Starminer - This Game is Pushing The Envelope...

[@teresmajor7956]

I'm not much of a combat guy, so whenever a game focuses on industry and trading, i'm all for it. Especially if its space. This looks ace!

[@trized9742]

Do you have any recommendations? I am trying to find and try new games that focus on trading. One of those games that I found is Vagrus and Ostranauts.

[@dylansmith6320]

​@@trized9742 I'd say give X4 a try. It has a dynamic sandbox universe where you build an empire by trading and mining. There's also some combat, but you can be friends with everyone and avoid hostile areas to focus on mining, manufacturing, and trade. It's a bit hard to get into, but definitely one of the better games I've ever played once past the learning curve

[@JohnWaclawski]

Great review. I have it on my wishlist and look forward to seeing more about it. Hard to believe only 2 guys are working on this. Thanks!

[@SirStefanGaming]

Thank you! I recently learned they now have 4 people total so I'll update that in the next Starminer video

[@Crimnox_Cinder]

A good combination of eve online, elite dangerous, and space engineers? Count me the hell in.

[@Anvilshock]

Certainly the UI seems a lot more refined than that clunky, cheap, low-res SE garbage

[@mynameisray]

it is literally a combination of none of those things..

[@Crimnox_Cinder]

@@mynameisray then maybe you need to get your eyes checked?

[@fennoman9241]

How tf is this anything like space engineers.

[@Crimnox_Cinder]

@@fennoman9241 creation of ships piece by piece in order to harvest more minerals to build bigger ships/stations in space. That is a core loop in space engineers, at least when I play survival it is.

[@jful]

Added to the wishlist. Love resource gathering and supply chain games. Also love space ships and sci-fi. This looks like it ticks a lot of boxes for sure!

[@DarrenMalin]

I am looking forward to this one. Thank you for bring it to my attention :)

[@PromethorYT]

That game looks awesome if it delivers! I'm playing DeltaV - Rings of Saturn lately for my mining craving haha.

[@HansKuloss]

great game indeed

[@justinpeterson7246]

Solid buy. Thanks for the video!

[@SirStefanGaming]

Thanks for watching!

[@sergeigen1]

looks cool! i love the visual design of the models

[@slayer1561]

As someone who enjoyed mining in EVE, this looks like so much fun, already wishlisted and just waiting for release!

[@SirStefanGaming]

Same! I'm really curious to see how well mining connects with the ship/station expansion part.

[@Aaronemmanuel-27]

elite dangerous mining coming to life

[@sladernom]

I've had my eyes on this game since its announcement, fingers crossed for it who knows, maybe we get 3d rings of saturn

[@SirStefanGaming]

That would be a cool sight to see

[@Howdoyoupurr]

The idea of the game itself is a winner.

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

Looks like ∆V (Delta V) as a 3D game + some X-series shennanigans (eg X4)

[@rene2778]

I played the alpha a year or two ago, it's a real fun game. Can't wait for it to come out.

[@SirStefanGaming]

What do you think of the progress made between you playing the alpha and what you're seeing now? Just on a global level because I understand there's a big difference between looking at something and actually playing it...

[@rene2778]

@@SirStefanGaming From what I have seen of their latest announcements, not much has changed. They had a long period of silence , changed publisher and name and that seems to be it. Other than a CTD when a mining bay bugged out and a lack of save options, the Alpha was a fun sandbox experience. If they add ( alien ) worlds more alien factions, then it'll be a fun little game to pick up IMO. In the vid you mentioned auto pilot, there wasn't anything like it in the Alpha, you had to plan the course and control all your ships/ space stations manually.

[@scottparker6051]

cant wait to see how the modding community desgins the ships / stations

[@SirStefanGaming]

fyi; so far there has been no information on mod support yet (or if that will be the case at some point)

[@Influfferious]

So its basically 3D DeltaV, neat

[@mortalwombat5036]

I just got here, but I'm liking this guy alot ❤

[@SirStefanGaming]

Awh thanks man, right back at you! You made my Monday a better day :)

[@BillyOrBobbyOrSomething]

I’m almost exclusively into realistic space games lately (KSP, Juno, Flight of Nova etc etc) but this one excites me because it actually has a focus instead of trying to be some sort of over-ambitious “everything” game

[@stormquiver]

this looks phenomenal. wishlisted! insta-buy!

