Starfield has some truly "Next-Gen" Water Physics

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[@NikTek]

Todd Howard: Starfield is a next-gen PC Game, We really do push the technology so you may need to upgrade your PC for this Game Meanwhile Starfield: Uses the same water engine as Oblivion

[@-ta-1]

people with 4090s struggling to run the game even at 1440p lol

[@davidou6480]

it's a bethesda game of course they don't fucking know what they are doing they just write random shit on keyboard and hope for the best in term of out come lol

[@cyclonous6240]

One guy from IndianGaming subreddit got his 3080 Ti dead after playing Starfield. Todd Howard made sure he upgrades his PC for this game.

[@bakihanma4826]

I can add that to why the game didn't release for ps5

[@mehran4723]

​@@cyclonous6240dude wth😱

[@gothicbump]

If the physics of your game are being compared to "release Cyberpunk 2077" You should know you have done a great job with the game

[@scarfaceReaper]

damn thats going to far😂

[@NikTek]

I see that you level of humor is on par with mine XD

[@gothicbump]

@@NikTek always nice to meet a person who finds amusement in similar things:)

[@GradietPanda12345]

This kid is reaching like crazy 😂😂

[@gtx1650max-q]

​@@NikTekno "you"

[@Ekusupuroshon]

Bethesda pushed the technology off a cliff, and that's how Starfield is made

[@tobytoxd]

Player interactions in Starfield are much simpler because procedural worlds can not be coded as easy as a relatively small Cyberpunk or RDR2 map. Also there is automatically a trade-off: Because of the huge map size or like here in Starfield the high number of over thousands of planets/game environments, the whole collision physics and all other physics simulations and interactions are to be handled differently. The development of game engines like the ones of No Mans Sky, Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen are examples, of why this is very complicated. You cannot compare procedural generated environments/worlds, with fully handcrafted and "normal sized" maps like in RDR2, Cyberpunk, COD Warzone and such.

[@griffina5192]

@@tobytoxdI’m not really understanding that at all. RDR2 has some of the best physics and a huge open world map

[@Andriej69]

@@griffina5192 He's obviously a butthurt bethedrone, he probably copied this comment from somewhere - ignore him and let him seethe

[@tobytoxd]

@@griffina5192 But RDR2 map is entirely handmade. Water physics and player interaction in a game engine with maps including PROCEDURAL GENERATION are always less complex. The maps in Starfield are not entirely handmade and that's the whole point, this video and many people are ignoring. Take a look into development vlogs about that technology and what trade-offs and challenges you have by now, if you use it (e.g. Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen). That whole proc-tech in the code and its implications on collision etc is also the reason, why you can't dive down into the water here in this game.

[@tomongchangco4345]

​@@tobytoxdyou are right, it is PROCEDURALLY GENERATED, meaning they don't need to put man hours in crafting the HUGE open world/space. Therefore, that man hours can be spent probably, just probably doing something else, oh I know, maybe a PROPER water physics perhaps.

[@robertojustus8567]

It sure looks futuristic, If only the game came out like 15/20 years ago

[@DioBrando-qr6ye]

It's a new retrofuturistic genre, it's called "jankpunk"

[@-Ryan_Gasoline-]

You tellin' be this is what a 2007 game looks like, what're you on?

[@robertojustus8567]

@@-Ryan_Gasoline- im on your mom, First of all. Now take a look at what Crysis looks like, thats a 2007 game, and its not that Far off graphically from starfield, the vegetation on Crysis looks beutifull at Max settings, and saying starfield would look futuristic in 2007 is absolutely true, but saying starfield is next gen is Just wrong, i mean the game already came out looking like its at least 2 generations behind, seriously, Gran turismo 6 for the ps3 probably match starfield in levels of graphic quality, thats what a 2013 game? No excuses, and especially considering How poor starfield runs on Morden hardware

[@rileyvosper411]

@@robertojustus8567ok

[@gamer-px5cu]

​@@-Ryan_Gasoline-There are ps3 games that looks better than this.

[@jonathangrant480]

Imagine how satisfying it would been if the planets with different types of gravity had unique water physics.

[@TraceguyRune]

That's exactly how starfield works. Was your comment sarcasm?

[@anotherranger2924]

There's no diving, how can experience water gravity?

[@MarwanMahdy]

there is not a single planet that we know of actually has water though..

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

Planets all have the same gravity well earth has low gravity for some reason others don't even though gravity is determined by mass so most of these planets don't follow any logic and it gets old

[@jessicaheller3076]

​@@LUCAS420BLZ Mass is only one of the ways we know gravity is created

[@Elcapbro]

Todd’s dialogue has become so satirical, it’s almost as if I’m watching a live action starfield NPC when he speaks..

[@Benzin0]

Can't stand his bullshit anymore. Every time I see him now I just think "what lies is he gonna say now?".

[@accelerator8558]

​@@Benzin0tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies (music in the back ground)

[@yipperdeyip]

How about him being a braindead Oblivion NPC and everything he says has the Oblivion meme soundtrack in the background. That's the quintessential Todd for me

[@HeisenbergFam]

Its a tradition to witness Bethesda game in such wild peculiar state

[@technologicalelite8076]

Dude, are you Justin Y. or something?

