generation that offers nothing of interest, much like Starfields.

[@wolfwing1]

@@z0h33y yeah that bothered me alot. I love daggerfall, but I remember not going out after finding out how bad it was, Arena had issues with it's procedural generation, but least it had small ittle towns, dungeons, and cool things you could find hehe.

[@wolfwing1]

@@z0h33y hehe so many unity mods trying to fix that.

[@peterd9698]

Yeah I also have been wondering what happened inside Bethesda that this issue was not addressed. Another solution to add to your list: Write it into the story. Have eg an invasion or infestation that begins to dominate the later part of the game. You start finding progressively more charred craters than bases. The feel of the game shifts from exploration to war. Such an idea would of course have to be planned from the beginning.. but the problem should have been obvious before beginning.

[@lv83bloodknight]

Nah, they'd rather break your mods in Skyrim (and prb FO4 too soon) with shitty update instead

[@wolfwing1]

...118 poi places? :> I can't remember more then a dozen. building over gorge, flat cave with ore, flat cave that goes up slightly with ore, cave with turrets and chests. Abandoned factory, abandoned small outpost, mine, abandoned big outpost with animals, and a few spacer places. I've heard it said that as you level more areas spawn, but this seems retarded, I gave up quickly exploring because it was boring, if I ran into a new ara I would assume it was just rare,not because I hit some arbitrary level.

[@machinegod3000]

This POI-Boredom let stop playing Starfield.

[@Browdeh]

Great bideo🫡

[@esquire9479]

100 something studios worked on starfield internationally

[@z0h33y]

Thank you for taking the time to actually play that awful game Starfield.

[@Browdeh]

Fallout 4 superiority 😂✔️

[@shitpostingsandwhich]

Stanfield makes me want to play Destiny 2 and that's really sad.

[@j.r.warren5794]

Improved exploration sounds like a bogus idea to me. Drop the damn NPC's talking incessantly that would improve the game 100%. Jstfu is what I'm thinking every time I play this game. I don't care about Tony. And why in the hell does every guard in New Atlantis want me to do their jobs for them? I go into the gun store and the salesperson won't shut up long enough for me to buy the ammo I want. I want the boring exploration because I can't stand the BS I have to put up with in New Atlantis. I don't want to stop the Terrormorphs from overrunning the city because they're doing a public service.

[@ScuffCs1337]

thank you for the ideas. expect it to arrive on creating club in 5 months

[@wolfwing1]

You just said why there isn't more places, it's the voice acting, it has far more voice acting then skyrim and fallout 4, there is a reason they didn't add voice acting in Morrowind, as they said it would take away money and time that could go to other places, and the sheer amount of text wouldn't make it practical. A big part of why there is less and less text and options in each game. Those thousands of new lines of spoken dialogue and money spent on actors.

[@PancuroniumB]

I doubt there's much overlap between level designers and voice actors that would slow down the level design process, but I agree that mandating full voice acting back in Oblivion was a massive mistake in hindsight. I would have given only the main quest and major faction quests full VO. All the smaller quests could be text based and they could be more experimental and have more choice as a result. But once you commit to full VO once, you can't exactly go back because people would complain about "downgrades". It's a shame. AI voices might solve this problem in the future though, perhaps they'll be used in ES6.

[@wolfwing1]

@@PancuroniumB well the overlap is how much is paid to the actors, plus there is a lot of stuff you can't write or do if it's going to be voice acted. Less characters, and in starfield alot of the voice acting is just saying the same thing in a 10% different way. Plus if say it cost 20 million to do more voice acting then fallout 4, thats 20 million not put into exploration, POI diversity and other things. Maybe even get *gasp* more then 1 melee weapon

[@no01sman]

GTA 6 BABY!!!

[@PancuroniumB]

I can't wait to play it on PC in 2027!

[@matthewrichardson2533]

Egh bro... soory man I'm down to hear how it could be better but something about the snarky hate tone these yters have bugs