[@johnterpack3940]

That's how mining works in Elite: Dangerous. Actually, E:D has three different ways you can mine. This seems kind of superficial for a game centered entirely on mining. Why did they have to add combat? Why do devs continue to think all gamers want to kill people for fun?

[@jonathanrossroberts]

Great video!

[@SirStefanGaming]

@@jonathanrossroberts Thanks man, appreciate it!

[@27hund1]

I am looking forward to this game.

[@RamzaBehoulve]

Enjoying Stellaris a lot lately. Will check k this out, thanks.

[@GAMERRAZUMNO]

Looks like Celestial Command but if they didn't abandon their game and did continuously update their game

[@Sir_Scuttles]

If you like this you'd probably also be interested in Avorion, which you can play with friends

[@lucretia83]

I need this game, ASAP!

[@thekatjon20]

Avorion. Avorion already does this and much more.

[@babybirdhome]

This looks like at least a prettier Avorion. That game was amazing, but it would be so much cooler with a bit more detail across the board, from graphics to mechanics and things to do within the game mechanics. This looks quite promising! Definitely going to give it a go.

[@dumaskhan]

This looks interesting.i wonder how they will deal with the more cumbersome aspect of the systems and mechanics in the game.

[@SirStefanGaming]

Exactly! Very interested to see how much will be micromanaging vs. some form of automation

[@adameaan783]

Amazing details of objects. I hope the game is MOD FRIENDLY, with mod tool.

[@SirStefanGaming]

We'll have to see! Do you have any specific themes or designs in mind you're thinking of working on?

[@misakitten8835]

excited to try this!

[@jplayer073]

This looks incredible.

[@SirStefanGaming]

I know right?! Now we'll have to find out if it plays the same way :)

[@albusvoltavern4500]

Glad to see the Stellaris lore expanding

[@mhk9131]

This has nothing to do with stellaris, the developers are not even the same, they are just helping publishing it

[@micaheiber1419]

@@mhk9131 Humor is not your strong suit is it

[@mhk9131]

@@micaheiber1419 doesnt seem like it, I dont get it

[@renaldoawes2210]

@@mhk9131 The joke is funny because it's blatantly false information but also fully possible that it's in Stellaris lore due to the multiverse aspects of the psionic pathway having their own multiverse arc in the game.

[@mhk9131]

@@renaldoawes2210 aaaaaah lol I get it now 😅

[@Floki3030]

this looks great, thank you

[@krellin]

homeworld 3 disaster really opens up some opportunities for good space games

[@manum8170]

Digging a hole? Let's GOOOOO

[@MrHydenSeek]

Looks gorgeous.

[@SirStefanGaming]

@@MrHydenSeek It really does! I can't wait to play it in 4k

[@WFKO.]

YESSS finally another game where ship won´t stop middle of space because you turn thrust off!

[@Snerdles]

What do you mean, space isn't made out of jello?

[@cwarky7325]

Try play master modes recently introduced to Star Citizen... Apparently it is 😢 @@Snerdles

[@tehmace]

FYI The discord link in the video description appears to be going to another server, not the Starminer one

[@SirStefanGaming]

Thanks for the heads-up! Fixed it!

[@therealbahamut]

A two-man dev team? I've seen some absolutely amazing one-man games in recent years; should be incredible what one person can do with a little help.

[@SirStefanGaming]

Agreed

[@Tentacl]

This looks pretty cool... and doesn't cost 630 dollars like the Arrastra in Star Citizen xD

[@jful]

The Arrastra does look pretty cool

[@miguelmartins5968]

You can get the ship by playing like everyone has carrack bought with auec(the game currency) today also this ship is very big so is useless buy it only for you if you don't have a crew but yeah if you don't have crew to control big ship in SC, big ship focused game will let still better than waste 630 dollars I agree with you

[@mhk9131]

What a dumb comparison, two completely different games and scopes lol

[@Tentacl]

@@mhk9131 Hur dur dumb lol

[@troyrarehale2517]

Nothing like doing an unpaid job after work. 3:00 You would think with all that technology scanner would work 1000s of kilometers from the targets, I guess scanners and radar are relics from the past. Dev's really know how to make something unfun.