[@Blazedreptile]

​@@technologicalelite8076that is a blast from the past

[@horusluprical172]

​@@technologicalelite8076I don't remember who or what he does, but his name sounds familiar

[@sarveshyadav01]

​@@horusluprical172he use to comment everywhere.

[@tobytoxd]

Player interactions in Starfield are much simpler because procedural worlds can not be coded as easy as a relatively small Cyberpunk or RDR2 map. Also there is automatically a trade-off: Because of the huge map size or like here in Starfield the high number of over thousands of planets/game environments, the whole collision physics and all other physics simulations and interactions are to be handled differently. The development of game engines like the ones of No Mans Sky, Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen are examples, of why this is very complicated. You cannot compare procedural generated environments/worlds, with fully handcrafted and "normal sized" maps like in RDR2, Cyberpunk, COD Warzone and such.

"Are you sure that's water on that planet? Maybe it's another liquid that not react the same as water" - Bethesda game physics team.

[@fynkozari9271]

I like how cheapest game developers bragging when they are the baddest the worse scum at doing things. Like Watch Dogs 2, remember they said driving was improved. Pfffffffffff, garbage we all know how that turned out. Meanwhile Rockstar doesnt brag about driving. The one who actually done it right.

[@RyuLongRHOG]

​@@fynkozari9271hey, Watchdogs 2 was amazing.

[@Umbe1264]

This is nonewton fluid

[@SuperGeronimo999]

​@@fynkozari9271 R* doesn't brag about driving because its dogshit. You can go like 180 MPH and thats about it. And any car can drive through corners on full speed like its a F1. But sure, its better than Watch Dogs still.

[@crakz5088]

@@fynkozari9271watch dogs 2 driving was indeed better than 1 though

[@lesterbronson2385]

Wow, Starfield and Oblivion’s water physics are just about neck to neck in quality.

[@costanzafaust]

That Oblivion water looked so good ... but things have improved a lot in FIFTEEN YEARS -- and Bioshock was still magnitudes more impressive for the time.

[@accelerator8558]

​@@costanzafaustits bioshock man, Water is the main protagonist there, if that wont work them the game fail

[@UnknownPerson-cq3qv]

Oblivions was way better, plus there alot of environmental little things to find like a skeleton holding a chest or a cool glass helmet. Starfield lacks all the awesome little stuff the previous games had

[@dahui58]

@costanzafaust Bioshock doesn't have water physics really. Rapture is under water but you stay dry for the whole game lol Apart from the very first bit off the plane but you can't swim under the surface and it doesn't feel any different to regular movement

[@NexusKin]

Even Far Cry Instincts Predator had much better-looking water and wave physics, and that came out in 2005.

[@Boxscot49]

I love how starfield literally has an entire world made up of water but couldnt bother to have actual aquatic exploration

[@gg9380]

It's definitely one of the water physics of all time.

[@R3TR0J4N]

i love how the game can handle the physics of 30K objects being dropped, but not water...

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

Not to stumble over mountains but over molehills

[@darviniusb]

A smartphone can do that to.

[@RVPissBoys]

@@darviniusbNo it cannot. I understand you want to clown, but don’t do it facetiously. Explain what phone CPU can handle that.

[@impointr]

@@RVPissBoys Meanwhile, Death Stranding coming to the iPhone 15:

[@youravghuman5231]

​@@RVPissBoysm series chip definitely can. Current mobile chipset aren't like a few years ago, it's more capable to run intensive scenes. Heck even sd8gen2 supports ray tracing now.

[@young5395]

Nothing will beat Rocksteady's water. Gotham City had some of the best looking water in the history of video games. (Edit: I love seeing all the different games you guys are talking about. I definitely forgot about Assassin's Creed. Black Flag had some awesome physics as well.)

[@Bruce_Black]

Also Black flag

[@Thesavagesouls]

Sea of thieves my dude, they put the whole bugget of the game in it, everything else looks ass.

[@anonymous_dot_com2326]

RDR2

[@xDUnPr3diCtabl3]

Also Battlefield 1

[@gothicbump]

and Just Cause 2

[@patrikiosvatemanopoulos]

And we wonder why Rockstar can still milk GTA V....

[@kakarottoyt6405]

i know right. gta 5 is still better than so many current gen games in terms of details including this crap.

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

@@kakarottoyt6405 You can go even further back to gta 4.

[@priyanshusharma1812]

​@@IskenderCaglarM41B441I'd argue 4 is even better than 5

[@antonzhdanov9653]

​@@priyanshusharma1812Yeah, Imo gta5 is dispersed between gta5 and gta online and both finished to be kinda half-done.

[@emma6648]

@@priyanshusharma1812physics yeah and story imo but not the graphics and map size but that’s obvious

[@09SkyFrost]

Many years in development but none of them thought about diving in the water

[@docmars]

Should've included what happens in Tears of the Kingdom when you cliff dive -- water splashes everywhere and continues falling from a high distance. The sound design is amazing alone.

[@sampreethiitkgp7918]

Every time I feel that water physics can't get worse in post pandemic games, they prove me wrong. Edit: Mom I am famous. My first comment with 1k likes

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

If only it was just water physics...

[@user42344]

What pandemic has to do with water physics?

[@Villager_U]

cs2 is the only post pandemic game with realistic water physics

[@zachryder3150]

​@@user42344The time OP started noticing

[@sampreethiitkgp7918]

@@user42344 nah I was just speaking about the games post 2020. So yea post pandemic

[@electricyt5781]

The latest generation of games in a nutshell 😂

[@tobytoxd]

Player interactions in Starfield are much simpler because procedural worlds can not be coded as easy as a relatively small Cyberpunk or RDR2 map. Also there is automatically a trade-off: Because of the huge map size or like here in Starfield the high number of over thousands of planets/game environments, the whole collision physics and all other physics simulations and interactions are to be handled differently. The development of game engines like the ones of No Mans Sky, Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen are examples, of why this is very complicated. You cannot compare procedural generated environments/worlds, with fully handcrafted and "normal sized" maps like in RDR2, Cyberpunk, COD Warzone and such.

[@snapdragons7392]

​@@tobytoxdin that case. I'd rather pick a game where the mas size isn't that big but that map is detailed and have tons of interaction and point of interest (like quest, mini games, shop etc) rather than big map with procedural map generation. but. if they managed to improve that procedural map generation for better. maybe I'll rethink it. this reply only based on my small knowledge and also personal preference. games meant to be enjoyed. and gamers are customer.. i do know. that sometimes "innovations" is just a word. to justify price increase that sometimes followed by quality decline.

[@electricyt5781]

@@tobytoxd Damn bro, i didnt know that it was this deep

[@megakoni1]

@@tobytoxd yes i can. Stop with these bullshit excuses. Standard library assets in unreal engine have better physics

[@fynkozari9271]

I blame Gen z for being too lazy but getting paid very high.

[@betterman2757]

How did they come up with "Jumping while swimming"😂. I guess Todd was right after all when he said Starfied really does push the technology.

[@IceKoldKilla]

It's giving GTA Trilogy: The Defective Edition.

[@monkeytown1239]

makes my very happy to see cyberpunk being used as a GOOD example.

[@seeibe]

It's actually used as a bad example. As in, wow your water physics are even worse than cyberpunk. There's another video on this channel where cyberpunk water physics get absolutely ripped on.

[@ongakuyaro]

nope, its literally saying its worst than the worst game ever

[@priyanshusharma1812]

​@@ongakuyarocyberpunk had pretty bad water physics for a AAA game at launch but it's far from the worst in the current state, in a world full of Saints Row and Redfall, cyberpunk doesn't seem that bad after all

[@The_Man_In_Red]

@@priyanshusharma1812 It's definitely better than a lot of games. Far from the best, far from the worst.

[@larion2336]

@@priyanshusharma1812 Okay but those were less games and more bad jokes.

[@ManjeetKaur-io8dw]

They should put extra details in water physics now but they are going backwards instead

[@maidenless7967]

They did put 16x the detail

[@polluxe8917]

the fact that skyrim water physics is better than starfield is insane

[@tobytoxd]

Player interactions in Starfield are much simpler because procedural worlds can not be coded as easy as a relatively small Cyberpunk or RDR2 map. Also there is automatically a trade-off: Because of the huge map size or like here in Starfield the high number of over thousands of planets/game environments, the whole collision physics and all other physics simulations and interactions are to be handled differently. The development of game engines like the ones of No Mans Sky, Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen are examples, of why this is very complicated. You cannot compare procedural generated environments/worlds, with fully handcrafted and "normal sized" maps like in RDR2, Cyberpunk, COD Warzone and such.

[@polluxe8917]

@@tobytoxd what are you talking about, he's talking about water

[@tobytoxd]

@@polluxe8917 Yes, sure. And i'm talking about water physics and player interaction in a game engine with maps made with procedural generation. The maps in Starfield are not entirely handmade and that's the whole point, this video and many people are ignoring. Take a look into development vlogs about that technology and what trade-offs and challenges you have by now, if you use it. E.g. Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen...

[@Antagon666]

I love how the starfields falling animation is just looped swaying of hands of the main character...

[@charmgrape]

reminds me of the falling animation from GTA San Andreas 😂

[@DankSouls37]

Just like it has been for the last several Bethesda games

[@gersongaete1574]

even gta san andreas 19 years ago had you falling and screaming

[@hyper0505]

Yeah, reminds me with GTA SA where Carl jump off the building and then say "Owh, shit" 😂

[@kenz2756]

Wait how is it handled otherwise usually?

[@MrWeird-gj5dm]

Does Todd knows what the f**k is he talking about?

[@Experiment1233-d7h]

WOW Starfield is truly a level up from everything, I don’t think my pc will be able to run it !!!

[@michasmarzewski3670]

stupid bot detected.

[@Experiment1233-d7h]

@@michasmarzewski3670 I’m being ironic.

[@kodemasterx]

I find it incredible that Crysis is nearly 16 years old and very few games now days can match its water FX...