[@SirStefanGaming]

Yeah you'd think that :) I've experienced similar thoughts looking at the "NASA-punk" design in Starfield. But then again it's hard for devs in general to find and keep the delicate balance between what is "realistic" or believable and fun & rewarding gameplay. We'll see what happens, I mean it's early access and they have more than enough time to look at any adjustments based on playerbase feedback. They could always implement a researchable tech that unlocks an upgraded scanner module that allows for a better ranged and AoE scan function instead of close range targeted.

[@dai-katana]

Did I heard it right? EVE online has no such depth in mining as this game? :D It was years ago since I stopped my casual EVE failing after 1500h in it, but mining is by no means an simple task in it. Especially considering it is social activity and usually involves other industrial stuff like planets, production, logistics etc. Coordinated fleets. It is all twisted and mingled together. This game is definitely going in my wish list/cart. It just the way you compared it to EVE just shocked me :D

[@SirStefanGaming]

For context; I did my fair share of EVE mining ops in both high, low and null sec so I'm not completely pulling rabbits out of my high hat when saying that ;) Just meant as a friendly reply and not to start an argument but I like your point(s): yeah I do think the act of mining itself in EVE is pretty straight forward. You target a rock, right-click approach target, activate your module and that's all you have to do to collect ore. You don't have to scan every asteroid, you don't have to maneuver your ship into the best spot (just get into range), you CAN choose specialized mining lasers (say your T2 Arkonor ones) but then you also don't have to manage haulers getting ore back to your ship (your cargo hold is instantly filled). Sure, if you do it in a large group then you can start multi-tasking but with a multiplayer mode mentioned for Starminer, that could also be the case for this game in the future. Other industrial stuff like planets, production, logistics ect technically isn't mining, that's simply more supply chain activities. Starminer will also require logistics, production planning and, but this is me reading between the lines, probably a lot of coordination between different mining locations/sectors. I mean no ill will towards EVE, loved playing it when I had time for it in my life (because 1 hour in EVE is getting you nowhere lol) but I do stand behind saying that mining in EVE and mining in Starminer are two very different processes.

[@Neuroszima]

Let's be real EVE online is just A point and click type of game. You rarely have to account for other factors. And ore processing? Ok you can say that skills are involved but that's just about it. And you mostly want to be in nullsec to actually be able to get better processing facility that is stationary.

[@coolandgoodgames3281]

Awesome!

[@bobby9364]

Seems a lot like Avorion!

[@sahhull]

Ive had this game on my list for a while.

[@SirStefanGaming]

What do you like the most about it?

[@WarpedSpace]

Have you heard about WarpedSpace?

[@SirStefanGaming]

I can't say that I have at this point.

[@snake7075]

interesting that no one is bringing up starmade, very similar gameplay it looks like.

[@SirStefanGaming]

Perhaps because it's an older release, I dunno. I see a lot of people sharing memories or comparison to more recent games.

[@cryptosalmon]

Honestly other than graphics and thr aliens I think space engineers have this game beat

[@KryyssTV]

The fact that anyone is surprized that a polished and high visual fidelity game didn't require more than two gamedevs demonstrates something of a problem caused by people buying into the AAA gaming propaganda. The common association between low quality products and the indie game community is a mindset that only benefits corporations seeking to secure themselves dominance within the industry by writing a false narrative that great games require millions of dollars and a workforce of hundreds - this is a malicious lie and consumers need to start recognising that.

[@WhyplayGaming]

I hope you can have coop galaxy s so you can build a Mining Empire with Friends and family. A bit like Minecraft severs

[@SirStefanGaming]

No details on the possibilities yet BUT co-op is on the roadmap!

[@cyrlangaming]

"Partnering with Paradox Interactive" I think this is the worst idea ever, Paradox was one of the best publisher and developer creating great games such as Crusader Kings and Europa Universalis, however, they are now changed from being a good publisher, they are now greedy publisher. Most of their latest games are money grabber, putting more DLC that should be an original feature of a game, and most of their game reviews are now in mixed and proably negative reviews because of this.

[@SirStefanGaming]

We'll see, Arc is a different branch and they have a different strategy so time will tell when this game hits early access release.

[@zutchse7709]

@@SirStefanGamingit would become similar to other paradox games, full of dlc that barely even give anything to the game and charge the players 30$ for it

[@UmaROMC]

"The concept of mining in space has been around for decades, think of no man's sky" How to tell someone you've never even heard of escape velocity without doing so ;)

[@SirStefanGaming]

Haha I didn't think that one sentence would be garnering so much attention. I'm sure some people would have wanted me to pick a different example. I do hope the point got across in that this game has it's own unique approach to the concept of space mining, in a more elaborate way then what people might have experienced in other games.