[@ChrisStoneinator]

Crysis is nearly 16 years old actually!

[@senerhayat]

That I agree.

[@kodemasterx]

@@ChrisStoneinator Correct, I got the numbers wrong LOL which makes it worse for games with flat textures as water now days, 16-year-old kid should be finishing high school by now...

[@AyataHiragi]

Theres a VR Mod for crysis now!

[@tobytoxd]

Player interactions in Starfield are much simpler because procedural worlds can not be coded as easy as a relatively small Cyberpunk or RDR2 map. Also there is automatically a trade-off: Because of the huge map size or like here in Starfield the high number of over thousands of planets/game environments, the whole collision physics and all other physics simulations and interactions are to be handled differently. The development of game engines like the ones of No Mans Sky, Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen are examples, of why this is very complicated. You cannot compare procedural generated environments/worlds, with fully handcrafted and "normal sized" maps like in RDR2, Cyberpunk, COD Warzone and such.

[@robboss204]

Skyrim had more realistic water physics then starfield and that says something

[@simonrockstream]

jesus christ... you are actually correct. I didnt even think about it..

[@KrakenX07]

oh my ;-;

[@tobytoxd]

Player interactions in Starfield are much simpler because procedural worlds can not be coded as easy as a relatively small Cyberpunk or RDR2 map. Also there is automatically a trade-off: Because of the huge map size or like here in Starfield the high number of over thousands of planets/game environments, the whole collision physics and all other physics simulations and interactions are to be handled differently. The development of game engines like the ones of No Mans Sky, Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen are examples, of why this is very complicated. You cannot compare procedural generated environments/worlds, with fully handcrafted and "normal sized" maps like in RDR2, Cyberpunk, COD Warzone and such.

[@haseebhassan6955]

​@@tobytoxdstop commenting this bs u der every comment todd, We know it's you

[@shadesoftime]

​@@tobytoxdyou just said a lot of barely coherent jibberish, so I think its you who doesn't understand much about software engineering

[@G11-o7s]

They didn't even bother to recycle skyrim waterfalls lol.

[@Cyberk_]

Do you want the waterfall to go upwards or something? 😂

[@kenz2756]

Skyrim doesn't have water physics either. And I do believe there is a waterfall in Sarah's crash site, but just because it's a waterfall doesn't mean it has water physics.

[@mrziggy0]

It is going to take years for other developers to match this level of detail. Truly breathtaking 😂

[@hhmaniak]

U can swim in Cyberpunk , I didnt know that lmao

[@zRedPlays]

0:34 Default cube -Add Noise texture detail 15.00 and roughness .750 -Plug Noise into color ramp, brown-yellowish color on the left and dark brown on the right, bring them closer in the middle -Plug Color Ramp output in Principled BSDF Base Color and roughness -Set Specular, Clearcoat, Clearcoat roughness to 1 -Done

[@donflamingo795]

I see you are a default cube enjoyer as well.

[@zRedPlays]

@@donflamingo795 Indeed

[@arky1790]

In English next time?

[@donflamingo795]

@@arky1790 that was in English. But I suppose non 3d artist can't figure out what he was saying. If you learn 3d, you'll understand everything he said.

[@PlayerOblivion]

Thanks I now have the skills to make it as an artist at Bethesda.

[@raven679-m3i]

12tflops of power! Phil spencer in 2020:"with that number your dreams can come true"

[@rulingmoss5599]

No games

[@raven679-m3i]

@@rulingmoss5599 ps5>shitbox

[@ElvisChibundu]

People will still defend this shit... anyway

[@Paryoma]

Truly A Next-Gen Game.

[@sxshha]

Worthy opponent for Cyberpunk lol

[@SomeElyGuy]

Euphoria remains one of the best physics engines ever made and it's use in GTA IV is great

[@yomo68]

Don't forget Cryengine for Crysis

[@memespeech]

GTA 4 was a buggy, very unoptimized game, that still runs poorly on anything, but it is better in some ways than 5. Crysis was great in terms of clutter, destructibility, effects, physics, it has set a new standard in visuals.

[@SuperGeronimo999]

ran just fine on PS3 for me@@memespeech

[@sicariodu9546]

@@memespeech Compared to starfield gta 4 run great lmao. I didn't lose 4 hours of game playing gta 4 but starfield in the other end? You need to save your agme every 15 min lol.

[@kenz2756]

​@@sicariodu9546Tf? The game is not that buggy. Then again I used an SSD which is apparently a requirement and without it the game would stutter badly, audio would cut off.

[@hypocrisy5336]

Unbelievable, this game makes Cyberpunk look great!

[@shafeekabdool3466]

Because cyberpunk is great and a masterpiece

[@omegalilbchass8270]

thats because cyberpunk IS great tf?

[@rulingmoss5599]

LOL cyberpunk and "masterpiece" dont go together. Boring FPS with tiny uninteresting world.

[@angryjoe98]

Cyberpunk was broken as fuck and lacked any water physics for nearly a year.