[@samvargas1651]

This game is tottally my thing

[@godsbadkarma]

I can't wait for this

[@Polypoly06]

I feel like people into this should have more intense experience with Eve Online. You can start a mining corp surrounded by player-driven danger and economics.

[@SirStefanGaming]

I guess it depends on what specifically appeals to people, as with all games. Sure, there will be some similarities with EVE, people will recognize some overlap but in the end Starminer will be a game on its own. I agree that if people seek a more MMO-like experience then EVE would be more suited for them. Other than that, it looks like Starminer will provide a more single- and (smaller scale) multiplayer experience with focus on mining and building ships in a way that really differs in both gameplay loop and design goals than other games.

[@Polypoly06]

@@SirStefanGaming Well, I guess you're right. Sometimes dealing with people is more stress than fun in games. I for one, my love and hate for Dota stems for that reason. It's a fun game but other people can make it an unfun experience lol. Eve is definitely more in the hardcore end. Starminer is probably better for the "I just want to chill and relax"

[@asingularhuman]

A game that let's you basically play as belter.

[@SirStefanGaming]

Beltalowda!

[@antonstezhkin5991]

Is it more about economy or it's cosmoteer in 3D?

[@SirStefanGaming]

It's a really different type of game than say Cosmoteer. I wouldn't say it about economy but more about supply chain and setting up processes to optimize your expansion.

[@PhaliSVK]

waiting for this game . . .

[@bulletstop100]

On my wish list!

[@danielketteringham9566]

Looks great

[@TroaBarton]

Looks good, sounds good, but these types of games usually fumble the end game and the point. What is the point of making this mining empire? To make the number go up? Can we carve out our own sector and nation build? Will there be faction interactions from that? Will there be anything different in a new play through besides resource randomization? What about multiplayer? Competition or cooperation between friends? Trade networks? Usually all of these games are number goes up games. And that’s fine and all but it would really be nice to read a novel rather than a comic book..

[@SirStefanGaming]

All good points. Early Access should hit Q3-Q4 so we're going to find out then what the answers are to these questions :) I'll definitely be making more content for Starminer including a hands-on gameplay review so I'll do my best to incorporate your points.

[@lilsdon]

A little like EVE Online with out the gankers in Jita, interesting :)

[@SirStefanGaming]

Well...there is the option for combat (PvE) with aliens trying to destroy you when your operation start outputting more and more energy usage. Not exactly gankers but when you have that option on then it won't be a cakewalk either :)

[@Somerled_Pox]

If there's carriers or anything related to fighters and bays for combat I'm sold

[@SirStefanGaming]

Hey hold on now....it's not trying to be Homeworld 4.0! But no seriously there has been no mention of fighters, bays or carriers.

[@IngoGarza]

So its just Avorion but in UE5?

[@nicksmans7109]

After spending 2500 hours on space engineers and hundreds of hours on cities skylines I am very interested in what becomes of this game from Paradox. Only question is will it stay interesting if it's not multi-player

[@SirStefanGaming]

The devs have mentioned that coop and competitive multiplayer will also be coming to the game!

[@atnonis]

How big is the universe?

[@SirStefanGaming]

That's something I haven't seen any info about, but I will put that info in new Starminer video

[@atnonis]

@@SirStefanGaming Thank you!

[@achong007]

At least you can turn off enemys so you can build and design the perfect ship. My plan is to build something close to an orca with tons of guns and bigger more powerful engines. Eve orca sucks.

[@SirStefanGaming]

Would love to see a screenshot once you've built it!

[@GenFalcon]

When it is flushed out to allow fleets and automation the Germans will come in floods and they will show us how optimized and huge it can get.

[@baflabies]

Am sold!

[@derekdrake8706]

So..X4? but different? X4 has controller support, does Spaceminers?

[@SirStefanGaming]

What's Spaceminers?

[@ElladanKenet]

I love mining and production games, but I hate having to deal with PvP. EVE was a struggle for me, because I just mentally can't handle the idea of gankers. I just wanna sit in an asteroid field for hours and chew rocks man!