[@arig589]

​@@rulingmoss5599you never played it

[@duif10]

The fact that you compared Starfield to Cyberpunk 2077 specifically makes it look worse for starfield

[@ChristopherGamington]

And Cyberpunk has some truly next-gen space physics!

[@deathloop935]

Cyberpunk push the next gen level - the open world Details is crazy. Starfield - same old engine aka fallout

[@prithviraj6869]

Where the heck is all the processing power required by this game going?

[@an_otherwanderer]

Your PC's will to live after running this sad excuse of a game...

[@dammaguy1286]

@@an_otherwandererlol

[@harakat6665]

Mining cryptocurrency

[@oskarnone5288]

In inefficient code

[@panzershrek7942]

Goes in potato's physics.

[@Aeonshard]

I don't understand why they did this. They already had the Water animations in Fallout and skyrim ffs..

[@hermitcard4494]

10+ yeas ago: Skyrim is SO AMAZING! Cant wait to 10+ to see what can Bethesda do with future technology. 10+ ... StarField.

[@KrakenX07]

Lmaoo

[@ДарийФедореев-э7т]

you're talking like skyrim was any less broken. fallout 4 was broken, fallout 76 was broken asf... it's just good old bethesda

[@gersongaete1574]

@@ДарийФедореев-э7т skyrim was broken, but it was 2011, fallout 4 was broken and it got universally mocked at launch and still is considered a bad fallout 4 and a pretty bad game overall. Starfield has no business being this bad with ancient technology in 2023, while being probably the second most demanding game out there? maybe first because it literally cannot run on anything other than a SSD. Maybe jedi survivor runs worse but that one at least runs on HDDs.

[@ДарийФедореев-э7т]

@@gersongaete1574 I wouldn't say F4 is bad. It's a bad Fallout, but a pretty good game in general, though nothing exceptional. I just want to say that Bethesda doesn't make polished games, and only people who expected Starfield to be polished are either MS fanboys, newbies or just very very naive. And I would say it's the second unoptimized game, right after TLoU. Jedi Survivor isn't that bad in terms of optimization.

[@AyataHiragi]

I never understood the skyrim hype, I found it rather boring, everything felt outdated including the combat, especially the graphics, only with mods was it fun later on.

[@ColeZero]

I love how they preserve the past! Same water ripple shader from Morrowind

[@g.ssilvester5610]

All studios are evolving into super saiyans , BUT BACKWARD

[@n0_s0ul96]

My fav "Next-Gen" thing about this game is the Oblivious performance + how people are giving this game a 10/10 for some unknown reason. Jeez I ran into the same "Abandoned" Whatever with the same exact placement of every single item and enemy 7 times in 7 places I visited. Truly this is beyond Next-gen

[@CC-ud4wu]

I really want to love this game but no one can tell me it deserves more than a 7/10.

[@Giljrg]

10/10 from me my most enjoyable story game ever. 🎉

[@bad_to_the_bone4431]

People give it 10/10 because it makes them sit in their chair for 10 hours. Bethesda games have that something, even though they are far from perfect.

[@n0_s0ul96]

@bad_to_the_bone4431 That's like saying that doing Excel spreadsheets for 12 hours a day is amazing content to get yourself into. Just because it takes your time, doesnt mean its good, not at all

[@motan7864]

I'm replaying Witcher 3 with Next Gen update right now... just WOW. If the game released tomorrow like this, it would be a huge world wide hit no question. Now compare that to SF... 😂😂

[@mooncrow2447]

This is yet another Cyberpunk situation of "we will fix it later" 👀

[@Greglaz125]

I like how there's just one animation when you fall in Starfield.Moving hands and shoulders LOL.That's all his parents ever taught him.

[@offspringfan89]

lmao

[@rodguy35]

You were literally the dude complaining about cp77 physics when it came out

[@MarmotOven]

Roblox water has screenspace reflections. This one doesn't. Life is Roblox.

[@saiaungmoekyaw6555]

💀💀💀💀💀💀this game is awesome..........may be in like 5 years 🙂thank to Modders

[@SekiRAW]

Truly next gen water physics, we are truly blessed by Todd Howard who gave us 16 times the details spanning multiple dimenstions that our 3rd dimension eyes cannot perceive

[@minhnguyennhat9556]

You study about dimensions, cosmic, spirituals... too?

[@The_Man_In_Red]

So THAT'S why performance is so butt. Starfield renders fidelity we can't even see without a 4D GPU. Makes total sense now 🙃

[@tobytoxd]

Player interactions in Starfield are much simpler because procedural worlds can not be coded as easy as a relatively small Cyberpunk or RDR2 map. Also there is automatically a trade-off: Because of the huge map size or like here in Starfield the high number of over thousands of planets/game environments, the whole collision physics and all other physics simulations and interactions are to be handled differently. The development of game engines like the ones of No Mans Sky, Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen are examples, of why this is very complicated. You cannot compare procedural generated environments/worlds, with fully handcrafted and "normal sized" maps like in RDR2, Cyberpunk, COD Warzone and such.

[@lexxlexx9710]

@@tobytoxd Then it makes no sense to implement something like this while all that can be achieved is barren wastelands and pretty much nothing else

[@Legion849]

​@@lexxlexx9710Don't bother he's a spam bot.