[@SirStefanGaming]

Then Starminer seems to be a more suited choice for you :)

[@jtvice1862]

Looks neat

[@tradingacademics]

Looks like a pretty version of Avorion.

[@wyattlewis7137]

man I love miners

[@FigitTheDigit]

Reminds me of Limit Theory...

[@SirStefanGaming]

That goes waaay back!

[@rand0mon3-m3k]

You should look Avorion, pretty game tho.

[@SirStefanGaming]

Thanks for the referral! I know of Avorion; haven't played it but also looks like a title to sink a lot of (nightly) hours in :)

[@N4MELEZ]

mining lasers are "realistic"? 😅 I doubt that but pls tell me Im wrong 😃

[@SirStefanGaming]

If that's your approach then you might as well stop playing video games all together 😅😁

[@Anvilshock]

Wow, Unreal _and_ -Parasite- Paradox Interactive! How much more spyware and analytics and online tethering and privacy erosion do you want? Next thing you tell me Tencent and Denuvo are in the basket too?

[@Anharie]

damn, i really wanted this to be an idle clicker game. where arethe high fidelity cutting edge graphic idlers? ah well maybe when ai gets better.

[@SirStefanGaming]

I think there's a couple of good mobile games around if you're looking for an idle clicker.

[@afluffywhitekitty8589]

Don't suppose this will ever come to consoles? 😢

[@SirStefanGaming]

I haven't seen any information on that yet no. But never say never :)

[@Schuljakov]

Mining process just like in Elite

[@SirStefanGaming]

I wouldn't say "just like"...

[@Chalto]

Very like then

[@slakjawnotsayin5451]

I hope it has Coop, so I can play it. Looks cool so far! I just can't play games alone for long, as games are more of a social thing to do IMO... Edited: I just checked, and it's single player unfortunately, so I'm definitely out. Edited again: I was just informed that it will have multiplayer/coop gameplay modes, so that is AWESOME!!!

[@SirStefanGaming]

Not so fast. This is straight from the devs, after someone asking on the game's Discord if multiplayer is going to be a thing: "yes - coop is and multiplayer is high on our priority list, it won't be available when the game releases, but the plan is to get it in with one of the first updates"

[@slakjawnotsayin5451]

@@SirStefanGaming Oh ok, good to know, and thank you for letting me know. I would definitely be into this game if it was coop!

[@SirStefanGaming]

@@slakjawnotsayin5451 I'll make sure to include game modes in my hands-on gameplay video once the game becomes available.

[@slakjawnotsayin5451]

@@SirStefanGaming Awesome, thanks man!

[@roberts.1050]

Is there ANY chance this can be multiplayer.... I dont mean mmo or 8 people I mean like 2 people like a co-op......

[@SirStefanGaming]

The devs have mentioned that coop and competitive multiplayer will also be coming to the game!

[@roberts.1050]

​@@SirStefanGamingif it gets coop i will buy it for myself and friends

[@SirStefanGaming]

@@roberts.1050 I'll post it on the channel as soon as I see an update about it!

[@falkenherz1708]

In the meanwhile, play Rings of Saturn as a 2d version.

[@SirStefanGaming]

Good mention!

[@eddyrc7]

so this game is like Eve tried to make mining fun.

[@SirStefanGaming]

Roughly...yes.

[@ozean4392]

Waiting....

[@SirStefanGaming]

Ah yes, one of the top 5 most practiced activities in life! :)

[@Todestelzer]

Another EA game. Placed it on my wishlist but I will wait till it gets released.

[@pfp4ever]

0:40 realistic asteriods are not standing still xD if it was realistic they would travel extremly fast

[@SirStefanGaming]

You're right but it needs to be a playable game :P I think people would throw up all over their keyboards from nausea when everything on your screen is designed to look like its traveling at a few dozen kilometers per second :D

[@norsia1946]

I will watch this game, but any potential for hype I had vanished when Paradox was mentioned. that company is a magnet for mediocrity.

[@graphiccontent24]

Why aren't there gold, silver, and other resources than just 6?

[@SirStefanGaming]

Likely because gold and silver aren't amongst elements known to be present on the moon; the ones that are present in the game are.

[@Lukethanuke]

my only critic is that the game isant out yet.

[@SirStefanGaming]

Lol 😂

[@rezzaprasetyosetiawan4431]

the logo looks like starbound

[@SirStefanGaming]

Yes I noticed that too, probably still enough difference to not trigger anything. Im sure they had it on their radar.