[@saadazmi5625]

This is why I want rockstar to take as much time they want. Dont be hasty,I can wait for it to release well optimize

[@dammaguy1286]

although you are right but starfield had alot of time to be a perfect game and they still managed to F it up somehow. they just don't care anymore....but i still have faith in rockstar they always release masterpieces and if gta 6 is also an unoptimised crap....well then im quitting gaming.

[@KasunSL03]

​@@dammaguy1286 that's our last hope man😢

[@rapatouille]

we'd be in the same boat lol

[@Sevastous]

@@dammaguy1286 "always release masterpieces" GTA Trilogy, GTA Online... The handling of these games makes it sure to me that next game will be like these ones. RDR2 was in development for 9 years and actively begun in early 2010's. This is a title from early 2020's... good luck with that

[@coffee7180]

@@dammaguy1286 choice the game is about choice, something you don't find in red dead 2.

[@FishteStank]

40 hours into starfield I don't think I regret a single other game purchase more.

[@angryvaultguy]

"16 times the detail"

[@john_paul]

"DO NOT PRE-ORDER GAMES!" - TotalBiscuit (2012 - 2016)

[@ummerfarooq5383]

1 million people preordered

[@angryjoe98]

The game works fine i agree with you because its in game pass so it stupid to pre order but the game is full functional and very sold water doesn’t play into anything in this game at all so its fucking stupid it base a games quality on it.

[@manthanbhende]

Every time community finds this type of flaws in game I can hear Todd haward yelling '' 16 TIMES THE DETAILS ''

[@CarParts08382]

Even 8-bit 'Super Mario Bros.' let you swim underwater. 😬

[@NexusKin]

"Super Mario 64" from 1996 had much better water physics and undersea exploration than this.

[@Forest762]

@@NexusKin "It just works"

[@TegridyMadeGames]

is a flat mesh with a water shader "physics"

[@Tomiply]

Heck, in Tears of the Kingdom, a ton of water splashes up when you jump from a high place, making a pretty cool effect.

[@XCraftllc]

For reals, they have some work to do. Keep in mind Cyberpunk released with terrible water as well. I still can't believe RDR2 is the standard 5 years later.

[@simonrockstream]

RDR2 will be the standard until RDR3. Nobody is trying to compete with Rockstar, nobody has the money, talent or resources to compete with them.

[@DrFudge-ky5ub]

@@simonrockstreamThey do, they just won’t, for profit

[@eluniarr]

​@@simonrockstreamit'll be gta 6 next before rdr 3 launches

[@kenz2756]

​@@DrFudge-ky5ubYeah I think you're giving devs way too much credit, doubt they all have a similar skillset. RDR2 surpasses most technical standard games have. The animation blending, the euphoria physics, the water physics, the graphics, and on top of that how they managed to optimize it altogether. Course, if you're only talking about the storytelling that's a different thing altogether.

[@kenz2756]

Sure, but I doubt they can do anything about it here. No Bethesda games ever had water physics. And as someone who use hundreds of mods repeatedly, I've not been able to procure one which add water physics in Skyrim nor Fallout. All in all i guess it may be an engine limitation.

Behold a next gen game!! So futuristic and impressive.

[@hudson8954]

impressive how good gta 4 looks after all these years

[@pw6002]

I love it when studios tell their customers to upgrade their PCs, instead of putting effort in coding their games right… Really, really, reaaaaallllly love it …

[@mr.libluckiestinfinitebene2589]

RDR2 the game was 5 years ago and still can run with gtx 1070 and still achieve around 30 FPS, plus FSR 3.0 will achieve around 100 FPS

[@gersongaete1574]

meanwhile that gets you around 15fps in starfield

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

Generic trashes become more and more common everyday. Old games for the way!

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

@@bambidesu826 I try to finish my favorite nes games nowadays. And I am having more fun than I thought.

[@PlaystationThree60]

For the way!

[@DEG22]

Man I am happy I didn’t pre-order.

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

I can't wait to see what they going to do with tes6.

[@Cyberk_]

Because... water?

[@MakeYourVision]

​@@Cyberk_because all parts of a game is a "water".

[@Cyberk_]

@@MakeYourVision how? Volii (Neon planet) is the only water planet I know lol

[@WizG.]

@@Cyberk_ They dont actually play the game 😂 They just wanna be on the hate train and D-ride

[@zacharypump5910]

Comparing Starfield's engine to Cyberpunk's is akin to comparing my Toyota Prius to the Starship Enterprise ...

[@lominero5]

Todd Howard pushes his lies, might have to upgrade my believe

[@eeka_droid]

Wow this water provides a really "immersive" experience

[@gibzrival1565]

Rockstar's physics are top-tier

[@michasmarzewski3670]

not even close.

[@Sybertek]

Wow, different planets sure have straaaange physics.