[@HowDidThisHappenNow]

Space Engineer

[@petrm2234]

it is a paradox interactive, so

[@gwenmcgarry528]

Working with paradox ain't a good sign, but the game looks really cool aside from that

[@SirStefanGaming]

Out of curiosity: what makes you say working with Paradox isn't a good sign?

[@gwenmcgarry528]

@@SirStefanGaming I've played paradox games in the past. Usually copious amounts of DLC, and with city skylines 2 collapsing the name leaves a bad taste in my mouth (even if that was under another studio, usually the publisher has something to do with it). I just don't trust the company not to make anti consumer choices

[@SirStefanGaming]

It stands to reason that Paradox Arc will follow a similar marketing & sales strategy as it's mother company Paradox Interactive; meaning any new content coming out in the future being monetized DLC. But that shouldn't impact the initial quality of the game at launch and I guess it will come down to how much content the DLC will contain and the pricing.

[@machintrucGaming]

@@SirStefanGaming Paradox doesn't have a good track record for 2024. Lamp Lighters league, cities skylines II, prison architect 2 drama...

[@SirStefanGaming]

As I understand from what I've read at the time, the problem with Cities Skylines II being a performance monster was the cause of development and not publishing. I can't comment on Lamp Lighters League since I'm not informed on that one but overall I'd say that it makes sense that the name Paradox raises eyebrows, if only because you are worried that Paradox being involved means weird pricing or Cool and Good Games suddenly having to look for another publisher because they had a commercial disagreement similar to the situation with Prison Architect 2. But let's assume that a good agreement was reached between C&G Games and Paradox Arc and all they have to do now is focus on making a good game, collect tons of feedback with early access and work towards an official release. Then hopefully all we as players have to worry about is how "complete" the base game is, what will be added through DLC and if those receive a fair pricing.

[@rafaelara123]

how can i play it or sign up for beta

[@SirStefanGaming]

It's still in development with no further info on a beta unfortunately. Will update when a date/details is released!

[@rafaelara123]

I want to play it now! 😆

[@SirStefanGaming]

That on its own is a good sign haha

[@XxlildramaxX]

This looks like it will consume me

[@SirStefanGaming]

There goes your sleep cycle :P

[@greenfoxgrasstail2534]

August already. *where ya at blues brothers meme*

[@SirStefanGaming]

August....Blues Brothers: what?

[@SirStefanGaming]

Seriously, I'm curious what you mean by your comment :D What do you mean by "blues brother's meme" in this context?

[@greenfoxgrasstail2534]

@@SirStefanGaming Aims for early acess realese mid 2024? Its august ^^. And sadly i mixed up blues brothers and pulp fiction again. The confused travolta is it xD.

[@SirStefanGaming]

Gotcha! Yeah they have been delaying any information about a hard early access release date for quite some time. I get it, the game never seems finished and polished enough and you can work on it for 10 years and still more stuff could be added but on the other hand; you are going to have to release it at some point. But you see this with so many smaller game releases where the date keeps being pushed forward. So not having a date at all at least prevents constant disappointment.

[@Kurock1000]

Looked neat, to bad they partnered with “ea did nothing wrong with the battlefront loot box, it was just marketed poorly” publisher.

[@SirStefanGaming]

What's your main concern for the game then? What effect do you think having Paradox Arc as a publisher will have?

[@Kurock1000]

In a world where there are more games than lifetime to play them in. Why support evil? Beyond that, paradox has one of six or seven recent launches not result in a mediocre game or worse. That’s the major titles not indie ones out of arc. The concern with it is like most things pdx has a hand in post 2017 cfo ceo shake up it will be crap. The old ceo is back and I admit has been trying to fix things up over the past few years, but imo the damage to the brand image is to much. Pdx had issues before 2017 with sword of the stars 2, mercon strongly hinted that the cluster fell largely on pxd. NDA prevented him from laying it all out there, same way colossal order can’t. I stopped buying EU4 dlcs back at Dharma, thousands of hours into that, not to mention ck2, stellaris, I was in the fanboy camp. Not any more. Pdx isn’t the only one I avoid, I played anno 1404 and that series religiously, I stopped buying Ubisoft back when 2205 came out. There are other indie options that didn’t go evil in that market space, I miss anno. Why support evil when there are other choices.