[@mukkah]

Bruv, those were some pretty impressive comparison choices. Having fun in Starfield myself, but yea, there's a lot to gripe about, legitimately. And I'm playing via gamepass, if I paid a full 80$CDN + tax (100$+) I'd be pretty pissed with this game I think lmfao XD

[@kushagrachaturvedy2821]

Bethesda: ahhh you see that’s alien water. Its different from regular water

[@Phoschan]

I have always believed that the "Next Gen games" can overcome water physics since its "next-gen" However, I expect too much.. that it ruins the game! until this day AC: Black Flag has the best Water physics I can ever imagine and that game was 10 years ago!

[@harrysingh23116]

bethesda really launched an unfinished game this time.

[@ActionBrother]

Starfield is basically the release of Cyberpunk again. The only difference is that Starfield didn't release on old gen, hence not such a big backlash as with Cyberpunk.

[@viper6194]

I don't know what you smoked, but Star Field is literally "THE OLD GEN", not that different from fallout 4. Cyberpunk alpha already looks much better than starfield. There's no comparison.

[@ActionBrother]

@@viper6194 Where do I say that it isn't "the old gen"?! I was only talking about the release. If starfield was also released on old gen consoles then there would have been a lot more issues and angry people. I completely agree with you. It's terrible how they keep reusing this old engine. And yes the graphics are ok, but not amazing, definitely not for the fps you get on good hardware. Howard should be ashamed of his statement against the PC community. "It is optimised, you might need to upgrade." Yeah right, even the dude with an AMD Ryzen 9 7950x and an RTX 4090 has issues!

[@viper6194]

@@ActionBrother Sorry, I read it too quickly and misinterpreted it. Just tired of people babbling about cyberpunk, while games like starfield have so many problems and manage to get away with it. And yes man, it's absurd that a game with this graphics has problems running on high-end PCs. I do think Cyberpunk, despite the bugs and problems, is still one of the best looking games. And even on an entry-level GPU like an RTX3060, the game already looks very beautiful...

[@JustinsGarage]

Comparing it to cyberpunk is such a jab.

[@leasnandco]

They think RaY tRaCing fixes everything.. ,Old games had to actually put effort into the FX

[@harrycake9407]

Weird how they didn't program this into their physics. Like their physics on movable objects is actually pretty awesome.

[@gersongaete1574]

because thats the only thing with physics. Objects, water doesnt have physics, characters have the worst ragdolls ever, and movement is just a preset animation, thats why you can stand on the edge of a cliff with one leg in the air and still be perfectly balanced. The physics in the game quite a gimmick tho, its just for moving objects around, but all the other gameplay mechanics have no use for physics. When you hit enemies its just a preset hurt animation, when you climb a cliff its just a preset animation, and not your character having balance issues or having to slow down to not trip over rocks. Check how death stranding handles movement and thats what you should expect starfield to be like, you know, if it had a competent engine.

[@tobytoxd]

Player interactions in Starfield are much simpler because procedural worlds can not be coded as easy as a relatively small Cyberpunk or RDR2 map. Also there is automatically a trade-off: Because of the huge map size or like here in Starfield the high number of over thousands of planets/game environments, the whole collision physics and all other physics simulations and interactions are to be handled differently. The development of game engines like the ones of No Mans Sky, Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen are examples, of why this is very complicated. You cannot compare procedural generated environments/worlds, with fully handcrafted and "normal sized" maps like in RDR2, Cyberpunk, COD Warzone and such.

[@larion2336]

@@tobytoxd Why are you posting this toss everywhere? It's not relevant to the topic at all.

[@tobytoxd]

@@larion2336 For sure, it is super relevant. And this video is just unitelligent, uneducated and wrong. Water physics and player interaction in a game engine with maps including PROCEDURAL GENERATION are always less complex. The maps in Starfield are not entirely handmade and that's the whole point, this video and all you guys are ignoring. Take a look into development vlogs about that technology and what trade-offs and challenges you have by now, if you use it - E.g. Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen. That whole procedural tech in the code and its implications on collision etc is also the reason, why you can't dive down into the water.

[@kishaloyb.7937]

@@gersongaete1574 Starfield, RDR2 and Death Stranding all have varying degree of inverse kinematics. That's the thing you're describing in your long as paragraph. It's just DS and RDR2 pushes it to it's absolute limit for the sake of realism. Where as Starfield uses it in limited amount to keep the gamey feel and not make the game tedious. We all saw how people complained about how RDR2 and DS is just too realistic to the point that just playing them, tires out the player. All the 3 games are being run on different competent engines which were specifically modified and upgraded for their respective games.

[@5-Consecutive-Hairpin-Turns]

even no man's sky had better water physics

[@itsbegula1745]

the game looks absolutely amazing and very realistic for the time of its release, if it came out in 2012 or something of course

[@-Ryan_Gasoline-]

A 2012 game does not look like this my guy, this dude is purposefully placing his settings on low, my game play does not look like this.

[@itsbegula1745]

@@-Ryan_Gasoline- let's talk about gta 5 for a second which came out in 2013, similar graphics of gta 5 on ultra to this on ultra, except gta 5 is optimized better and has better physics, after that rdr2 came out like 5 years before this, has a lot better graphics than this, a lot better physics, optimized a lot better and also has more detail, not saying starfield is shit, but focusing on visuals and performance, its not shit but it's not decent either

[@boomdaddymaxwell]

​@Loner_sdalger it may not look like this, but it certainly plays like it

[@mr.j9749]

the nade equip and throw sounded exactly like FO4 🤣

[@SKULLTHEWIZARD]

Can't go under water in STARFEILD but you can in Fallout 76

[@JohnJohnson-ps3pd]

Starfield is Skyrim in space. Bethesda used to be known as THE innovative game company, but now. They are a joke, a shadow of their former selves

[@and-168]

Some Elden Ring shit

[@Just_A_Random_Desk]

​@@and-168Isn't Elden Ring good tho?

[@and-168]

@@Just_A_Random_Desk siryessir

[@Just_A_Random_Desk]

@@and-168 hm might have to try it

[@NexusKin]

Not only is it just Elder Scrolls in space, but it's also just Fallout in space as well.

[@Nightleader]

My guess on why the water physics aren't that good is because i think new Atlantis and neon are the only 2 places where you actually encounter it.

[@princemehta1443]

yeah and some other games we encounter water in ocean , river and pools , so I guess 3 vs 2 some kind of a calculation

[@CubiCNooBiC]

You are the reason we have "AAA" games like that because you keep buying that shit. You deserve this.

[@2rotten4you]

terrible take but okay

[@CubiCNooBiC]

@@2rotten4you What is terrible about it? all you had to do is to wait ~1 day after release and watch gameplay from youtuber that you trust, and then when you see that "quality" you don't buy the game, it will take strength and dedication but its for the greater good. If you do it for ~3 big titles they will lose a lot of money and will have to rethink it. By 'you' I mean all the "gamers" who pay to be beta testers for AAA games. *Be the change you want to see in the world!*

[@RandomlyDrumming]

0:00 With all the music and the tension from jumping off a high cliff, I feel there should've been a fart sound effect when he hit the water.

[@aydingharehbaghian7923]

If u think the physics are bad in starfield u have to see no man's sky physics lol

[@zenova9926]

The fact that the steam ratings is not sitting at overwhelmingly negative is insane

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

It's not? How?!!

[@seeibe]

​@IskenderCaglarM41B441 It's a Bethesda style rpg, it looks acceptable, sound design is good, and it's somewhat playable. There's not really any alternatives if you want a new game in this style. If Bethesda had any competition whatsoever this game would be a flop.

[@MartinzW]

Marketing and hype go hand in hand contributing to ratings. CP2077 was less buggy (aside from last gen consoles) than SF on launch, yet CP2077 to this day gets a lot of backlash while Starfield gets very little. In fact, CP had fewer bugged out quests than Elden Ring which by default is not proper story driven game. And I believe it has to do with expectation management. CDPR marketed CP2077 so much even through delays, expectations were through the sky. Bethesda barely marketed by comparison and they had history of shitty releases so expectations were much more within reason. In short, ratings will never be objective and you should go by your own experience

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

@@seeibe There was...what was that name...outer worlds or something. Idk man if you searched you would find it. Bethesda rpg's are not unmatched are they?

[@WizG.]

Because they actually play the game and not cry about water physics on one planet.

[@GhostLinx]

water is pretty scarce in starfeild ,makes sense not to make the physics on par with other games also if you look at the fact that some planets have bodies of water procedurally generated,rendering /generating the bottom of the sea/pond would be very demanding performance wise , and for immersion they would have to make underwater aliens like subnautica... they could have made underwater very easily there are reasons they did not

[@pfnieks]

It's hard to understand for people that when you make a game, especially one huge in scope you have to sacrifice certain aspects that are less important. Even the nitpicking about the meaning of next-gen is silly. It simply mean that it couldn't be done with previous gen hw, which is the case with this game.

[@kenz2756]

Don't know why people expect anything different in a Bethesda game. If you want a Bethesda game that's what you'll get. And I do like this game, I pirated it. I guarantee you the new TES will have the same lack of depth present in all Bethesda game.

[@m.b2948]

​@@kenz2756yea you clearly have never developed a game before lmao.

[@kenz2756]

@@m.b2948 Weird strawman

[@jesuschristislord77733]

I'm not mad at Bethesda at this point. I blame the simps that support them.

[@TakumisBizarreRacingAdventure]

True words. Todd my man is just a hustler. Not his fault people buy these games.

[@dsagent]

Imagine being so bad you make people forget about cyberpunk.

[@ColoqueNombreAqui]

That's the most water water that I've seen in my liquid life and I'm more than 66% made of water, so my word matters 😎💦

[@r1yo1]

CS2 has better looking water physics than Starfield 💀

[@spoondude2025]

Now test it against CS2 water physics

[@RobertMartino98]

I love how cyberbug is being used a polished reference🤣

[@beardedbarnstormer9577]

Im glad people are starting to see how phoned in starfield was from a tech and gameplay perspwctive. Im worried about tes6

[@williamsblackie]

this game broke all the laws of animation and physics.....i have seen what to show my teachers, when they say no studios wont accept your animation reel

[@erwinsan4746]

The water jumping thing makes me feel that I am playing an old platformer game